Post: #51

Old thread perhaps, but as I'm french and was in the states for a year, I can give you my view of differences. Of course I'll use generalization, bit it's good to give you an idea.

About french guys
I almost choke of laughter when I read that they are "macho" and know "know how to play the ying and the yang with women". Nope. Guys are really getting more feminine : attitude and physically. To give you a representative example :
(french "PUA guru" from Paris. What a joke. Alpha you said?)
They usually don't workout a lot, and hit on a shit ton of women, without knowing how to do, resulting in harassment & worse of all the feeling by french girls that they always have plenty of choice even if they're fat/ugly and don't need to do a thing.
Of course there are some players/natural, but very few. The only thing I agree is that their fashion is way more on point that american.

French girls at home vs in vacation
As always, girls are more open in vacation compared to at home. I'm not sure (as I flee france for vacation. Eastern Europe hello!!) but heard a lot of stuff saying that they are even easy on vacation. At home, they are are very hard to game, they shit test you like crazy and usually let you do all the work.

Our view on america/american
Casual, always in excess, not sophisticated. Sorry if I break your bubble but you won't win any "exotic" point. And yes, a lot of french don't speak proper english or don't want to.

Physically
The average french is brunette (I like blondes :/ ....) not tall or short, almost thin but boobs are way smaller than american girls.
(expect usually a more average face and slightly less thin body)

The fashion nowadays is the "garçonne" which means something a bit masculine : short hair (stop at the shoulder typically), not a lot of cleavage, shirts & jeans, dresses are avoided a bit due to street harassment problems but more common in summer.

Attitude
They feel really superior (entitled), especially in Paris and I hate that. But isn't it understandable considering lots of guys hit on her every single day? They are a bit more reserved and less "all other the place" like americans are, shit test you a lot, especially at the beginning. However if you do have a relationship with them, I agree that they take it seriously overall.
I would say in a nutshell that french girls have extremly tight game (american girls are a joke compared) and a flirty vibe but looks and feminity are very average, which surely makes them overrated. You'll get hooked on a false feeling of flirt and out of nowhere, she will leave and you will wonder what happened.

Yes, they are a bit more traditional. Notice I said "a bit" : it's uncomparable with eastern european and it's hard if you want a future stay-at-home wife, but they can cook (although less and less as the years progress)

They have more conversation than americans (who I find usually really empty) but not so much. Remember, they have plenty of choice and are reminded of that fact every day, so why bother to work too much on their personnality?

Final words
If you have never been with a french, you should taste it once. But bring your A Game and expect lots of failures.
If you want a serious relationship with one, it's not the best, but okay.
If you think french girls are so sexy and very different and are among the most sexy girls, think again: overrated!

Post: #52

This is about the impression I had when I visited Paris.

Post: #53

(07-30-2016 06:21 AM)James Bond Next level Wrote:  Old thread perhaps, but as I'm french and was in the states for a year, I can give you my view of differences. Of course I'll use generalization, bit it's good to give you an idea.

About french guys
I almost choke of laughter when I read that they are "macho" and know "know how to play the ying and the yang with women". Nope. Guys are really getting more feminine : attitude and physically. To give you a representative example :
(french "PUA guru" from Paris. What a joke. Alpha you said?)
They usually don't workout a lot, and hit on a shit ton of women, without knowing how to do, resulting in harassment & worse of all the feeling by french girls that they always have plenty of choice even if they're fat/ugly and don't need to do a thing.
Of course there are some players/natural, but very few. The only thing I agree is that their fashion is way more on point that american.

French girls at home vs in vacation
As always, girls are more open in vacation compared to at home. I'm not sure (as I flee france for vacation. Eastern Europe hello!!) but heard a lot of stuff saying that they are even easy on vacation. At home, they are are very hard to game, they shit test you like crazy and usually let you do all the work.

Our view on america/american
Casual, always in excess, not sophisticated. Sorry if I break your bubble but you won't win any "exotic" point. And yes, a lot of french don't speak proper english or don't want to.

Physically
The average french is brunette (I like blondes :/ ....) not tall or short, almost thin but boobs are way smaller than american girls.
(expect usually a more average face and slightly less thin body)

The fashion nowadays is the "garçonne" which means something a bit masculine : short hair (stop at the shoulder typically), not a lot of cleavage, shirts & jeans, dresses are avoided a bit due to street harassment problems but more common in summer.

Attitude
They feel really superior (entitled), especially in Paris and I hate that. But isn't it understandable considering lots of guys hit on her every single day? They are a bit more reserved and less "all other the place" like americans are, shit test you a lot, especially at the beginning. However if you do have a relationship with them, I agree that they take it seriously overall.
I would say in a nutshell that french girls have extremly tight game (american girls are a joke compared) and a flirty vibe but looks and feminity are very average, which surely makes them overrated. You'll get hooked on a false feeling of flirt and out of nowhere, she will leave and you will wonder what happened.

Yes, they are a bit more traditional. Notice I said "a bit" : it's uncomparable with eastern european and it's hard if you want a future stay-at-home wife, but they can cook (although less and less as the years progress)

They have more conversation than americans (who I find usually really empty) but not so much. Remember, they have plenty of choice and are reminded of that fact every day, so why bother to work too much on their personnality?

Final words
If you have never been with a french, you should taste it once. But bring your A Game and expect lots of failures.
If you want a serious relationship with one, it's not the best, but okay.
If you think french girls are so sexy and very different and are among the most sexy girls, think again: overrated!

Damn Bro.


That was pretty much perfect, captured my feelings exactly. I've gamed with a few French guys (younger generation) and I was completely disappointed in their game given all the hype france has traditionally for seduction, hollywood movies etc. Obviously I am generalizing but the dudes were on the shorter side and not much of an alpha vibe. Im guessing a lot of dudes game is to just have good logistics and dress well in Paris and take advantage of the great ratio and tourist girls there similar to New York.

As far as French speaking girls (French Belgians included) I find them far more frustrating than any other nationality, even more difficult to deal with than Argentinas for example.They go from hot to cold in an instant, are expert cock teases, entitled and have a fake critical "Im too cool for this" cunty attitude about everything. Girls arent ugly but usually have very plain faces and small tits. The best thing they have going for them is they arent fat, I cant think of anything else. They also tend to be smokers. I've had a few French girls as single night lays and the sex was disappointing compared with all the hype about French girls.

So many other nationalties are just more fun and give you less shit. I will take a 7 Argentinian, Norwegian, Finn, Romanian, Thai, Spanish, Dutch, Dominican, Canadian, German, Brit and even an American over a French 8 anyday.

Post: #54

Best relationships I ever had in my life were with 2 French women but this was like 10 years ago.
I see people are fucking unhappy with them nowadays.

Post: #55

Always found french girls that ive met outside of france extremely pleasant and easy to get along with.

I am fluent in french though.

When i go to france i dislike the general mannerisms but still find the girls very approachable. Perhaps its the language barrier

Post: #56

Paris girls are overrated but I really liked the girls from Lyon/Grenoble/Bretagne...as a french speaker from Quebec I always have fun dealing with them because it's very different than in Montreal..but in general I find french girls more honest and can be fun to game because of my status

Parisians are a bit different..but there game is at another level. If you get laid there it will be because of luck and staying more than 2-3 days to catch the vibe of the city. But it's the highest concentration of girls in Europe..anybody should expect at least one french girl per month out of luck (not discussing the quality).

Post: #57

Overrated is the right word to describe them. They are alright, but you wouldn't feel pressed to return the country just for the women.

Post: #58

(07-30-2016 06:21 AM)James Bond Next level Wrote:  Old thread perhaps, but as I'm french and was in the states for a year, I can give you my view of differences. Of course I'll use generalization, bit it's good to give you an idea.

About french guys
I almost choke of laughter when I read that they are "macho" and know "know how to play the ying and the yang with women". Nope. Guys are really getting more feminine : attitude and physically. To give you a representative example :

They usually don't workout a lot, and hit on a shit ton of women, without knowing how to do, resulting in harassment & worse of all the feeling by french girls that they always have plenty of choice even if they're fat/ugly and don't need to do a thing.
Of course there are some players/natural, but very few. The only thing I agree is that their fashion is way more on point that american.

French girls at home vs in vacation
As always, girls are more open in vacation compared to at home. I'm not sure (as I flee france for vacation. Eastern Europe hello!!) but heard a lot of stuff saying that they are even easy on vacation. At home, they are are very hard to game, they shit test you like crazy and usually let you do all the work.

Our view on america/american
Casual, always in excess, not sophisticated. Sorry if I break your bubble but you won't win any "exotic" point. And yes, a lot of french don't speak proper english or don't want to.

Physically
The average french is brunette (I like blondes :/ ....) not tall or short, almost thin but boobs are way smaller than american girls.
(expect usually a more average face and slightly less thin body)

The fashion nowadays is the "garçonne" which means something a bit masculine : short hair (stop at the shoulder typically), not a lot of cleavage, shirts & jeans, dresses are avoided a bit due to street harassment problems but more common in summer.

Attitude
They feel really superior (entitled), especially in Paris and I hate that. But isn't it understandable considering lots of guys hit on her every single day? They are a bit more reserved and less "all other the place" like americans are, shit test you a lot, especially at the beginning. However if you do have a relationship with them, I agree that they take it seriously overall.
I would say in a nutshell that french girls have extremly tight game (american girls are a joke compared) and a flirty vibe but looks and feminity are very average, which surely makes them overrated. You'll get hooked on a false feeling of flirt and out of nowhere, she will leave and you will wonder what happened.

Yes, they are a bit more traditional. Notice I said "a bit" : it's uncomparable with eastern european and it's hard if you want a future stay-at-home wife, but they can cook (although less and less as the years progress)

They have more conversation than americans (who I find usually really empty) but not so much. Remember, they have plenty of choice and are reminded of that fact every day, so why bother to work too much on their personnality?

Final words
If you have never been with a french, you should taste it once. But bring your A Game and expect lots of failures.
If you want a serious relationship with one, it's not the best, but okay.
If you think french girls are so sexy and very different and are among the most sexy girls, think again: overrated!

Ive spent less time in France than JBNL but spot fucking on man. French men are effeminete and have good social skills but generally have pretty weak game. I think french men's values are inflated because American women tend to cream themselves over the fact that French men have the best sense of fashion in the world (even though theyre all metrosexual). About a year and a half ago (around the time I started to acquire some game/social skills) I went to a small french town on an exchange with my high school. I noticed the American girls who came all adored the pussy-looking men with good senses of fashion but "pretty" faces. I talked to some of the french guys who the American girls loved, they all could joke around with other guys and even the ones who seemed shy had good skills for easy, light conversation. However they didnt really change their "social calibration" for lack o a better term, when girls came around. In other words, they all worked towards freindship style relations with all of the girls rather than trying to get in their pants like their american counterparts. They could hold good convos with both French and American girls but in the end they were pussies, they were super self conscious about their hair, the tiny stain on their designer sweater, or the fact that their jeans were slightly too long. I was incredibly socially awkward then but even with minimal social skills and neomasculine behavior I was able to lead them and get them to seek my approval by very light teasing about their appearance. For example, in a group amongst the frenchies, I would get all of them to pile on when one of them would do something like fix their hair or see how they look on the camera in their phone. French guys, what I noticed when they make a move: -They know that specific girl for at least months and spent all that time befriending her -They suddenly get very touchy with the girl -They say some pussy shit about how pretty she is and all that bs -If the girl likes him she reciprocates the touching and all. Obviously its a different case when alcohol is involved, but in short, yeah french guys have less game than we think. On the other hand, Spanish guys have effeminite style but many of them have crazy game, but thats for another thread.

Edit: sorry for the text wall guys

Post: #59

Not my experience there...i've met some pretty alpha guys in Lille and Grenoble. Lille has the tallest guys in France and some are pretty big...beards are popular there.

Grenoble and the alps have a lot of sporty guys that are ripped and they get girls because of their athletic status.

Parisians are pretty socially calibrated and have a lot of success with tourists..but french girls overgame them a lot..Quebec girls don't like the so calked french game...the north africans and black french guys that don't look ghetto and are well calibrated are pretty big and approach a lot..i wouldnt call them pussies

Post: #60

^^^My experience is with French guys from smaller cities around paris. No doubt in my mind there are masculine guys from various regions in france with game

Post: #61

I have found French girls in Italy easy , not very different from the polish ones and they didn't have anything special in their looks, they were not, let's say ugly, but nothing special at the same time.

My cousin who has worked in France ans stayed in Lyon and Marseilles, used to bang a lot of french girls and also liked their attitude ( white french girls , not african or north african).

The ones in Paris are different or might be different, but let's not forget that Paris is very large and mixed and you can find everything there.

Post: #62

I thought French girls were impressive in the south of France I was impressed by them, on par with EE girls. Surprised that it hasn't been mentioned much on this forum.

Post: #63

(07-31-2016 12:26 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  I thought French girls were impressive in the south of France I was impressed by them, on par with EE girls. Surprised that it hasn't been mentioned much on this forum.

The first day my wing and I were in Helsinki (both french), we looked at each other and said we'll get so depressed back home with the kind of quality of women we have. Some time has passed and it is still true. I don't know too much about EE girls, but they seem at least as sexy as finns so I would say it's not mentionned because few share your views perhaps.

To be fair, I've got the "grass is always greener elsewhere" effect maybe since I'm a native, but looking at the comment, not so much it seems.

I agree lots of girls smoke here, but more in Paris than the rest. If you do come in France, either:
-go to Paris if you like visiting (this at least is true : so much to do), but I would advise to do it when you're in a relationship, it's such a city for couple in vacations
-look for smaller cities : Montpellier, Lyon (not sure though), Strasbourg, Bordeaux for examples

Post: #64

(07-31-2016 02:17 PM)James Bond Next level Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 12:26 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  I thought French girls were impressive in the south of France I was impressed by them, on par with EE girls. Surprised that it hasn't been mentioned much on this forum.

The first day my wing and I were in Helsinki (both french), we looked at each other and said we'll get so depressed back home with the kind of quality of women we have. Some time has passed and it is still true. I don't know too much about EE girls, but they seem at least as sexy as finns so I would say it's not mentionned because few share your views perhaps.

To be fair, I've got the "grass is always greener elsewhere" effect maybe since I'm a native, but looking at the comment, not so much it seems.

I agree lots of girls smoke here, but more in Paris than the rest. If you do come in France, either:
-go to Paris if you like visiting (this at least is true : so much to do), but I would advise to do it when you're in a relationship, it's such a city for couple in vacations
-look for smaller cities : Montpellier, Lyon (not sure though), Strasbourg, Bordeaux for examples

I think you misunderstood him, or maybe I did.

He said that southern french girls look actually good.

Some french women might be ugly, and smoking or drinking might be wide spread, but the average french woman is way above the average Fin female.

Finnish females have big jaws and not attractive faces IMO, plus they suffer from obesity , at least compared to french girls.

Post: #65

(07-31-2016 11:10 AM)Cortés Wrote:  About a year and a half ago (around the time I started to acquire some game/social skills) I went to a small french town on an exchange with my high school. I noticed the American girls who came all adored the pussy-looking men with good denses of fashion but "pretty" faces. I talked to some of the french guys who...

So basically you describe french men based on your experience during an exchange in high school...ok.

Post: #66

I agree with most of these things about French guys with weak game. Most of the so called master PUA who do bootcamps don't even show proper results in their videos and their products is very commercialized . More than that, there are many who are into RSD type of game. Tons of agressive approaches with very little calibration. I was gaming in Lyon with 3 guys. They said they have been in the game for 4 -6 years. But me as a beginner did better then them(not being arrogant or what). And feminism is hitting hard in France. Gone are the days of Jacques Chiraque and Francois Mitterand. Guys are acting more and more like girls. And most french girls rather date weak guys who will just shake his head to anything she says. But I also know some very feminine girls who can be very sweet. Just have to do lots of filtering.

I can't say much about Parisian girls as I never gamed or lived there. I live in Grenoble. Its a big student city with students from all over the world. They are very approachable. Lyon is good too. But the local people who were born and raised in these cities can be hard to crack(the same everywhere I guess).

I did some gaming in Toulouse just during the beginning of the shopping sale. Here, the girls are quite receptive. There are also lots of Spanish girl as Toulouse is near to Spain. A big city with a population of nearly 1 million with lots of friendly approachble girl,nice vibe and lots of things to do. For me this will be the best French city to live in.

And for the type of game. I tested with Rooshv indirect game. I failed miserably. I now practice Krauser's London Daygame Model. This works as the model gives emphasis on creating a fun vibe at the begining which I find works good with French girls. And try not to tease them to much. Some of them can have awkward sense of humor and think that you are arrogant. Nevertheless, as said by James Bond be prepared to be shit tested at a level you never seen before. Even the ones who are interested in you will test you like hell.

Post: #67

I just hate their accent. I approached a cute french girl with a big round ass but as soon as she opened her mouth i was turned off.

Post: #68

I found that the vibe on the streets of Toulouse is much better than the one in Lyon. Maybe because I was there in the summer rather than in the spring in lyon. I found Toulouse with a more modern and lively vibe. Whereas Lyon was more like the classic French town.

Post: #69

(08-15-2016 07:11 AM)Guayacan Wrote:  I just hate their accent. I approached a cute french girl with a big round ass but as soon as she opened her mouth i was turned off.

Which country are you from ? ...French accent is the most appreciated in the world. Just say "bonjour" (with a french accent) to any girl in the world and see her legs slightly open in an uncontrolled response.

Post: #70

(08-15-2016 07:14 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 07:11 AM)Guayacan Wrote:  I just hate their accent. I approached a cute french girl with a big round ass but as soon as she opened her mouth i was turned off.

Which country are you from ? ...French accent is the most appreciated in the world.

I agree, French accent is definitely, and maybe on par with Italian accent, one of the most appreciated accents, by all women, around the world.

If Guayacan is not turned on by a young and cute, round-arsed French chick, then something's wrong with him, not with the accent or the girl... You dislike sophistication and old-Europe charm, Guayacan? I mean... Why would one dislike fucking a sophisticated (even smug) young French woman?

Post: #71

(08-15-2016 07:14 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 07:11 AM)Guayacan Wrote:  I just hate their accent. I approached a cute french girl with a big round ass but as soon as she opened her mouth i was turned off.

Which country are you from ? ...French accent is the most appreciated in the world. Just say "bonjour" (with a french accent) to any girl in the world and see her legs slightly open in an uncontrolled response.

I don't care if it's the most appreciated in the world (although i don't think it's true, people tend to either love it or hate it). I was speaking Spanish to her and it sounded fucking ugly.

Post: #72

(08-15-2016 07:25 AM)Guayacan Wrote:  I was speaking Spanish to her

Post: #73

(08-15-2016 07:22 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 07:14 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 07:11 AM)Guayacan Wrote:  I just hate their accent. I approached a cute french girl with a big round ass but as soon as she opened her mouth i was turned off.

Which country are you from ? ...French accent is the most appreciated in the world.

I agree, French accent is definitely, and maybe on par with Italian accent, one of the most appreciated accents, by all women, around the world.

If Guayacan is not turned on by a young and cute, round-arsed French chick, then something's wrong with him, not with the accent or the girl... You dislike sophistication and old-Europe charm, Guayacan? I mean... Why would one dislike fucking a sophisticated (even smug) young French woman?

LOL

Well she was not that hot beside hes ass and average cute face. Maybe a 6 at most and there were other girls there without an accent .

It's not that i dislike the french language. I actually like the french they speak in belgium. I just don't like the way french girls speak spanish.

Post: #74

(08-15-2016 07:29 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 07:25 AM)Guayacan Wrote:  I was speaking Spanish to her

?

Post: #75

(08-15-2016 07:34 AM)Guayacan Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 07:29 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 07:25 AM)Guayacan Wrote:  I was speaking Spanish to her

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