My take is that Europe shall look like Israel - only without the ethnic profiling that is used there, because it's racist here.

http://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/ar...ow_twitter

The Jihadis are now making it easier for anti-immigration parties - Hofer will likely win in Austria, AFD in Germany might surprise everyone and may reach 30% this time and 60% after a few more years of suicide bombers and rapes.

This trend cannot be stopped frankly.

Also for all those people claiming that the German or French people consist of limp-dicked SJWs, then I might point out that at least 50% of German and French men would probably instantly follow a call to arms by the government. They would have little qualms against marching into the no-go zones and rounding up everyone, then destroying the mosques. The anger is rising, but with everything that Europeans do - it rises in a rather controlled manner. The elite, media and politicians are cucking for them non-stop, but the people already don't trust them. You should read the comment sections in the German press - it reads like a Red Pill forum. There is hardly a peep now by the SJWs especially with decapitated priests and pregnant women.

But my prediction is that the elite will just usher in a police state while stamping down on the local population. Meanwhile the numbers of Muslims will increase and sharia will rise, terror attacks will continue and more violence will happen.

That will continue until the DAY X - the new 9-11 2022 or 2033 or 2044. Then a global conflict can be started - probably mixing Russia and China into the party, because the Muslim side is simply too weak and the elite knows it.

And when that conflict settles and billions are dead, then there won't be any Islam left - but also no West either in the current form. Maybe then they will abolish borders since you can implement internal affluence zones - the super rich, the rich, the upper middle etc - each having their own zone admittable only with a co-dependant wealth or social importance metric.

Times will soon become more violent and drastic, but the European people will react to this terror and crime wave.

As for revolutions - European revolutions only happened with massive immense poverty, squalor or injustice. You have to remember that most people in Europe have still a largely safe and prosperous life. The Weimar crisis for example touched almost everyone economically and the communists then were a real danger. Only then could the Nazis reach such broad support.

Either way - frankly I see everything progressing just as the elite wants it to happen. The movie BRAZIL was created by someone who was super-high-up in the MI6 ranks - you should watch it - that is our intermediate future:





The guys above plan decades ahead - the Muslims are just their useful tools - they are not a danger to them - just to us and the people up until the upper middle class or the unaware ones.

(07-26-2016 07:29 PM)Parzival Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 06:41 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  Austrians have never wanted to be part of Germany and feel insulted if you call them German.
Austria Hungary was made up of Austrians, Czechs, Hungarians, Romanians, Serbians and many others that all spoke their own languages. Germany was just made up of people that spoke German and the large polish minority in the east.

Thats not true. Austrians have seen themselves as Germans, like Saxons, Prussians or Bavarians. The Austrian identity as we know today just did start after the second world war. Before there wasn't an Austrian identity. Habsburg did rule over Germany for long time. For the modern Austrian identity you can blame the Allied Forces and of course it was then easy for the people there to say, we had be occupied and are not guilty. This is some kind of their deny identity today. Even that many Nazis in high positions had be from Austrian origin.

Austria proved Parzival's point on March 12th, 1938.

(07-27-2016 04:33 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The anger is rising, but with everything that Europeans do - it rises in a rather controlled manner. The elite, media and politicians are cucking for them non-stop, but the people already don't trust them. You should read the comment sections in the German press - it reads like a Red Pill forum. There is hardly a peep now by the SJWs especially with decapitated priests and pregnant women.

I do read those comments and, where they are actually allowed to be posted (i.e. Krone.at or Welt.de), they are either 90% anti-immigrant/muslim or have been deleted by the moderators.

Regarding the more controlled manner in which the anger is broiling here in Europe: That could actually turn out to be a cultural phenomenon that ME migrants have been completely misinterpreting, and perhaps I'm speaking a bit about myself here. Muslims continue to call the West weak and degenerate (admittedly they are right in doing so), but given their own sphere of experience and personal upbringing they may misinterpret the fact that whites have been holding back thus far as cowardice.

I myself have been belaboring the docile response of Europeans in response to terror attacks or street violence on many occasions. But it's possible that one day soon the flood gates open and suddenly those big mouthed assholes realize that they've made a horrible mistake. Give it a few more of these attacks and there may come the day when European Muslims won't know what just hit them.

I just got banned from a german forum for pointing out that

germany is a lot less safer than it was 10 years ago, because this almost daily

mass attacks done by refugees

(07-27-2016 07:21 AM)redpillage Wrote:  I do read those comments and, where they are actually allowed to be posted (i.e. Krone.at or Welt.de), they are either 90% anti-immigrant/muslim or have been deleted by the moderators.

Regarding the more controlled manner in which the anger is broiling here in Europe: That could actually turn out to be a cultural phenomenon that ME migrants have been completely misinterpreting, and perhaps I'm speaking a bit about myself here. Muslims continue to call the West weak and degenerate (admittedly they are right in doing so), but given their own sphere of experience and personal upbringing they may misinterpret the fact that whites have been holding back thus far as cowardice.

I myself have been belaboring the docile response of Europeans in response to terror attacks or street violence on many occasions. But it's possible that one day soon the flood gates open and suddenly those big mouthed assholes realize that they've made a horrible mistake. Give it a few more of these attacks and there may come the day when European Muslims won't know what just hit them.

Roosh talked about this in his latest Q&A video in which he mentioned that when whites start fighting back it could be pretty brutal.
See minute 19:30 to 20:20 in Roosh's video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv0nCsZJguI

The main difference is that when whites fight back, it happens in a planned, systematic, ordered, cold blooded, relentless way, instead of the chaotic, passionate, disorganized and stupid attacks we see now.

The question is whether or not this will actually happen.

(07-27-2016 04:17 AM)amity Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 04:06 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 01:59 AM)El_Gostro Wrote:  Im curious about the fact that these attacks are happening it seems only in the richer countries of the EU.
Spain also has a considerable Islamic population but i never hear about clashes (that is, since the media forgot they were the first receptacle of moroccan coast sprung emigrants).
Likewise for the Portugal.
I remember Greece and italy were complaining about being the dump from turkey but haven't heard much again

Just wait, won't be long before it starts there too.

It's possible they could get hit too, due to the sheer numbers of Sunnis imported in last year or two, they are most susceptible to being radicalised, not to mention those that are already ISIS who are awaiting their turn to be 'activated' for an attack.
Portugal though, has a relatively small amount of Muslims, compared to most Western European countries (largely because it doesn't provide very generous welfare), this fact means they're unlikely to be hit.
Multiculturalism in general is not a net positive for Europe to put it mildly, but multiculturalism from poor, low IQ, predominantly Muslim countries is even worse, endangers everyone, lowers social trust, etc
A Lose lose situation for Europe.

Spain has already been attacked.
11th March 2004. 191 Killed

In Portugal we don't have much money to give around, so it's not a good destination for rapefugees. I believe we in Portugal have received a "very" small amount of them, of which mostly are families. I'm not sure whether they have forgotten us, or if they still remember us.

I am of the opinion that widespread Catholic symbolism in Spain makes muslims more modest in their religion.

In France, Catholic symbols are only 'behind the front door' and in Germany virtually absent as well. If strong Christian symbolism lacks, islam will take over. In Italy and Spain at least there is strong Catholic symbolism, which created more modest muslims. My $0,02.

“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

A true prophet. It will happen again.

Explosion Reported Near Refugee Center in Zirndorf, Germany - Live Feed

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-27...rf-germany

protip: dont anger the Germans, they act nice until they dont.

(07-27-2016 10:45 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Explosion Reported Near Refugee Center in Zirndorf, Germany - Live Feed

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-27...rf-germany

protip: dont anger the Germans, they act nice until they dont.

Probably Turks bombing Kurds for all we know

Quote:"The shooting is believed to not be terror-related"
"It's believed the shooting came after a fight broke out in the centre."

Mikado you believe the propaganda? It's obviously Muzzies going nuts

(07-27-2016 10:45 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Explosion Reported Near Refugee Center in Zirndorf, Germany - Live Feed

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-27...rf-germany

protip: dont anger the Germans, they act nice until they dont.

Quote:Update: In a surprising twist, local police now saying there were neither injuries, nor an explosion. It is unclear how that reconciles with earlier reports of a loud explosion.

???

(07-27-2016 10:45 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Explosion Reported Near Refugee Center in Zirndorf, Germany - Live Feed

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-27...rf-germany

protip: dont anger the Germans, they act nice until they dont.

"Spray bottles" they say

More welcome gone wrong:

Quote:The case of a 30 year old Serbian, who was found dead in the bathtub of his apartment in Salzburg, has been solved.
Two 19 year old Syrians have been arrested and already confessed to the crime.
The Syrians, one already granted asylum and one seeking asylum, already knew their victim somewhat. Before going to his apartment they bought gloves and rubber tape at a gas station.
In the apartment they overpowered the Serbian, beat and suffocated him, then put him into the bathtub after he was dead. They filled it with water and added all the washing powder, shower gel and shampoo they could find.
Then they looted the apartment. They took all his clothes, shoes, an electric shaver, a hairdryer and at least one mobile phone, all transported in garbage bags they found. Neighbors saw them and reported the incident to the police.

From another article:

Quote:The Syrians planned the robbery and took the death of the victim into account.
They overpowered the man, tied him up and tortured him to get the PIN code of his ATM card.
Then they choked him until he died.
(...)
They took the key to the apartment with them. Two times they tried to withdraw money at an ATM, but the PIN code was wrong or the account empty.
The Syrians knew the victim for a while already. He was working as a cleaner at the main railway station and known to often bring home acquaintances he met there.
That's how he met his murderers too.
Police found the asylum card of one Syrian in the apartment. Investigation showed that he was reported for theft before.
He was finally caught and arrested while trying to enter Germany, wearing the clothes of the victim. The social security card of his accomplice was also found on him.

Two German cops get their asses beat by one black [I think] Muslim at the airport:





WHO trains these people? They are absolutely unprepared for what's hitting them. I bet none of them has ever practiced any H2H combat in their entire life. Depressing... Imagine the same scene happening at the Moscow airport. Fucker would have been stomped into submission and most likely other Russian travelers would have jumped into the fray.

French will no longer show images of terror attackers due to ‘glorification’ fears:

   

Censorship being taken to the next level in order prevent a revolt.

Of course, news is impossible to censor adequately today, and when news is leaked that the government hides the crimes of Muslims by the thousands, the backlash becomes that much greater.

Yeah, God forbid that someone notices the swarthy skin tone of the attackers!

Can't wait for the police reports of the next attackers.

"Police are looking for a man who is 5'9''. If you think you know any details of the whereabouts of the attacker, please call xx-xx-xxx"

HELPFUL AND DETAILED

I'm sure this won't piss off the French nationalists. It's at the point where if you commit a crime, no one is allowed to help the police or be aware of criminals in your midst.

This is like putting a lid on a boiling point. Extremely dangerous. I think we could honestly see a second French Revolution once it becomes apparent to French nationalists that democratic options are off the table. With lots of leaders losing their heads.

(07-27-2016 01:24 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I'm sure this won't piss off the French nationalists. It's at the point where if you commit a crime, no one is allowed to help the police or be aware of criminals in your midst.

This is like putting a lid on a boiling point. Extremely dangerous. I think we could honestly see a second French Revolution once it becomes apparent to French nationalists that democratic options are off the table. With lots of leaders losing their heads.

The French have a very long tradition of protesting against (and often overthrowing) their rulers in the streets in larges masses, so it's definitely 100 times more likely than in Germany.....although nowadays the French are normally are protesting for shorter working hours and higher wages.

They also have a long history of revolutions.
Consider the fact that they are now on their FIFTH republic. They have been 5 different versions of France since 1792.

The migrant crisis and these attacks will truly determine whether men across western Europe can come back from the brink of extreme brainwashing, feminism, cucking and betaness.
Very soon, it won't be a matter anymore of taking the red pill and becoming alpha to be able to date and fuck girls.
If the attacks continue, becoming alpha or staying beta, will become a matter of life and death.


European men, from now on, you either become alpha or you will be eliminated by the invaders.



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Quote:Either way - frankly I see everything progressing just as the elite wants it to happen. The movie BRAZIL was created by someone who was super-high-up in the MI6 ranks - you should watch it - that is our intermediate future:

Do you have a link for this?

(07-27-2016 02:07 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  The French have a very long tradition of protesting against (and often overthrowing) their rulers in the streets in larges masses, so it's definitely 100 times more likely than in Germany.....although nowadays the French are normally are protesting for shorter working hours and higher wages.

They also have a long history of revolutions.
Consider the fact that they are now on their FIFTH republic. They have been 5 different versions of France since 1792.

Still, this selective memory bullshit that, after having been completely talked out, should probably be seen as trolling the thread. Your conclusions are ahistorical. Why not let it drop and agree to disagree instead of tempting another argument? Why are you still trolling the thread with this ridiculous nonsense? What if someone began, out of nowhere, including in every post an assertion of Germany's racial, social, and military dominance while ignoring every argument to the contrary, and then just kept posting about it? Learn to be self-aware.

This is loosely related to this thread: A Welt article which describes in much detail how the cost of real estate in German cities (purchase or rent) is basically out of control.

Can someone explain to me why a country with one of the most restrictive building regulations on the planet and practically no available housing even for middle class earners would import nearly two million strangers in one year?

About taking action, well of course you the the Sub Sahara Africans and the Arabs every day. They scream, they yell, they are on the streets. Like a mob and you think that's taking action. But what action? When you talk about Germans be passive, then think about all the passive things that make your live run. In some places in the world you expect the AC to run in summer, that you have clean water, electricity, that you get your mail, that your phone and internet connection work. Of course a riot make a big show but beside that what does it change in the big picture? Not much I would say. Did the Arabs from the Cologne attacks change Germany? They did not change the way how we run our society, they did just change the look we have about them. So they think we are weak because we don't beat them up. But for us they did prove they are scum. One drop after another till it's enough.

Yes, Arab clans control certain districts in Germany, but when the police really wants or given free hands from the politics do you really think they will hold on long? When we take action we take it systematical and then we can take them out without allahu akbar screams and make a big show like them. We kick their doors in the morning and we know them well. We have a list. Do they have list? Do they know us? They live at our mercy and when the mood change they will feel it. They are like teenagers that rage but forget who pays the pill for the housing and the food. All we lack at the moment is leaders that have the balls to take action. The Germans themselves will not hesitate to restore order.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...sheim.html

Quote:    
Police of Lower Saxony has searched the mosque of the "German-Islam Kreis Hildesheim" (DIK) on Wednesday. At the same time, the apartments had been searched by eight board members of the association, said the Interior Ministry. The action continued.

"The DIK in Hildesheim is a nationwide hot spot of the radical Salafists scene", Interior Minister Boris Pistorius said aloud release. "After months of preparation, we have taken an important step to ban the association with the now searches carried out."

The security authorities subject prior findings that the club would radicalized Muslims and motivated to participate in the jihad in the combat areas. In sermons, seminars and lectures will also be called the "hatred of infidels," Pistorius said. When is the police action to end, was according to a spokesman initially unclear.

Also never forget, even now in Germany it never got that bad like it did in other countries. No riots before and also the bad districts are still possible to walk.

(07-27-2016 05:06 PM)redpillage Wrote:  Can someone explain to me why a country with one of the most restrictive building regulations on the planet and practically no available housing even for middle class earners would import nearly two million strangers in one year?

Yeah, it must be a dream (or plan?) come true for big real estate owners (like banks)

My favourite line of thinking though is more along the lines of that it simply makes sense for the political class in general - many more positions to be filled (with friends), new billon euro budgets to create, easier to push through TTIP/TPP now that the public focus is elsewhere, etc.

In the interests of brevity, I'll leave aside the points I made which were avoided by non-argument responses and focus on those that are still in contention.

Quote:It's absolutely not "indefensible". Your opinion is over-used propaganda that can only be stated from the position of a politically motivated armchair general.

As I before stated, this logic would only hold if you can apply it to a hypothetical British loss in WWII and still admonish them that their participation in WWII was indefensible.

That WWI was an avoidable disaster for Germany is not propaganda, but rather observable fact. I have no interest in placing sole blame on Germany for starting the war, since it was a confluence of many things. However, after the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the German government crucially gave assurance to Austria-Hungary that it would give military assistance in the case that an invasion of Serbia would be followed by a Russian declaration of war against Austria-Hungary; from that moment on, it had effectively committed itself to the prospect of a two-front pan-European war, a possibility which was made all the more likely given that Austria-Hungary now had a much stronger geopolitical position. Austria-Hungary then pursued war with Serbia, invaded even after Serbia offered considerable concessions, which then brought everyone else into war through treaties. It wasn't Germany's fault alone, but the German government had the chance to quell the crisis and did not take it.

With regard to the western front (which is what really bled Germany into defeat), Germany violated Belgian neutrality, giving Britain formal casus belli; pre-war German plans counted on passing through Belgium, and persisting in this even after Belgium and Britain made their positions clear was highly unwise, and in the long term it turned out to be ruinous. In the end, as Bismarck predicated, disaster came from "some damned foolish thing in the Balkans".

Was this all Germany's fault? Of course not, but it was also not in her interests (even formally, the war was fought for Austria-Hungary's interests, not Germany's). In truth, the war really wasn't in anyone's interest except the radical revolutionaries who gained power as a result. As for British participation in WWI and WWII, I think British involvement was ill-advised, and in both cases they were far worse off for their pains despite ostensibly being on the winning side. This disproves your assumptions about my views.

Quote:Explain to me the political framework of "tradition", including how it incubates political power for the populace.

This is a good example of how utopians reflexively invert the national interest. In conservative philosophy, tradition (defined as the intergenerational cultural, social, religious, civil, linguistic and artistic inheritance of a nation and people) is not meant to serve politics; instead, politics is meant to serve tradition.

You, on the other hand, think that traditions (previously defined) that encapsulate a nation's character are worthless except when they further your political purposes...which means your objective is not the good of the nation but rather the good of your ideology.

Thus, your view isn't nationalist, but rather abstract theory that pretends to be nationalist when convenient while undermining the nation to serve itself.

Quote:The communist-globalist political framework is well documented. It's even logical, in its blueprint for social evil. I bet we could even merge it with the undefined "tradition" because of the latter's inherent vagueness.

Wrong. Marxism denies the value of tradition, and reduces the importance of national character down to political efficacy. This is indiscernible from what you've written above.

Quote:If it varies, it does not exist as a political framework, and it does not offer a political framework that can defend itself against the very specific, and politically strong framework of communism.

Simply, if it varies, it offers no coherent way to incubate political power.

And since you view tradition with the same hostility as Marxism, your self-justification is essentially saying that you wish to trample and destroy the national character yourself so that communists can't.

After this, we find another self-defeating line of reasoning. The German language varies...does this mean there's no such thing as German? Clearly, variation does not imply nonexistence, and the variation in nationality necessitates a variation in nationalism. Nationalism is an inherently contextual viewpoint because nations are variable contexts, and your hostility towards contextual politics once again leads one to the conclusion that your ideology isn't nationalist.

Quote:The nobility and the military leadership were obviously routed by the Globalists after WWI.

Even momentarily accepting this naive oversimplification, it begs the question of why you're still arguing for that war when the German leadership only accepted it after presented with a fait accompli, and when it ultimately did nothing but damage Germany permanently. That aside, the nobility and military leadership did not disappear but persisted, and what you continue to ignore is that both of these manifestations of the German body politic became opposed to the Third Reich because it was increasingly clear that Germany's leaders were in it for themselves and their ideals, not for the good of Germany.

A mass socialist party imposed upon traditional German institutions was never in the interests of Germany or her people, and quite deservedly earned their enmity.

Quote:The German people's true pillar was always its natural, genetically determined ability to create its society. That's the ability that was dusted-off in lieu of a false worship of the internationalist Church and its other weakened leadership.

"The proletariat's true pillar was always its natural, historically determined ability to create communist society. That's the ability that was dusted-off in lieu of a false worship of the capitalist Church and its other bourgeois leadership."

Perhaps you could explain why your vision for Germany seems to display so many similarities with Marxist paradigms. The fact that utopian political programs share a common philosophical root might be one observation to make.

Moreover, your argument is again self-defeating. If Germany's "true" political pillar was always innate, then on what grounds do you object to any form that Germany might take? How can one distinguish between a good German government and a bad German government, given that your purely genetic rubric would apply equally in any case?

Additionally, the fact that you've cast aside any possibilities for variation in this theoretical "true" German society means that this has nothing to do with the will or history of the German people, and everything to do with the ideal of Germany you've formed in your imagination. In this way, you confuse your utopianism for Germany, just like the Jacobins confused their theoretical perfect republic for France.

Lastly, you think the churches that had helped build Germany from the time of Charlemagne (before there was a Germany) were un-German, but a socialist party invented in 1920 is the true voice of Germany? Laughable. The NSDAP was hostile towards traditional German institutions because, like you, it scorned German tradition, which proves my point.

Quote:No it isn't. You just made that up. Utopianism can be nationalist, and the largest utopian ideology, still in the world, is hyper-nationalist. You obviously haven't a clue about utopianism, its manifestations, nor its history.

Utopia literally means "no-place", and as there is no nation called "no-place", utopianism and nationalism are incompatible paradigms. One begins with the living nation, her organic identity and institutions created by generations of shared existence (the way that nations take form in the real world); the other begins with speculative ideals in the heads of would-be revolutionaries.

Thus, utopianism seeks to impose its abstract theories upon the nation, invariably crushing much of the nation and her national character in the process. In this regard, German fascism is indistinguishable from Jacobinism or Bolshevism: the nation, subjugated and silenced, is forced to serve and suffer for the ideal of the revolutionary; this is contrary to nationalism, which seeks to formulate ideas capable of serving and ennobling the nation.

As a result of these categorical differences, nationalism and utopianism are not compatible, and you've made it quite clear which you prefer.

Quote:Maybe you should begin with noting that your examples are those of the victories of internationalists and communists, in Paris over the reign of the "Traditionalists" and in Berlin, after they were forced to fight the entire West and almost successfully did so, in alliance with the communists.

What we have in Paris 1794, Berlin 1945 and Moscow 1991 (all three of which you seem to possess little to no understanding, since you erroneously describe Jacobins as "traditionalists") is the inevitable failure of utopian ideologues who brought once-great nations low in pursuing their ideals. In chasing after their imagined German empire that was supposed to stretch from the Irish Sea to the Urals, the Third Reich betrayed what Germany in actual fact was and ruined her through their unhinged hubris.

In the relationship between the nation and ideology, Jacobinism, Bolshevism and Nazism are functionally analogous. German fascism was nothing but abstract utopianism dressed up in nationalistic clothes: Jacobins wearing lederhosen.