Post: #151

I decided to bump this thread. I feel I have something to add in hip hop dancing and battles which hasn’t been covered much.

Background
At the time I started to learn how to dance was the time when You Got Served, Stomp the Yard, America’s Best Dance Crew and all the hip hop dance movies were really starting. How I learned was looked up Youtube videos of actual professional hip hop dancers and groups. Danced in front a mirror and also sometimes recorded myself. My friend also learned how to dance with me so we could provide feedback to each other. It took us about one summer to get good. I lived in a small Midwestern city of around only 50,000 people but many larger cities within a 1 hour drive.

Field Test (Dance "Battles")
At this point my friend and I were pretty good. We decided to go to dance clubs that played mostly hip hop music just to see how good we were. One problem was we were under 21 so we could only go to nights when they 18 year olds in but we made due. From all these movies being out, everyone that had a little bit of moves thought they could be in one of those movies and would show off in these clubs. Then first night we did this, a group of guys were doing this. All we did was approach them and asked if they wanted to “battle”.

The Actual Battle
We cleared people out of the way and made a large circle for everybody to watch just like the movies. The difference is in real life pretty much everyone would dance one at a time. One person from your crew goes then one from there’s. We wait for a good song to start the battle. Sometimes battles would last 1 minute. Other times they would last 15. One guy from their crew goes. Better than an average dancer but had no business doing it in front of that many people watching. Their whole crew is like that. We end up beating them pretty handily. We were still needed to improve though because we danced nervous, didn’t transition between moves great.

Results
We knew no one there. Guys came up and asked where we learned to dance and congratulated us. All the girls wanted to get a chance to dance with us and hang out with after the club. We did not have to do a single approach all the women flooded to us. They instantly assumed we could fuck because we could dance. Plus in a hip hop dance club, if you can beat everybody in a “battle” you are now kings in that venue. My friend and I became monsters at dance “battles”. We would toy with the opposition, learned to play the crowd. We had it made and locked down one particular place.
Our reputation had spread to the point where people would drive 2 hours to come and “battle” us. We rarely ever lost. Win Percentage=95+%. If we did lose we would come back with a vengeance and regain our reputation. People would actually steal our moves and use them against us.

How We Would Win
We would win because we would incorporate all different sub-styles of hip hop dancing and other dancing into ours so we were versatile. If they were better than us at a sub style we would use it less and use the ones we were much stronger than them in.

Styles We Incorporated

Popping
This would include moves like making your arms, legs and body do a wave or any "popping" of any body parts.





Tutting
Use of your arms and hands in different angles made in a dancing motion. Named after King Tut because it looks similar to the Egyptian dance but just made to look good. Perfect for Tuthmosis.





Jitting
A Detroit style dance with a lot of feet movement.





Krumping
An explosive style that almost looks your fighting. You swing your arms and legs violently, jump around a lot. Looks very out of control and easy but is difficult and exhausting.





Robot
This is self-explanatory. People give the robot a lot of shit but that’s because most people don’t do it well. If one correctly it can look very good and original.





Michael Jackson
I loved to use some of MJ’s moves but just adding a twist of my own. Sliding my feet, spins movements with the head, and the commitment to the moves; I always made sure to take notes of how he danced.

Personal Twist
Another key would be to always put your own twist on these dancing styles by combining some moves of both or just creating your own moves.

Overall Pros and Cons

Pros
1. Social proof through the roof
2. Places Locked Down
3. Local Celebrity Status
4. Girls would Approach You and Want to Hangout, party, fuck etc.
5. Girls would think you could fuck before you said a word to them
6. Can transition to other dancing styles easily
7. Thrill of Competition
8. Great workout

Cons
1. Expected to dance every time you go out even if you don’t want to
2. Can Burn out easily from all the “battles”

Summary
From Hip hop “battle” dancing I got a lot of lays, social proof, local celebrity status and the ability to bridge into other dancing. I also got burned out from all the weekly dance battles after about 3 years. I still get asked to dance all the time even though it’s been over 5 years since I stopped doing the battles. I still dance individually once in a while and all the pros still come back. Being a good dancer never goes out of style.

Post: #152

(03-07-2015 12:41 PM)realologist Wrote:  Summary
From Hip hop “battle” dancing I got a lot of lays, social proof, local celebrity status and the ability to bridge into other dancing. I also got burned out from all the weekly dance battles after about 3 years. I still get asked to dance all the time even though it’s been over 5 years since I stopped doing the battles. I still dance individually once in a while and all the pros still come back. Being a good dancer never goes out of style.

Overall, Realologist, I like your post. I think that you bring a lot of perspective, and share a lot of ideas related to your dance experiences. In that regard, your post seems almost of such character and substance that it could spark its own thread. Accordingly, you should consider creating another thread with your post and then maybe asking some questions for guys in relation to some of the ideas that you bring up.

I mention a new thread because a large majority of the posts in this thread relate to various aspects of partner dancing, such as salsa, swing and/or ballroom dancing. Even though (as you suggested) some aspects of hip hop dancing can be brought into (and even incorporated into) partner dancing, partner dancing has a lot of dynamics that are quite a bit different from hip hop dancing. Also, there is a difference between guys who are potential performers (even in partner dancing) as compared to guys who are attempting to use dance as a socializing hobby and in that way causing various approach opportunities (and gaming opportunities) with girls.

By the way, Realologist, did you ever incorporate any partner dancing into your hip hop dancing. I suppose that sometimes there could be opportunities to partner dance and to play around with your moves when dancing with chicks in social settings (rather than in performance and/or battle settings).

Also, you ever travel to other cities and attempt to social dance with some of your dance moves? For example, with salsa, I have danced in quite a few places, and there are opportunities to socialize all over the world with salsa dancing, if you can find the right venues in each of the cities, but sometimes also the venues will vary from location to location (regarding how many decent target girls are available to meet).


EDIT: I reexamined several posts in the thread, including OP, and I take back any of my above emphasis to suggest that this thread was intently focused on partner dancing, and in that regard, I seemed to add my own preference for partner dancing and social interaction to my above post.

To me it seems that even though OP discusses a variety of social interaction scenarios involving dance and the dance floor, OP also seems to invite a lot of dance perspectives besides partner dancing, which seems to also be receptive to your perspective, Realologist, which seems to be focusing on the results that you would get from dance performance and/or battle....

In any event, I would like to hear a little more about various ways that you, Realologist, would use your dance moves with socializing and social interactions and converting your dance skills into lays. In that regard, sometimes it can be helpful for guys to hear examples of both successes and failures - because frequently RVF guys are NOT going to have time, energy and/or willpower to be able to achieve the level of technical proficiency that you described yourself to have developed, and therefore many RVF guys are going to tend to have to work with fewer technical dance talents in order to attempt to translate their dance socializing experiences into lays (if that's one of the goals?).

Post: #153

(03-09-2015 01:41 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  [quote='realologist' pid='973980' dateline='1425750065']

By the way, Realologist, did you ever incorporate any partner dancing into your hip hop dancing. I suppose that sometimes there could be opportunities to partner dance and to play around with your moves when dancing with chicks in social settings (rather than in performance and/or battle settings).

Also, you ever travel to other cities and attempt to social dance with some of your dance moves? For example, with salsa, I have danced in quite a few places, and there are opportunities to socialize all over the world with salsa dancing, if you can find the right venues in each of the cities, but sometimes also the venues will vary from location to location (regarding how many decent target girls are available to meet).


EDIT: I reexamined several posts in the thread, including OP, and I take back any of my above emphasis to suggest that this thread was intently focused on partner dancing, and in that regard, I seemed to add my own preference for partner dancing and social interaction to my above post.

To me it seems that even though OP discusses a variety of social interaction scenarios involving dance and the dance floor, OP also seems to invite a lot of dance perspectives besides partner dancing, which seems to also be receptive to your perspective, Realologist, which seems to be focusing on the results that you would get from dance performance and/or battle....

In any event, I would like to hear a little more about various ways that you, Realologist, would use your dance moves with socializing and social interactions and converting your dance skills into lays. In that regard, sometimes it can be helpful for guys to hear examples of both successes and failures - because frequently RVF guys are NOT going to have time, energy and/or willpower to be able to achieve the level of technical proficiency that you described yourself to have developed, and therefore many RVF guys are going to tend to have to work with fewer technical dance talents in order to attempt to translate their dance socializing experiences into lays (if that's one of the goals?).

Your are right. It can warrant it's own thread where I can address your questions and have a more thorough break down of how to use it socially and to convert lays. How the average dancer could use this style of dancing. I will also bring up it's strengths and weaknesses and ability to transfer to different social settings. Etc. I'll create the data sheet within the next day or two.

Overall the lays weren't a goal, they were just a benefit. It was more for fun and to become a better a dancer. Everything happened was a result.

Post: #154

Any of you guys know the song "stroke you up" by changing faces? in my experience chicks black chicks respond to it well.

Post: #155

(03-09-2015 10:35 AM)realologist Wrote:  

(03-09-2015 01:41 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  [quote='realologist' pid='973980' dateline='1425750065']

By the way, Realologist, did you ever incorporate any partner dancing into your hip hop dancing. I suppose that sometimes there could be opportunities to partner dance and to play around with your moves when dancing with chicks in social settings (rather than in performance and/or battle settings).

Also, you ever travel to other cities and attempt to social dance with some of your dance moves? For example, with salsa, I have danced in quite a few places, and there are opportunities to socialize all over the world with salsa dancing, if you can find the right venues in each of the cities, but sometimes also the venues will vary from location to location (regarding how many decent target girls are available to meet).


EDIT: I reexamined several posts in the thread, including OP, and I take back any of my above emphasis to suggest that this thread was intently focused on partner dancing, and in that regard, I seemed to add my own preference for partner dancing and social interaction to my above post.

To me it seems that even though OP discusses a variety of social interaction scenarios involving dance and the dance floor, OP also seems to invite a lot of dance perspectives besides partner dancing, which seems to also be receptive to your perspective, Realologist, which seems to be focusing on the results that you would get from dance performance and/or battle....

In any event, I would like to hear a little more about various ways that you, Realologist, would use your dance moves with socializing and social interactions and converting your dance skills into lays. In that regard, sometimes it can be helpful for guys to hear examples of both successes and failures - because frequently RVF guys are NOT going to have time, energy and/or willpower to be able to achieve the level of technical proficiency that you described yourself to have developed, and therefore many RVF guys are going to tend to have to work with fewer technical dance talents in order to attempt to translate their dance socializing experiences into lays (if that's one of the goals?).

Your are right. It can warrant it's own thread where I can address your questions and have a more thorough break down of how to use it socially and to convert lays. How the average dancer could use this style of dancing. I will also bring up it's strengths and weaknesses and ability to transfer to different social settings. Etc. I'll create the data sheet within the next day or two.

Overall the lays weren't a goal, they were just a benefit. It was more for fun and to become a better a dancer. Everything happened was a result.

O.k. give us a link in this thread, once you start the new thread.

Post: #156

My dance floor game is alright.
I know how to spin, grind, all the good stuff.

Met a cool girl, danced, talked, stole a VIP booth, met her friends, and made out a lot.

Sucked she was a designated driver. Next day when I texted her, nothing.
I'm getting a bigger and bigger impression that pulling the same night is really important.

Post: #157

(05-16-2015 07:28 PM)ClintTalks Wrote:  I'm getting a bigger and bigger impression that pulling the same night is really important.

Yup, pretty much. Welcome to the rest of us.

Post: #158

(05-16-2015 07:28 PM)ClintTalks Wrote:  My dance floor game is alright.
I know how to spin, grind, all the good stuff.

Met a cool girl, danced, talked, stole a VIP booth, met her friends, and made out a lot.

Sucked she was a designated driver. Next day when I texted her, nothing.
I'm getting a bigger and bigger impression that pulling the same night is really important.

Stole a VIP booth? How'd you do that?

Post: #159

I've just started teaching myself basic waltz moves which is doesn't seem too difficult to learn.
I didn't see waltz mentioned in this thread, so if I learn more I will write some tips here in the future.

This thread should be in the RVF hall of fame.
There really is no easier way to touch and physically escalate with a girl you have never met before than to ask her to dance. Few girls (even those who have no clue about dancing) will say no to at least trying this. Almost all girls have this interest or curiosity about dancing built into them even if they don't follow up on it.

In my grandparents generation, (and all across the world in the early 20th century and before) dancing was a serious test to see if 2 people were compatible as a couple and also if they could fulfil their masculine and feminine roles. If the man was confident in himself and could lead well, and the woman liked being lead by him, and they felt comfortable touching and holding eachother, and were making serious eye contact (and were both getting seriously aroused by the close physical contact) by dancing together then it was an important way to determine if the couple should get married.

This is something that has been totally lost on the men of the last 2 or 3 generations...we go on endless dates trying to kino escalate, get girls drunk and build "connections" to arouse her using other methods, while these bitches play on their smartphones and get bored. I've been on 3 dates in the past few weeks were I could not get a kiss and I'm sure I would have done much better if I was dancing with these girls.

I'm quite sure if more guys took girls dancing our close rate with new pussy would skyrocket.

I for one, am committed to learn some sort of full contact dancing this year.

Post: #160

(04-17-2016 05:00 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  I've just started teaching myself basic waltz moves which is doesn't seem too difficult to learn.
I didn't see waltz mentioned in this thread, so if I learn more I will write some tips here in the future.

This thread should be in the RVF hall of fame.
There really is no easier way to touch and physically escalate with a girl you have never met before than to ask her to dance. Few girls (even those who have no clue about dancing) will say no to at least trying this. Almost all girls have this interest or curiosity about dancing built into them even if they don't follow up on it.

In my grandparents generation, (and all across the world in the early 20th century and before) dancing was a serious test to see if 2 people were compatible as a couple and also if they could fulfil their masculine and feminine roles. If the man was confident in himself and could lead well, and the woman liked being lead by him, and they felt comfortable touching and holding eachother, and were making serious eye contact (and were both getting seriously aroused by the close physical contact) by dancing together then it was an important way to determine if the couple should get married.

This is something that has been totally lost on the men of the last 2 or 3 generations...we go on endless dates trying to kino escalate, get girls drunk and build "connections" to arouse her using other methods, while these bitches play on their smartphones and get bored. I've been on 3 dates in the past few weeks were I could not get a kiss and I'm sure I would have done much better if I was dancing with these girls.

I'm quite sure if more guys took girls dancing our close rate with new pussy would skyrocket.

I for one, am committed to learn some sort of full contact dancing this year.

Spot on! Dancing is primal, dancing is alpha. The man is leading the woman, physicaly, just like during sex. Yes, learning dancing will set you apart (specially here in Sweden where few now how to dance) and compare to a date there wont be any verbal bullshit, shit-testing, and trying to get her of her stupid phone. Escalation starts as soon as you guys start dancing.

Im sure that learning how to dance would better the overall game for anyone. So in a near future I have decided that I have to learn some style, and just like OP wrote, to incorporate that into your own style.

Anyway these moves seems pretty legite:

Post: #161

(04-17-2016 05:00 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  I've just started teaching myself basic waltz moves which is doesn't seem too difficult to learn.
I didn't see waltz mentioned in this thread, so if I learn more I will write some tips here in the future.

This thread should be in the RVF hall of fame.
There really is no easier way to touch and physically escalate with a girl you have never met before than to ask her to dance. Few girls (even those who have no clue about dancing) will say no to at least trying this. Almost all girls have this interest or curiosity about dancing built into them even if they don't follow up on it.

In my grandparents generation, (and all across the world in the early 20th century and before) dancing was a serious test to see if 2 people were compatible as a couple and also if they could fulfil their masculine and feminine roles. If the man was confident in himself and could lead well, and the woman liked being lead by him, and they felt comfortable touching and holding eachother, and were making serious eye contact (and were both getting seriously aroused by the close physical contact) by dancing together then it was an important way to determine if the couple should get married.

This is something that has been totally lost on the men of the last 2 or 3 generations...we go on endless dates trying to kino escalate, get girls drunk and build "connections" to arouse her using other methods, while these bitches play on their smartphones and get bored. I've been on 3 dates in the past few weeks were I could not get a kiss and I'm sure I would have done much better if I was dancing with these girls.

I'm quite sure if more guys took girls dancing our close rate with new pussy would skyrocket.

I for one, am committed to learn some sort of full contact dancing this year.

I think what you say about dance is generally correct, and depending on what circles you are in, there will be different kinds of dance, different levels of dance and different expectations regarding whether any touching is involved in the dance.

I personally only claim to know salsa, cha cha cha, meregue and bachata, even though I can probably dance some others too, in sort of ad hoc ways or just faking it, depending on venue.

Yep, Waltz is considered a partner dance and a ballroom dance, and so there is likely some need to practice with girls, too.. versus some freestyle forms.

Are you making any progress in your training in the past couple of months? Have you put your training to practice in venues? Are you in a certain geographical area, or do you travel to other areas in terms of potentially employing your learning to chicks?

Post: #162

(05-20-2016 04:17 PM)IDrinkYourMilkShake Wrote:  

(04-17-2016 05:00 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  [edited out

Spot on! Dancing is primal, dancing is alpha. The man is leading the woman, physicaly, just like during sex. Yes, learning dancing will set you apart (specially here in Sweden where few now how to dance) and compare to a date there wont be any verbal bullshit, shit-testing, and trying to get her of her stupid phone. Escalation starts as soon as you guys start dancing.

Im sure that learning how to dance would better the overall game for anyone. So in a near future I have decided that I have to learn some style, and just like OP wrote, to incorporate that into your own style.

Anyway these moves seems pretty legite:

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAlxpspnIWs[/video]


[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHG6YVaLIFQ[/video]

Yep, both of those videos have legitimate pointers for dancing in clubs and even ways to get directly to the point of picking up, especially clubs that are mostly already filled with both guys and gals who do not have high dance skills but are using dance for getting close.. and sure of course having fun with all of the matter of approaching, getting physical and attempting to get bangs or at least escalating enough in order that a bang could be in the near future.

Actually, sometimes guys will also employ some of those same techniques in dance clubs in which the dance skills are higher, and some girls will still play along with the moves, even if she was expecting a guy with higher level dance skills.

Post: #163

Something new I've tried recently. My friend and I were using the fact that women love being attention whores in clubs to our advantage. Put up snap chat on a phone and dance in the club life of the party style. Talk to everybody in their to have them dance on the video.

We would position ourselves near a lot of hot girls and they all wanted to look sexy for the camera so they would instinctively put in their sexy face and start grinding on us. Then isolate later to show them the video. Other conversation would come very easy after that.

Post: #164

Samsaeu, you're a giant on this forum. This share is impactful greater than you may have expected.

Before reading this I was one of those guys that wrote off dancing. I recognized the functional aspects of it and vaguely understood it's purpose. I had distaste for such an act that appeared to be so useless in the physically productive sense. I've danced successfully before, but not more than 50% of the time and never really knowing what I was doing. Unknown to me, I was trying to vibe with ignorance of the concept. In a strange way, it took another man's explanation for me to truly understand a woman's favorite endeavor. Now I can understand how to appreciate dancing instead of looking at it as a loathed, yet unavoidable aspect of long term dating. All women will rope you into dancing with them at some point. The CutCopy-Out There on the Ice video speaks of impeccable taste. Not only did you provide something catchy, club-worthy and sensual; but I actually enjoyed this track so much that I feel the connection to dancing with it. This is a great starting point. Thank you again for your continued efforts in this forum.

Post: #165

(07-22-2016 10:59 AM)TonySandos Wrote:  Unknown to me, I was trying to vibe with ignorance of the concept. In a strange way, it took another man's explanation for me to truly understand a woman's favorite endeavor. Now I can understand how to appreciate dancing instead of looking at it as a loathed, yet unavoidable aspect of long term dating. All women will rope you into dancing with them at some point.

Hahahaha, I never really though about dancing as "woman's favorite endeavor," yet it is a very good point. Maybe it is the less rational nature of women or the way that they want to play or to have foreplay?

You know that guys are sometimes also accused to being childish in different ways when we get together with our other guy friends and make fart jokes or some other stupid stuff, but yeah, women and men may have some differing tendencies in how they play and how they get worked up for playing, and dancing certainly can be a decent way to take advantage of some of woman's play inclinations and for the guy to turn it into a way of possibly getting a bang out of the deal.... by playing with her proclivities.

Post: #166

Dancing is natural for women like Sam said. It's part of their emotive nature. As misconstrued as it might be to say, a woman displaying her base sexuality is in touch with her primitive femininity in that experience. The epiphany dawned on me that you'll never have all of your sweet prey in your palm of your hand in the way that you would if you touched her on this level also. This closes a gap for me in sealing a woman's enthrallment with utter certainty. If you can demonstrate the talk, the walk and the moves, you own her. You envelope all areas inside her "shield". You're winning on her own turf. She's defenseless lol.

Post: #167

(07-22-2016 07:23 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  Dancing is natural for women like Sam said. It's part of their emotive nature. As misconstrued as it might be to say, a woman displaying her base sexuality is in touch with her primitive femininity in that experience. The epiphany dawned on me that you'll never have all of your sweet prey in your palm of your hand in the way that you would if you touched her on this level also. This closes a gap for me in sealing a woman's enthrallment with utter certainty. If you can demonstrate the talk, the walk and the moves, you own her. You envelope all areas inside her "shield". You're winning on her own turf. She's defenseless lol.

While I don't disagree with what you are saying, I would not consider any of the fickleness and individuality of women to be either predictable or that some sure-fired techniques are going to inevitably cause her to bang you.

However, dance does allow you to communicate through touch with a woman and with permission and with experimenting. You can push harder or pull back a little in order to respond to some of her individuality and the conditions on that day (night).

In this regard, sometimes a girl may be a bit of a prude, yet on the dance floor she becomes very physical and interactive, and she begins to believe (whether mistaken or not) that whatever you are doing with her is acceptable because it is innocently part of the dance. Then, possibly, she would have rarely been willing to agree to such either public or private levels of physicality off of the dance floor, but it can continue off of the dance floor because the cork has already been popped or whatever more appropriate analogy.

Some girls do still act a bit prudish on the dance floor, and some of them can take a bit longer to uncork, yet with some of them, you may come to realize that it just is not likely worth your effort to try to loosen her up because she just is not ready for either you or the particular circumstances are not good for her... but she might open up a few weeks later, after seeing you a few times on the dance floor or whatever, so you have to judge if you give up in a temporary kind of way and revisit later or burn bridges with that chick.

Post: #168

I've had different experiences with dance floor game, I haven't really done those salsa type spin moves and generally dance solo while enjoying the music. This is at only edm, techno, house clubs. I've had girls approach me by vibing with the music and enjoying the space around us and I start escalating from there. I try to pick near the center of the dance floor which girls seem to congregate most at and where you are the most visible at. Most guys don't know how to dance and they tend to just sway from left to right or do the fist bump, if you have a sense of rhythm and are enjoying yourself girls will notice that. This applies to music festivals too. Pick a spot where you aren't constantly getting bumped but in the center middle or left where you can have the space to dance freely. Watch where women mostly go to when they dance and how they move through the crowd. Guys generally stay at one spot most of the time.

Post: #169

(07-22-2016 07:46 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  While I don't disagree with what you are saying, I would not consider any of the fickleness and individuality of women to be either predictable or that some sure-fired techniques are going to inevitably cause her to bang you.

However, dance does allow you to communicate through touch with a woman and with permission and with experimenting. You can push harder or pull back a little in order to respond to some of her individuality and the conditions on that day (night).

We have some misunderstanding going on. What I was alluding to was that strong dancing can also be used to crush any feminine wiles of dissent from a ltr. She's already into you so being effective at it multiplies your effect on her.

Aside from that, dancing does seem to tell you a lot about the woman as Samseau said. This is a multifaceted weapon.

Post: #170

(07-22-2016 09:03 PM)JayD Wrote:  I've had different experiences with dance floor game, I haven't really done those salsa type spin moves and generally dance solo while enjoying the music. This is at only edm, techno, house clubs. I've had girls approach me by vibing with the music and enjoying the space around us and I start escalating from there. I try to pick near the center of the dance floor which girls seem to congregate most at and where you are the most visible at. Most guys don't know how to dance and they tend to just sway from left to right or do the fist bump, if you have a sense of rhythm and are enjoying yourself girls will notice that. This applies to music festivals too. Pick a spot where you aren't constantly getting bumped but in the center middle or left where you can have the space to dance freely. Watch where women mostly go to when they dance and how they move through the crowd. Guys generally stay at one spot most of the time.

Towards the beginning of the first video in post 160 above, the guy suggests that you target girls from the start, rather than dancing solo, and you will have better luck, and I tend to believe that to be the case, because sometimes guys can look kind of dorky when the attempt to dance solo; nonetheless, if you have gotten the dancing solo to work for you, then you probably have a kind of methodology that allows you not to look very dorky.

How long will you dance solo before you approach girls? or do you just wait for the girls to approach you? If you wait for the girls to approach you, then are you getting the kinds of girls that you want with that kind of technique? I would think that the less desireable girls will kind of gravitate towards the solo guy dancer. What is your kind of timeline, and will you do this for several songs or hours, or do you have some parameters that cause you to move locations or stop if what you are doing does not seem to be working?

Post: #171

(07-22-2016 09:22 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 07:46 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  While I don't disagree with what you are saying, I would not consider any of the fickleness and individuality of women to be either predictable or that some sure-fired techniques are going to inevitably cause her to bang you.

However, dance does allow you to communicate through touch with a woman and with permission and with experimenting. You can push harder or pull back a little in order to respond to some of her individuality and the conditions on that day (night).

We have some misunderstanding going on. What I was alluding to was that strong dancing can also be used to crush any feminine wiles of dissent from a ltr. She's already into you so being effective at it multiplies your effect on her.

Maybe you have been talking about long term relationships in your earlier post, but I don't think that anyone else posting in this thread had really been referring to long term relationships in terms of the subject matter of this thread (but if you need to provide some reference links to other posts, then that may help to clarify what you mean).

Yeah, there are different opinions regarding ways to use dance in order to get the girls attention and then to increase physicality with the girl in various ways, but after you have pulled the girl and banged her a few times, then the dynamics of the relationship is likely to change in a variety of ways, and whether dancing helps in terms of the harmony of the long term relationship situation with that chick seems to be a whole other area of discussion and possibly another thread topic.

So, if you are referring to those kinds of long term relationship matters or lovey dovey feel good matters coming out of dance, either you should explain further and make a connection, or it may be a topic for another thread.. hahahaha

(07-22-2016 09:22 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  Aside from that, dancing does seem to tell you a lot about the woman as Samseau said. This is a multifaceted weapon.

Samseau hasn't chimed into this thread since late 2013, so are you referring to any quote specifically? I don't doubt that he was correct about a lot of matters, including the fact that you can get to know chicks through dance, but likely he was referring to shorter term dynamics in dance connection rather than long term relationship type issues, but if you want to point out some specific link to something he said or quote him somewhere, that may help to clarify what you mean by "Samseau said."

Post: #172

(07-22-2016 09:41 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 09:03 PM)JayD Wrote:  I've had different experiences with dance floor game, I haven't really done those salsa type spin moves and generally dance solo while enjoying the music. This is at only edm, techno, house clubs. I've had girls approach me by vibing with the music and enjoying the space around us and I start escalating from there. I try to pick near the center of the dance floor which girls seem to congregate most at and where you are the most visible at. Most guys don't know how to dance and they tend to just sway from left to right or do the fist bump, if you have a sense of rhythm and are enjoying yourself girls will notice that. This applies to music festivals too. Pick a spot where you aren't constantly getting bumped but in the center middle or left where you can have the space to dance freely. Watch where women mostly go to when they dance and how they move through the crowd. Guys generally stay at one spot most of the time.

Towards the beginning of the first video in post 160 above, the guy suggests that you target girls from the start, rather than dancing solo, and you will have better luck, and I tend to believe that to be the case, because sometimes guys can look kind of dorky when the attempt to dance solo; nonetheless, if you have gotten the dancing solo to work for you, then you probably have a kind of methodology that allows you not to look very dorky.

How long will you dance solo before you approach girls? or do you just wait for the girls to approach you? If you wait for the girls to approach you, then are you getting the kinds of girls that you want with that kind of technique? I would think that the less desireable girls will kind of gravitate towards the solo guy dancer. What is your kind of timeline, and will you do this for several songs or hours, or do you have some parameters that cause you to move locations or stop if what you are doing does not seem to be working?

Dancing solo is quite fun, shows confidence that you are able to enjoy yourself and it also helps that I really love the music and that always ensures a good time. I have a personal style in dancing, it is very rare for other guys to dance in this way, a lot of girls do but most guys don't. I would say only about 1-5% of guys in a club would dance this way.

It calls attention to girls, dancing to the music shows rhythm, groove and yes your attuning to your own self and the way you express yourself, hints of spirituality. It's not always the intention to go and pick up girls more the intention to have a good time and enjoy the music and vibe. With friends it can also bring your energy up and you pick up and rock it and girls definitely notice this and tend to gravitate around you. (Caveat: of course you have to be well dressed group of guys and show dominance)

Dancing solo varies, if it is in a good spot could be for hours or minutes. Changing location is quite easily done as you are by yourself. I tend to follow where the girls head to and dance close in their vicinity and scope it out from there.

In edm, techno, house clubs the vibe is quite different to the clubs/bars that those videos show. Sure you can do those salsa type moves, but it is rarely if ever seen.

It works out most of the time, girls have come up to me with no prior contact and start grinding on me or dancing next to me, it is quite fun.

Post: #173

The initial post Juanjay

Post: #174

(07-22-2016 11:30 PM)JayD Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 09:41 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 09:03 PM)JayD Wrote:  I've had different experiences with dance floor game, I haven't really done those salsa type spin moves and generally dance solo while enjoying the music. This is at only edm, techno, house clubs. I've had girls approach me by vibing with the music and enjoying the space around us and I start escalating from there. I try to pick near the center of the dance floor which girls seem to congregate most at and where you are the most visible at. Most guys don't know how to dance and they tend to just sway from left to right or do the fist bump, if you have a sense of rhythm and are enjoying yourself girls will notice that. This applies to music festivals too. Pick a spot where you aren't constantly getting bumped but in the center middle or left where you can have the space to dance freely. Watch where women mostly go to when they dance and how they move through the crowd. Guys generally stay at one spot most of the time.

Towards the beginning of the first video in post 160 above, the guy suggests that you target girls from the start, rather than dancing solo, and you will have better luck, and I tend to believe that to be the case, because sometimes guys can look kind of dorky when the attempt to dance solo; nonetheless, if you have gotten the dancing solo to work for you, then you probably have a kind of methodology that allows you not to look very dorky.

How long will you dance solo before you approach girls? or do you just wait for the girls to approach you? If you wait for the girls to approach you, then are you getting the kinds of girls that you want with that kind of technique? I would think that the less desireable girls will kind of gravitate towards the solo guy dancer. What is your kind of timeline, and will you do this for several songs or hours, or do you have some parameters that cause you to move locations or stop if what you are doing does not seem to be working?

Dancing solo is quite fun, shows confidence that you are able to enjoy yourself and it also helps that I really love the music and that always ensures a good time. I have a personal style in dancing, it is very rare for other guys to dance in this way, a lot of girls do but most guys don't. I would say only about 1-5% of guys in a club would dance this way.

It calls attention to girls, dancing to the music shows rhythm, groove and yes your attuning to your own self and the way you express yourself, hints of spirituality. It's not always the intention to go and pick up girls more the intention to have a good time and enjoy the music and vibe. With friends it can also bring your energy up and you pick up and rock it and girls definitely notice this and tend to gravitate around you. (Caveat: of course you have to be well dressed group of guys and show dominance)

Dancing solo varies, if it is in a good spot could be for hours or minutes. Changing location is quite easily done as you are by yourself. I tend to follow where the girls head to and dance close in their vicinity and scope it out from there.

In edm, techno, house clubs the vibe is quite different to the clubs/bars that those videos show. Sure you can do those salsa type moves, but it is rarely if ever seen.

It works out most of the time, girls have come up to me with no prior contact and start grinding on me or dancing next to me, it is quite fun.

1) I only keep referring to salsa because that is my area of interest, but I definitely understand that there are lot's of dance styles and music and some kinds of moves may be more typical of other styles of dance - even though in many dances you can still incorporate moves and styles from other dances. For example, generating a lot of isolated body movements is not usually considered as salsa, but it can still play well in the salsa scene. Ballroom style partner dancing may not really be part of jazz or hip hop, but from time to time, you can definitely find opportunities to incorporate such, especially if the girl is willing to follow (because you are trying to make fun in the situation and the girl may well be willing to play along in such an environment).

2) I get some of what you are saying regarding the solo dancing, even though it is not may style nor my way of interacting with chicks, generally, so surely if you can get it to work for your style, then the more power to you. I do have a bit of a difficulty imagining, however, whether or how you are able to convert the attention of girls towards your target girl(s) if you wait for the girls to come up to you. Unless, you are attempting to include the target girl after you got attention from random girl, I don't know how your approach would result in the target girl, unless you merely don't care about the girl and you like the attention of any girl (in other words you have no target girl(s)). Can you explain better how this plays out in practice?

Post: #175

(07-23-2016 11:33 AM)TonySandos Wrote:  The initial post Juanjay

I think that a lot of guys are in agreement that the OP is filled with a lot of really good dance related information, and it is a very well put together with a lot of angles. That is likely why OP has a lot of "likes", but are you attempting to say anything beyond the fact that you like the OP from June 2011?

In other words, maybe we should start over with what it is that you are wanting to say?

At first, I thought that you were talking about how employing dance techniques on chicks can be helpful in escalating with those chicks in various ways off the dance floor, then, second, I thought that you were trying to suggest that employing dance techniques could be good for setting interaction dynamics within long term relationships, and now, third, I have no idea what you are saying beyond the fact that you "like" op. Can you elaborate in some way to point out what it is you are saying and maybe how it applies to you specifically rather than some quasi-abstract theories?