^^^^^^ nice

Does zma usually have that effect?

As to the uber man you already know...
Hoes
Be
Lying

(07-10-2016 08:42 PM)toejam Wrote:  ^^^^^^ nice

Does zma usually have that effect?

As to the uber man you already know...
Hoes
Be
Lying

Yes. I used to take 90 mg daily of zinc—30 mg optizinc in AM and 60 mg ZMA in evening; but I was waking up extremely hard and extremely horny and because I'm not having sex consistently, I wasn't putting it to good use.

Nowadays, on dates where sex is possible/likely, I'll bring two ZMA's so 60 mg of zinc with me if we're going to end up at her place.

With this girl, I fucked her just fine the first time, but felt a bit soft after pulling out. So I took 60 mg after the first time.

If I'm having trouble staying hard, I might take two ZMAs and then tell the girl,

"Hey let's just rest here for a bit."

After about 20-30 mins, I'll wake up and be so hard it's tough to fit the condom on. And I'll stay hard inside her.

Everyone reacts differently to everything. But it's easy to try, and has worked for me on those nights where I can't stay hard because of alcohol, LMR, having a cold, or whatever derails the best laid plans.

Weird situation tonight.

A girl I was trying to convert to a plate and whom I'd already banged out twice within a week came over this afternoon to stay with me and spend a few days. It was to be our third meet up.

20 year old, nice body and face. An easy 8.

The first two times were just 'dates' where she went home after the date/fuckfest.

She lives in a town about an hour and a half away.

When I invited her to stay for a night or two a few days ago, she was all enthusiastic on her texts as she was today as she was driving to come over.

She gets here and we go hangout by my pool. She's acting distant and really into her phone. I call her on the phone bit and she acts a little more bitchy, though she did put it away for a bit.

I was teasing her a little like I'd done before but she would act like she didn't' 'get it' or even a little offended.

I'm feeling the energy is not so good. I'm thinking, 'Is she going to be like this the whole time?'

We go back to my apartment after the pool and I hop in the shower. The last time she came over we took a shower together. This time, she's like 'leave the water on for me' meaning she'll wait to get a shower after me. I maintain my patience.

We went to a local cafe for a low priced meal as I was hungry but didn't want to spend a lot. I tried to get her to converse, talk about her interests and she opened up a little but was continuing to be distracted by her phone and would only engage in conversation when I asked questions.

She "shit tested" me a few times. For example, on the way to the restaurant, she noticed I brought a beer and was drinking it. "Is that a beer?!" she said, as if the thought of drinking a beer were a bad thing. "Hell yeah, want some?" I then chugged a few gulps. She said "no I don't like beer" with a contemptuous look.

Later on she's like, 'why did you call me babe?" "Just a figure of speech" I snorted back. ( I damn sure wasn't trying to get boyfriendy)

She's throwing out little pissy barbs like this.

We get back to my place about 9:00 pm. I put in a movie and she's sitting at the other end of the couch. She asks if I have anything for 'headaches' I'm thinking BS, but I give her something.

After 20 min, I slide over and go for a make out. She says, I just want to go to sleep, it's been a long day.

I get up kind of chuckling to myself and grab a water. After another 15, I try again.

Again, she shrugs away saying her head still hurts.

"Angie, I think you need to go. This isn't a free hotel stay"

She looks at me, gets up, packs and leaves. The whole time, I was kicked back on the couch sipping water and pale ale and earnestly reviewing my DVR recordings for the past few weeks. I picked one and hit play.

I saw her out of the side of my eye glance back and walk out the door, not a word spoken.

Like I said, it was a weird thing after two other dates that ended with good bangs.

I'm guessing somewhere attraction got destroyed or God knows what. Albeit, there were some red flags on the first two dates and I already knew this girl wasn't a long term prospect.

Either way, good riddance. I've got a feminine, cute 19 year old Latina girl I've been hooking up with that wanted to come over tonight but I held her at arms length for this girl.

I'll be seeing the Latina tomorrow. Her attitude will be like a breath of fresh air compared to this ice cold girl's reversal tonight.

Dental assistant I've posted about previously texted me yesterday saying she's been thinking about me and wants to see me again. I'm leery of investing much into that after the flake but will see about setting something up.

Got a +1 last night from a Tinder meet. After sex I've started asking them when they decided they were going to have sex with me, this is the second in a row to say they decided before we even met, that they knew from my pics and texting. Both are a couple years younger than me, I continue to work on getting that confidence going with girls 10+ years younger than me.

@rob

Hard to postulate without more data, but you handled it right.

If there was a mistake, it was in the enterprise. A plate is just a chick you're fucking. So to keep it spinning, you have less time together, but more intense.

If you'd seen her multiple times and then suggested a weekend, that's the settled life. And just hanging out isn't particularly stimulating for a chick that isn't in love with you.

Seems you want a chick that you could hang with, and then fuck, and then hang with, and then it is cool when you don't.

You need to engineer that, because it's not typical for chicks.

WIA

(07-13-2016 10:30 AM)RunsWithScissors Wrote:  Dental assistant I've posted about previously texted me yesterday saying she's been thinking about me and wants to see me again. I'm leery of investing much into that after the flake but will see about setting something up.

Got a +1 last night from a Tinder meet. After sex I've started asking them when they decided they were going to have sex with me, this is the second in a row to say they decided before we even met, that they knew from my pics and texting. Both are a couple years younger than me, I continue to work on getting that confidence going with girls 10+ years younger than me.

Isn't this the same bitch who "flaked" aka you saw her at a pool hall with another dude ?

You'd be coming from a position of weakness trying to chase her.

If anything a zero date bang - anything other than that isn't worth it.

If I ever saw a bitch out and about who lied to me about flaking - she wouldn't hear from me again.

kaotic Wrote:If anything a zero date bang - anything other than that isn't worth it.

This is my mindset, I'm not entertaining her other than sex and definitely not "chasing" her. Normally I'd agree with you that a girl doing that behavior would never hear from me again, but I've been ruminating on Balkan's and WestIndianArchie's comments about ego and figure I can use this as a learning opportunity.

Unless you have some sort of well-established connection with a girl, then all you are on a given night is one of her options. Ideally, her best option. Girls will cancel plans if a better option arises, because they care 0% about keeping up appearances for a stranger/someone they barely know or have any sort of investment in.

With the case of a girl flaking on you and you catching her out and about with some other guy - sure it seems cunty, inconsiderate, and selfish... but wouldn't you do the same? If I had multiple girls chatting me up, and I had some plans with one of them and a hotter, easier one wanted to hang the same day then I would likely make an excuse and re-schedule girl number 1.

Fact of the matter is, if she is cute and hitting you up saying she wants to see you then invite her over for some netflix and chill. Of course if she is flakey then I wouldn't schedile any plans that take you out of your way for her - but if she is willing to come to your place then why not indulge.

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Lately I've being dipping my stick in a couple of sexy latinas back and forth every other day. Girl #1 on Sat, then Girl #2 later on that night, Girl #1 again Sunday, then Girl #2 on Tue. Life is good right now. My biggest issues have been worrying about them discovering hickies from eachother, and one of them doesn't have birth control and them Mexican gals be as fertile as Mesopotamia so pullout game is risky business.

(07-12-2016 10:29 PM)robreke Wrote:  Weird situation tonight.

A girl I was trying to convert to a plate and whom I'd already banged out twice within a week came over this afternoon to stay with me and spend a few days. It was to be our third meet up.
....SNIPPED-----

We get back to my place about 9:00 pm. I put in a movie and she's sitting at the other end of the couch. She asks if I have anything for 'headaches' I'm thinking BS, but I give her something.

After 20 min, I slide over and go for a make out. She says, I just want to go to sleep, it's been a long day.

I get up kind of chuckling to myself and grab a water. After another 15, I try again.

Again, she shrugs away saying her head still hurts.

"Angie, I think you need to go. This isn't a free hotel stay"

She looks at me, gets up, packs and leaves. The whole time, I was kicked back on the couch sipping water and pale ale and earnestly reviewing my DVR recordings for the past few weeks. I picked one and hit play.

I saw her out of the side of my eye glance back and walk out the door, not a word spoken.

Like I said, it was a weird thing after two other dates that ended with good bangs.

I'm guessing somewhere attraction got destroyed or God knows what. Albeit, there were some red flags on the first two dates and I already knew this girl wasn't a long term prospect.

Either way, good riddance. I've got a feminine, cute 19 year old Latina girl I've been hooking up with that wanted to come over tonight but I held her at arms length for this girl.

I'll be seeing the Latina tomorrow. Her attitude will be like a breath of fresh air compared to this ice cold girl's reversal tonight.

Craziest thing this JUST happened to me.
Banged this chick out prior. We made plans to hang out but she wanted to spend the night. We go out. The first issue was the cell phone. This was prior to me reading that thread about cell phones on dates. Either way I let her know the deal, but looking back on it I should have went harder on her.

Anyway we get back to the hotel. Smash, bed. She wasn't enthusiastic but I wanted my nut and some sleep.

Next day she's weird. I go out. Come back.
She's in the bed on hey phone. I get to my boxers and jump on the bed. She's ignoring me. I turn the tv on take her phone and toss it aside. She's unenthusiastic about everything. I suck her nipples she just lays there.

I pull her on top of me and she slightly resists I think she said she was tired or some other crap i didn't pay attention to. She didn't do shit all day, mind you. I go to pull her panties off and she pulls them back on. I tell her if she doesn't feel like being here she can go home. Tell her I'm here to have fun and she's throwing rain on my parade. She gets on top of me and rides me like a cowgirl. Still not much enthusiasm.

Afterwards I realize I can't deal with her. Even though she rode me good I realize I was done with her for now. I tell her to pack I was taking her to the train so she can go out or go home or go somewhere.

Im supposed to see her this week but as I type this I'm gonna straight tell her I just want to smash and she needs to bring her A-game.

I'm a few days out, told this other chick to meet me. Trying to secure the bang but not sure if it's starting off correctly. Kissed closed then made out swcond date. This would be day 3, going for the bang.....

I tell her ill be in town in a few days. I tell her meet me on x day. She says she'll let me know on that day. WTF

I've made other plans of course but I don't think I'm satisfied with the answer I received. I want to go back in there a little harder

You expect sex, and she knows it. Might work against you.

WIA

Errant thought

If you're not fucking a ten, that girl ran game on you.

WIA

(07-14-2016 09:40 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Errant thought

If you're not fucking a ten, that girl ran game on you.

WIA

But... I... I didn't even... How can she... damn.

(07-14-2016 09:40 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Errant thought

If you're not fucking a ten, that girl ran game on you.

WIA

Assuming we're talking about the sexual market place valuation here, a 9 didn't game you if you are <9. If we can all agree women are generally hypergamous, their prerogative is to get with men who have a higher value than themselves. A man who could objectively do better but settles for less because the female's game made it so.

Therefor, as long as you are punching at your weight or higher, then you are winning the game.

But I'm a ten! I'm not 6'5", but I make chicks feel what it's like to be with that guy, better even.

*sense of self preserved*
*still grandiously delusional*

WIA

This is today's conversation with the dental assistant flake. Ignoring her during the flake and withdrawing attention seems to have been the right way to handle things, I'm aiming to post in the +1 thread later tonight.
   

Had my very first pregnancy scare today.

Hooked up with a 6 off Tinder about 3 weeks ago. Went raw, probably shouldn't have but hindsight is 20/20.

Don't talk to her after that and today she hit me up on Instagram (Lesson 1: Don't let chicks you're banging on your IG).

Says, "I need to talk to you!" When I see this, I know, I already fucking know what the deal is.
Legs shaking, palms sweaty, mom's spaghetti all that shit. Says she didn't have her period yet and she usually gets it at start of the month (So she says...)

Had her take a pregnancy test and it came up negative. Good, but not out of the woods yet. Might be too early, will have her take 2 tests next week.

Fuck man, and I'm going overseas in less than a month.

I still don't understand you dudes going raw on a random hoe.

Someone will have to explain that one to me

(07-15-2016 01:24 AM)toejam Wrote:  I still don't understand you dudes going raw on a random hoe.

Someone will have to explain that one to me

Condoms feel like garbage. The whole point of banging random girls is to have pleasurable sexual experiences. Condoms do not give me pleasurable sexual experiences. When I have sex with a condom on, I actually feel like I'm just doing it for the sake of getting the notch because it doesn't feel great. I have gotten off using condoms several times, but it's just not the same.

That being said, I full understand it's risky and stupid as fuck. Had one of my plates come to my place this morning and wake me up with some good morning sex. We fucked 3 times no condom - I just pull out and bust on her stomach. The third time I couldn't get off but whatever. She already has 2 kids and doesn't use birth control.

(07-15-2016 04:02 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  The third time I couldn't get off but whatever. She already has 2 kids and doesn't use birth control.

AND she's latina.

Was heading to the gym today and two chicks were having a conversation, one was in the drivers seat of a car and the other standing outside with a fluffy dog. As I begin to walk pass them, the dog is looking at me tipping it's head up and I do the same to the dog. This apparently was interpreted by the woman in the car as me trying to get the attention of the woman standing outside the car. Woman standing standing outside the car, turns around, see me, shouts "What's up?" I smile, wave, keep it moving because I was on a tight schedule, but that there was my opener.

(07-14-2016 09:20 PM)TheBlackNarwhal Wrote:  Had my very first pregnancy scare today.

Hooked up with a 6 off Tinder about 3 weeks ago. Went raw, probably shouldn't have but hindsight is 20/20.

Don't talk to her after that and today she hit me up on Instagram (Lesson 1: Don't let chicks you're banging on your IG).

Says, "I need to talk to you!" When I see this, I know, I already fucking know what the deal is.
Legs shaking, palms sweaty, mom's spaghetti all that shit. Says she didn't have her period yet and she usually gets it at start of the month (So she says...)

Had her take a pregnancy test and it came up negative. Good, but not out of the woods yet. Might be too early, will have her take 2 tests next week.

Fuck man, and I'm going overseas in less than a month.

Better go on that trip as this could be your last as a free man

@Rob

You think she clammed up because she regretted giving it up so easily? Maybe she wanted to put you in the boyfriend column?

(07-15-2016 10:35 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  @Rob

You think she clammed up because she regretted giving it up so easily? Maybe she wanted to put you in the boyfriend column?

^ Could be, I've already deleted all her info so who knows.

On another note - do you guys ever do things with girls without having sex? The reason I'm asking is I've got a 'plate' I've banged about 5 times and I want someone to go biking with me tomorrow morning to kill some time and hang out and she's cool. I've been having a lot of sex lately though and I want to 'build up and save up' my nut for a date I have with another girl later tomorrow night, plus some other dates with other girls early this coming week.

So, I'd rather not bang this plate and retain my sexual energy for the other girls but I'd rather do something with her the early part of tomorrow instead of do it alone, like biking and a quick lunch.

Unusual question, but curious on feedback.

(07-16-2016 07:25 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(07-15-2016 10:35 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  @Rob

You think she clammed up because she regretted giving it up so easily? Maybe she wanted to put you in the boyfriend column?

Could be, I've already deleted all her info so who knows.

On another note - do you guys ever do things with girls without having sex? The reason I'm asking is I've got a 'plate' I've banged about 5 times and I want someone to go biking with me tomorrow morning to kill some time and hang out and she's cool. I've been having a lot of sex lately though and I want to 'build up and save up' my nut for a date I have with another girl later tomorrow night, plus some other dates with other girls early this coming week.

So, I'd rather not bang this plate and retain my sexual energy for the other girls but I'd rather do something with her the early part of tomorrow instead of do it alone, like biking and a quick lunch.

Unusual question, but curious on feedback.

If the girl truly is just a ONS type of girl - then no, don't take her out, make sure she knows its strictly in the bedroom (by actions).

I have a plate that tried to lay some ground rules down, which was retarded because it was common sense, all it boiled down to was me wearing condoms. She wanted to play it cool if we fuck other people, I simply stated "don't ask, don't tell". She shutup after that.

If she's a pretty cool girl and you like just chilling with her, then go for it, go do shit and have fun.

WARNING: This is a great way to have a by default girlfriend (if she's the only one you're hanging out with).

WARNING: This is a great way for her or you to catch feelings, and it typically plays to that.

Now going out for drinks or doing something fun once in awhile isn't a bad thing, just don't make a habit of it. You'll send the wrong message.

I don't mind enjoying cool women that I'm fucking, it doesn't always have to be about fucking.


OR

Just don't hangout with this plate at all, do something else, ride solo, trying gaming female bikers, and save your nut for this next girl.

Which of course is the easiest option.