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Speculation · 07-04-2016 09:11 AM

(07-04-2016 08:50 AM)Rush87 Wrote: C'mon man, you know the answer to this one. Take a look at Brexit, take a look at Trump. The polls are nonsense... I don't know where they get their information, but it doesn't represent the reality.

I'm beginning to think that polls are doctored in a 'Tail wags Dog' sense to influence public opinion. Its easy enough by changing the poll methodology (which the general public will never investigate).

Someone else was speculating in the Brexit thread that the betting odds were being manipulated by billionaires to influence the vote.

I really don't trust anything in the media any more.

Rush87 · 07-04-2016 07:41 PM

(07-04-2016 09:11 AM)Speculation Wrote:
(07-04-2016 08:50 AM)Rush87 Wrote: C'mon man, you know the answer to this one. Take a look at Brexit, take a look at Trump. The polls are nonsense... I don't know where they get their information, but it doesn't represent the reality.

I'm beginning to think that polls are doctored in a 'Tail wags Dog' sense to influence public opinion. Its easy enough by changing the poll methodology (which the general public will never investigate).

Someone else was speculating in the Brexit thread that the betting odds were being manipulated by billionaires to influence the vote.

I really don't trust anything in the media any more.

It's certainly bizarre. The liberals used polling data as 'irrefutable proof' that Tony would have lost them the election. Voting swings suggest otherwise however.

The other aspect which was telling, were the labor primaries. They had the second lowest primary since 1949… This means they are only in the position they are in due to preferences. Nobody wanted the moderate left, Labor. Their performance was atrocious. Nobody wanted the left leaning Liberals.

Now more that ever, it suggests that a breakaway nationalist type, someone more in tune with the people would really shake things up here.

CynicalContrarian · 07-05-2016 01:00 AM

(07-03-2016 03:40 PM)Traktor Wrote: Totally missing the point. The Aboriginals certainly were not happy about being invaded by White Europeans and were in no position to fight back.

The irony here is of a White European settler to Australia complaining about 'invaders' coming to his land, a land of which he is not native to. Of course being blinded by his own ignorance doesn't help matters.

Did you notice that little thing called human history?
Pro-tip; it's filled with one group / tribe trouncing another group / tribe.

Chinese vs. Mongolians.
Mongolians vs. Europeans.
Europeans vs. Africans.
Africans vs... well, other Africans.
Etc. etc.

Besides, while others are building Great Walls Of China or Great Pyramids or Sistine Chapels.
All the while the best you can do for 40,000 years on one of the most resource rich islands on the planet, is create a bent stick to throw at kangaroo's...
Yeah, don't be surprised if that bitch 'Mother Nature' tosses you to the evolutionary garbage heap.

As for the thread at hand.
I told Malcolm Turnbull to not be a #Cuckservative...

[email protected] · 07-05-2016 01:54 AM

I actually checked out the one nation website and it said they would dissolve family courts in favour of family mediation. This alone makes them better than all the other parties. For many Australian men that get divorce raped...this is probably the answer.

~~Centurion~~ · 07-05-2016 01:58 AM

Just curious but why do people(non cucks) not like One Nation/Pauline? She seems pretty good.

~~Phoenix~~ · 07-05-2016 02:18 AM

(07-05-2016 01:00 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:
(07-03-2016 03:40 PM)Traktor Wrote: Totally missing the point. The Aboriginals certainly were not happy about being invaded by White Europeans and were in no position to fight back.

The irony here is of a White European settler to Australia complaining about 'invaders' coming to his land, a land of which he is not native to. Of course being blinded by his own ignorance doesn't help matters.

Did you notice that little thing called human history?
Pro-tip; it's filled with one group / tribe trouncing another group / tribe.

Chinese vs. Mongolians.
Mongolians vs. Europeans.
Europeans vs. Africans.
Africans vs... well, other Africans.
Etc. etc.

Besides, while others are building Great Walls Of China or Great Pyramids or Sistine Chapels.
All the while the best you can do for 40,000 years on one of the most resource rich islands on the planet, is create a bent stick to throw at kangaroo's...
Yeah, don't be surprised if that bitch 'Mother Nature' tosses you to the evolutionary garbage heap.

I read once that the Aboriginals (not sure if every tribe) didn't even develop the formal concept of conception. I.e. that it's sex that creates babies. That goes even beyond the fact that some groups don't even have native word for wheel. To some extent, we just have to accept this aspect of humanity. Some groups simply aren't as developed as others, and they'll always be pushed aside from history by a stronger more developed neighbour.

This is kind of the division between right (e.g. the average position of this forum) and far-right (nazis, muslims etc who see the world as "kill or die"). As a right-winger and libertarian, I hate the idea of war and attacking other people, pushing then off to the sidelines etc. But the fact of the matter is that is the norm of humanity. And even today, it's only the white western leftist that scoffs at that fact. As far as the history books are concerned, if things are not going your way, they're probably going against you.

The only thing that could've changed is that the East Asians colonized Australia instead of whites. Does this "white colonialism moaner" think they'd have been treated better in that case? It's just life. They were always destined to be pushed aside.

Aside from that, these "white invaders" are gone. Now we have "white lazycunts". The welfare in Australia (sit down non-aussies...) is about $250 per week. Plus you can get $100 housing allowance per week. Time limit is "as long as you're useless". These elections pan out along the same familiar lines: parasites, slaves, and politicians playing those sides. This is just another draw in a regular 4 year competition over "should the slaves be leached an extra 1% or the same amount?".

What Australia needs is a king.

[email protected] · 07-05-2016 02:23 AM

http://www.onenation.com.au/policies/family-law

My bad. It's family tribunal. Check it out:

The following principles will be adopted by One Nation to rectify unjust applications from the Family Law Court and Child Support Agency.
One Nation supports mediation.
The Family Law Court will be abolished and replaced with a Family Tribunal.
The Family Tribunal will consist of people from mainstream Australia. Respected members from local community groups encompassing health, social and community interests groups will be invited to participate.
The functions and operation of the Child Support Agency will be reviewed and extensive community consultation will occur to develop appropriate guidelines for operations.
The punitive maintenance regime will be overhauled as a matter of urgency – key factors in this review include:
A formula that recognises the new cost of maintaining two households.
A pre–determined formula for non-custodial parents that in which additional incomes for overtime or a second job do not cause maintenance payments to increase.
Recognition that a child’s standard of living following divorce cannot be maintained at it’s pre-divorce level.
A formula based on after tax income not before tax income.
New families and their needs to be recognised in maintenance schedules.
A formula that recognises the number of children, their ages and individual requirements.
Property owned prior to the relationship will remain the possession of the individual. Settlements will be based on a 50 / 50 split between partners.
Recipients of Sole Supporting Parents (SSP) benefits will require counselling and verification of a family breakdown. When the youngest child reaches school age the SSP will be required to obtain work based on job availability, opportunities and qualifications.
Protracted settlements or incidents involving violence or abuse will be dealt with in the respective courts. Both parties will be entitled to legal aid and the unsuccessful party will pay the costs. Perjury charges will be enforced in court.
Joint custody is the option of choice for ONE Nation. It gives recognition to the vital role both parents have in relationships with their children. Joint custody can provide some stability in an environment that is otherwise turbulent for children.
Ideally the same case managers will work with families from entry to exit. Denied access will be referred to the case manager for immediate investigation. Three denied access visits will result in the non-custodial parent and custodial parent facing the tribunal to discuss shifting custodial arrangements.
Family centres will be developed and these centres will manage the family tribunals and associated support services including counselling, life style management, parenting plans, preparation with self representation and advocacy support. The family tribunals will be able to conduct a country circuit.
National Forums will be organised throughout Australia to identify family needs and identify community solutions that will assist in strengthening and maintaining the family unit. Responses to the forum will be pro-active and urgently address legislative inadequacies.

Leonard D Neubache · 07-05-2016 03:37 AM

(07-05-2016 01:58 AM)Centurion Wrote: Just curious but why do people(non cucks) not like One Nation/Pauline? She seems pretty good.

A lot of guys I know were blue pill when she first took to the stage and they only really remember her in the context of their blue pill days as the horrible racist bogan that the media ceaselessly portrayed her as.

Whether her platform has altered considerably is beyond me. She's not really on my political radar. But I've had several conversations where people my age expressed a dislike for her and I asked them "why?"

They took a moment and realised for themselves that not only did they have no idea what her politics were these days, but their own politics had changed so much that there was no reason to assume they weren't in her camp by default.

With the Chinese driving up property prices and pricing new families out of the housing market, suddenly her "rampant xenophobia" doesn't seem so ridiculous to the purple-pill couples coming to grips with the causes as to why they'll never own their own home.

glugger · 07-05-2016 04:12 AM

With the possibility of a hung parliament becoming ever more likely, What are your opinions on that outcome?

Is it good or bad? Will it have any real effect on changing how parliament works?

I have only heard doom and gloom about a hung parliament in the media, without giving any reasons, so naturally I assume that the opposite is true.

KeeperNine · 07-05-2016 04:18 AM

The key reason that I'm not completely sold on Pauline Hanson's One Nation is Pauline Hanson.
She's a woman.
Political movements headed by women always raise my skepticism.

That being said I was personally heavily involved in One Nation's election campaign, the seat I'm in garnered the highest One Nation primary vote in the country - only 1% behind the ALP.
I've met and talked to Ms Hanson multiple times, she's bought me a beer and I've attempted to flirt with her heh. She comes across as of only average intelligence, she has fixed talking points and doesn't adjust easily to curveballs or topics she hasn't rehearsed. She is however a solid beginning of a nationalist resurgence in Oz, there are other better options out there, but she rides in on her unbeatable (in)fame.

She won't last long however.
I've witnessed first hand the workings of her campaign and directly at the centre of it as her right-hand-man is no other than James Ashby.
The Slipper Scandal James Ashby.
He's a snake of a homo (he's actually a homo) with an extremely questionable past and huge ambitions. I've studied his involvement in the Slipper Scandal, how he entered the political ring and there are many similarities with what he is currently doing.
Ms Hanson has given him a pivotal role and made him near irreplaceable in the campaign, not to mention he is highly charismatic and loyalties around the office often align with him rather than Pauline. When he does whatever it is he is going to do it will very possibly destroy One Nation.

Leonard D Neubache · 07-05-2016 04:37 AM

^Interesting insight, KeeperNine.

(07-05-2016 04:12 AM)glugger Wrote: With the possibility of a hung parliament becoming ever more likely, What are your opinions on that outcome?

Is it good or bad? Will it have any real effect on changing how parliament works?

I have only heard doom and gloom about the a hung parliament in the media, without giving any reasons, so naturally I assume that the opposite is true.

A hung parliament can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on what you want. The Liberals seem poised to cross the line, albeit barely. They will be able to Govern but this is likely to be a fatally poor outcome for the backstabber Turnbull.

The senate will be in the hands of the independents who will be justifiably hostile to Turnbull, who tried to put some of them out of a job by altering the electoral process.

So what we're looking at here is three years of nada. Zip. Zilch. Nothing. The Libs will be able to call the day to day shots but passing any meaningful legislation will have a snowball's chance in hell.

Of course if the Libs knife Turnbull then things might change. And all this is on the assumption that there isn't some wildly unanticipated result regarding the seats that are still being counted.

Tex Cruise · 07-05-2016 05:03 AM

(07-05-2016 04:18 AM)KeeperNine Wrote: I've met and talked to Ms Hanson multiple times, she's bought me a beer and I've attempted to flirt with her heh.

glugger · 07-05-2016 05:04 AM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-elect...6/results/

Still super close. Libs have 70, compared to Labor's 67, with 8 seats in doubt. But according to that site 5 of those 8 seats are favouring labor. It's gonna be tough to scrape together the 76 needed.

KeeperNine · 07-05-2016 05:21 AM

I'm hoping that the LNP fall one short in numbers and Bob Katter makes up the last spot. With his end of the bargain being an end of the outrageous foreign ownership going on that he's been so vocal about.

Katter;
"If you want your whole country owned by foreigners then vote for the ALP and LNP because they're the people that have already sold all your mines, all your sugar mills, all your dairy factories."

"What will we Australians be left with?

"As some kind of modern day serfs with increasingly lower wage levels for some foreign landlord."

KeeperNine · 07-05-2016 05:22 AM

(07-05-2016 05:03 AM)Tex Cruise Wrote:
(07-05-2016 04:18 AM)KeeperNine Wrote: I've met and talked to Ms Hanson multiple times, she's bought me a beer and I've attempted to flirt with her heh.

There would be more copper wire down there than the floor of a sparkies van.

RaccoonFace · 07-05-2016 09:56 AM

Why do the Australians in this thread hate One Nation? I don't quite understand, they seem to have been the only genuine right-wing party in the last 2 decades.

Can someone explain their decline?
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dasher · 07-05-2016 10:19 AM

Pauline Hanson went to jail in 2003 (for a year) and generally faded from the public eye.

This removed the figurehead from the One Nation party so the party became smaller and less able to get votes.

This was part of a focused attack from many in the Liberal party to take her & the One Nation party out.

http://www.smh.com.au/specials/abbottaffair/

Rush87 · 07-05-2016 10:51 AM

(07-05-2016 09:56 AM)RaccoonFace Wrote: Why do the Australians in this thread hate One Nation? I don't quite understand, they seem to have been the only genuine right-wing party in the last 2 decades.

Can someone explain their decline?

As was stated earlier, most people were either kids, or blue pill teens last time Pauline Hanson was a name in politics. They would have no doubt been told that she was a racist bigot KKK member… [In fact there was even a Pauline Hanson song that went to number 1 or 2 on our charts].

Further, most people would likely have no clue of her policies because A.) they are never spoken about by the media, and B.) Her party will never really have an impact on the countries direction, so people don't really bother to learn what their policies are.

Re: The decline. It's relatively simple. Both our major political parties drift further left every year [As does society], but One Nation has remained the same in their view point. The party was considered racist and right wing years ago, and now it would be considered 'Literally like Hitler'...

Que enspastic · 07-05-2016 02:31 PM

Australian politics in deadlock

StrikeBack · 07-05-2016 08:55 PM

One Nation is not Australia's only right-wing party, far from it. They're a retarded party with lots of dodgy dealings, and it is not blue-pilled to say they're a bunch of stupid racists. For all Pauline Hanson's whinging about Asians, they have contributed greatly to Australia. On average, Asians pay more in tax and take the least from welfare than just about any other group, and also assimilate far better. The latest diatribes from One Nation et al about Chinese nationals buying properties in Australia are misguided. It is the party in power, run by whites selling out their own country, that they should be directed towards. The Chinese are only buying what Australia is selling. One Nation also bitched about Asian international students, forgetting that they come with tons of money to boost the Australian economy, while generally not being able to get most student discounts, and these days they tend to leave after graduation. And let's not forget that Asian women help greatly bring down the BMI and weight average of Australian women. Without them, the average Australian woman will not be 74kg, you'd be looking more at 84kg+.

Pauline Hanson is not a misunderstood, politically incorrect genius. She's just a racist retard.

There are better ring-wing parties, albeit they're very small. This is one that I voted for, and they're almost like a Trump-style party:

http://australianlibertyalliance.org.au/...e-policies

I also like and voted for the Australian Christians party.

I remember from the first election I voted in (back in 2001) I was pretty much center left socially, and center right economically. I don't think I've changed much, but now with Australia moving so far left, on the recent ABC Vote Compass, I have become a far right voter.

Unfortunately the Greens are going to win my seat though.

I think there will be a second election very soon, with the deadlock we have at the moment.

Sweet Jones · 07-05-2016 09:58 PM

I'm 25, so last time Hanson (her and the boy band I guess) was big I was like 8-10

As StrikeBack said, her comments against Asians are stupid. We don't have a 'floodgates opened' type situation with Asian immigrants, the immigration process is selective, we get their best. They give more to society than they take from it.

Aside from this, she's an idiot. I'm not basing that on her policy but the simple fact that she is of midling intelligence and for every good cause she advocates, she taints that cause with her stupid presentation in the public eye. Just watch any of her TV appearances - the moment something is raised she wasn't prepared for she falls apart. What I am trying to say is that due to her stupidity and personality, her advocacy is actually a detriment to the causes she advocates.

Rush87 · 07-05-2016 10:16 PM

(07-05-2016 08:55 PM)StrikeBack Wrote: One Nation is not Australia's only right-wing party, far from it. They're a retarded party with lots of dodgy dealings, and it is not blue-pilled to say they're a bunch of stupid racists. For all Pauline Hanson's whinging about Asians, they have contributed greatly to Australia.

I don't actually think she is a racist. Honestly I just think she's just a bit dumb. I do think however most people were blue pilled when she was last around, disliking her, not due to the fact that her policies are a bit of a retarded mess, but more due to the fact that she was perceived to be the apex of racism.

I think at the core, her party are a bunch of people who realise the nation has been sold down the river, but they aren't quite sure who to blame.

Take the Chinese issue, her party blame the Chinese for buying up our property, and she's right in that they are, but wrong in who she's blaming. At a geopolitical level, of course China are trying to gain as much territory as possible… Heck, they are fuelling a Sudanese Genocide to claim valuable oil and territory in Africa… It's all just political posturing.

The reality is that China are winning, and we are losing. As you said, she should be blaming globalist politicians for selling us down the river.

Re: Chinese immigrants - They were the best we ever had. Coming across from the start of the Gold Rush, there are Chinese who are more Australian than many Australians. Where they fucked up with immigration, was once they started to bring our ideological polar opposites across from Islamic states.

Que enspastic · 07-06-2016 01:11 AM

What happened to Turnbull? When he first became Liberal leader he was seen as a shoe in to beat Shorten in an election

CynicalContrarian · 07-06-2016 01:56 AM

(07-06-2016 01:11 AM)Que enspastic Wrote: What happened to Turnbull? When he first became Liberal leader he was seen as a shoe in to beat Shorten in an election

Cuckservative of the Australian variety.

StrikeBack · 07-06-2016 01:57 AM

We don't vote for just the party leader, we vote for the party. And the LNP is not seen as that much better than Labor at the moment.

If the votes had been for Turnbull vs Shorten, he would've won in a landslide.

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