Post: #76

Taking sweepstakes on the issue being spun as gun control.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

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(06-12-2016 09:53 AM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  I agree. However, he needs to be smart in his approach. The killer has been a US citizen for many years, so it wasn't like he came here as a refugee. Becoming radicalized is the issue.

Trump has said he wants a complete ban on all Muslim immigration, until we can figure out what is going on. This may entail figuring out why Muslims move here and become radicalized.

I think we all have an inkling as to why, but he is the only presidential candidate who has put forth this type of idea.

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(06-12-2016 10:03 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 10:01 AM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ Have you ever been in a crowded club? What do you think would happen if someone had a machine gun and people were trampling each other?

Yeah, the fact that anyone was left alive at all speaks only to his incompetence, not his "training."

Exactly. Watching the video and hearing how many shots were fired, I'm surprised the number isn't higher.

Post: #80

Florida Imam comments on shooting at press conference

UNBELIEVABLE. These people have no shame.

Before the blood has even been cleaned off the streets, an Imam is at the site talking to people about "not rushing to conclusions."

It's like bringing a Nazi over to Auschwitz to discuss the holocaust, and trying to convince people Hitler had nothing to do with it... let's not jump to conclusions.

Post: #81

^ Jesus ( I was replying to the gif Dusty put up of that tweet by the lady saying all hate is "misogynist, etc....but for some reason, it didn't show here)

Any crime by an Islamic fundo or someone "leaning that way" is a hate crime whether it's a gay club or not.

These guys are so full of hate toward anything not radical Islam that they commit their acts of terror.

It's an ideology, as we all know, fueled by hate. It's actually more of a "hate war" that's going on.

Some of these weirdos can't get laid, some of these weirdos have never heard or explored any other philosophies or world histories or anything academic in their lives other than the Quaran or what their "mullahs" have told them or what they've watched on the internet, therefore they're single minded , narrow and incorrect view of the world results in shit like this, or Paris, or the recent California deal et al.

ISIS needs to be killed off by our military, Trump's plan to ban new Muslims from coming into the country needs to be put in place, the hate-spewing Mosques in the US need to be shut down and their leaders expelled, and weirdos like this guy whom the FBI get leads on need to be kicked the F.O. or trailed and surveillanced.

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(06-12-2016 10:04 AM)lex the impaler Wrote:  Just in time for Obama to pass one last executive order? Saw a snapchat by some bros outside the club. Seen looked rather scary. Didn't sound like automatic fire, but he was firing them off rather quickly. Now they're striking the heartland.

It was probably a semi-auto assault rifle with a large magazine, and not full auto. He can just pop them off as fast as he could pull the trigger repeatedly, which is likely slower than the gas-reloading system can operate.

In a packed nightclub it hardly matters, in fact you might speculate that semi-auto fire could be deadlier at close range, as it conserves ammunition and allows the perp to put one bullet in a critical area for each target.

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Because it's Sunday morning people are being slow to realize the magnitude of what just happened.

This is the worst terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11. More than 50 dead, scores injured. The attacker was an Islamic terrorist and he attacked a gay night club where people were just dancing and having a good time.

This will have enormous consequences. Remember what Trump said about the downed Egyptian plane:

When will we get tough, smart and vigilant? Great hate and sickness!

MANY more normal people will start seeing this great hate and sickness. The fact that he was a US citizen doesn't change the basic realities.

Post: #84

Saddened, sickened, and disgusted.

There are a lot of governments around the world who thought they could make use of Islamist fanatics for their own purposes. They supplied, them, nurtured them, covered for them, and egged them on to attack secular governments that don't follow the West's orders. And they're still doing it now in Syria and Iraq.

Almost all of those rebel groups in Syria/Iraq are Islamist ideologues of one stripe or another: ISIS is the worst, of course, but the others (e.g., Jebhat an-Nusra) are not far behind. They are being supplied in one way or another by Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and a few other states in the region. We (the US) provide diplomatic cover for them. So we are indirectly colluding with them, despite our pretenses to the contrary.

And these groups have tentacles all over Europe and North America. These people subscribe to a virulent ideology that can spread very easily in today's alienated environment for young men.

When are we going to learn? You can't make deals with these people, support them, and hope they will do your bidding. We never learned in the 1980s when we supported those mujahedeen to screw over the Soviets.

And now the neocons have conned everyone into believing we should support them now, under the false assumption that we can control them.

You can't.

I'm just disgusted by the whole thing.

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(06-12-2016 09:54 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  Never seen so many well-dressed bodies being put into ambulances

Live news just said they have not removed any of the bodies, yet a live helicopter shot now does not show a single ambulance outside.

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It will end up being far more than 50 dead. over 50 wounded with only a few doctors who've already been at the hospital for over 10 hours or whatever.

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(06-12-2016 10:09 AM)AFS Wrote:  UNBELIEVABLE. These people have no shame.

Before the blood has even been cleaned off the streets, an Imam is at the site talking to people about "not rushing to conclusions."

I realize it's a quote of a quote of a quote, but still as relevant as ever:

Quote:Mark Steyn in 2006:
I believe the old definition of a nanosecond was the gap between a New York traffic light changing to green and the first honk of a driver behind you. Today, the definition of a nanosecond is the gap between a western terrorist incident and the press release of a Muslim lobby group warning of an impending outbreak of Islamophobia. After the London Tube bombings, Angus Jung sent the Aussie pundit Tim Blair a note-perfect parody of the typical newspaper headline:

British Muslims Fear Repercussions Over Tomorrow’s Train Bombing.

Post: #88

Which flag do I need to put over my Facebook?

Post: #89

Father says that his son was driven to do this because of seeing lots of gay guys kissing in Miami

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(06-12-2016 10:00 AM)etwsake Wrote:  Why do people immediately jump to false flag accusations?

This shit is real. It HAPPENS. One guy with one gun and enough ammunition can and did kill or wound over 100 unarmed people in an enclosed space.

There's been an increasing trend towards paranoia and conspiracy theories on this forum. Have to say nearly all have practically zero evidence to back them up.

Hilariously, as I browsed through the thread there was a WW3 quote above. I don't even have to google it, just by reading it I'm 99% sure it's a hoax.

But this is a sad day, while I disagree with gays and their lifestyles nobody deserves this type of violence. This is a disgusting act.

Post: #91

I don't think this guy is an Islamic terrorist he could just be anti gay, his father says he was triggered because his young son saw two men kiss. At this point in time anything could be true and most of what you read or hear regarding motive is just speculation.

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(06-12-2016 10:14 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  It will end up being far more than 50 dead. over 50 wounded with only a few doctors who've already been at the hospital for over 10 hours or whatever.

Many of the wounded will likely survive, as it was straightforward to get to them within the "golden hour."

If the primary hospitals in the area can't accommodate the volume (which by the look of things they can't) the the most critical have been/will be airlifted to other trauma centers all over the state.

Likely some very busy chopper jocks today.

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^ The rainbow ISIS flag with some blood stains.

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You know When You've Become a True RVFer when...

A catastrophe happens in the country/world and you quickly log in knowing RVF will come up with the facts faster than any other type of media.

Post: #96

Now that Americans are finally being killed, instead of Middle Eastern Christians, or Europeans, the American public is going to be paying attention to Islam in a a big, big way, just like they did after 9/11.

Americans are going to understand this isn't just a war against a country (like Iraq or Afghanistan), but a war between cultures.

Post: #97

His religion commanded him to do it. The fact that no other religions have similar commandments is irrelevant.

Quote:Abu Dawud (4462) - The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Lot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.".

Quote:Abu Dawud (4448) - "If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death." (Note the implicit approval of sodomizing one's wife).

Quote:al-Tirmidhi, Sunan 1:152 - [Muhammad said] "Whoever is found conducting himself in the manner of the people of Lot, kill the doer and the receiver."

("People of Lot" refers to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, as it does in the Old Testament).

Post: #98

This confirms my long suspected belief that Muslims rank higher than gays on the progressive protection-scale.

The more dangerous a group, the more protected they are by progressives.

Muslims are dangerous, gays are safe.

Post: #99

(06-12-2016 10:19 AM)Horus Wrote:  His religion commanded him to do it. The fact that no other religions have similar commandments is irrelevant.

Leviticus 20:13

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(06-12-2016 10:16 AM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  I don't think this guy is an Islamic terrorist ...