Post: #126

Even the Dalai Lama has said that Westerners should not convert.

With your friend it sounds like he was "trying" too hard and that's actually part of the problem.

Anyone read much Thomas Merton? He was a Catholic monk influenced by eastern thought.

Post: #127

(05-18-2016 11:21 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  Even the Dalai Lama has said that Westerners should not convert.

With your friend it sounds like he was "trying" too hard and that's actually part of the problem.

Anyone read much Thomas Merton? He was a Catholic monk influenced by eastern thought.

You might be right. I hope you're wrong though. I liked my interpretation better, that Buddhists are so sensitive and fair that they can give people spiritual direction, even if it leads away from their beliefs.

Post: #128

(05-18-2016 10:56 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  I think there actually were some Tibetan guerilla fighter groups funded by the CIA.

So was the Dalai Lama. There was a geopolitical angle, but there also was a domestic cultural agenda that was particularly active in the 1960s, when eastern religions were pushed as the spiritual side of the hippie/counterculture movement along with the drugs as a powerful vehicle to subvert traditional American culture. This was the inflexion point on that cultural degeneracy curve.

Post: #129

The 1960's counterculure is just one point when interest in Eastern religions grew (and a rather clichéd one...cue the sitars), but there has been a lot that happened beforehand between East and West. Schopenhauer, the New England Transcendentalists, Carl Jung, all were influenced. The Razor's Edge came out in 1944.

Post: #130

Right, Rex, and before that with Theosophy and Helena Blavatsky in the 1870s, I think she was the first major importer of eastern mysticism in the West.

She was a full-blown luciferian of course, her foundation was called ISIS, and their main publication, Lucifer. The cult of Isis was actually spread out in western Europe in pre-christian times. Pagan, yes, but semitic, not indo-european.

The name of Paris itself derives from Bar-Isis, or the bark (ship) of Isis (due to the city being originally located on an island in the Seine River). Other cities in the region were also devoted to the cult of Isis, including Issy-les-Moulinaux. The arms of the city of Paris feature a boat on the river. After the Revolution, which was violently anti-Christian (hundreds of thousands of members of the clergy, aristocrats and commoners were ruthlessly exterminated by the Jacobins*), egyptian godess Isis was placed on the boat in the arms of Paris, harking back to the original name of bark of Isis:



Notre Dame church in Paris was the site of a former pagan temple devoted to the cult of Isis, it was lined up on an axis corresponding to to the heliacal rising of Sirius (hence the positioning of the star on the flag above**). Europe became Christian with the faith migrating north from Rome in the 4th-5th centuries. Pagan forces like the Knight Templars (who were crypto anti-Christian luciferians) were simmering in the background, waging centuries long battle against Christianity. They've had the upper hand for the past few decades with Catholicism mostly subverted and neutralized.


*this was the original model for the great communist purges which took place two centuries later in the Soviet Union, red China and Khmer Rouge Cambodia

**that is most likely the origin and meaning of the star positioned in the upper left corner of flags like those of the State of California, China and the USSR.

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Post: #132

It seems that the city of Paris is named for the Parisii tribe of Celts and whether they had a connection to Isis worship is up for some debate. But regardless, sticking with Buddhism, we should discuss the connection with theosophy and New Age which borrow from it.

Western Buddhist Review Wrote:Helena Petrova Blavatsky and Colonel Henry Steel Olcott, took the three refuges and the five precepts from a Buddhist priest in a temple in Galle, a coastal town in Sri Lanka, before a large crowd of Sinhalese. 'When we had finished the last of the Silas and offered flowers in the customary way', Olcott wrote in his diary, 'there was a mighty shout to make one's nerves tingle'.1

He and Blavatsky were the founders of the Theosophical Society, one of the most influential religious movements of the late 19th Century and in this ceremony Olcott became the first American and Blavatsky the first European 2 formally to convert to Buddhism. The twin legacies of Theosophy are the introduction of Buddhism to the West and the amorphous set of beliefs and practices which have come to be known as 'the New Age'.

Buddhism and the New Age have been associated ever since, converging spectacularly in the counter-cultural movements of the 1960's. In a recent paper Denise Cush concludes that 'there is a close, entangled and ambiguous relationship between British Buddhism and the New Age' which 'can be traced back to a common ancestor in Theosophy'.3 This entanglement has led to popular identifications of Buddhism as a part of the same movement as the New Age; the assumption on the part of many 'New Age' people that Buddhism supports their views; and the subtle influence of New Age attitudes and assumptions on Buddhists' understanding of their own tradition.

Nonetheless, Buddhism and the New Age are very different. They have emerged from very different histories, travelling on different historical trajectories and based on different philosophical assumptions. Cush identifies a changing relationship over the last two decades between British Buddhist groups and New Age activities from 'closeness to a conscious differentiation, followed by a diversification of approaches'. The initial closeness derived from the influence of the counter-cultural trends of the 1960s is thrusting both Buddhism and the New Age to prominence. The period of separation occurred as Buddhists sought, in the 1970s and 1980s to establish their own identity. But by the 1990s alienation from conventional religion, party politics and the conditions of consumer-capitalist society have generated renewed interest in both movements throwing them together once more.

http://www.westernbuddhistreview.com/vol1/new_age.html

Post: #133

Buddhism has nothing to do with the New Age. The hippies of the 60s took Buddhism and created a fantasy that confirmed their own biases. The Western Buddhist journals never seem to mention the right-wing intellectuals who wrote about Buddhism.

Julius Evola, was a right wing traditionalist in the 1940s who wrote a masterful text on Buddhism: "The Doctrine of Awakening".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doctrine_of_Awakening

Post: #134

I agree. But we shouldn't use these associations to evaluate it in either direction. Whether Eastern philosophies can be associated with New Age hippy chicks, or German philosophers, or some occultists who borrowed from them. We should try and go beyond that and look at things on their own merit.

Lots of different groups/cults take older traditions and wrap themselves up in them.

Post: #135

(05-19-2016 11:26 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  I agree. But we shouldn't use these associations to evaluate it in either direction. Whether Eastern philosophies can be associated with New Age hippy chicks, or German philosophers, or some occultists who borrowed from them. We should try and go beyond that and look at things on their own merit.

Lots of different groups/cults take older traditions and wrap themselves up in them.

That's right. Whenever we read a book in English about Buddhism, what we are getting is one Westerner's interpretation of an Eastern religion. What we read tells us more about the author than the actual religion. The hippies saw Buddhism as compassion. Evola said the focus of Buddhism was about liberation and compassion was used only as a tool to attain liberation. Schopenhauer saw pessimism, when Buddhists are actually quite optimistic. Alan Watts saw the bizarre when Buddhism strives to be ordinary.

Post: #136

(05-18-2016 10:12 PM)911 Wrote:  Right, Rex, and before that with Theosophy and Helena Blavatsky in the 1870s, I think she was the first major importer of eastern mysticism in the West.

She was a full-blown luciferian of course, her foundation was called ISIS, and their main publication, Lucifer. The cult of Isis was actually spread out in western Europe in pre-christian times. Pagan, yes, but semitic, not indo-european.

The name of Paris itself derives from Bar-Isis, or the bark (ship) of Isis (due to the city being originally located on an island in the Seine River). Other cities in the region were also devoted to the cult of Isis, including Issy-les-Moulinaux. The arms of the city of Paris feature a boat on the river. After the Revolution, which was violently anti-Christian (hundreds of thousands of members of the clergy, aristocrats and commoners were ruthlessly exterminated by the Jacobins*), egyptian godess Isis was placed on the boat in the arms of Paris, harking back to the original name of bark of Isis:

Notre Dame church in Paris was the site of a former pagan temple devoted to the cult of Isis, it was lined up on an axis corresponding to to the heliacal rising of Sirius (hence the positioning of the star on the flag above**). Europe became Christian with the faith migrating north from Rome in the 4th-5th centuries. Pagan forces like the Knight Templars (who were crypto anti-Christian luciferians) were simmering in the background, waging centuries long battle against Christianity. They've had the upper hand for the past few decades with Catholicism mostly subverted and neutralized.


*this was the original model for the great communist purges which took place two centuries later in the Soviet Union, red China and Khmer Rouge Cambodia

**that is most likely the origin and meaning of the star positioned in the upper left corner of flags like those of the State of California, China and the USSR.

What the hell is going on with this post?

1) Helena Balavatsky's foundation was called the Theosophical Society.

2) Paris is named after the Parisii tribe of Gaul. Issy-les-Moulineaux comes from Medieval Latin Issiacum.

3) The boat on the Parisian coat of arms represents the boatsmen corporation guild from the middle ages, the Marchands de l'eau.

4) Notre Dame was built on the site of an old Catholic church, Saint-Etienne.

5) The goddess on the original Parisian eustacheon is Isis, and the star is Sirius. But Notre Dame cathedral's location and layout has no cosmological significance.

6) The Jacobin terror was hardly the "original model" for later communist purges-- these societies had seen purges long before the French Revolution.

7) The star on the flag of California represents California's independence from Mexico. The red star was created by communists and represents global Communism.

This thread is strange. Who's been fucking with my medicine?

Post: #137

(05-19-2016 12:55 PM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 10:12 PM)911 Wrote:  Right, Rex, and before that with Theosophy and Helena Blavatsky in the 1870s, I think she was the first major importer of eastern mysticism in the West.

She was a full-blown luciferian of course, her foundation was called ISIS, and their main publication, Lucifer. The cult of Isis was actually spread out in western Europe in pre-christian times. Pagan, yes, but semitic, not indo-european.

The name of Paris itself derives from Bar-Isis, or the bark (ship) of Isis (due to the city being originally located on an island in the Seine River). Other cities in the region were also devoted to the cult of Isis, including Issy-les-Moulinaux. The arms of the city of Paris feature a boat on the river. After the Revolution, which was violently anti-Christian (hundreds of thousands of members of the clergy, aristocrats and commoners were ruthlessly exterminated by the Jacobins*), egyptian godess Isis was placed on the boat in the arms of Paris, harking back to the original name of bark of Isis:

Notre Dame church in Paris was the site of a former pagan temple devoted to the cult of Isis, it was lined up on an axis corresponding to to the heliacal rising of Sirius (hence the positioning of the star on the flag above**). Europe became Christian with the faith migrating north from Rome in the 4th-5th centuries. Pagan forces like the Knight Templars (who were crypto anti-Christian luciferians) were simmering in the background, waging centuries long battle against Christianity. They've had the upper hand for the past few decades with Catholicism mostly subverted and neutralized.


*this was the original model for the great communist purges which took place two centuries later in the Soviet Union, red China and Khmer Rouge Cambodia

**that is most likely the origin and meaning of the star positioned in the upper left corner of flags like those of the State of California, China and the USSR.

What the hell is going on with this post?

1) Helena Balavatsky's foundation was called the Theosophical Society.

2) Paris is named after the Parisii tribe of Gaul. Issy-les-Moulineaux comes from Medieval Latin Issiacum.

3) The boat on the Parisian coat of arms represents the boatsmen corporation guild from the middle ages, the Marchands de l'eau.

4) Notre Dame was built on the site of an old Catholic church, Saint-Etienne.

5) The goddess on the original Parisian eustacheon is Isis, and the star is Sirius. But Notre Dame cathedral's location and layout has no cosmological significance.

6) The Jacobin terror was hardly the "original model" for later communist purges-- these societies had seen purges long before the French Revolution.

7) The star on the flag of California represents California's independence from Mexico. The red star was created by communists and represents global Communism.

This thread is strange. Who's been fucking with my medicine?

Quote:1) Helena Balavatsky's foundation was called the Theosophical Society.

Blavatsky's main book is "Isis Unveiled", her main publication, that of the Theosophical Society, is a revue called "Lucifer", which as started a century ago by Blavatska's main disciple, Alice Bailey, and is still published today by the I.S.I.S. Foundation (I kid you not.)

http://www.blavatskyhouse.org/magazine

The ISIS Foundation changed its name recently to some more palatable stupid-sounding new age name.

The real scoop on lesbo hag "Madame" Blavatska:

http://www.equalparenting-bc.ca/news/bla...osophy.htm


"Christians have it all backwards – that Satan is good, and God is evil." Blavatska

Quote:2) Paris is named after the Parisii tribe of Gaul. Issy-les-Moulineaux comes from Medieval Latin Issiacum.
3) The boat on the Parisian coat of arms represents the boatsmen corporation guild from the middle ages, the Marchands de l'eau.
4) Notre Dame was built on the site of an old Catholic church, Saint-Etienne.
5) The goddess on the original Parisian eustacheon is Isis, and the star is Sirius. But Notre Dame cathedral's location and layout has no cosmological significance.

You're wrong, you just haven't looked deep enough (don't blame you as the truth is burried pretty deep). If you read French, here's one book by french historian Jean Nicolas Déal on the subject of the Parisii and their cult of Isis:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=NlT78rq...edir_esc=y

This is one of many serious sources that establishes the origin of Paris and the Parisii as Par-Isis or bark of Isis. The cult of Isis came to the Gauls and other northern tribes through Phoenician traders who sailed the Atlantic and imported tin from Europe, well before the Roman invasion of N/W Europe.

Other sources:
http://secretebase.free.fr/complots/edif.../paris.htm
http://gnosticwarrior.com/the-parisii-of-isis.html

http://www.parislogue.com/travel-tips/is...donna.html
According to De Breuil, a statue of Isis existed in the Abbey of St. Germain-des-Pres, Paris as late as 1514, when it was ordered broken by Cardinal Briconnet.”
“The worship of Isis spread through the remainder of Europe and into Asiatic Russia. Ancient statuettes of her have been found in Northern France, in the the Rhineland, and on the Moselle. Her temples were in all that region as well as in Britain. She is believed to have a temple in Paris, and another nearby at Melun.”

Melun, home of the brie cheese, is near Issy.

And Notre Dame, as well as Saint-Germain-des-Près abbey were built on the sites of temples dedicated to Isis.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vierge_noi...3.A0_Paris

En 1705, l’urbaniste français De Lamare dressa le plan de la ville de Paris et y mentionna des temples d’Isis en lieu et place de l’abbaye de Saint-Germain-des-Près et de la Cathédrale de Notre-Dame. Ce fait fut encore confirmé par le père Jean du Breul qui dans son ouvrage Théâtres des antiquités de Paris publié en 1639 dit ceci : « Au lieu où le roi Childebert fit construire à l’église de Saint-Vincent, à présent dite de Saint-Germain-des-Près et à laquelle il donna son fief d’Issy, la commune opinion est qu’il y avait un temple d’Isis, femme d’Osiris

Notre Dame de Paris is laid out on an axis pointing to the heliacal rising of Sirius. The Grande Arche, which was built by president Mitterand, is slightly off that axis which runs from the Louvre through the Arc de Triomphe along that same axis pointed towards Sirius, because it points to the Temple of Dendera, which is the birthplace of the cult of Isis.

https://youtu.be/oXjOoBiXLF0?t=4m26s

Incidentally, Pennsylvania Avenue in DC shares the same orientation towards Sirius as Notre Dame and the Champs-Elysées, as DC was also laid out by Masons. The episode from the series linked above on DC is worth watching, it's one of the best works on the occult cosmology of the District's urban layout.

Post: #138

Quote:6) The Jacobin terror was hardly the "original model" for later communist purges-- these societies had seen purges long before the French Revolution.

There were purges in history, but none followed the same pattern established by the Grande Terreur of the French Revolution. The Bolcheviks basically applied the same pattern of class genocide and repression that the Jacobins, led by Robespierre and Babeuf, inflicted on the french people. The word "genocide" first appeared to describe the massacres of the Vendee, where the french red army exterminated up to 300,000 people, some chemically through gas chambers.

The purges of the USSR and red China, which totaled well over 100 million and up to 150 million victims, were the vastest and most cruel massacres in the history of mankind.

Pol Pot was trained in France, and was influenced by the works of François-Noël Babeuf, who was the father of modern communism before Marx or Engels, and advocated terror and genocides to obliterate the old regime and achieve his communist ideal:

"Society must be made to operate in such a way that it eradicates once and for all the desire of a man to become richer, or wiser, or more powerful than others."

Pol Pot's body count was "only" 2 million, but that was nearly half the population, and his post-genocidal society might have been the closest to the Babeuf communist ideal a modern society has ever come. It was arguably the worst and cruelest genocide of all time, brought by the french masonic revolutionary "enlightenment", such a great gift to humanity...

Post: #139

This Dan Brown / Graham Hancock type history is very interesting but I don't think it has much to do with Buddhism.

The "enlightenment" in Buddhism and the European Enlightenment are two entirely different things.

Post: #140

(05-20-2016 06:21 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  The "enlightenment" in Buddhism and the European Enlightenment are two entirely different things.

They did become conflated in the West with the introduction of eastern religions by the likes of Blavatska, who were the main vectors of western Buddhism, and who were agents of the same forces that unleashed class struggle and the destruction of Christianity in the West through bloody revolutions, world wars, generational cultural subversion and social engineering campaigns.

I do understand that the link is not very easy to see, as it is hidden by design. Of course those issues don't pertain to eastern Buddhism per se, but they are part of the imported version.

The main headquarters of the Theosophical Society in Adyar near Chennai in India, an expensive, sprawling estate, was purchased and offered by the Rothschilds.

Emblem of Theosophical Society Adyar

One of the main centers of Buddhism in America is in Crestone, CO, where there are several vast estates that were bankrolled by Maurice Strong, UN undersecretary and CEO of Power Corp, founder of Petro Canada and one of the main architects of the global warming cap and trade/world taxation system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crestone,_...al_centers

https://www.corbettreport.com/meet-mauri...mentalist/

Post: #141

There should be a thread called "Buddhism discussion: No evangelicals allowed"

Post: #142

Quote:the destruction of Christianity in the West through bloody revolutions, world wars, generational cultural subversion and social engineering campaigns

There's another thread to discuss that topic:

/thread-46664.html

Post: #143

(05-20-2016 11:27 AM)Orion Wrote:  There should be a thread called "Buddhism discussion: No evangelicals allowed"

Word. Thread has gone to complete shit. What are we even discussing about now?

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Post: #145

A long time ago I read an essay, in Harpers, I think, written by an Indian guru who had come to the United States, describing the difference between teaching Indians and Americans about spiritual things. Here, basically, is what he said:

I am like a pharmacist. People are sick, so they come to me, and I give them the pills they need. That is what I do. When I come to the United States, people act like we are all pharmacists together, sitting around, discussing the effects of various pills.

It would be nice to hear a report from someone who has simply practiced Buddhism, no more, and can tell us what it was like, without having to back it up with detailed history or in depth advanced theology, or stories of having lived in China during the most interesting time in the world.

I haven't done this yet, although, to contribute something to the discussion, on a recent episode of the Greg Fitzsimmons podcast, the guest, Neal Brennan, described a retreat he went on at a Meditation Center in Northern California where he wasn't allowed to talk for a week (Starts at about 2:30):

http://gregfitz.libsyn.com/the-return-of-neal-brennan



http://www.spiritrock.org/about

Interesting to hear things just from an individual person's experience, and not from a more theoretical, structural perspective.

Post: #146

If you do a forum search for "mindfulness" and "meditation" you'll pull up some threads on it.

Some forum members have gone on those S.N. Goenka retreats.

Post: #147

When I was a kid I took an interesting in Buddhism, like all kids, and really wanted it to work for me but I came to the realization that I simply am not an old, enlightened soul, like everyone thinks of themselves, but I'm too materialistic and concerned with this world that I'm living in and much less worried about the next. I realized that I didn't want enlightenment and nirvana but money, women, power and admiration, all traits of a very brute and lower level soul, and don't apologize for it because I can't change it, so Buddhism with its contemplation and passivity was a terrible fit for me. Maybe other people can find peace in it, I didn't.

Post: #148

"Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet."
-St. Augustine

It sounds like you might have had some unrealistic or romantic notions about what enlightenment is. Also, for people to be drawn to the spiritual, often it takes some personal setback, or the realization that their accomplishments are unfulfilling, to instill in them a certain dose of humility.

Post: #149

(05-22-2016 11:42 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  When I was a kid I took an interesting in Buddhism, like all kids, and really wanted it to work for me but I came to the realization that I simply am not an old, enlightened soul, like everyone thinks of themselves, but I'm too materialistic and concerned with this world that I'm living in and much less worried about the next. I realized that I didn't want enlightenment and nirvana but money, women, power and admiration, all traits of a very brute and lower level soul, and don't apologize for it because I can't change it, so Buddhism with its contemplation and passivity was a terrible fit for me. Maybe other people can find peace in it, I didn't.

There is actually more wisdom in this sort of self knowledge than there is in many of the ashrams and yoga centers and dojos of the upper class McSpiritual west. Just remember, it could all change in the future, maybe even in an instant.

Post: #150

Quote:It would be nice to hear a report from someone who has simply practiced Buddhism, no more, and can tell us what it was like, without having to back it up with detailed history or in depth advanced theology, or stories of having lived in China during the most interesting time in the world.

I hope that I can add a little bit more perspective to this thread.

Background: Earlier this year I spent two months in a Thai monastery practicing meditation. I was one person when I walked into those doors and a different person when I walked out. That being said, I'm nowhere close to being wise, enlightened, liberated etc. Everything I'm going to write about comes solely from my personal experience, that of a novice western student. I can direct people to much better sources on all this if there's interest

Daily Life: Wake-up was a bell at 4:30 in the morning. Meditation started at 5. Breakfast at 6:30. In a normal SEA monastery, the monks will go out in the morning with alms bowls door-to-door to ask for food. This will be their one meal for the day. Our monastery, because it was focused solely on meditation and had a fair amount of foreigners had a dining hall (food still provided by donation) that served Breakfast and Lunch. Traditionally, according to Gautama Buddha's original monastic precepts, no food can be eaten after noon. The rest of the day alternated between meditation, attending lectures/meetings on meditation or Buddhist theory with monks, hanging out with some of the other meditators, and performing chores.

Meditation: Meditation is divided up into two types: Samatha and Vipassana. Samatha meditation is concentration meditation, where you focus consistently on one item, like an image, a mantra/passage, or the breath until you become fixed on it. Once you get to a certain level of concentration, it feels very good, going from a 'flow state' at first to a deeper level of tranquility, and then if you're very experienced a succession of 'bliss states' called jhana. This concentration meditation actually occurs in most world religions, whether it be Christian repetition of a passage of scripture or Sufi whirling.

The other type of meditation, Vipassana, or insight meditation, is exclusive to Buddhism. This is the type of meditation I practiced when I was in Thailand. The purpose of Vipassana is "to see things as they really are." This isn't some sort of hokey neo-mystical bullshit but instead a technique to observe and understand your whole process of experience, stepping back one level and watch the whole cause and effect chain of your thought, emotion, consciousness, body, etc. This is a bit hard to explain in just a RVF post, but for those with a philosophy background, vipassana is pretty much applied Phenomenology, with a beginning emphasis on understanding intentionality.


In general though, I went into this monastery with the somewhat neurotic, rationalizing mind of a guy who's spent too much time with logic and math and programming and philosophy and came out with a much calmer mind that had learned thought exists at a level above the linguistic and verbal , just like everyday speech or social interaction where 90% is not what's said, but the intention behind it. I also got past the final few mental blocks that were holding me in depression, and became much more calm and outcome independent in life.

Relation to Game / Red Pill : I stayed at this monastery during a very Blue Pill time in my life. That being said. Buddhism is is neither Red Pill nor Blue Pill, it's just a philosophy/religion. It's neutral, and can go both ways. Many western adherents of Buddhism are very Blue Pill, while many eastern adherents of Buddhism are very Red Pill. During one of my first classes learning meditation, this older, definitely alpha Thai monk was checking my posture during sitting meditation and noticed my head was tilted down. "Why are you looking down? Lift your chin up, be a man! Meditate like a man, not a woman!"

Other Thoughts: There's a common misconception that Buddhism is 'giving up the world' or rejecting material things. In reality though, Buddhism is simply neutral; The core teaching of Buddhism is 'The Middle Way,' a medium between indulgence and rejection. When you browse the "What do you guys consider a 10 thread," see a picture of some nice ass and your brain automatically goes that's natural, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if you start slobbering all over the screen, that's gonna lead to some kind of attachment, even pedestalization in extreme cases. On the other hand if you react with "Oh my, how I have sinned by lusting for a wanton maiden" and try to block and push out that thought, you're also become attached, but in a different sense, and it'll also fuck you up. The Buddhist way to see a nice Brazilian ass is to say "Huh, that's a nice ass" and move on. No clinging, no pushing away. Just seeing things as they are.