(05-13-2016 04:07 AM)262 Wrote:  I am curious how you could accelerate the indirect process, as a solution to that. But it may pay off more for the linebacker in the rushed scenario to go direct but soften his edges, so to speak - dress in a preppy way, make sure to lean back a little, speak especially slowly but with a smirk, mute the opener from the "you're hot" level to the "you look nice" level, etc. By the way, that's all from London as well

London - No and No.

As to the first question, that's why I started this discussion.

So there are bunch of styles of openers
- joke
- compliment
- situational
- environmental
- etc

Whatever it is, you open the target with the thing you want to use

What I've been doing lately is opening a third party.

Last week, coming HOME on the train. (As opposed to going to work)

- 2-4 year old kid gets on the train
- he's a happy go lucky kid
- he's got a mouthful of chocolate chip cookie

- There's a chick with a phat ass right next to me, but she's in "I don't want to be talked to" mode.

- The chick, and everyone else on the train, reacts to the kid.

What does a typical guy do, he opens the chick about the kid.

What does WIA do this time?

He opens the kid.

"What kinda cookie is that"

"Choc...fffe...ate....arevaeer....chip"

*the train, who's captivated by the kid - laughs*

I keep going, with the kid.

And now the chick's "I don't want to talk to anyone" mode is - ooh, babies, kid, this guy is funny.

From there I talked to the Kid's Mom, nodded at some of the older folks, ...and worked my way to the target.

Once she started talking, it was all over for her, cause even though the ass was RIGHT, I'm not interested in keeping it hood.

So it got me to thinking, how could I parlay this to the morning?

Because the "shield" is super high in the morning.
It occasionally breaks for the environment, but it rarely breaks for some random guy approaching.

A chick can be a total bitch to an approaching guy, and then switch in an instant to a pleasant mood to someone else.

The basic morning rush
- walk to the station
- wait on the platform
- get on the train and ride the train
- get off the platform and head out of the station
- walk to work

1 - is hard
2 - is easier, but not easy
3 - has an audience, which is why most guys don't ever spit on trains. In the morning, most people are mad at the world
4 - no time
5 - possible

The bigger lesson for me is that you can use a 3rd party when you can't do it yourself. How do I put the principle into practice.

If you guys are all doing direct, well, I'll just have to figure this out on my own

WIA

I thought about a strategy but did not get the balls to apply it yet.

Basically my LTR gave me a "girly" book, and it works the following way: the girl wants to get laid, and she has a bunch of choices (and fuck different kind of people, going from a Christian Grey billionaire to a good-looking bartender to a rockstar, photographer, bi chick or her mysterious neighbour). At different points of the story the author asks you your choice, and according to it you go to some mentionned page to continue the story. I picked the book solely for trying this strategy

The book starts with the girl wondering about different types of underwear (yeah... read that), or if she should just go without any (more exciting). So my plan was to open a girl, and ask her about what choice would she go with , since I don't have any clue about it. It's slightly direct, but I think it could work

Opening a chick by asking her preferred choice of underwear sounds like the fasted way to put in the creep zone. Maybe start by something more subtle like White wine or Red, Whopper or Big Mac, Pepsi or Coke, Underwear or Commando. Lol, you gotta work your way into that creepy sounding shit.

Lol you are right.

I am gonna think of something akin to this, maybe even write completely one story of my own, if I find my motivation for writing again.

WIA,

I recently re-listened to Moma & RudeBwoy podcast you were featured on (One of the best BTW) where, one particular point you mentioned which stood out to me was how the PUA game after 2007-08 had become inundated with with seemingly bigoted conservative men. Do you mind expounding on why you think that is? Do you think it's the pent-up conservative cats who are getting laid the least and are the most frustrated. The massive amount of Trump fans on this board got me thinking about this.

^ Nothing wrong with supporting Trump. If anything, it's Bernie supporters who deserve to be shamed.

(05-13-2016 05:24 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  ^ Nothing wrong with supporting Trump. If anything, it's Bernie supporters who deserve to be shamed.

True, true. I guess I meant folks with more conservative leaning, openly biased mentalities.

(05-13-2016 05:02 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  WIA,

I recently re-listened to Moma & RudeBwoy podcast you were featured on (One of the best BTW) where, one particular point you mentioned which stood out to me was how the PUA game after 2007-08 had become inundated with with seemingly bigoted conservative men. Do you mind expounding on why you think that is? Do you think it's the pent-up conservative cats who are getting laid the least and are the most frustrated. The massive amount of Trump fans on this board got me thinking about this.

alt.seduction.fast starts in the early to mid 90's.
By the mid to late 90's, style, mystery, and tyler were just regular guys on a message board.
They started to pick up steam, and the Game got published.

That started the mainstreaming of PUA.

Roosh and Roissy came out of that. Roissy, a roosh blog commenter at first, explicitly states that he was into the Mystery Method.

Roosh, Virgle Kent (A black dude), and Roissy were the DC PUA's that I kept up with. T. Ricky Raw was in there as well, I don't know if he was in DC though.

Virgle tried to go the Mystery/Style route.
Roosh started his bang trips.
Roissy stayed in his lane, but rebranded as Chateau Heartiste.

In the original Mystery Method, there's talk of evolutionary psychology.

Whatever racist/right wing leanings that Roissy had, always showed up in his blogs, but just got more hardcore with the rebrand.

Racists, Conservatives, Right Wingers were all coalescing in the "manosphere". So there was a lot of cross pollination.

Eventually right wing guys started edging over to game.

Most of that pua game that got everyone into this is pretty much ridiculed. In particular, a lot of it is very feminine. The fact that it works better than so-called alpha styles is not that important. Right Wing Game is about identity preservation.

Mix that with the sex and politics, and here we are.

RVF became more politicized with Return of Kings, but it was already leaning in that direction.

Now the game board, the new board, is basically a side show for the real action on Politics Board and Everything else.

Anyone can talk about politics and give their opinion.

Not the same with game.

And clearly politics are more important than getting pussy.

WIA

Anti black racism is the cultural version of last minute resistance.

(05-13-2016 06:50 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  Anti black racism is the cultural version of last minute resistance.

Interesting. Elaborate?

Question for you guys:

Do you find yourself suspicious of chicks who aren't black but only date black men?

I find that suspicious since they often try really hard to appear "black" but always in the most stereotypical way. Like, the type of chicks that think it's ok to whip out her stash in front of you, as though you'd actually considering doing anything illegal with her.

Do you guys bump into this and what do you think of it? I mean, on the one hand, it's an easy lay, but it feels degrading to be around that sort of person.

(05-14-2016 01:00 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Question for you guys:

Do you find yourself suspicious of chicks who aren't black but only date black men?

I find that suspicious since they often try really hard to appear "black" but always in the most stereotypical way. Like, the type of chicks that think it's ok to whip out her stash in front of you, as though you'd actually considering doing anything illegal with her.

Do you guys bump into this and what do you think of it? I mean, on the one hand, it's an easy lay, but it feels degrading to be around that sort of person.

Personally I am at that stage in my life where I just want to get laid.
It's good when you don't have anything to do other than just don't fuck it up, and being picked up by her.

I personally don't care if a non black women only dates black men. Sometimes a woman who only dates black men may have issues and on the hand she may be perfectly normal.

It may stem, in part, from self hate/adopting the ideas of white nationalists to assume that something is wrong with a non black woman that only dates black men. Do you think so little of yourself to think something must be wrong if a woman exclusively date men of your race? Not nearly as many people say that something is wrong with an Asian woman that only dates white guys for example. Why do non black women who exclusively date black men have to be portrayed as having a pathology?

(05-13-2016 11:06 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 06:50 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  Anti black racism is the cultural version of last minute resistance.

Interesting. Elaborate?

Why would you be suspicious of a girl who only dates black men? She obviously has good taste in men.

Most of the non - black girls I meet and date, never fall into that category.

I know nothing about modern music, so until a week ago I didn't even know who this woman was but Azealia Banks would get it. I know she is ratchet but I'd do it. I know it's shocking but I'm just talking about the physical.

(05-14-2016 01:00 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Question for you guys:

Do you find yourself suspicious of chicks who aren't black but only date black men?

I find that suspicious since they often try really hard to appear "black" but always in the most stereotypical way. Like, the type of chicks that think it's ok to whip out her stash in front of you, as though you'd actually considering doing anything illegal with her.

Do you guys bump into this and what do you think of it? I mean, on the one hand, it's an easy lay, but it feels degrading to be around that sort of person.

It depends. We all have a "type". I've known white girls that had a type, and didn't fuck with dudes that weren't it. The chicks I don't fuck with are chicks that believe any nigga will do.

(05-14-2016 01:00 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Question for you guys:

Do you find yourself suspicious of chicks who aren't black but only date black men?

I find that suspicious since they often try really hard to appear "black" but always in the most stereotypical way. Like, the type of chicks that think it's ok to whip out her stash in front of you, as though you'd actually considering doing anything illegal with her.

Do you guys bump into this and what do you think of it? I mean, on the one hand, it's an easy lay, but it feels degrading to be around that sort of person.

Rarely do I run into a Iggy Azalea (switching from the burbs to the hood), much less a Rachel Dolezal (thinks she's black).

What I typically find are Cindy Breakspear types and Sarah Palins

Cindy types are comfortable with men in general.
Sarah types are eager for some Black D, but don't want to let anyone know.

Whatever the climate, whatever the chick, real bad boys move in silence. © Krs-1. Lot of black women prefer a low key partner.

WIA

Feeling this look. Navy would work right now, might need to lighten the color up when it gets hotter.

WIA

(05-14-2016 01:00 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Question for you guys:

Do you find yourself suspicious of chicks who aren't black but only date black men?

I find that suspicious since they often try really hard to appear "black" but always in the most stereotypical way. Like, the type of chicks that think it's ok to whip out her stash in front of you, as though you'd actually considering doing anything illegal with her.

Do you guys bump into this and what do you think of it? I mean, on the one hand, it's an easy lay, but it feels degrading to be around that sort of person.

I actually do. From my personal experience, I have found that a lot of these women only want a certain type of black man and any black person who does not fit their stereotype they reject harshly. Some of the white girls who seem to have the worst attitudes are the ones who only fuck around with black dick. A lot of them I noticed are single moms because that's the 'black' thing to do. A lot of celebrities from these unions (Halle Berry, Alicia Keys, Mariah Carey, etc.) grew up in single parent homes.

The white girls that I have dated went out with white, Hispanic, Asian guys before. On the surface it may freak some black guys out because he thinks he's being compared to them but in reality its better to get the ones who will date any race of guy vs. one that only messes with blacks because she is looking for that stereotype too.

Has anyone ever attended the Trinidad Carnival? Chances of pulling Caribbean honeys? I've read it beats the Rio Carnival which has been heavily commercialized and lost it's authenticity. Beautiful people all over.

I want to put a baby in the girl @ 16:30-17:35.

(05-15-2016 12:17 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  Has anyone ever attended the Trinidad Carnival? Chances of pulling Caribbean honeys? I've read it beats the Rio Carnival which has been heavily commercialized and lost it's authenticity. Beautiful people all over.

I want to put a baby in the girl @ 16:30-17:35.

My cousins go every year and one of these years I want to go. When I decide to go I will let everybody know and we could possibly do a meetup there.

^ Any cool Trinidad Carnival stories from your cousins?

(05-14-2016 01:00 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Question for you guys:

Do you find yourself suspicious of chicks who aren't black but only date black men?

I find that suspicious since they often try really hard to appear "black" but always in the most stereotypical way. Like, the type of chicks that think it's ok to whip out her stash in front of you, as though you'd actually considering doing anything illegal with her.

Do you guys bump into this and what do you think of it? I mean, on the one hand, it's an easy lay, but it feels degrading to be around that sort of person.

In MY experience these chicks tend to be on the lower class side of women. Especially the women who arent black but "act black" I don't even mess with these types.

(05-15-2016 11:47 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(05-14-2016 01:00 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Question for you guys:

Do you find yourself suspicious of chicks who aren't black but only date black men?

I find that suspicious since they often try really hard to appear "black" but always in the most stereotypical way. Like, the type of chicks that think it's ok to whip out her stash in front of you, as though you'd actually considering doing anything illegal with her.

Do you guys bump into this and what do you think of it? I mean, on the one hand, it's an easy lay, but it feels degrading to be around that sort of person.

I actually do. From my personal experience, I have found that a lot of these women only want a certain type of black man and any black person who does not fit their stereotype they reject harshly. Some of the white girls who seem to have the worst attitudes are the ones who only fuck around with black dick. A lot of them I noticed are single moms because that's the 'black' thing to do. A lot of celebrities from these unions (Halle Berry, Alicia Keys, Mariah Carey, etc.) grew up in single parent homes.

The white girls that I have dated went out with white, Hispanic, Asian guys before. On the surface it may freak some black guys out because he thinks he's being compared to them but in reality its better to get the ones who will date any race of guy vs. one that only messes with blacks because she is looking for that stereotype too.

The best type of girls or white chicks to date are ones that don't discriminate or dont date black guys exclusively. The girls that target black guys (even the european ones who target african guys here!) tend to be trashy. I don't know why it is but thats just how it is.

In my opinion I prefer the ones who have never dated a black guy before.. not because another brother has been before me but you have a "clean slate" to work with. She doesn't expect anything or strange behaviors or interests from you and you can just be yourself.

I'll just say this...

I've dated a few white girls that did really do love black dudes. They were in shape, good looking, no kids, like a variety of music and dressed like stereotypical white girls (whatever that means). Obviously, there are fat girls with big hoop earrings that date only black dudes but there are plenty that are fine as hell that just like masculine educated black dudes. You know...the guys that many american black girls pass up for whatever reason.

Don't let the narrative that only white girls that are fat date black men seep into your mind.