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redbeard 路 2016-04-29 07:15:00 路 #7626
Scarcity mindset: "let me find out which girls like me"

Abundance mindset: "let me find out which girls are not interested so I don't waste my time on them"
heavy 路 2016-04-29 09:48:00 路 #7627
^^ I have a friend who's a successful sales guy. When I first got to know him I asked what the secret was...I'll summarize.

"Nothing really. I just don't spend time with people who aren't gonna buy."
kaotic 路 2016-04-29 12:01:00 路 #7628
I literally spent 2 days texting the wrong girl and setting up a fuck session.

All because she had almost the same number as my asian plate Laugh

Fortunately I caught myself and negated the bang. I banged this girl once, I wouldn't ever again.

Not sure how I got confused. At least I got the asian plate spending the night, doing legs today to get my test boosted.



Went on a date Wedsnesday night with a sub 7 latina. She was cool, held her own but dude, is she a grandma.

Completely FORGOT HER NAME and for the life of me couldn't find her profile.

Seriously spends alot of time with her trendy fucking french bulldog.

I feel like they are the new chihuahuas of the early 2000's

She sets some time to spend with her dog, she never played any sports, and doesn't seem to work out.

She's got a thick latin booty which is cool

Paid for my drink, we chatted, finished our drinks. She just doesn't seem high energy, but she strikes me as a low key freak in the bedroom.

I suggest we play pool on the shitty table outside, she goes to the restroom.

This 6.5 mom and her 6.75 daughter show up outside. Mom flashes me a smile and asks if anyone is playing me, I say yeah they're in the bathroom.

My date walks out, mom says "well I didn't know you were playing with this pretty little thing" and goes on to shower her with compliments.

We play a quick game with the mother commenting here and there.

The mom says we should play teams, we do. Mom/Daughter vs Me/Date.

We shoot the shit as we play, it's VERY apparent this woman can't stand her ex husband but just played pool with him a few days ago.

She rants about him a few times, the daughter is pretty mellow and quiet.

We bounce, I can tell with only a drink and her acting like a gramma she's not down to come over.

I give her a hug, she pulls back, I pull her in and makeout with her, she texts she made it home fine.

Average run of the mill date, I'll probably give her another shot.

I find myself less and less motivated to reach out to girls who don't put in any work or are just boring and not motivated.
Fury 路 2016-04-29 16:05:00 路 #7629
So the other day I had a pretty chill coffee date with a Moroccan girl (pretty, slim, light brown eyes, has a French look) and she ended up being pretty cool. I wasn't expecting much as I switched to afternoon dates because I was getting tired of staying up late, and drinking alcohol just to get LMR or no second dates. So I figured afternoon dates would be good with building comfort plus I seem to do better with them.

After one drink in the cafe, we went to a nearby carnival which had a funhouse that we both went through, and then we walked to a pub for a beer. What I liked about her was her go with the flow attitude. She was down with venue changes and meshed with my impulsiveness. I could tell she was into me during the date so I suggested we buy some vino verde and go back to my place. So we took the tram and got back to my apartment.

Man she was a freak! Maybe sexual repression from her teenage years. After a couple of sessions, sent her on her way and did some studying.

Now to fast forward to our second date, which happened to be on my birthday. So she bought me some cake and whisky (keep in mind, this is only our second time meeting and that bottle was over 30 euros). Went back to my place for cake, whisky, sex, me spanking her with a paddle (well, my wooden cutting board), me blindfolding and tying her hands, choking her, she asked to get slapped so I slapped her around a bit, did some wrestling, overall some good ol' wholesome fun. After the sex, she told me that it's my birthday and I could ask anything of her and she would do it. Well, I was already spent and would need some time to recharge so I couldn't come up with anything. I told her to bring a hot girl friend next time.

I must say, this chick is cool. Actually it is almost scary how similar we are. Cool thing is she said she doesn't want a relationship so we already established we are just FBs.

Overall, great birthday for me. Although there was one thing that bothered me and I wanted to get some opinions. While wrestling around on the couch, I saw what looked like very light 'cutting' scars on her upper thigh. When I went to trace my hand across them, she moved it quickly. Then later, while I had her blindfolded and her hands tied, I noticed that she had some cuts on her arm. So it definitely seems like she is a cutter. When I first met her my gut told me she was not the typical run of the mill, boring girl with no personality or story. But this may be a bit much, I typically don't do well with crazy since I am quite even-keeled. Is this a serious red flag that you guys have just gone along with? Outside of that, she doesn't seem to crazy, just a bit kinky but I'm cool with that.

Of course I will tread carefully and make sure when things finally end, hopefully on a good term so she doesn't go crazy stalker bitch on me.
kaotic 路 2016-04-29 16:59:00 路 #7630
Yes, it's a red flag.

Maybe it's from her younger wilder years, I've fucked a girl who was for sure a cutter as well. It is still questionable even though it might be in her history.

Keep things easy going and friendly with her, and yes tread carefully.

She's invested at least a little bit into you, hence the gifts.
Chetthebaker 路 2016-04-30 00:08:00 路 #7631
Earlier this week I took on a freelance gig working at an event for a major leftist media organization. After the setup a cute intern came up to me and introduced herself. I shook her hand. We had a funny conversation and I teased her a bit about being from whatever state she was from. She said she'd just graduated and moved up here, so I figured that meant she was 23. I made a mental note to catch her and get her number at the end of the night.
On the way back from the bathroom a woman from the organization opened me by saying I looked familiar, but she was too old for my taste. I talked politely with her for a minute.

The event involved some trivia thing that people had signed up for online. Several pairs of girls and a few guys. Only two of these girls were thin, both of whom sported engagement rings. One land whale got chatted up by the host about a Tinder date where she fell asleep. She'd been day drinking, and then later on went to a midnight movie with the guy. He was still there when she woke up. They went on 4 more dates.

Later on while breaking down I saw the intern chick with a guy who must have been her boyfriend. They were getting ready to leave. So much for that plan.
The sponsors were a craft brewing company, and these dudes were trying really hard to get the only other two younger chicks to come out drinking more with them. They were being nice, not being from this city, but not having it. Still, I admired these guys' persistence. I've been pretty shy lately.

Got in my car, drove home and texted this annoying chick from Tinder I've banged a few times the last month or so. Went to her place and put up with her bullshit/resistance for a while. She said she was on her period and was being generally difficult, so I eventually started fucking her with the tampon in. She went to the bathroom to take it out, and I commenced pounding and blasted into the condom.
I passed out for a while then washed off and drove home at about 3:30. Didn't feel too good the next day.
Agastya 路 2016-05-01 00:58:00 路 #7632
Got a little dilemma.

As time goes on I get more and more tired of pure physical hooking up. At age 20 I've fucked eighteen girls and gotten blowjobs from eight others. This isn't a massive number, but the whole process is steadily getting more exhausting for me. I don't have the energy to spend hours running around campus trying to daygame women. The whole process has become significantly less enjoyable for me. This is to say nothing of the actual hooking up itself. I'm tired of stressing about how to manage girls I currently am hooking up and retaining girls who I've only banged once or twice. To be honest, I feel like I'm ready for a relationship of some kind. Putting in tons of effort to bang a variety of women is awesome when it actually works well--in the fall, for instance, I was getting laid like a bandit--but dealing with a slow crawl of results(like what I've received recently) just makes the whole thing a giant pain in the ass. I feel like I'm fighting uphill to fulfill a need/craving, rather than practicing game because I genuinely enjoy it.

Two days ago I had a pretty cute Nigerian girl over in my room. I tried to run my usual Netflix and Chill routine, which failed. We ended up having an actually deep and interesting conversation, one of the few I've had with a woman in my life. It's really making me wonder whether I've been missing out on something, just mindlessly pursuing lays and notches over the last two years. For once, I had a conversation with a woman that wasn't filled a bunch of erratic nonsensical bullshit. To be honest, I'd like to actually "talk" to her. She told me that she likes me as a guy and thinks I'm attractive, but wants to get to know me a little better before we actually do anything. Now that I'm a little more relationship inclined, I'm down to actually follow through with this (though of course I'll fuck different girls if the opportunity presents itself).

How should I go about this? I'm so used to just trying to bang girls that I have no experience actually dating them. Keep in mind I'm in college, got no car, no natural scenery around me, and I'm not really trying to spend money on this girl...but I want to learn how to attract nicer, quieter, more well-adjusted girls who I actually like as people. I'm assuming that involves some level of dating and "talking"...if you guys have suggestions I'm all ears.
Travesty 路 2016-05-01 01:49:00 路 #7633
^ Getting soft.

Just kidding. You just beed to X girls that suck at conversation. At college age that's 98%.

The 2% is overwhelmingly fat plain chicks.
Fury 路 2016-05-01 02:03:00 路 #7634
@Kaotic,

How did things end with that cutter? Was she also a bit of a masochist?
Ensam 路 2016-05-01 03:54:00 路 #7635
Closest I've ever gotten to a 9 tonight. Hottest girl I've interacted with in a long time. Got her up to my roof, we're bullshitting, I made a move, she rebuffed, then 5 minutes later she relents. Right as we're about to start making shit happen her friend calls out from outside. My wing fucked up and pissed off her friend. Shit. Oh well, my dude is solid and will make it up to me. One step closer everyday. Her equally hot friend made out with me for a sec in the stairwell on the DL before they bounced. Sloots be sloots.
WestIndianArchie 路 2016-05-01 07:51:00 路 #7636
Agastya

You're not asking these chicks to do more than fuck you. That's why you're not getting more from them.

A lesser player will put you on a unicorn hunt, "Bro, find yourself a Mennonite girl..."

These chicks become rock climbers because their boyfriends are rock climbers.

So after the bang
- when did you know you wanted to bang me
- here are the rules between me and you

Then you let her talk a bit, then you have to "correct" her, and tell her to be real. Then you show her how and what you mean.

Sometimes it's big questions, about life, and sometimes it's small ones like cooking dinner. You set up a dynamic where she can learn how to please you.

This is the foundational experience. It's not so much that you've burned this into her brain, but you've created a routine for your self with all chicks.

WIA
little wing 路 2016-05-01 09:42:00 路 #7637
Went to a party yesterday. I'm 19 and most of the people there were a bit younger. I was a bit sick also so I didn't drink any alcohol. Met the girlfriend of an acquaintance of mine. Right now they are in a long distance LTR.
She gave me mad IOI's and kept sitting on my lap the whole evening. She is closer to my age and I'd say a 7 but cute. Kept talking with me about really sexual topics(she brought all of them up) and asked for my phone number. She wants to go lingerie shopping tomorrow.
I stayed really aloof the whole evening, even when she was touching my abs and shoving her boobs in my face. She was sober as well.
Overall, it was a bit weird. I have no doubt I couldfuck her but not sure if I should do it. I know her bf fairly well but we are not close. We share some mutual friends though.
Not sure if the notch is worth the potential trouble.

Anyway, good to know that even when I feel and look sick, haven't been socialising with girls for ages(focusing on my inner game atm), am completely sober, I can still game girls.
There were a bunch of other girls giving me a lot of IOI's too. I smoked a lot of weed in the last year and developed a bit of social anxiety as a result, usually when high. I stopped smoking a week ago and thought of this party as a good way to get out of my comfort zone again and push my boundaries. When I first got into game I would have probably had to get a bit drunk first to accomplish this.
little wing 路 2016-05-01 09:47:00 路 #7638
(05-01-2016 12:58 AM)Agastya Wrote:  Got a little dilemma.

As time goes on I get more and more tired of pure physical hooking up. At age 20 I've fucked eighteen girls and gotten blowjobs from eight others. This isn't a massive number, but the whole process is steadily getting more exhausting for me. I don't have the energy to spend hours running around campus trying to daygame women. The whole process has become significantly less enjoyable for me. This is to say nothing of the actual hooking up itself. I'm tired of stressing about how to manage girls I currently am hooking up and retaining girls who I've only banged once or twice. To be honest, I feel like I'm ready for a relationship of some kind. Putting in tons of effort to bang a variety of women is awesome when it actually works well--in the fall, for instance, I was getting laid like a bandit--but dealing with a slow crawl of results(like what I've received recently) just makes the whole thing a giant pain in the ass. I feel like I'm fighting uphill to fulfill a need/craving, rather than practicing game because I genuinely enjoy it.

Two days ago I had a pretty cute Nigerian girl over in my room. I tried to run my usual Netflix and Chill routine, which failed. We ended up having an actually deep and interesting conversation, one of the few I've had with a woman in my life. It's really making me wonder whether I've been missing out on something, just mindlessly pursuing lays and notches over the last two years. For once, I had a conversation with a woman that wasn't filled a bunch of erratic nonsensical bullshit. To be honest, I'd like to actually "talk" to her. She told me that she likes me as a guy and thinks I'm attractive, but wants to get to know me a little better before we actually do anything. Now that I'm a little more relationship inclined, I'm down to actually follow through with this (though of course I'll fuck different girls if the opportunity presents itself).

How should I go about this? I'm so used to just trying to bang girls that I have no experience actually dating them. Keep in mind I'm in college, got no car, no natural scenery around me, and I'm not really trying to spend money on this girl...but I want to learn how to attract nicer, quieter, more well-adjusted girls who I actually like as people. I'm assuming that involves some level of dating and "talking"...if you guys have suggestions I'm all ears.

Damn, exactly in the same boat. (But I am at 10 girls, turning 20 this month)
Had a few deep conversations with girls over the last year and I really enjoyed it too.
These girls are out there but sometimes difficult to find.
When you demonstrate that you are intellectually capable as well and are able to think for yourself, these girls will fall into your lap from my experience.
I think you should try to be a "nice" asshole. Have good manners, be nice to people first and foremost. But don't be afraid to speak your opinion and stand behind it. Have some backbone. Get a killer physique. Humor goes a long way too
Oz. 路 2016-05-01 12:54:00 路 #7639
I've been having some approach anxiety when it comes to switching to day game.

I've always been a night game type of person but I'm trying to cut out my going out. Alcohol is also not the issue since I don't drink when I'm gaming.

When I see a bangable girl out during the day I just hesitate although I'm not bad at all at making or keeping conversations
little wing 路 2016-05-01 14:23:00 路 #7640
(05-01-2016 12:54 PM)Oz. Wrote:  I've been having some approach anxiety when it comes to switching to day game.

I've always been a night game type of person but I'm trying to cut out my going out. Alcohol is also not the issue since I don't drink when I'm gaming.

When I see a bangable girl out during the day I just hesitate although I'm not bad at all at making or keeping conversations

Just do it dude. Anxiety is all in your head.
Once you get rejected on the subway 5 times you realize it's not that bad and stop caring
Agastya 路 2016-05-01 17:57:00 路 #7641
So what do you guys think I should do with the girl that I mentioned? She said she wants to take it slow...while she said that she's attracted to me, she wants to get to know me before doing anything with me. I'm down to talk to her a little, but more than anything I want to fuck her brains out. How should I proceed? I've never done something like this before.
Valentine 路 2016-05-01 20:25:00 路 #7642
(05-01-2016 05:57 PM)Agastya Wrote:  So what do you guys think I should do with the girl that I mentioned? She said she wants to take it slow...while she said that she's attracted to me, she wants to get to know me before doing anything with me. I'm down to talk to her a little, but more than anything I want to fuck her brains out. How should I proceed? I've never done something like this before.

You need to fuck her ASAP regardless.

Chicks these days are flakey as hell, even one bang doesn't secure a girl these days.

Whilst you have nice conversations with her, another player can swoop in and be aggressive from the beginning to secure the lay.

It's always attractive to escalate with a girl regardless if she rebuffs you or not. If you don't escalate, she'll put you in the orbiter or potential good-guy boyfriend category. Whilst she fucks bad boys on the side.

Save deep conversations for pillow talk.
Agastya 路 2016-05-01 21:42:00 路 #7643
(05-01-2016 08:25 PM)Valentine Wrote:  
(05-01-2016 05:57 PM)Agastya Wrote:  So what do you guys think I should do with the girl that I mentioned? She said she wants to take it slow...while she said that she's attracted to me, she wants to get to know me before doing anything with me. I'm down to talk to her a little, but more than anything I want to fuck her brains out. How should I proceed? I've never done something like this before.

You need to fuck her ASAP regardless.

Chicks these days are flakey as hell, even one bang doesn't secure a girl these days.

Whilst you have nice conversations with her, another player can swoop in and be aggressive from the beginning to secure the lay.

It's always attractive to escalate with a girl regardless if she rebuffs you or not. If you don't escalate, she'll put you in the orbiter or potential good-guy boyfriend category. Whilst she fucks bad boys on the side.

Save deep conversations for pillow talk.

This has been my mindset with every other girl I've been with up until now. This girl literally texted me this:

"Honestly you seemed like an amazing person but you kept forcing yourself on me and that was a turn off. Idk if I want to put myself through that again."

then after I texted her a bunch of sappy shit

"I appreciate it. Idk if I believe it but I definitely appreciate it. And no I don't want you for your body. Mmm well maybe later. But for now I just want to get to know you. You seem like a genuine guy underneath all the testosterone."

She wants to hang out again...but not in my room.

This is just a weird case because there are so many firsts for me here. She's the first girl I've actually been completely open with, let alone on my first time meeting her. She's also the first girl I've met who openly stated that she's attracted to me while refusing to do anything. She flat out told me that she used to hook up with guys and is looking for something a little more serious...which could be bullshit, obviously, but I'm starting to feel the same way and can see where she's coming from.

So yeah, I don't know if you guys have any experience with "good" girls like this...because at least to me, they seem like a whole different ballgame from the girls I've been banging to date. I could be wrong, though, and for all I know she's banging some tatted fuckboy on the side.
Agastya 路 2016-05-02 03:59:00 路 #7644
So what do you guys think I should do with the girl that I mentioned? She said she wants to take it slow...while she said that she's attracted to me, she wants to get to know me before doing anything with me. I'm down to talk to her a little, but more than anything I want to fuck her brains out. How should I proceed? I've never done something like this before.
Valentine 路 2016-05-02 05:45:00 路 #7645
(05-01-2016 09:42 PM)Agastya Wrote:  
(05-01-2016 08:25 PM)Valentine Wrote:  
(05-01-2016 05:57 PM)Agastya Wrote:  So what do you guys think I should do with the girl that I mentioned? She said she wants to take it slow...while she said that she's attracted to me, she wants to get to know me before doing anything with me. I'm down to talk to her a little, but more than anything I want to fuck her brains out. How should I proceed? I've never done something like this before.

You need to fuck her ASAP regardless.

Chicks these days are flakey as hell, even one bang doesn't secure a girl these days.

Whilst you have nice conversations with her, another player can swoop in and be aggressive from the beginning to secure the lay.

It's always attractive to escalate with a girl regardless if she rebuffs you or not. If you don't escalate, she'll put you in the orbiter or potential good-guy boyfriend category. Whilst she fucks bad boys on the side.

Save deep conversations for pillow talk.

This has been my mindset with every other girl I've been with up until now. This girl literally texted me this:

"Honestly you seemed like an amazing person but you kept forcing yourself on me and that was a turn off. Idk if I want to put myself through that again."

then after I texted her a bunch of sappy shit

"I appreciate it. Idk if I believe it but I definitely appreciate it. And no I don't want you for your body. Mmm well maybe later. But for now I just want to get to know you. You seem like a genuine guy underneath all the testosterone."

She wants to hang out again...but not in my room.

This is just a weird case because there are so many firsts for me here. She's the first girl I've actually been completely open with, let alone on my first time meeting her. She's also the first girl I've met who openly stated that she's attracted to me while refusing to do anything. She flat out told me that she used to hook up with guys and is looking for something a little more serious...which could be bullshit, obviously, but I'm starting to feel the same way and can see where she's coming from.

So yeah, I don't know if you guys have any experience with "good" girls like this...because at least to me, they seem like a whole different ballgame from the girls I've been banging to date. I could be wrong, though, and for all I know she's banging some tatted fuckboy on the side.

Good girl? She's acting like a textbook born-again virgin.

The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour, so if she's already rode on the carousel nothing really has changed deeply about her personality, and you need to continue to treat her that way.

I wouldn't believe any of it for a second. Proceed to Game as per usual.

Good girls are not a whole different ball game. This just shows a scarcity mindset because you "don't want to fuck things up" with this "good girl" and in your OP already mentioned that you're "tired of the game and want to settle into a relationship".

So you've completely bought into her frame and are now chasing her.

Look, we all meet those great girls we really click with rarely, but you don't throw away basic Game principles.

Escalate every time you see her. Do not walk on eggshells because you're afraid of fucking things up. Mix in some alcohol too. Personally I wouldn't do more than 3 dates before I get tired of the "no sex" bs, especially when other guys have pumped and dumped her before.
Uptown 路 2016-05-02 07:15:00 路 #7646
Agastya, I found a reply from doc holliday on the "you care too much" thread which I think pertains to you:

"Well in any relationship be it a romantic, friendship or business one, the one who cares the least has all the power. That said, I think caring is ok. Sex is way better with someone you give a shit about. Problems start happening though when you care too much to the point where you start neglecting your responsibilities and you lose focus on your self improvement. Too many guys hang their self esteem on their woman and go crazy if she stops caring. That can literally destroy a man. Like anything else in life, it's a balance you have to find and neither extreme is healthy"

My opinion is that you're 20 years old and after gaming and meeting women for 2 years you're going to say this one is worthy of exclusivity and you'll settle down to an extent? I've just come out of a LTR and it limits what you do and who you meet. On the other side of things, you get to experience emotions and get to really intimately know someone.

Sure, game is mentally exhausting and it's easier to just fuck 1 woman who you've got in the bag... But what happens when it inevitably ends? You'll wish you had that time you were focussed on them back so you could be better at picking up. Self improvement should be a constant effort, not just 'I got what I wanted, better stop'.
Valentine 路 2016-05-02 09:36:00 路 #7647
Had a second date with a "good girl" recently. She claims to have had only 2 notches (and cross-referencing her history, it's possible and definitely <10).

First date we met up on a sunny day for a walk around the park for an hour or two, then she said she had to leave to have dinner.

Later I found out that it was dinner with her boyfriend.

She told him on a phone call the next day that she had met up with me and the boyfriend flipped out and hung up.

She calls back acting all confused and says "I don't get why you're angry, I bumped into him and a girl briefly whilst I was out shopping with Yasmine".

Perfect stone cold lie. He bought it immediately and said they'd never discuss this incident ever again.

She ghosts for a while, then starts responding to messages and we have this second date where she tells me about this perfect spontaneous lie she concocted.

This tells me two things:
1) Don't believe the things a "good girl" or girl with a "low notch count" say
2) Any girl can say the most perfect believable lie if it's to play a guy
kaotic 路 2016-05-02 13:10:00 路 #7648
(05-01-2016 02:03 AM)Fury Wrote:  @Kaotic,

How did things end with that cutter? Was she also a bit of a masochist?

To be frank I don't really remember, I didn't stick around to find out, I think I fucked her only a handful of times.
AlphaPrimate22 路 2016-05-02 17:18:00 路 #7649
a girl at the gym asked me "what are you doing later tonight" last saturday at the gym

Me: going to X bar's party

Her: Wheres that?

Me: Its on X and Y

Her: Oh, gotcha

Me: Ill let you get back to working out. Seeya around. walks away

She was probably wanting to see me again later.
kaotic 路 2016-05-02 17:23:00 路 #7650
(05-02-2016 05:18 PM)AlphaPrimate22 Wrote:  a girl at the gym asked me "what are you doing later tonight" last saturday at the gym

Me: going to X bar's party

Her: Wheres that?

Me: Its on X and Y

Her: Oh, gotcha

Me: Ill let you get back to working out. Seeya around. walks away

She was probably wanting to see me again later.

More like was interested in hanging out.

She literally opened you asking what you were plans were, basically, she was free, you just had to close her correctly and have her meet up. Without looking desperate/thirsty.

At the least played it cool, said you had a few options and your X's bar party was one of them. Number closed her and invited her out.
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