(04-27-2016 06:34 AM)Parzival Wrote: In short, Muslims stick to their own, don't interact with the local people and have lower language skills. Also their values often don't match with the society. That's are the reasons why they fail. Not because they are Muslims, because they are fanatic ones that don't want to interact with their host culture.
Really?? I thought german women love muslim men too much, they literally throw themselves at them. Am i that wrong?
So last monday morning in Lisbon (it was "freedom day" holiday)
a group of 15 guys from african heritage, after a night out showing off
in the VIP area of now "in" Place Club, decided to go for a morning breakfeast in the Kebab house just on the other side of the street, the owner was with the door semi-open still doing his cleanings before opening the door at 7:30am and was not ready to serve them, so he refused. The guys refuse to take this lightly and decided to take revenge stealing wath was available like cellphones and the ATM terminal...unluckily for them, the owner is a dude from Kurdistan and kicked their ass only with the kebab scoop (I think we found Little Dark!) sending 6 guys for hospital treatment, and not before beeing attacked from behind, being stoned and even dodging a bullet.
Me and my training buddies will start going there for a nice kebab once in a while...a true hero.
Some thougts:
- These guys from Kurdistan really are tough. Balls recognized. After ISIS and Erdogan its not a bunch of luso-african boys who will mess with them.
- Portuguese guys commenting here in this thread should be more worried with what we have already here than with an hipothetical islamic invasion in Portugal.
- Give me a hard working dude from Kurdistan no matter his religion over a lazy ass parasite showing off in clubs, anytime, everytime.
Below is one of the many tv pieces made on the subject, with the confrotation images.
@Lemoned
Hey buddy, what you think now of this integration on the "Portuguese way"?
Note: It is unknown whether the dude is muslim or not, but I think it does not matter much in this case.
Most portuguese africans are integrated. Do not use a bunch of drunk dindunuffins coming straight from a club as a widespread example. I don't know where you live but my zone is 50% black and it's also pretty safe. As are other mostly black zones around me. It's not a few Almada ghetto kids that will make me start suspecting about hundreds of thousands of people.
Twenty years ago you had some far right fuckers beating up and killing a black dude in Bairro Alto just for the sake of his colour, too. Did you generalize those as well? If you want to generalize portuguese blacks you should also be prepared to generalize portuguese whites when they do something horrible like that. So don't go down that slippery slope.
And if you know anything about Cais do Sodré you will know there is some violence there with relative frequency, with whites, with blacks, with anybody. Do not try to politicize this as some sort of magic discovery.
So easy to think you are a badass when you are in a group of 15. Fucking pussies. Glad they got embarrassed. Don't fuck with hardworking normal people. Don't fuck with anyone period. But I am definitely moving to the top of the list dudes from Kurdistan.
Lemon, without getting into details of why I know, I 100% believe Rocha'S comments on this matter. Also, if they are integrated wouldn't that be worse? They have not learned how to exist within a society after being integrated?
(04-27-2016 06:34 AM)Parzival Wrote: In short, Muslims stick to their own, don't interact with the local people and have lower language skills. Also their values often don't match with the society. That's are the reasons why they fail. Not because they are Muslims, because they are fanatic ones that don't want to interact with their host culture.
Really?? I thought german women love muslim men too much, they literally throw themselves at them. Am i that wrong?
Maybe what appears to be thrown is actually them being grabbed.
"Current ESI Chairman directly responsible for the final Merkel Plan document is Istanbul-based Austrian sociologist, Gerald Knaus. Knaus is also a member of the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR), and an Open Society Fellow."
"The Open Society Foundations is the network of tax-exempt “democracy-promoting” foundations created by George Soros on the collapse of the Soviet Union to promote “free market” pro-IMF market liberalization of former communist economies that opened the doors for the systematic plundering of invaluable mining and energy assets of those countries. Soros was a major financier of the liberal economic team of Boris Yeltsin including Harvard “Shock Therapy” economist, Jeffrey Sachs, and Yeltsin liberal adviser, Yegor Gaidar.
Already it becomes clear that the “Merkel Plan” is the Soros Plan in fact. But there is more if we wish to understand the darker agenda behind the plan."
"The “Merkel Plan” authors at the European Stability Initative, in addition to the largesse of George Soros’ foundations, list as “core” funder, the German Marshall Fund of the United States. As I describe in my book, The Think Tanks, the German Marshall Fund is anything but German. With its seat in Washington, as I noted in the book, “It’s an American think tank with its headquarters in Washington, D.C. In point of fact, its agenda is the deconstruction of postwar Germany and more broadly of the sovereign states of the EU to fit them better into the Wall Street globalization agenda.”
"This all should give pause for reflection as to who and for what goals the Merkel-Erdogan deal for dealing with the EU refugee crisis is intended. Does the Rockefeller-Bush-Clinton faction in the United States intend to use it as a major social engineering experiment to create chaos and social conflict across the EU at the same time their NGOs such as the NED, Freedom House and the Soros Foundations are stirring things up in Syria and Libya and across the Islamic world? Is Germany, as former US presidential adviser and Rockefeller crony, Zbigniew Brzezinski called her, a “vassal” of US power in the post-1990 world? To date the evidence is pretty strong that that’s the case. The role of US and NATO-linked think tanks is central to get an understanding of how the Federal Republic of Germany and the European Union are actually controlled from behind the Atlantic curtain."
It's not a matter of integration or not unfortunately. It's a matter of stupid young people that worship ghetto/gangster culture. I know plenty of portuguese blacks and the majority are not like this but there are a few problematic zones. That must be solved, but from there to blaming all of them, absolutely not.
(04-27-2016 07:40 PM)samsamsam Wrote: So easy to think you are a badass when you are in a group of 15. Fucking pussies. Glad they got embarrassed. Don't fuck with hardworking normal people. Don't fuck with anyone period. But I am definitely moving to the top of the list dudes from Kurdistan.
Lemon, without getting into details of why I know, I 100% believe Rocha'S comments on this matter. Also, if they are integrated wouldn't that be worse? They have not learned how to exist within a society after being integrated?
(04-27-2016 07:38 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote: Most portuguese africans are integrated. Do not use a bunch of drunk dindunuffins coming straight from a club as a widespread example. I don't know where you live but my zone is 50% black and it's also pretty safe. As are other mostly black zones around me. It's not a few Almada ghetto kids that will make me start suspecting about hundreds of thousands of people.
Twenty years ago you had some far right fuckers beating up and killing a black dude in Bairro Alto just for the sake of his colour, too. Did you generalize those as well? If you want to generalize portuguese blacks you should also be prepared to generalize portuguese whites when they do something horrible like that. So don't go down that slippery slope.
And if you know anything about Cais do Sodré you will know there is some violence there with relative frequency, with whites, with blacks, with anybody. Do not try to politicize this as some sort of magic discovery.
Good that your counter argument about something that happened 2 days ago is an event that occurred 20 years ago...it seems to me fair.
If you travel a little more in time you will say how we brutalized, enslaved and colonized these people in the previous 500 years and now we are paying for that...
I can travel 1 day in time and talk about the Portuguese couple murdered yesterday in Luanda, or the 12 Portuguese citizens murdered this year alone over there.
I know very well Cais do Sodré, unfortunately...its mostly blacks provoking and the targets are always white portuguese or foreigners.
Remember the 28 year old architect who died defending his girlfriend 2 years ago from 3 blacks who where groping her?
Political correctness on immigrants and descendants we have here for a long time, I dare to say we are pioneers in that, and probably Portugal was the experience field.
Keep with your Lalaland fables, but you are in the wrong side of history buddy.
Note: You probably do not remember this one, the famous "arrastão" in Carcavelos beach back in 2005, in wich 500 (!) "young people" in the 10th of June, Portugal day, swept the beach stealing and beating the unlucky fellows over there.
On the wrong side of History. Great, using a Trudeau and Obama talking point, really credible.
You are trying to pick up unrelated agendas and connecting them. Do you know how easy it is for me to have someone killed in Angola? Do you know how many angolan blacks kill each other routinely? Why are you bringing up the killed portuguese as if the number is significant, particularly in an extremely violent country?
When you look at a case you must check whether if it's an exception or a rule. And this is not even political correctness, you are merely cherry picking. If you tell me there are certain black zones that are a problem I can agree (oh, but just look at some zones in Porto, and no blacks to be found in them for the most part) but if you try to generalize to all of them I know you are bullshitting me, heck, it's not even a matter of immigration. I bet 90% of those guys in the kebab case were born here already. The older generation has plenty of hardworking people, it's the younger ones that are thugs.
I've met a few Portuguese Africans in the UK. They adore the worst aspects of Western culture: materialism, conspicuous consumption and wannabe gangster culture.
To arrive in Portugal and claim EU citizenship all they need is one relative in the EU. Proof of this can easily be obtained in Africa with fake documentation.
It's an example of how the EU's structure is designed to benefit the elite (mass immigration facilitated through its framework to support the debt based economies).
(04-28-2016 01:18 AM)Lizard King Wrote: I've met a few Portuguese Africans in the UK. They adore the worst aspects of Western culture: materialism, conspicuous consumption and wannabe gangster culture.
To arrive in Portugal and claim EU citizenship all they need is one relative in the EU. Proof of this can easily be obtained in Africa with fake documentation.
It's an example of how the EU's structure is designed to benefit the elite (mass immigration facilitated through its framework to support the debt based economies).
Black isn't black automatically. There is a big number of West African Christian blacks who even outperform the local white population in countries like the US. I have also dated a few Christian fresh-off-the-boat African girls who come from good families. They have little in common with single-mother-ratchet girls in the West. Usually they are more traditional, have stable families and work and study hard. Though to be fair, they are not representative for their entire home country.
Anyway - regarding work availability and the changing economic model - in a former Return Of Kings article I gave the following response disagreeing with the article itself which claimed that all you have to do is to learn new skills and adapt to the neo-liberal economic environment and then everything will be good:
Quote:I call BS on the article. Workers should just accept lower wages? How low? Should they lower their wages to Chinese standards in order for manufacturers to stop shipping their jobs offshore?
Technology and automation is a normal process of scientific advancement of a species - but sooner or later, we are left with 3 solutions on what to do with the so-called useless eaters, since there is a level of automation which stops producing additional work: 1. Reach for the stars, settle on other planets first in the solar system and then beyond
2. Create interest free money, unleash our full scientific and monetary potential releasing suppressed profit-destroying technologies and usher in a never before seen golden age for mankind
3. Embark on depopulation, sterilization of the useless eaters and on stark austerity for the most until the population shrinks to a size that the elite deems worthwhile (also make up a global warming scam to let the peasants accept their lower living standard)
Guess what plan our rulers have chosen?
Yes individually you can do a lot and that is all fine and well, but systematic real unemployment in the West above 10% is not due to "workers demanding too high wages" or government sucking us all dry due to welfare. Those are fake reasons trumped up by expertly indoctrinated economists (one of whom I was myself, but I guess I have broken through the preliminary conditioning).
Now the German authorities are admitting that rapefugees will cost Germany 400 billion Euros within the next 20 years. That number is ridiculous. The real cost incl. housing will be over ONE TRILLION within the next 20 years. For that money they could purchase the Greek debt completely twice or three times.
Our elite world rulers have decided to go the route of austerity, economic throttling, fake global warming scam (and new stifling taxes), also exacerbation of the global usury scam. I could even mention the suppressed technologies which would liberate humanity, but who cares? They won't give us interest free money and they won't give us geo-magnetic and cost-efficient technology anytime soon.
Frankly our best hope for now is to encounter a species that has decided for OPTION 1 in the examples above. A usury species that expands the economic system beyond their own planet would have great use for another 9 billion workers, consumers and soldiers. Alien conquerors would have no reason to come and simply kill everyone like Hollywood always portrays. That literally makes no sense to an interstellar society. Prolonging the economic game of usury and generating new markets - that is a good reason to start an entire fleet. Too bad that the bloody world rulers have been busy stifling really advanced tech, so that we will be actually defenseless against such an invasion. But hey - at least they certainly won't be interested in sterilizing us and letting our military walk in high-heels.
And no - before anyone accuses me of wanting to be a socialist - I am for free markets with a minimum level government that uses interest free money (and only tariffs as the only taxes) well. That alone in tandem with suppressed technologies would create a new golden age for mankind. Albeit it would be a golden age where the current elite would not rule and humans would become very hard to control, so no way in hell are they going to let this happen.
It's in German, but you can see the scenes from the South Italian labor market. Some of the young guys did not know what a contract is for decades. The industries which they lived off in the past either moved elsewhere (Eastern Europe or Asia) or they went bankrupt as Italy (and no South-European country) could not have hoped to compete with countries like Germany or the Netherlands. The EU could have only worked for the benefit of the people with a very similar economic structure and culture - Netherlands, Germany and UK - fine, but Italy, Spain or Poland?
Also the report shows clearly the future of the EU - scores of people getting some 700-1000 Euros basic social security and in tandem attempting to earn some additional Euros in illegal employment and the occasional odd jobs.
The German refugees are joining the ranks of those black market workers - here an example of two who try their best.
All of it is one clusterfuck after another.
Ah - and the final sentence of the Italian report ist telling: They announced within the EU that they are going to help the young local Europeans with the labor market difficulties by giving them 6 billion Euros next year!
Yeah - spend 100 billion on Middle Eastern rapefugees and then give the local population some 6 billion which will usually end up in re-education seminars that are owned the friends of corrupt politicians. Of course jobs won't manifest from anywhere - tourism down, industry down, disposable income down, where should the money for new jobs come from?
(04-28-2016 03:34 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote: A usury species that expands the economic system beyond their own planet would have great use for another 9 billion workers, consumers and soldiers. Alien conquerors would have no reason to come and simply kill everyone like Hollywood always portrays. That literally makes no sense to an interstellar society.
Imagine they arrive and want to speak to our leader. And then say, you better obey and become part of our rule. There is no global leader and sure everyone would go its own way. Then they just wipe us out. Or they see us as heretic dirty alien scum that would be useless to their noble bloodline. Ethnic cleansing. Maybe they are not so stupid like Europeans, let in millions of cultural strangers that just will create trouble. Hell, maybe they needs living space for their over population. In the best case they will put on a strict regime and force us to labour or become soldiers.
They say there will be 200 millions more on the move till 2060. Global elites have no interest in give people individual freedom. With all our technology and wealth, we could produce more and better in the future and people have to work less. But then they fear, when you give people an income for free or for a little work they do, will people become lazy or violent? They don't trust the people and want to control them either with work or by fear about millions of invaders that steal their jobs. They could easy tax productivity and not human labour.
Our system thinks, when people don't work they are lazy scum and will create trouble. Work is there to control the masses. Keep them in fear to lose their job, create silly ideas about careers and call it individual development. Nothing is worse in our society then not have a job. Whats the most common question when you meet someone new? What do you do?
Hell I not even think the elites have a bad intention with this, they just part of the system too. They stuck so much with the idea that labour work is the most important thing that they can't imagine a world where people have time for their own because production is taxed. Productivity output pays taxes and not human labour any longer. Imagine humans just work 2 to 4 hours a day. In some jobs its not possible but they will get a higher salary and can chose the best for those jobs. The rest of people can use the free time to start to think about new things, be creative, spend time with the family. Losen the burden of be a workslave and fear always to lose your job.
(04-27-2016 05:56 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote: ... I have seen no type of women in the world actively throwing themselves at muslim men routinely, ever.
Except maybe prostitutes with regards to rich Gulf royalty fuckers.
When i say throwing themselves at them i am emphasizing it. I mean they really like them, and i think it's a matter of fact. In italy, at least in the south i have never heard or seen italian woman with algerian/pakistani/nigerian/indian/moroccan/somalian and so on, i mean this people are seen as less than animals, everywhere you go a dog, and i am talking about a stray dog is more welcome than them, they are literally worth less than a stray dog and i am serious about it, so for a woman going with a man of these nationalities is absolutely absurd, they can't even think about just having a chat with them. Then in the uk, germany, sweden, holland you hear plenty of people "my mum is english/german/swedish etc. and my dad is african/indian/pakistani/algerian/moroccan, and it's always mum white and dad foreign, never the opposite, so the first thing i think is that for us they are less than animals and in "civilised countries" they fuck women. I have been to the uk and women like way more african, indian, pakistani, muslims, than italian, spanish, greek, east europeans (except maybe for albanians), europeans are seen as not cool at all by women and they are in general much less accepted and tolerated than the ones above. In addition once a german girl from stuttgart, that i actually fucked, told me that saying to a girl to be italian is not cool, like it's a minus, while saying moroccan is really cool, she told me this as north european people think i look north african/middle eastern. That's why i don't believe at all about all the stories about rapefugees, women definitely have a different, positive attitude towards migrants in "civilised countries".
Quote:Chaos on Chios: Been on board and thought it go to the neighboring island. Because activists shouted, they would instead deported to Turkey, the refugees ran from the boat.
Quote:In Greece, the role of voluntary foreign refugee helper is seen increasingly critical. While the country is grateful for the use of most workers and organizations, political activists among the volunteers create again turmoil. Just three weeks before in the northern Greek border town Idomeni there had be serious clashes with Macedonian border guards after activists had distributed leaflets, that been inciting to "march on the border". According to media reports, it is among those working in the majority of German and British Left activists.
(04-27-2016 05:56 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote: ... I have seen no type of women in the world actively throwing themselves at muslim men routinely, ever.
Except maybe prostitutes with regards to rich Gulf royalty fuckers.
When i say throwing themselves at them i am emphasizing it. I mean they really like them, and i think it's a matter of fact. In italy, at least in the south i have never heard or seen italian woman with algerian/pakistani/nigerian/indian/moroccan/somalian and so on, i mean this people are seen as less than animals, everywhere you go a dog, and i am talking about a stray dog is more welcome than them, they are literally worth less than a stray dog and i am serious about it, so for a woman going with a man of these nationalities is absolutely absurd, they can't even think about just having a chat with them. Then in the uk, germany, sweden, holland you hear plenty of people "my mum is english/german/swedish etc. and my dad is african/indian/pakistani/algerian/moroccan, and it's always mum white and dad foreign, never the opposite, so the first thing i think is that for us they are less than animals and in "civilised countries" they fuck women. I have been to the uk and women like way more african, indian, pakistani, muslims, than italian, spanish, greek, east europeans (except maybe for albanians), europeans are seen as not cool at all by women and they are in general much less accepted and tolerated than the ones above. In addition once a german girl from stuttgart, that i actually fucked, told me that saying to a girl to be italian is not cool, like it's a minus, while saying moroccan is really cool, she told me this as north european people think i look north african/middle eastern. That's why i don't believe at all about all the stories about rapefugees, women definitely have a different, positive attitude towards migrants in "civilised countries".
It was mention here before. Its women that did cheer for the invaders with their refugee welcome signs. Its also quite a difference if you are a darker skinned migrant or a english / german mate when approach a women. Those people can play a complete different game. They do caveman game and love it. If you do it as a German, you are a creep. Hell you are even just more "vivacious" and "hot" just by darker skin. All the high level expectations you have to bring in when you are a native for those women, you can be a total loser when be a migrant. They even will finance you hand help you to bring more of your buddies to Europe.
I know some girls that are very critical and against those migrants and would never touch one but you have also the ones that are what those migrants expect them to be. Stupid fuck toys with no value.
I think there is a big difference of cheering them on and wanting to date them. Western men not only tend to look better, they also have more resources and higher intellect. Of course though it seems we lack in the primal impulses and do not use things like caveman game which may lull some of the stupider girls into a rapefugee's lap but I'd say generally it doesn't quite work that way. But then again I am more used to spending time in South Europe where girls tend to consider those brown looking dudes as undateable so ... it always seems to exist more fetishization of the foreigner in the more germanic/nordic places.
Personal I do not see any girl in my environment that is in a relationship with a caveman nor do they like to be approached by them. If its just the colour of the skin but he has normal behaviour, then its something different. Most relationships in Germany are still German - German based, for a reason. Also in general German girls not among the slutty ones. Their are unique on their own.
(04-28-2016 06:20 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote: But then again I am more used to spending time in South Europe where girls tend to consider those brown looking dudes as undateable so ... it always seems to exist more fetishization of the foreigner in the more germanic/nordic places.
my tinder matches in Portugal are close to zero and when I have something it's a land whale.
In Germany my tinder does not stop. And i'm not that "brown"...
Well of course. What do you expect? It's Portugal, online dating is still frowned up, PT women are still arrogant bishez, etc. I've been in Germany before and had some luck too and I'm not brown at all, I'm white as fuck. Germany also has a lot more people.
I had great success with Tinder in Japan but almost zero in Germany. So there is the proof, German girls prefer foreigners and foreigners steal the women. q.e.d.
So remember the Syrian refugee in Lebanon selling pens, daughter in arm, whose photos went viral, with European cucks soon after starting a crowdfunding campaign for him to the tune of about 200,000 USD?
It looks like he blew all the money on failed businesses and sending other portions to relatives. He's now demanding the remaining money that he hasn't received yet.
Of course, the article's (published by a cancerous offspring of government mouthpiece Spiegel Online, catering to the retarded millennials and coddled university students of Germany) title suggests that the crowdfunders and the brilliant businessman are merely "quarreling" as if there was ambiguity about the situation.