Post: #51

My rule is just to always attempt to make a decision.

Don't slip into the habit of always "asking" if she likes this, or just saying "whatever you want". When I've done this I just feel indecisive and wishy washy.

Post: #52

No. Actually going over the menu and making random comments about the food choices and sharing experiences with meals at other restaurants is one of the greatest situational rapport builders you can do at a restaurant.

Post: #53

I took Suits' reply at face value. He liked my original post so I believe he was being genuine. Suits, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken in this assumption. I think any post that suggests a way for guys to avoid paying for a girl's food has value.

PapayaTapper's cartoon made me laugh though because I can see how that comment could come off as sarcasm after I re-read it.

Post: #54

(04-17-2016 01:59 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I took Suits' reply at face value.

Never do such a thing here

Post: #55

Noted.

Post: #56

(04-17-2016 01:59 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I took Suits' reply at face value. He liked my original post so I believe he was being genuine. Suits, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken in this assumption. I think any post that suggests a way for guys to avoid paying for a girl's food has value.

PapayaTapper's cartoon made me laugh though because I can see how that comment could come off as sarcasm after I re-read it.

Don't worry We all end up putting our foot in our mouths to some extent in here. At least you've got the right outlook and taking the ribbing like a good sport.

By the way, we all know that spending $ for dinners isn't the way to get into a chick's panties. But in my humble opinion, I think you might be carrying that concept...a tad far...I mean, to actually give that much conscious thought to avoid paying for an $6-7 burrito?...I mean goddam!

Post: #57

I can see how paying $6 or $7 for a burrito could seem inconsequential, even though in truth it's more like $10 and then basically $20 if you're paying for both yours and hers. Doing that sometimes may not be a big deal I suppose but considering most of us cast a wide net when it comes to girls and aren't putting all of our eggs in just one basket (just one girl), the money can add up pretty quick. We consider the logistics of just about every aspect of game, so to examine the logistics of saving a little dough I still think is worthwhile, but to each their own.

Post: #58

(04-17-2016 03:32 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(04-17-2016 01:59 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I took Suits' reply at face value. He liked my original post so I believe he was being genuine. Suits, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken in this assumption. I think any post that suggests a way for guys to avoid paying for a girl's food has value.

PapayaTapper's cartoon made me laugh though because I can see how that comment could come off as sarcasm after I re-read it.

ÍDon't worry We all end up putting our foot in our mouths to some extent in here. At least you've got the right outlook and taking the ribbing like a good sport.

By the way, we all know that spending $ for dinners isn't the way to get into a chick's panties. But in my humble opinion, I think you might be carrying that concept...a tad far...I mean, to actually give that much conscious thought to avoid paying for an $6-7 burrito?...I mean goddam!

I've always pondered this:

Where do you "I don't pay for food" guys stand on Abortions?

Do you refuse to pay? Only pay half? Find the cheapest clinic?

How about child support?

Or, let's say a supermodel walks up to you at a hotel and says "let's get a room" do you refuse out of principal?

Please let me know.

Aloha!

Post: #59

I would say in that case the whole "ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" comes into play. Wear a rubber. Don't take her word for it that she's on the pill. Also, I only use my own condoms, but some girls will have their own but I'm not going to run the risk of using something she might've poked holes in however unlikely that may be. Better to be safe than sorry.

Post: #60

(04-17-2016 03:40 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I can see how paying $6 or $7 for a burrito could seem inconsequential, even though in truth it's more like $10 and then basically $20 if you're paying for both yours and hers. Doing that sometimes may not be a big deal I suppose but considering most of us cast a wide net when it comes to girls and aren't putting all of our eggs in just one basket (just one girl), the money can add up pretty quick. We consider the logistics of just about every aspect of game, so to examine the logistics of saving a little dough, I still think is worthwhile, but to each their own.

Ok fair enough. Do you mind if I ask you your age and what age of girls you're "casting your net" around are? (I'm not trying to bust your balls...honestly trying to see if I might be able to give you any input of value)

Post: #61

I am 30. Generally, I keep it in the 20-to-30 range.

Post: #62

(04-17-2016 03:43 PM)Kona Wrote:  I've always pondered this:

Where do you "I don't pay for food" guys stand on Abortions?

Do you refuse to pay? Only pay half? Find the cheapest clinic?

How about child support?

Or, let's say a supermodel walks up to you at a hotel and says "let's get a room" do you refuse out of principal?

Please let me know.

Aloha!

I'm not of the "I don't pay for food" camp per se. I'm more of the "I think dinners are poor tactical choice for banging a new chick" camp. I'll let my previous post on the subject elaborate.

(04-15-2016 08:13 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 07:37 PM)Onto Wrote:  Maybe I'm just old, but I don't subscribe to the "No dinner date before the bang". Of course there are tons of free things you can do on a first date, The park, the water, coffee, museum, etc. and all that's great too. But sometimes you're in the mood to go out and have a meal at a cool restaurant. Granted it costs more, but I don't do it with the intention it's going to entitle me to a bang. I do it because I want to eat there with some company.

I personally don't subscribe to the "no dinner before the bang" philosophy out of some type of "no ass= no food or spend" principle. It's rather that logistically it doesn't fit my (usual) 2 date program. It's purely strategic.

First date is almost always drinks, at a bar that I'm very familiar with (and they know me). I prefer sitting next to the girl rather than across from her. This makes "accidental" physical contact (legs touching, arms, shoulders, etc) as well as "innocent" touching-"that's a cool ring/watch/ bracelet, let me see" (grabbing and holding her hand ) This is particularly effective with necklaces (fingers under the necklace and rubbing her chest and collarbone. This is practically impossible sitting across from a girl. Plus it's just too much of an "interview" position for my tastes. I prefer the intimacy of sitting next to a girl at the bar. Go for a walk by the beach with a bit of a buzz on, maybe another quick drink at another venue (if needed) then bounce to the house if possible..but

If I don't close on first date-

Second date is me cooking at my house. I have a very high close rate if I can get them to my house.

Personally sitting across from a chick I don't really know, macking food and not being able to touch her isn't my thing. Later on yes...and I have no problems paying as almost all the girls I date are young and broke. But whatever works for you.

Quote:Or, let's say a supermodel walks up to you at a hotel and says "let's get a room" do you refuse out of principal?

EDIT: I'd check to see if she has a dick first and then happily pay for the room if not

Post: #63

I do agree that dinner dates are not the most conducive to getting a bang, but as the date's strategist, you have to plan for contingencies. Sometimes girls will bring up being hungry while you're out with them doing something else. Perhaps you can pretend you didn't hear them the first time, but they'll likely repeat themselves. If you're going to have to eat, whether it's a $10 burrito or a $60 steak, either option's still good enough to make a turd so you might as well go cheap.

Post: #64

(04-17-2016 03:52 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I am 30. Generally, I keep it in the 20-to-30 range.

Ok. If it works for you it works for you. I just don't personally see how taking ANY girls to Chipotle are conducive to getting to Point B (in the panties is always Pont B) Doesn't mean it can't...I just can't see it...See my post above re dinner dates in general)

While everyone's game, logistics, situation, experiences, etc. are different there are, certain maxims that are proven over and over. The more time you spend reading the game forum the more "tools" you will find to put in your particular toolbox.

I always strongly suggest everyone read Tuths New Recipe For first Date Bangs

I'm actually not exceptionally good at 1st date bangs myself (but my close ratio goes way way up on 2nd though) but there's so much useful info and insight in Tuth's post that it's basically my approach (albeit applied in two parts). Tactically this is info is GOLD

The other recommendation I have off the top of my head is to read Roosh's 7 Signs You Should Approach article.

Learning how to "screen" better is one way to not have to cast "a wide net" thus saving time AND money

I hope the above is of value.

Play on playa!

EDIT: Just saw your reply above...Must've been writing at the same time. So if doing other stuff ends up leading to eating as a "contingency" with often enough frequency that it becomes a financial consideration..Tuth's recipe is definitely a blueprint for avoiding the need for contingencies. (Meeting for drinks at 8 or later usually means she's eaten)

Post: #65

I like casting a wide net because it leads to a genuine abundance mentality because you have an actual abundance. Screening certainly has value, but girls are notorious for being chameleons and appearing to be everything a guy wants in the beginning. Since the majority of us aren't FBI expert-level profilers, even the best attempts at screening can still go awry. Fewer girls can lead to a scarcity mentality. I'd rather have more options but that's just me.

Your two-date system does sound like a good setup. A first date for drinks and a second for dinner at your place. But, I guess some of your possible confusion at my post or tactics seem to rest with viewing my going to Chipotle as a first date. Nowhere did I write that's my go-to first date game plan, but sooner or later you WILL end up in a situation with girls where they're going to want to eat. Since everyone eats at least something every day, it certainly doesn't take "point B" off the table. But I will agree with your mentioning Tuth's suggestion of meeting later being good possible meal preventative logistics.

Post: #66

By the way the less carbs the food has can be a game changer itself.

Tapas bar filet chunks on a skewer or mcds?

One cost more but most can keep the ball rolling after. A plate of fried rice could be a knockout punch.

Game over.

Post: #67

Maybe I just have a steel trap for a stomach but I don't generally have issues with food. I've had food poisoning before but that's a problem due to how a food is handled more than what it is, but I'm sure it's fair to say that some guys should definitely keep what they're eating in mind so they don't pull a Ben Stiller in "Along Came Polly".

Post: #68

(04-17-2016 05:58 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  One cost more but most can keep the ball rolling after. A plate of fried rice could be a knockout punch.

Game over.

Choice of food is important. I can attest to this!

When I was younger and more frugal, I made the mistake of bringing my date to an all-you-can-eat chinese food buffet. Needless to say, no pussy was slayed that night. Rice, chicken balls, spring rolls and deep fried shrimp is a bad mix if your objective is to get laid.

Post: #69

(04-17-2016 01:47 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Here's a move I like to pull:

First, I don't bring girls to expensive restaurants when we first start hanging out. I remember telling a girl I just found out about this great little burger place and it was really good and I was going to take her there. I got her in the car and didn't tell her where we were going and pulled into the Wendy's parking lot. She laughed and was like "This is it?" and I said "It's amazing, you have to try it." I still got the bang later.

Since I don't make it a point to fill girls' stomachs with four-star meals, especially before they've earned it. A place I used to go a lot was Chipotle (before the Norovirus was giving everyone the shits over there). I always liked to let the girl go ahead of me in line so I could take a minute to "decide" when, in truth, I pretty much get the same thing every time. They'd go ahead of me and since they'd encounter the cashier first and I'd still be back picking out stuff I wanted in my burrito, she'd have to pay for her own food. Never make the mistake of going in front of her in line or else you'll get suckered with the whole "are these two together?" cashier question. I've never once had it happen where a cashier asked if the girl was going to cover the cost of my food. Funny how that works.

In theory this could be a good model.

After filling up on chili and Wendyburgers everyone has to shit. Thus, you must go to a residence. Minimize risk of her using the Wendy's bathroom and stick to the drive through.

You say that Norovirus makes you shit, so it applies here as well.

Aloha!

Post: #70

(04-17-2016 03:32 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(04-17-2016 01:59 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I took Suits' reply at face value. He liked my original post so I believe he was being genuine. Suits, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken in this assumption. I think any post that suggests a way for guys to avoid paying for a girl's food has value.

PapayaTapper's cartoon made me laugh though because I can see how that comment could come off as sarcasm after I re-read it.

Don't worry We all end up putting our foot in our mouths to some extent in here. At least you've got the right outlook and taking the ribbing like a good sport.

By the way, we all know that spending $ for dinners isn't the way to get into a chick's panties. But in my humble opinion, I think you might be carrying that concept...a tad far...I mean, to actually give that much conscious thought to avoid paying for an $6-7 burrito?...I mean goddam!

Plot twist: I was being genuine.

There's a real indignity to how many women want to be treated and respected as equals in every way and still expect us to pay for them to stuff their faces. As a man who dates, you're constantly placed in the position where if you hesitate in dropping money for even a moment when the bill comes, you'll seem cheap.

Just another example of female privilege.

I don't care if it's a $2 slice of pizza. Any man who smoothly force women to pay their own way is brilliant in my books.

Post: #71

Normally,




But, LeoneVolpe's write up is brilliant.

Post: #72

(04-17-2016 01:47 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Here's a move I like to pull:

First, I don't bring girls to expensive restaurants when we first start hanging out. I remember telling a girl I just found out about this great little burger place and it was really good and I was going to take her there. I got her in the car and didn't tell her where we were going and pulled into the Wendy's parking lot. She laughed and was like "This is it?" and I said "It's amazing, you have to try it." I still got the bang later.

Since I don't make it a point to fill girls' stomachs with four-star meals, especially before they've earned it. A place I used to go a lot was Chipotle (before the Norovirus was giving everyone the shits over there). I always liked to let the girl go ahead of me in line so I could take a minute to "decide" when, in truth, I pretty much get the same thing every time. They'd go ahead of me and since they'd encounter the cashier first and I'd still be back picking out stuff I wanted in my burrito, she'd have to pay for her own food. Never make the mistake of going in front of her in line or else you'll get suckered with the whole "are these two together?" cashier question. I've never once had it happen where a cashier asked if the girl was going to cover the cost of my food. Funny how that works.

Not a fan of the wendy's idea, however, the Chipotle maneuver is a good one.

It's also a good test to see what kind of girl you have.

A) She looks back at you whilst at Chipotle "We're together" and waits for you to pay.
B) She pays for hers. Or the unheard of, option C.
C) She looks back, and pays for yours!

Post: #73

(04-17-2016 06:09 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(04-17-2016 01:47 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Here's a move I like to pull:

First, I don't bring girls to expensive restaurants when we first start hanging out. I remember telling a girl I just found out about this great little burger place and it was really good and I was going to take her there. I got her in the car and didn't tell her where we were going and pulled into the Wendy's parking lot. She laughed and was like "This is it?" and I said "It's amazing, you have to try it." I still got the bang later.

Since I don't make it a point to fill girls' stomachs with four-star meals, especially before they've earned it. A place I used to go a lot was Chipotle (before the Norovirus was giving everyone the shits over there). I always liked to let the girl go ahead of me in line so I could take a minute to "decide" when, in truth, I pretty much get the same thing every time. They'd go ahead of me and since they'd encounter the cashier first and I'd still be back picking out stuff I wanted in my burrito, she'd have to pay for her own food. Never make the mistake of going in front of her in line or else you'll get suckered with the whole "are these two together?" cashier question. I've never once had it happen where a cashier asked if the girl was going to cover the cost of my food. Funny how that works.

In theory this could be a good model.

After filling up on chili and Wendyburgers everyone has to shit. Thus, you must go to a residence. Minimize risk of her using the Wendy's bathroom and stick to the drive through.

You say that Norovirus makes you shit, so it applies here as well.

Aloha!

So if you follow the Bounce near your pad model and introduce a meal with a high chance of norovirus it may increase odds?

The May I use your bathroom game reversed!!

Post: #74

(04-17-2016 01:59 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I took Suits' reply at face value. He liked my original post so I believe he was being genuine. Suits, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken in this assumption. I think any post that suggests a way for guys to avoid paying for a girl's food has value.

PapayaTapper's cartoon made me laugh though because I can see how that comment could come off as sarcasm after I re-read it.

Don't worry. You'll know it when I don't like something you wrote.

Passive aggression and insulting sarcastic are the tools of the weak.

Subtle ribbing, on the other hand, is a higher art form, but only if you drop some breadcrumbs along the way.

Post: #75

Taking girls out for dinner on first dates?

The last few girls I banged made me dinner at their apartments/dorms.

The last girl made me ramen noodles while I snuck in some booze. I fucked her in the bathroom so her roommates wouldn't wake up.

Now that's game,