Post: #1

I'm going to try to keep this as to the point as possible.

I'm feeling very disheartened by society. I absolutely do not know how I'm going to get laid. Women in this country, they just don't seem to want it. Its been 6 months (!!) since my last score and since then any girl I find suitable doesn't seem interested.
I went out to a pub last night and found an American girl that was here for just one more month before she'd head back to the states. Completely average appearance. Perfect! I thought, surely this one will bite. But i asked her if shes going somewhere else after and she said home.
Surely if she was interested she would have asked me if I am going out and then I could have said yes and offered her to come with.
Do i have to do all the work? Can i not rely on some bit of mutual interest being shown on her behalf?

I'm a pretty good looking dude, it should not be hard for me to find someone interested in me. And yet I'm talking to women below my level and they are not showing any interest at all.
And I don't get it, and all i can think is that if i was a woman of my attractiveness I wouldn't have to do anything, I wouldn't have to try at all, I wouldn't even need a personality. Id just wait somewhere and Id get offers.

And its making me bitter and that's not good.
Why do they think they don't have to do any of the work?
Why is it not just easy and natural for both sexes?
Its like they don't want it or its just so readily available for them that they don't care about it/need to try.

I asked the last failed spark i had to explain things to me because i was really feeling like i don't understand society in relation to sex, but she was very uncomfortable about it and just said i don't think I'm the best person to be your love guru..
So that was that, i was really hoping she could give me some kind of perspective I'm missing but she outright refused to help.

I used to think that everybody wants to meet people, but that belief is being severely tested now, and i could really use some help in understanding a woman's mindset because now I'm fairly sure that it is not 'normal' (same as a man's) when it comes to meeting people.

Post: #2

I can tell that you're coming across as very awkward in person. You're giving girls a weird vibe and making them uncomfortable. You reek of desperation and pussy thirst and they can smell that a mile away. Getting angry about how easy women have it compared to men is also totally counterproductive. The world is what it is - moping about it isn't going to help you get laid. If you were a woman, would you want to have sex with a guy who came across as awkward, desperate and bitter? Realize that your "good looks" count for very little when weighed against those glaring negatives. You're projecting your male psychology onto women - assuming their attraction is primarily motivated by visual cues rather than behavioral and environmental cues. A common beginner mistake that many guys get hung up on.

Overall, you need to fucking relax. You're treating every interaction with a woman like your life is on the line. Chill out and try to have fun regardless of how women respond to you. Allowing your mental and emotional state to be controlled by how random women respond to your advances not masculine. Go read more Heartiste, old Roosh and other fundamental game literature. You haven't internalized even the basic psychology and it shows. You're running around with a knife (untrained psychology) in the middle of a gunfight (the modern dating scene). It's no wonder you're getting your ass kicked.

Post: #3

1. Take a deep breath.

2. Take a look in the mirror and think would an attractive girl go for you.

3. If the answer is yes look again and imagine yourself with more muscle mass and better clothes. How quickly then would you think a girl would leave with you?

4. Now reread your post and look at some common sense things.

You asked a girl where she was going on a night out. What would happen if an ugly girl came up to you and asked the same thing?

Now think about some of the other things you said that night in that context. You aren't scoring because you're running piss poor game plain and simple. Even fat girls run better game than that.

5. If you want to fix that here are some things you can do.

A. Hit the gym
B. Get a better sense of style. Think of how guys who get laid in your area dress then find out a flashier way to outstyle them.
C. Talk to every one and anyone. Think you need an idea of how normal conversation should work. Try to make them laugh and have enjoyable conversations.
D. Read around here and figure out how guys are playing the game on his board and post all successes/failures and how they happened on this thread. Then recieve feedback and change up your game.

6. Get out there and do this.

Comte

Post: #4

You need to learn to be a man. Life isn't fair. Your desire for equality in the mating ritual is a fantasy. Women CAN just sit around and men do have to do all the work. Being a man means being strong enough to do the work, and take the shit tests, and still prevail.
Instead of complaining about the way the world is, open your eyes and learn to be successful in it anyway. This entire site has all the information you need if you would simply accept what you read and not cling to a fantasy of Nawalts and equality.

Post: #5

For specific actions, Comte is right up above. Also, you sound a bit aspie. This probably comes across in person.
And never ask women for advice. They lack any ability to analyze the interactions between men and women. It is all feelings with them.
In the bar or club, find the coolest older guy in there and start up a conversation. Later, ask his advice on these things.

Post: #6

Some good replies. "Its all feeling with them" is probably very true.

I am however, not coming across awkward in normal conversation. I know how to talk and am better at it than most. With the american girl i was relaxed and we did laugh and etc, but then when i asked what she was doing she said home, and didnt ask me what i was doing as someone who was interested would have.

I just did asked two random girls if they wanted to go for a coffee, and in these two, yeah maybe a tad bit of awkwardness/desperateness, both were nos.
They dont realise how easy they have it, but thats the way it is.

Post: #7

Yea you are a deluded one. Reread your response to us and you'll see why. You're one hell of an aspie and don't know how to speak.

Record yourself speaking and listen to how you talk.

Post: #8

I was however, a bit shy asking what she was doing tonight. Isint that forgivable? Im putting myself up for rejection, its natural to not be super confident in this moment.
Or do women not see it this way?

Post: #9

I dont have aspergers. I am the same as anyone else at the table, maybe a bit better when it comes to conversation.
It was a a group outing with a club in college and i was one person there. Comparing myself to others there i was decent at conversation.

Post: #10

I don't see what is so hard to understand. Attractive women have options. This had been a constant in human history. Men who have status, game, and looks also have options. However, they need to put these qualities into action. Your passive, brooding demeanor is not getting it done. Go out and get what you want in this world and stop whining about how unfair it is.

Post: #11

(04-15-2016 10:36 AM)Dantes Wrote:  I don't see what is so hard to understand. Attractive women have options. This had been a constant in human history. Men who have status, game, and looks also have options. However, they need to put these qualities into action. Your passive, brooding demeanor is not getting it done. Go out and get what you want in this world and stop whining about how unfair it is.

I find anyone who is a supposedly good speaker and good looking not doing the above suspect in having either quality.

Post: #12

There are many variables, don't worry about controlling everything. The most positive thing is you are going out and you are trying to improve your game. The thing is, you have to be humble when you analyse the approach, so you can learn from your mistakes.

Post: #13

OP,

Did you apply the advice I gave you in your other thread? Myself and others spent some time typing out our responses to you regarding the McDonalds girl in your other thread
and how to get the right attitude about women, and you didn't even stick around to acknowledge any of it. Then you come on here again and start on this pathetic rant?

How about instead of bitching, you give us a progress report? Or do you just see this forum as your emotional dumping grounds for your frustration?

Give us something to work with here.

As far as "why" things are the way they are, thinking about how much it "sucks" is more than counterproductive as was said in post #2.

Before you go start another whiny thread why not tell us what you have done to improve your station?

Quote:I am however, not coming across awkward in normal conversation. I know how to talk and am better at it than most

I bet...

Quote: With the american girl i was relaxed and we did laugh and etc, but then when i asked what she was doing she said home, and didnt ask me what i was doing as someone who was interested would have.

Why did you see it fit to reiterate that part, who fucking cares? You seem so bent out of shape over the fact that "if she was interested she would have invited you along". Since when does a player leave it up to the bitch to make moves?


I know it's lost on you but I'm going to try to help you out here. Forget about women. You have bigger problems. Just learn to have fun. Stop taking yourself so fucking seriously. Maybe you should stick around and read
more and write less. This forum can offer you a lot if you just open your mind a little.

Post: #14

@ TornadoByProxy

"Being a man means being strong enough to do the work [...] and [...] prevail."

This is a fantastic statement. I'm going to add it to my collection of good thought notecards.

Post: #15

OP, we as people often think we are being seen in one way when in reality, we are seen in a different light. The human ego can be quite deceiving to protect itself.

(04-15-2016 10:22 AM)Christyot Wrote:  I know how to talk and am better at it than most.

(04-15-2016 10:31 AM)Christyot Wrote:  maybe a bit better when it comes to conversation.

(04-15-2016 07:01 AM)Christyot Wrote:  I'm a pretty good looking dude, it should not be hard for me to find someone interested in me.

If you are as smooth and as good looking as you think you are, you wouldn't be struggling like this. Something is not congruent, negative energy can still work for good looking brooding guys that provide some edge. But it seems your negativity coupled with an overrating of your assets may be causing you some issues.

What I suggest is that you:
1) Take the feedback to heart - these guys are trying to help you
2) You have not lashed out yet - but measure your words and replies in this thread. I have seen too many threads where people are trying to help someone, they get defensive and then have a meltdown and eventual banning. I don't want that for anyone - especially if it can be avoided with some emotional control.

Best of luck OP.

Post: #16

Post: #17

The evolutionary psychology stuff may not apply to a lot of situations but this is one example where it does. About 40% of men and 80% of women have been reproductively successful throughout human history (i.e. had kids). Women have options. It isn't supposed to be easy for men. Guys that have an attitude similar to the original post are supposed to get weeded out.

Post: #18

My writing in English might be a 6.5/10, and even I thought the writing from the OP sounded bizarre. Even foreigners when writing in English can allude a certain amount of charm in their writing, but in OP's

case, there's none. If I was a Bitch, my pussy would be drier from reading his responses, and that says a lot! Just sit back and read OP, you'll learn a lot trust me

Post: #19

One paragraph in and I can tell your Irish. Grab a €10 euro flight to Birmingham and try there. British girls love the Irish accent. Like how Irish girls love the English accent.


Are you being forward enough?
Do you dress well? (probably not if your in one of shit towns in the sticks)
Is your social circle large enough?
Do you have any hobbies?


I notice that in friend groups all the girls have been around all the guys.

Try using online game too. I got a fair few matches when I was there. Although I was constantly moving around so never followed any up.


From my own experience I found being somewhat aggressive did the trick. Shifting is very easy in fact, probably the easiest country I've been to.

Thing for you to reflect on.
Get a gym membership and go (or buy some dumbbells for home)
Improve your clothing style
Get a hobby. Something you enjoy and gives you something to talk about
Make some new friends, reconnect with school friends if you have to


I don't think you really understand girls a great deal. If a girl is interested in you she will make it easier of you to talk to her. When you go to a bar or club once you get your drink stay at the bar. Stay there for the duration of you drink 20-30 minutes or so. Look where people walk to and where from. Chat with other people at the bar and it'll make you more sociable.

Think of pick up like a heavy session at the gym. You could go in without a warm but it'll be twice as hard. Chat to a few people before, gets in you into the groove before hand. That is your warm up. There is a reason why Roosh recommends watching the Seinfeld chronicles. If you can talk to a bunch of people watching people interact whilst laughing will help you get into the mood.

Post: #20

Women just have so many options these days unless you stand out in some way to them you're just another guy. They are flooded with good looking guys on Tinder, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter all day so being average looking in person does pretty much nothing for them. They all get regular sex with guys who are better looking than they are. They know most guys are looking to fuck them quick so they won't give you the opportunity to escalate the interaction unless they have already decided they would be open to sex with you.

I don't mean to be insulting either but you might not be as good looking as you say. I'm below average looking facially and it's common for me to get similar responses to you.

Unless you have something else to offer ($$, fame, good game) you pretty much have to take what you can get. Women are all dating/fucking higher on the chain than their male counterparts so if you want fast results be willing to reduce your standards quite a bit.

Otherwise, you need good to great game if you expect to be fucking women as good looking or better looking than you are

Regarding working out like some have mentioned - by all means work out for your own self-improvement but I have noticed that it has become way less effective in attracting the 18-22 women over the last 10 years. Probably because working out has become a trendy thing with the younger generation and more guys have good bodies in the eyes of women.

Post: #21

(04-16-2016 01:53 PM)Razor Beast Wrote:  Regarding working out like some have mentioned - by all means work out for your own self-improvement but I have noticed that it has become way less effective in attracting the 18-22 women over the last 10 years. Probably because working out has become a trendy thing with the younger generation and more guys have good bodies in the eyes of women.

If everyone is doing it, it becomes a barrier to entry instead of a ticket to excellence. Sort of like what happened with college degrees.

Hitting the gym is as important as ever, but yeah, you need to cultivate other things and be amazing.

Post: #22

Find a coffee shop near you with young female employees. Become a regular there, and talk to the girls working there with ZERO intention of getting laid with any of them. Become completely comfortable casually talking with them for a few minutes each day, laughing at your
jokes, to the point that they give you free drinks and actively seek you out on their breaks to talk with, because you're an interesting, relaxed guy who makes them feel at ease. Do this for several months.

Then do as many approaches in pubs/nightclubs as you can with the same attitude. Tell us how it goes.

You say you used to think everyone wants to meet people, that you're an attractive guy and you should have this and that, all these newspaper like questions about why it's this way or the other. These are all counterproductive thoughts, and you need to check it at the door. Your ego is fucking wrecking you.

Post: #23

Why do you think that you are entitled to pussy? What makes to think that you are "better" than most at conversation (whatever that's supposed to mean)? Especially given that you are making chicks feel uncomfortable asking them awkward shit like how society works in relation to sex?

From the looks of it, your game sucks. Be honest to yourself with regards to your shortcomings. It's ok, nobody's perfect. Crush your ego and do the work, man.

Post: #24

(04-15-2016 10:22 AM)Christyot Wrote:  They dont realise how easy they have it, but thats the way it is.

I sense bitterness.





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