(04-12-2016 05:50 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  I thought i'd just put this out here since terror links that originate in asia and extend to Europe are not mentioned much in the mainstream media. The dots usually aren't connected for various reasons.

Good post.
Luckily RVF is not the mainstream media. We discussed those links in the thread about the Bangkok bombings:

Bomb Blast in Central Bangkok

I'll be totally shameless and quote myself, as it might add to this thread:

(08-31-2015 03:17 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  Just like WalterBlack I suspect the Uyghur connection.

It might have something to do with that, from July 2015:
Thailand returns scores of Uighurs to China

Quote:Thailand has sent nearly 100 Uighur Muslims back to China, a move likely to anger Turkey, as protesters targeted Thai honorary consulate in Istanbul against the move.
(...)
Thailand's embassy in Ankara announced on its Facebook page that protesters angry over the Uighur issue stormed the consulate in Istanbul late on Wednesday and warned around 1,300 Thais living in Turkey to "be on alert" following the attack.

Deportations like that seem to be a regular occurrence.
We know that the arrested suspect had a considerable number of fake Turkish passports in his possession and that the SEA route from Yunnan via Thailand to Malaysia is a popular escape route for Uyghurs who have some reason to leave China illegally, most heading to Turkey which grants them asylum.

My theory is that parts of the Turkish intelligence community close to the AKP and Erdoğan are instructed to provide Uyghurs from China with Turkish identities so that they can travel to Syria via Turkey and join ISIS.

This would fit with Erdoğan´s previous policy of barely concealed support for the Islamic State in order to keep the region unstable, weaken Assad further, prevent the Iranian supported Shiite forces from gaining ground, prevent the Kurds from consolidating and finally proclaiming their own state, ensure Turkey´s current state of being the dominant regional hegemon and thus advance his neo-Ottoman ambitions.

Now the following part is purely speculation on my part. When they have completed their basic training, gained combat experience and have been taught the ABC of asymetric warfare, they will be (are?) extracted and smuggled across the border back to Xinjiang/Turkestan via the Central Asian republics and join the anti-Chinese insurgency. There´s a considerable pan-Turkish sentiment in parts of the Turkish government that would love to see an independent Turkestan.

Some of these Uyghurs extracted via Thailand are obviously loose cannons, and it doesn´t seem far-fetched that one of them sought retribution for his recently deported Uyghur brothers (nothing good awaits them in China). So he plants a bomb at the Erawan shrine, which is popular with Chinese tourists.
It kills some Thais? Good. It kills some Chinese? Even better.
Also keep in mind that the other bomb that luckily detonated in the water was thrown at a Skytrain station that a lot of Chinese tour groups pass through, Saphan Taksin. There has also been a a report in the English-language Bangkok Post which suggested that police had strengthened security around the Chinese embassy two weeks before the explosion, reportedly after receiving intelligence of an attack planned on Chinese tourists after Aug. 18.

If ISIS should sicker into Thailand it wouldn't surprise me. Saudi Arabia has intensified relations to Malaysia in the past few years, and we all know what that means. The southern part of Thailand close to Malaysia, where the three separatist provinces are located, is considered Dar al-Islam, unfortunately occupied by the infidels. An unbearable situation for Muslims, and a great opportunity for the Saudis and their Malay lapdogs.
Read more here:
South Thailand insurgency

Let's just have a quick look at the main separatist movements there and see what they have in common:

Quote:The Barisan Revolusi Nasional-Koordinasi (BRN-C) is currently the most important group, spearheading the insurgency in southern Thailand. It was revived after 2001 and its leaders are mainly Salafi religious teachers who have rejected the Pan-Arab socialist ideology of the early BRN, engaging in political activism by recruiting followers in mosques and indoctrinating at Islamic schools. This group has the vision of becoming a mass movement, aiming towards having 400,000 members in its area of operation. The BRN-C has no constructive cultural or nationalistic goals, instead its immediate aim is to make southern Thailand ungovernable. It has been largely successful at spreading and maintaining an atmosphere of terror and uncertainty through well-trained secret militant units that engage in assassinations and calculated destruction.

Quote:The Runda Kumpulan Kecil (RKK), allegedly one of the armed wings of the BRN-C, has been one of the most brutal and ruthless groups of the south Thailand insurgency in recent years. It is composed of young, mostly Salafi, militants who routinely flee to Malaysia after carrying out violent attacks, including bombings, arson, and murders in Yala, Pattani, or Narathiwat Province. Although several RKK members have been arrested or killed by the Thai military in the past decade, it is difficult for those involved in counter-insurgency to penetrate the structure of the group owing to its secrecy and mobility.

Quote:Like the BRN-C, the Gerakan Mujahidin Islam Patani (GMIP) is a group that experienced a revival after 2001 and has currently more hard-line Islamic political goals, to the detriment of its former nationalist cause. Its members are now believed to have sympathies with Al Qaeda and with the establishment of the transnational Islamic Caliphate.

Quote:The Barisan Bersatu Mujahidin Patani (BBMP) was created in 1985 as a radical breakaway of the National Front for the Liberation of Pattani (BNPP), distinguished from the latter by its overt Islamist ideology.

Quote:The Patani United Liberation Organisation (PULO) is a movement that was founded on the nationalist and secular values of Patani nation-building. Its priority was freeing Pattani from Thai rule by all means, including armed struggle.
However, since 2001 the civil society in the three southern Thai provinces has experienced a widespread imposition of legalistic Salafi norms and the reality on the ground is today very different from what it was in former southern Thailand. Salafism has heavily eroded Patani cultural identity and current insurgent groups have extreme religious goals, such as an Islamic Caliphate, to the detriment of Patani nationalism. Although some of the present-day insurgents are very likely former PULO members, it is still unclear whether they fight for PULO's cause and it is likely that many may have become part of the more active and religious organisations that have overtaken PULO. In recent years PULO's leadership has largely lost control over its insurgents and has a very limited overall degree of influence over the insurgency in southern Thailand.

Well, who would have thought. Surprise, surprise.

(04-12-2016 07:01 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  I wonder what the E.U. would look like if there was a strict performance clause attached to being a member nation even after joining. Let's say your nation's economy is shit and the government is run like a banana republic like Greece you have a certain number of years to get your shit together or you get booted from the E.U.

Then maybe once every couple years after that your nation can appeal to rejoin when it stops being a burden.

What's clear is that the E.U.'s economic model of being the rising tide that lifts all boats is not working over the long haul though.

The E.U. is one giant case of moral hazard. Using Greece, did anyone really think the Greeks weren't going to somehow get a bailout? If they left the E.U., it would show the cards are crumbling and the E.U. would fall relatively fast. If they were allowed to remain, the E.U. would preserve itself a bit but ultimately face this exact same crisis in a few years again. Will there be any substantial, structural change to Greek taxation and finances for the long-term? Absolutely not. They may be passing laws now, but laws can be overturned and politicians voted out of office.

I can't wait for the next Grexit debate. The only question is will it happen in 2016 or will they dangle on the hook long enough and prolong it to 2017?

Germany is seen as the economic powerhouse but the image can shift very fast. Just remember about 15 years ago, Germany was the weak man of Europe and the next problem is on the rise.

   
http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article154...hland.html

Quote:There is hardly a developed country of labor that is so heavily loaded with taxes and social contributions as ours. This is especially true when the experts are aware of what employers pay in social insurance. Then make taxes from 49.4 percent of the average gross wage of Singles. Higher is the overall burden of employers and workers only in Belgium and Austria; there it is at 55.3 percent and 49.5 percent.

Germany will face an impact of its system soon. When more people retire and 90 % of the "new arrivals" just depend on the social welfare state for the next decade. And now the economy is running well but still the state takes so much away. How will it be when times get worse? Maybe in 10 years Germany will face a giant problem to finance it's greedy welfare system. People between 20 to 40 now will mostly be poor when they retire, then the failed integration and other stuff.

Germany will fall, and if so, it falls hard. Merkel did not do any reforms since 2005. Most voters are over 50, so politics will pay them attention and not the younger people. The government give away a lot of benefits for older people because the younger ones are not strong enough to rise a voice.

I hate how Belgium is considered wealthy. They're wealthy because they skim off the froth from productive industries. Tell me how a city of lawyers, bureaucrats, and paper pushers would survive without the EU?

Activities such as government spending should be considered having a negative impact on GDP.

(They won't)

(04-12-2016 05:50 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  I thought i'd just put this out here since terror links that originate in asia and extend to Europe are not mentioned much in the mainstream media. The dots usually aren't connected for various reasons.

Last September the Erawan shrine in Bangkok was bombed and the suspects were uighur militants (with Turkish passports) who were doing reprisal attacks in Thailand. It's been known for some time now that Uighur militants "fleeing" China were using Thailand as an underground railroad of sorts to send recruits who were then hooked up with fake passports/id (usually Turkish no surprise there) and rerouted to other places around the world or sent to enact terrorist plots within Asia.

Instead of granting automatic asylum for these sketchy "refugees" Thailand started sending them back to China where Chinese special ops deals with muslim terrorists in their own special way. It should be noted that Turkey offered to take in these Uighurs and it should also be mentioned that Uighur militants often pop up in the ranks of ISIS within Syria as foreign jihadists. The Thai government policy of sending uighurs back to China pissed off various extremist muslim groups (and Turkey) a lot. This activity once again confirms something we've all discussed. Turkey acts as a routing and training hub for terrorists.

Apparently from recent news these groups also work with Chechen terrorists and ISIS so the rabbit hole goes pretty deep. Muslim extremist groups have been trying to establish a global asia pipeline for years to funnel militants into Europe and other parts of Asia. It's already happened to some extent in Indonesia but multiple national agencies cracked down on the Bali bomber network hard because it was Al Quaeda related and the mass casualities were mostly Australian.

However, in places like Thailand where terror networks are also home grown the various global muslim groups have been trying to establish an informal foothold in the region. They've been probing an alliance with Thailand's southern muslim region for awhile now. There's always been a big question as to how Thailand's muslim extremists from the south are constantly obtaining arms, insurgent training,and IED knowledge.

Here's where things get interesting: There was recently a terror alert of a planned attack in Phuket against Russian AND Chinese tourists in Thailand. This was even verified by Russian security services who sent a separate warning to the Thai embassy about Syrian ISIS infiltrating into Thailand.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php...1460112616

Thai government immediately downplayed it and threatened the press for leaking. Which is usually done when they don't want to spook tourists or business investment which also means there's usually some credibility behind it.

This is very interesting and important to point out. Many of these terrorists recive training in Afghanistan and have tight conections with the talibans, thats why China for years have trying to keep them under control and one of the reasons why they and Russia have supported president Assads regime against the "rebells". Dont forget the attack on Tiananmen square in 2013 was done by islamist uighurs http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...aders.html





Meanwhile, in the western media we have been fed this image of that the uyghurs are being ethnicly cleansed just for being a minority, just like the tibetans. I know that the chinese goverment is harsh, to say the least, but one have to consider the facts that Parzival brings up about Turkey and the saudies activly supporting destabilization of the Xijiang province.
Heres a example from journeymanpictures about trying to feel sorry for an oppressed minority without regarding the problems presented in the video.

(04-11-2016 11:28 AM)redpillage Wrote:  Sweden overwhelmed by gypsy street beggars:

While Sweden's seemingly self-imposed refugee crisis continues to roil the nation's population, it appears a different and potentially just as problematic social unrest looms. As Gatestone reports, for the last few years, immigration-welcoming Sweden has been overwhelmed with Roma beggars from Romania and Bulgaria who have turned "panhandling into an occupation."

Nobody knows exactly how many of them there are, but The Gatestone Institute's Ingrid Carlqvist reports, Sweden has been overwhelmed with Roma beggars from Romania and Bulgaria. In 2014, the newspaperSydsvenskan reported that an estimated 600 Roma beggars lived in the country; a few months ago, the government-appointed "National Coordinator for Vulnerable EU Citizens," Martin Valfridsson, found that there are now around 4,000.

"We do not fool anyone. We just benefit from the opportunity." — Bulgarian beggar in Sweden who said he "owned" five street corners.

"If the begging is profitable, they stay miserable.... [Giving money] improves the acute situation. At the same time, it contributes to making the bigger issue permanent -- the misery.... It will not help the Roma, but it gives you a chance to feel like a good person. ... The basic concept of racism is precisely that we as westerners and Swedes are far superior (smarter) and that the Roma are inferior (dumber). If this... is not racist then I do not know what is. ... One could add that the image is inverted among Roma. They consider themselves superior and smart, while the gadjo (non-gypsies) are stupid, naïve and gullible." — Karl-Olov Arnstberg, Swedish ethnologist

"It is our very strong recommendation not to give money to beggars. It turns the panhandling into an occupation... To give [money] encourages a life with no future; moving from country to country does not solve their problems." — Florin Ivanovici, director of the Life and Light Foundation, Bucharest, Romania.

You see beggars sitting outside virtually every store, not just in the big cities, but also in small rural villages. In the far north of Sweden, at gas stations in the middle of nowhere, patrons are greeted by beggars saying "Hello, hello!" while holding out their paper cups.



But it gets better - further in the article:

Still, it is not just the lack of anti-panhandling laws and the abundance of welfare benefits that have made Sweden so popular among Roma beggars -- or "vulnerable EU citizens" as they are called in politically-correct Swedish. The Roma soon realized that Swedes feel uneasy when they see poor people, and therefore are very willing to put money in the beggars' cups. A typical Swedish attitude is: "Of course no one would ever degrade themselves willingly by begging from other people, everyone wants to work and support themselves. It is unfair that we have it so good, when they suffer so much."



So basically word has gone around among gypsy circles that Swedes are 'naturally born suckers' and thus make an easy mark. If resistive then press them a little and make them feel guilty. Heck I should buy a black wig some brown shoe paste and join the racket.

Yup, the good news just keep coming... Sweden (and soon Germany) is slowly reacquainting itself with what it means to face 'reality'. You made your bed, now sleep in it.

Oh man, yeah this has really exploded in the last couple of years. Like so many others they have realized that there is no such thing as consequences in Sweden, in fact they are even supported by some home-less organizations and the swedish organization for ethnic romans by giving them 'jobs' selling magazines in trainstations and on the trains (I highly doubt they pay for an access card like the rest of us thou). A couple of months ago I was on my way somewhere and i passed by a place nearby where I live where they always sit. The man who sits there greets me with: "Hello! Hello!", I ignorre him, then he starts mumbling, obviously cursing something. I got instantly mad, turn around and asks: "What!?, you dont think i know you are cursing at me now huh!?", the man looks surprised and scared, for real. I keep going thinking about how unbeliveable it is that someone can talk shit about you in front of you because he wouldnt voluntarily give his money to you without anything in exchange. When I come back he smiles at me and greets me with a different kind of "Hej! hello, hello" like if he want to say that he was sorry. I ignore him, and i have never seen him again now there is some lady sitting there on the exact same spot begging. They are obviously organized deciding who is best to put where in what shift.

Here is a reportage from bulgarina tv(!) about the gypsi problem here in Sweden, with english subs.






Compare that to swedish television who made a reportage a couple of months ago about where these people comes from. The whole thing was about how hard life was for them and so on, but then one lady explained how she was going to Sweden for The Third Time to beg so she could get money for her daughters to go to school. No one seems to question how they can manage to get enough cash for a bus ticket across Europe and then to stay in a country whith some of the highest prices in the world, to save money without working, to get back home and pay for their kids school. Crime?

Teenage girl 'raped by six jeering men in dosshouse for migrants after being lured there with a friend by the group'

Of course the comments are disabled.

She was gang raped and had to physically fight to get out. Some highlights:

Quote:‘He raped me. I kept saying stop and he started to get more aggressive. I ran out of the bedroom. I headbutted one of them and punched one.
‘I lost it as I went downstairs, I went mad and they still would not let me out. [My friend] got a man from over the road and he was talking to them to try to get me out.
‘Even when I was walking up the road the boys were walking with me, begging me to come back in.’ The girl described the property as ‘like a foreigners’ dosshouse’ which was split into bedsits. She said it had a distinctive smell of ‘men’s BO [body odour]’.

Quote:The two men were arrested by police the next day. In an interview, Naeem said the girl forced herself on him. The prosecutor told the court: ‘He said he did not want sex as he said it was against his religion to have sex outside of marriage.’
Naeem admitted having sex with the girl for 25 minutes but claimed she begged him, saying ‘have sex with me, have sex with me’.

Quote:Germany will face an impact of its system soon.

The Germans have access to Occulus Rift and feeding tubes.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ap...nuel-valls

French PM calls for ban on Islamic headscarves at universities

Manuel Valls also claims most French people think Islam is incompatible with values of Republic


He can change most french, to most Europeans.

(04-13-2016 04:53 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  I hate how Belgium is considered wealthy. They're wealthy because they skim off the froth from productive industries. Tell me how a city of lawyers, bureaucrats, and paper pushers would survive without the EU?

Activities such as government spending should be considered having a negative impact on GDP.

(They won't)

Its the same like in Germany, the state take a lot of taxes but for the citizens? Not a lot left. Many Germans don't own property, they have debts and when they lose their job or retire, they have not a lot left. Its like living from the hand to the mouth because the government take such a lot away from you.
Most Germans also just have one kid, so nobody that will take care of you when you are old and your retirement money will just prevent you from starving.

When you already notice the more crime related and social problem areas, they will grow but other areas will attract more people, more jobs. In the future the standard of living will not as equal any longer in Germany. Those that are left behind, and there are the immigrants and so called refugees including, will radicalise more and more.

(04-12-2016 05:38 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(04-12-2016 04:54 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(04-12-2016 10:38 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  You must have missed the part where I said they actually get plenty of benefits coming here. Remember that before posting another uninformed comment. They simply DON'T KNOW about the things they would get if they did. And I don't mind that at all.

Let me rephrase what I said so it sounds intellectual for your emotions.

Portugal, like Spain, Italy and Greece are basket case economies who joined the EU in eager anticipation of free shit. They have no economy outside of fruit, veg, nice weather for time shares and boring old British people.

Their history is rich but that is all it is, history. These countries could be removed from the face of the Earth tomorrow and nobody will give a shit, except for the old British time share crowd and British supermarkets who love cheap fruit and veg.

They are dependents and as dependents they rely on the EU to give free shit so they toe the line. They have this socialism in their blood so ofcourse they will give it away. The only reason the migrants are not swamping Portugal is because Germany has better PR than them.

I'm pretty sure Germany is safer for them too citing religious and race reason. Watch a German football match and see how many chants of racism are carried out, now watch Spanish, Italian, Greek and Portugese matches.

If you want to learn European racism 101 watch those countries.

They have nice weather and free stuff, thats it. Immigrants are being led by the piper (Germany) for political reasons. What matters most to the EU as a power base? Germany suffering economic meltdown or Portugal?

Ergo; nobody gives a rats ass about basket case countries on the Med.

Can you give us the pleasure to know from where you come from?

In one single post you managed to offend the heritage of the nations that layed the foundations of the Illuminated western culture. The Greeks who founded it, the Romans who inherited and expanded, the Spanish and Portuguese who spread it all over the world, not to mention the countless philosopher, great rulers, warriors, writers, poets, painters, architects, schools of thinking, and so on that all these countries and civilizations combined offered to this world where you live right now, writing on the internet in the comfort of your home, not beeing affraid that a bear will enter your cavern to eat you and the food you collected in the last hunt.

If Italy is basket case economy, an Industrial and electronic superpower, with Ferrari, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Maserati, Prada, Giorgio Armani, Bulgari, Martini, Chicco, Lamborghini, Pirelli, Indesit, Lancia, DeLonghi, Ariston, Ducatti, Iveco, Beretta...just to mention a few, I wonder what Industrial brands does your country produce.

Spain is another Industrial and economic superpower, living a bad moment due to the global bubble, suddenly I can remeber brands like Seat and all from Inditex group, the biggest fishing fleet in the EU...You probably never been to Spain too.

Portugal and Greece are smaller, yet the EU managed to put them even in worst competitive conditions and in more debt than previously.

You quote car manufacturers as major contributors on the world stage? If that was so how come Italy isn't an economic power house?

I never had issue with their history which I obviously stated in my post which you quoted; Their history is rich but that is all it is, history.

I know where civilisation was born, I did history and still have an interest in it but we're here and now. What does Italy do except make fancy cars, promote an F1 team, manufacturer luxury goods to rich Russians, Arabs and Chinese?

Spain has the largest fruit and vegetable plantation in Europe on its coast which funnily enough is worked on by migrants.

Here is a useful link; Link

These countries have no financial centre like London or Frankfurt. Without the City of London (banks, insurance, trading, private deals) the UK would be a basket case country.

They do not work the hours Germans or British people work and as such they won't come close. What they are doing is giving away socialism like candy and thats the danger. You do not have the financial centre to back up the reckless free-for-all going on and they get a lot of money from the EU which is gained from richer EU member states.

^

http://fortune.com/2015/11/11/chart-work-week-oecd/

IGNORANT ONCE AGAIN. All of the Med countries work longer on average hours than British or Germans. And Italy isn't an economic power house, sure, yet ranks 7th in economies worldwide or something of the sort. BASKET CASE

Working hours are somewhat of a useless metric too since productivity and the way business is processed is what really matters.

1 Mexico 42.85
2 Costa Rica 42.62
3 Korea 40.85
4 Greece 39.27
5 Chile 38.27
6 Russia 38.17
7 Latvia 37.27
8 Poland 36.98
9 Iceland 35.85
10 Estonia 35.75
11 Hungary 35.73
12 Portugal 35.71
13 Israel 35.63
14 Lithuania 35.27
15 Ireland 35.02
16 United States 34.40
17 Czech Republic 34.15
18 Slovakia 33.90
19 New Zealand 33.88
20 Italy 33.35
21 Japan 33.25
22 Canada 32.77
23 Spain 32.48
24 United Kingdom 32.25
25 Australia 32.00
26 Finland 31.63
27 Luxembourg 31.60
28 Austria 31.33
29 Sweden 30.94
30 Switzerland 30.15
31 Slovenia 30.02
32 France 28.33
33 Denmark 27.62
34 Norway 27.44
35 Netherlands 27.40
36 Germany 26.37

How can someone blatantly spout out ignorance when the answer is available at the distance of a click?

(04-13-2016 08:19 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  How can someone blatantly spout out ignorance when the answer is available at the distance of a click?

Lemoned Iscream, you answered to that question yourself:
"Working hours are somewhat of a useless metric too since productivity and the way business is processed is what really matters"

He did sound like a dick writing that about the Mediterranean countries. Unfortunately, he is correct.

We deliver Sun, Sand, Sex and Socialism. Mixed with the best food in the world.
We simply do not add significant value to the world. And our history is unfortunately past which is shat and pissed upon by present and future.
Our policies are disastrous (as our debt to GDP ratio will tell you) and we can be summed in a simple phrase: "Throw money at problems until they disappear".
Socialism has failed, and we have failed to cope with that. As a result our "once glorious" countries have turned to vacation parlors.

Portugal is in such a deplorable state at the moment, and still we give the same or more to the rapefugees than germans or swedes. now stop discussing minutae and lets talk about rapefugees invading our homelands.

I did not dispute any of that about Portugal. I am merely disputing the lies being thrown around. No need to build up all those strawmans I will be the first guy in here to complain about our economic policies and our governments. I was just before highlighting the fact that we give them almost as much as those countries and still they don't come here due to sheer ignorance (and that's good). Thus trying to show the lengths at which these people are moochers.

(04-13-2016 09:39 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 08:19 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  How can someone blatantly spout out ignorance when the answer is available at the distance of a click?

Lemoned Iscream, you answered to that question yourself:
"Working hours are somewhat of a useless metric too since productivity and the way business is processed is what really matters"

He did sound like a dick writing that about the Mediterranean countries. Unfortunately, he is correct.

We deliver Sun, Sand, Sex and Socialism. Mixed with the best food in the world.
We simply do not add significant value to the world. And our history is unfortunately past which is shat and pissed upon by present and future.
Our policies are disastrous (as our debt to GDP ratio will tell you) and we can be summed in a simple phrase: "Throw money at problems until they disappear".
Socialism has failed, and we have failed to cope with that. As a result our "once glorious" countries have turned to vacation parlors.

Portugal is in such a deplorable state at the moment, and still we give the same or more to the rapefugees than germans or swedes. now stop discussing minutae and lets talk about rapefugees invading our homelands.

Italy is not just Italy, Northern Italy is the richest region of Europe, the global design capital, finance, production, food, it's not a coincidence Tuscany is the most sought after place to stay for wealthy Europeans along with French riviera.

Northern Italians are well aware of this, as the party Lega Nord basically wanted to secede from the South and lots of Northerns support it.

Etnically speaking there is some difference too, Northern Italians have a lot of Celtic and Germanic heritage, while Southern Italians have more Greek, Northern African, Levantine in them.

(04-13-2016 11:41 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Italy is not just Italy, Northern Italy is the richest region of Europe, the global design capital, finance, production, food, it's not a coincidence Tuscany is the most sought after place to stay for wealthy Europeans along with French riviera.

Northern Italians are well aware of this, as the party Lega Nord basically wanted to secede from the South and lots of Northerns support it.

Etnically speaking there is some difference too, Northern Italians have a lot of Celtic and Germanic heritage, while Southern Italians have more Greek, Northern African, Levantine in them.

And it gets wealthier as one moves further north than where you mention.

Lemoned and Wreckingball, derailing a little bit here, but from previous posts I believe both of you guys are still students, but let me give here my take on this theme of the working hours.
Yes, it is true that in the mediterranean countries the people work more hours in average than northern europe. And I will give you the reasons, based on my experience in the workforce here in Portugal.

1 - asslicking culture, people think that by staying extra hours in the office they will be promoted
2 - Despite the previous point, inside the corporations 20% of the people are making the work of the other 80%, this has anything to do with the previous, but because the job has to be done and someone has to do it. Some people can not live with a desk full of papers and postponing issues.
3 - Socialism and laissez faire here works also for the bosses, because the workplace rules are not enforced, and most of them use fear tactics to make people work more than the regulated 8 hours. A clear example are the drivers on distribution companies, where the shift only finishes when all the goods are delivered, even if that takes 15 hours, this is something that unthinkable in Germany for example, hell, even the state uses schemes for doctors and nurses working extra unpaid hours.

I would say that in many sectors the hours in the graphic that Lemoned posted do not reflect reality for the less. Like I wrote, inside the workforce 20% so this means we have 10% people producing in this country. But do not get fooled, there is work, and work.is done, many multinationals companies give Portugal as an example of a successful branch.

On a side note, we should meet one of these days, a meeting of the Portuguese rvf branch ))

As for foolsgold, he just completed the previous nonsensical post with yet another nonsense. I will put no more gas on that fire.

Wreckingball, the world is not just industrial output and financial centers, saying that these countries do not add significant value to the world is a very reductive perspective, that with time you will surely understand. I was there some years ago after graduation ))

Yes let's end the derailing, and you'll get no argument on that from me. I am so pissed off at how this country is ran you have no idea.

And yes, still a student but that is also precisely what I study about, business strategy processes along with millitary strategic issues and intelligence gathering and analysing. Anyway could add a bit more but no point. I'll watch the Benfica game now

I see your time in eastern europe has given you the )))) syndrome

What do southern Europeans gain when they are working like the Germans? Most Germans can't relax, prefer career over family and act stiff. Their schedule is work work work, and in their free time drinking beer and get drunk. Then later they get a burn out and slip into ageing poverty.
All the money that is made is inside the companies and the government, Germans themselves don't get that much out of it.


I'm amazed by the reports about Berlin. When I talk about Berlin its like Ra’s al Ghul talking about Gotham and that the only way to safe it, is to burn it down.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...rdell.html

Quote:With hundreds of police officers the police carried a large raid on Berlins largest brothel "Artemis". This is also used by Arab family clans as a source of income.

Quote:The Artemis is used as a source of income. As reported from police sources, Arab family clans would regardless of German pimps let their own women work there and break any resistance with violence.

Maybe it was the bad google translation, but from the article tone looks like the authorities were more concerned by the money not tributed in the prostitute-client than other thing.

(04-13-2016 04:53 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  I hate how Belgium is considered wealthy. They're wealthy because they skim off the froth from productive industries. Tell me how a city of lawyers, bureaucrats, and paper pushers would survive without the EU?

Activities such as government spending should be considered having a negative impact on GDP.

(They won't)

Same thing we have here in Australia. Canberra is pretty much a federal money spigot that flows outward from the parliament building servicing a giant bureaucracy filled with fuckwits drawing six figure public salaries for doing make-work.

Then they have the audacity to brag about how the average wage is much higher there and more gallingly use themselves as an example that when you expand government reach that it creates prosperity.

The place needs a fucking nuke dropped on it.

Regarding this whole hubub about southern EU nations vs northern EU nations, I think it's tending to miss the point.

Collectivism always ends in a shitfight because some members value work ethic more than ease of living and the former invariably end up funding the latter.

Here's the thing. There's nothing wrong with valuing ease of living. But if the workers and the slackers are tied into a mutual arrangement then obviously it's not going to work out.

Collectivist entities like the EU are bound to fail. Even the mighty United States of America is coming apart at the seems, and arguably it would have dissolved in 1861 but for the subjugation and consequent military occupation of the South.

To the greatest extent possible, people must be responsible for their own outcomes. Germans have no right to demand Greeks work a five day week and retire at 65, and Greeks have no right to expect Germans to fund the alternative.

Yet to the narcissist megalomaniacs of the EU this is anathema. Mankind will be dragged forward into a golden age of bland homogeneity, kicking and screaming if need be, and they will preside over this earth and the universe beyond it as benevolent gods. All previous failures to do this were a result of a lack in technology or poor operating principles, and when this lot fail spectacularly the next mob will say exactly the same thing.

(04-13-2016 07:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Regarding this whole hubub about southern EU nations vs northern EU nations, I think it's tending to miss the point.

Collectivism always ends in a shitfight because some members value work ethic more than ease of living and the former invariably end up funding the latter.

Here's the thing. There's nothing wrong with valuing ease of living. But if the workers and the slackers are tied into a mutual arrangement then obviously it's not going to work out.

Collectivist entities like the EU are bound to fail. Even the mighty United States of America is coming apart at the seems, and arguably it would have dissolved in 1861 but for the subjugation and consequent military occupation of the South.

To the greatest extent possible, people must be responsible for their own outcomes. Germans have no right to demand Greeks work a five day week and retire at 65, and Greeks have no right to expect Germans to fund the alternative.

Yet to the narcissist megalomaniacs of the EU this is anathema. Mankind will be dragged forward into a golden age of bland homogeneity, kicking and screaming if need be, and they will preside over this earth and the universe beyond it as benevolent gods. All previous failures to do this were a result of a lack in technology or poor operating principles, and when this lot fail spectacularly the next mob will say exactly the same thing.

The consequence of single currency(Euro) and free movement of people is financial iniquity across the federation of EU states.

England is full of people from poorer EU nations, doing minimum wage work and sometimes illegal work. The consequence of that is depression of wages generally. Businesses have no motivation to try and attract the best people with good wages, when hordes of people are available to do the work for next to nothing. All of this is plain to see in the EU nations that have the better economies. The poorer countries that are providing the workers go to shit as well. You've got Bulgarians with PhDs driving taxis in England because there's nothing for them in their own country.

Just take a look at the arrogant reaction after the negative vote in the Netherlands for the EU-Ukraine deal. When its about how people should vote, German politicians have a very strong opinion. They are always pro EU and act like dictators. The will of the people only matter if it fits into their globalist EU plan. They want to rule us with laws and restriction, like little kids. They forbid this and that and put a regulation on here and there. Because the EU is their ultimate project for a better society and a new citizen, a new human being. Their utopia dream is strongly driven by the same mindset that the communist have. Regulation, control, all for the sake of a greater goal.

Its like a big machine that suck out the energy and the money of a few to give it to the masses, to keep them silent and in track for their 4. Reich. They deny nationalism and the will of the people. For many German politicians the idea of a ruling EU was what they could hold on after world war two where every nationalism and patriotism was and still is seen as evil. Look how the EU act after the Netherlands, or after the elections in Poland, or back in 2000 in Austria. When there is an anti EU party or movement on the way, their propaganda is on top to blame it. Only their pro EU opinion matter. Its like a communist doctrine. When you analyse the EU further, it looks like an ideal type of communist rulership. They even have EU commissars. A term that only did exist in the Sowjet Union.

(04-13-2016 05:20 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  Maybe it was the bad google translation, but from the article tone looks like the authorities were more concerned by the money not tributed in the prostitute-client than other thing.

A few days ago they did a big raid in several houses to arrest Arab clan members for several crimes. As it seems they try to track them down now to show strength again. We will see if Berlin can keep this up. Since years the reports on the rise that say how authorities losing more and more ground to the Clans.