I presume it's mostly blacks from Angola and some from Cape Verde Islands as they're former Portuguese colonies.
I was in Lisbon for a week or so last year and didn't think it had a huge amount of third world diversity there, certainly nothing like what you get in many other big Western European cities.
Also, I felt safe wandering around, also at night time, and I wasn't always in the nice tourist parts either.
Worst I got was some Middle Eastern looking dudes trying to sell me hash(happened several times!)
I think Portugal's relative lack of prosperity is a blessing in a sense, as it deflects the real bottom of the barrel welfare leeches from coming.
Sure you still get some people coming to sponge off the system but nothing like what there in many other European countries.

See the uruguayan experience with those syrian rapeffuges. Dont know if there are still in Uruguay or moved back to Lebannon.

The funny thing about those brown dudes trying to sell drugs is that they're almost always the same guys, I've been approached many times too, you just say no and they go away, it's a really small blemish to be honest.

The only relevant problem regarding "immigrants" (since many arent even immigrants and were born here) are the gypsies. What a plague. Leech of the system enormously and without shame, do not integrate at all, source of criminal activity, etc etc. I guarantee if I traded one gypsy for a syrian family at a large scale I would save the country money. I'd do that instantly and I can assure you we'd be better off. As for the rest, chinese, slavs, african portuguese, even indians, whatever. Who cares, Portugal is a nation of emigrants too. If people want to come here, work hard and build themselves a new life that's fine by me, whether they're other europeans, americans, or asians (preferably from non muslim zones, like filipinos etc), they can come and they'll probably feel at home. One thing that distinguishes us is that we're a bit better at integration than most other european countries, this could also be noticed in the colonial process.

So that's why I have a different lense when I look at migrants on the European perspective and on the portuguese perspective. In a way if they are liable to assimilation I find it viable. And we are all mongrels here anyway, one way or another, I have at least 2 other different backgrounds besides portuguese. Most of us do anyway. Centuries ago 1/5 of people here were either arab or jewish, where are they today? They are among us. Same happened to the blacks that came (well, that we brought) here in colonial era even 200-300 years ago and the same will happen to those who came here in the last few decades. They'll be swallowed . And that's good. In short, we assimilate by breeding.

Portugal is a basket case with nothing free to give like every other southern European state.

You must have missed the part where I said they actually get plenty of benefits coming here. Remember that before posting another uninformed comment. They simply DON'T KNOW about the things they would get if they did. And I don't mind that at all.

(04-12-2016 10:37 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Portugal is a basket case with nothing free to give like every other southern European state.

Indeed.

One may even consider that this whole Migrant problem is really a deflection from the Euro crisis, which nobody talks about anymore but that is still rumbling in the background.

After all, your economy going down the pan pales into insignificance compared to full on invasion.

Source here

Quote: The comments on Monday followed reports in German weekly magazine "Spiegel," that German Justice Minister and Social Democrat (SPD) Heiko Maas wants to eliminate "gender discriminatory advertising."

The aim of the proposal - which is reportedly in response to the sexual assaults in Cologne on New Year's Eve - is to create a "modern gender image" in Germany, "Spiegel" said. In future, posters or ads which "reduce women or men to sexual objects" could be banned. In the case of dispute, a court would have to decide.

Quote:Free Democratic Party leader Christian Lindner accused the SPD politician on Monday of "heading towards the next step of a nanny state, which doesn't trust the citizens and deems consumers to be incompetent."

Quote: Germany's Association of Communications Agencies (GWA) described Maas' proposal as "completely absurd," arguing that the discussion about rules on advertising would be reduced to a "matter of taste."

"Who wants to clearly decide when advertising is sexist?" GWA President Wolf Ingomar Faecks commented.

Berlin's Justice Senator Thomas Heilmann, a Christian Democrat, also criticized Maas, saying that the SPD "didn't seem to have learnt from the mistakes of the Greens."

The good: there's at least some opposition to that bottomless stupid proposition.

The bad: neither of those three have significant power on federal level (FDP dropped out of parliament in 2013 as an example). They couldn't make Heiko Maas change his mind:

Quote:A draft amendment of the law relating to advertising is due to be discussed by the German government shortly.

Western Europe is doomed. While I'm not German, I gotta get out of this old continent.

Looks like Germany won't be having any Victoria's Secrets ads anymore.

I can't believe what has happened to the land of my forefathers. Pathetic.

Western Europe is lost, indeed.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/...-migrants/

BOMBSHELL REPORT: Berlin ‘Lost To Arab Clans’ Now Recruiting ‘Physically Strong Young Migrants’

Quote:Berlin’s criminal underworld has been “lost to Arab clans” according to a new report published by the mainstream German newspaper Die Welt.

The report, which reveals how Arab migration has transformed Berlin’s entire criminal landscape, exposes how extended migrant families, now recruiting new migrants, run the entirety of the city’s organised crime.

The report speaks of the ‘amazing’ sight of luxury sedans cruising up to refugee, asylum centre, and migrant lodgings filled with “people who have lost everything.”

Investigators reported that the criminal gangs have “exploited the situation” of the migrant crisis, in which German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s policies saw well over a million migrants from the third world world settle in Europe last year.

The source explained that “young and physically strong men” are targeted by the gangs and then used for “dirty work” like burglaries, drug trafficking, and fights with criminal competitors. Child refugees are also welcomed as their faces are unknown to the police.

Despite the prospect of arrest, or even going to prison, many of the new arrivals are willing to take the risk as it is unlikely they will be deported.

Germany’s problems with its immigrant population are nothing new. According to authorities in Berlin the majority of the city’s organised crime is controlled by seven to nine extended families who came in the late 1970s from Lebanon.

Dirk Jacob, the director of the State Criminal Police Office (LKA), describes how the clans specialise in property crime and drug trafficking. They show their power in the city wiith highly visible stunts such as the “daring daylight heist” which saw a masked gang armed with assault rifles, machetes and hand grenades steal the jackpot from a poker tournament at the Hyatt Hotel, and “spectacular heists” at Berlin’s iconic Kaufhaus des Westens luxury department store.

Despite all efforts Jacob says it’s “extremely difficult to penetrate” these extended families as they are “solid structures” that can be cracked “only through lengthy and costly investigations.” Describing problems policemen run into when faced with the clans’ criminal machinations he says if for example, a family member of a competitor is knocked down or seriously injured with a knife, officials have little time to secure the testimony of witnesses.

“Because,” Jacob explains, “very quickly the family turn and manipulate the witness, they are either bought or threatened. After, we learn nothing more.”

The “great families of the city” also control the majority of prostitution in Berlin. Prostitutes must pay the Arab clans a demurrage “otherwise there are beatings”, pimps must pay protection money, and pressure has recently been growing too on the small apartment brothels dotted over the German capital.

What is most startling about the revelations is that it sounds like few areas of business in the city are free from these families’ criminal grasp with “hardly a hookah bar operator spared from extortion”.

Michael Kuhr, Germany’s most famous celebrity bodyguard cooperated with police, as he always does, after the heist at the Hyatt Hotel’s poker tournament. His testimony helped jail the perpetrators, members of the notorious Arab clans, but the former world champion kickboxer said that a contract killer was hired to take his life as a result. For months the professional bodyguard had to be accompanied by personal bodyguards himself.

Mr. Kuhr, who has detailed insight into Berlin’s underworld, declared the capital is “lost” as “[the clans’ structures] are manifested in all areas of organized crime”. In addition, he concluded “the people are extremely dangerous” and have no respect for the state.

Parzival talking about Berlin being lost is right on the money. Crime is set to explode there, it probably already is.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/...-teachers/

Majority Of Muslim Students Think Brussels Terrorists Are ‘Heroes’ Say Teachers

Quote:Teachers working in the predominantly Muslim districts of Molenbeek and Schaerbeek in Brussels have reported that “90 percent of their students, 17, 18 years old” called the Islamist terrorists who attacked Paris and Brussels “heroes”.

The revelation came in an article in the New York Times, wherein Steven Erlanger spoke to a Belgian policymaker who relayed the information from Belgium.

The piece, entitled “Blaming Policy, Not Islam, for Belgium’s Radicalised Youth”, interviewed Yves Goldstein, chief of staff for the minister-president of the Brussels Capital Region and a Schaerbeek councilman. Schaerbeek and Molenbeek are now infamous as the areas in which for months Islamists lived, hid, manufactured weapons and made preparations for the Paris and Belgium attacks.

Reflecting that “our cities are facing a huge problem, maybe the largest since World War II,” Goldstein poses the question, “How is it that people who were born here in Brussels, in Paris, can call heroes the people who commit violence and terror?”

Dismissing the idea of Islam having played any role in the Paris attack and the bombing of Brussels airport and a subway station claiming that “religion for them is a pretext” and that they “believe in nothing,” the politician the boldly claims that the problem is a lack of exposure to diversity and modern art:

“We have neighborhoods where people only see the same people, go to school with the same people. What connection do they have with the whole society, what connection do they have with real diversity? It’s the establishment of the ghetto,” he says, “and it’s the thing in our urban development that we have to tackle.”

“These young people will never go to museums until 18 or 20 — they never saw Chagall, they never saw Dalí, they never saw Warhol, they don’t know what it is to dream.”

I have great optimism for the future knowing 90% of Islamic youth supported the bombings! All we need to do is show them Andy Warhol and they will learn to dream.

The more overt this shit the sooner the Reconquista 2.0 can start.

I'm sceptical but it seems like police want to take back control after cologne. Not only did happen a few raids in Cologne in the Arab district a few weeks ago, also Berlin seems to do something. Just a few weeks back they storm a left wing house that was occupied where some did attack a police officer.
Now they did a raid against an Arab clan.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...chnet.html

Quote:The silence is broken. Thanks to testimonies the Berlin police could act against Arab clans. Normal you cant expect this: Who testifying against clan members, risking his life.

The alleged perpetrators were probably asleep in their beds and had no idea what was at dawn rolling towards them. It was 4:30 am when a whole caravan of civilian vehicles and personnel carriers by the Neukölln district of Berlin pushed and moving toward the Schinkestraße.

Dozens of heavily armed and masked elite policemen Spezialeinsatzkommando (SEK) had, accompanied by riot police and dogs, made their way to perpetrate a major blow to criminal Arab extended families.

Quote:Thanks to the testimony of witnesses, the investigators had now present eight arrest warrants. Several concrete persons are therefore suspected of being involved in a failed contract killing, a raid on the KaDeWe or in possession of illegal weapons. After months of investigation, the police beat now so. Berlin is serious about fighting the Clans.

Quote:The raid is the latest episode in a desperate struggle from the capital police for decades leads to the feared Arab clans. According to the authorities 15 to 20 of these extended families living in Berlin, seven to nine of the consortia should be involved in organized crime (OC).

In the 70s, the first members were drawn, most of which originate from Lebanon. They bought cheap houses, brought more and more family members to and brought them under there. Should there have been efforts at integration, this proposed manifestly fail: A disproportionate number of members of the clan were criminal in subsequent years; they brought large parts of Berlin drug market and prostitute milieu under their control.

"The capital is lost," is the gloomy conclusion of bodyguard Michael Kuhr. The structures were manifested in all areas of organized crime. The action was directed against this target the infamous extended family al-Zain. Background are for information of the "world" for some time with an ongoing investigation by police and prosecutors.

I still share the opinion, when Germans want, they could get rid of all those "enrichment" quite easy. Furthermore I believe Germany need an adoption of its laws because when the basic law was created, it was made up with the impressions of the war. Now 70 years later, we face a different enemy.

(04-12-2016 10:38 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  You must have missed the part where I said they actually get plenty of benefits coming here. Remember that before posting another uninformed comment. They simply DON'T KNOW about the things they would get if they did. And I don't mind that at all.

Let me rephrase what I said so it sounds intellectual for your emotions.

Portugal, like Spain, Italy and Greece are basket case economies who joined the EU in eager anticipation of free shit. They have no economy outside of fruit, veg, nice weather for time shares and boring old British people.

Their history is rich but that is all it is, history. These countries could be removed from the face of the Earth tomorrow and nobody will give a shit, except for the old British time share crowd and British supermarkets who love cheap fruit and veg.

They are dependents and as dependents they rely on the EU to give free shit so they toe the line. They have this socialism in their blood so ofcourse they will give it away. The only reason the migrants are not swamping Portugal is because Germany has better PR than them.

I'm pretty sure Germany is safer for them too citing religious and race reason. Watch a German football match and see how many chants of racism are carried out, now watch Spanish, Italian, Greek and Portugese matches.

If you want to learn European racism 101 watch those countries.

They have nice weather and free stuff, thats it. Immigrants are being led by the piper (Germany) for political reasons. What matters most to the EU as a power base? Germany suffering economic meltdown or Portugal?

Ergo; nobody gives a rats ass about basket case countries on the Med.

(04-12-2016 10:28 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  The funny thing about those brown dudes trying to sell drugs is that they're almost always the same guys, I've been approached many times too, you just say no and they go away, it's a really small blemish to be honest.

The only relevant problem regarding "immigrants" (since many arent even immigrants and were born here) are the gypsies. What a plague. Leech of the system enormously and without shame, do not integrate at all, source of criminal activity, etc etc. I guarantee if I traded one gypsy for a syrian family at a large scale I would save the country money. I'd do that instantly and I can assure you we'd be better off. As for the rest, chinese, slavs, african portuguese, even indians, whatever. Who cares, Portugal is a nation of emigrants too. If people want to come here, work hard and build themselves a new life that's fine by me, whether they're other europeans, americans, or asians (preferably from non muslim zones, like filipinos etc), they can come and they'll probably feel at home. One thing that distinguishes us is that we're a bit better at integration than most other european countries, this could also be noticed in the colonial process.

So that's why I have a different lense when I look at migrants on the European perspective and on the portuguese perspective. In a way if they are liable to assimilation I find it viable. And we are all mongrels here anyway, one way or another, I have at least 2 other different backgrounds besides portuguese. Most of us do anyway. Centuries ago 1/5 of people here were either arab or jewish, where are they today? They are among us. Same happened to the blacks that came (well, that we brought) here in colonial era even 200-300 years ago and the same will happen to those who came here in the last few decades. They'll be swallowed . And that's good. In short, we assimilate by breeding.

Speak for yourself. I am no mongrel or anyone of my family.

I quote all of your post because you are missing the full point in all this discussion. What you are doing here is an apologia of assimilation in "the Portuguese way", and we do not need any of that crap here or anywhere else.

Portuguese normally are hard working and respectable people who integrated fairly well wherever they go because of that. Many muslims are like that too. Go to Moscow or some southern Russian cities and you will see who does the hard labour.

The point here is not muslims in itself, it is true that not all muslims are bad, Islam is a gun because of its nature and dogmas, and someone is pulling the trigger, someone who is interested in pushing a globalist agenda and mixing things up to keep the masses eternally in social confrontation, preventing themselves to getting above where the power is.

Denmark is due to put military on patrol at a regular basis outside places such as synagoues (which have been costing millions in tax payer money) instead of police. I don't believe for a second it is because of some 'take the country back' basis but pure economics, since police officers cost way too much in overtime, not so with soldiers.

However it is an interesting development, they will be used at the borders too. Police in Europe is generally cucked and union-cucked and their leaders are typical pc bureacrat types.

Military in the streets. That's a beginning for something. Military are trained to shoot and kill, not have 'conversation with youths'. Though the military wants to have special training, I still think it has to be the least cucked institution still.

Police union reps have been saying they don't want military in the streets, saying 'we are not at war', but that is where they are wrong, this is the very low key beginning perhaps of mounting the first strategic defense.

(04-12-2016 04:54 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(04-12-2016 10:38 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  You must have missed the part where I said they actually get plenty of benefits coming here. Remember that before posting another uninformed comment. They simply DON'T KNOW about the things they would get if they did. And I don't mind that at all.

Let me rephrase what I said so it sounds intellectual for your emotions.

Portugal, like Spain, Italy and Greece are basket case economies who joined the EU in eager anticipation of free shit. They have no economy outside of fruit, veg, nice weather for time shares and boring old British people.

Their history is rich but that is all it is, history. These countries could be removed from the face of the Earth tomorrow and nobody will give a shit, except for the old British time share crowd and British supermarkets who love cheap fruit and veg.

They are dependents and as dependents they rely on the EU to give free shit so they toe the line. They have this socialism in their blood so ofcourse they will give it away. The only reason the migrants are not swamping Portugal is because Germany has better PR than them.

I'm pretty sure Germany is safer for them too citing religious and race reason. Watch a German football match and see how many chants of racism are carried out, now watch Spanish, Italian, Greek and Portugese matches.

If you want to learn European racism 101 watch those countries.

They have nice weather and free stuff, thats it. Immigrants are being led by the piper (Germany) for political reasons. What matters most to the EU as a power base? Germany suffering economic meltdown or Portugal?

Ergo; nobody gives a rats ass about basket case countries on the Med.

Can you give us the pleasure to know from where you come from?

In one single post you managed to offend the heritage of the nations that layed the foundations of the Illuminated western culture. The Greeks who founded it, the Romans who inherited and expanded, the Spanish and Portuguese who spread it all over the world, not to mention the countless philosopher, great rulers, warriors, writers, poets, painters, architects, schools of thinking, and so on that all these countries and civilizations combined offered to this world where you live right now, writing on the internet in the comfort of your home, not beeing affraid that a bear will enter your cavern to eat you and the food you collected in the last hunt.

If Italy is basket case economy, an Industrial and electronic superpower, with Ferrari, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Maserati, Prada, Giorgio Armani, Bulgari, Martini, Chicco, Lamborghini, Pirelli, Indesit, Lancia, DeLonghi, Ariston, Ducatti, Iveco, Beretta...just to mention a few, I wonder what Industrial brands does your country produce.

Spain is another Industrial and economic superpower, living a bad moment due to the global bubble, suddenly I can remeber brands like Seat and all from Inditex group, the biggest fishing fleet in the EU...You probably never been to Spain too.

Portugal and Greece are smaller, yet the EU managed to put them even in worst competitive conditions and in more debt than previously.

I thought i'd just put this out here since terror links that originate in asia and extend to Europe are not mentioned much in the mainstream media. The dots usually aren't connected for various reasons.

Last September the Erawan shrine in Bangkok was bombed and the suspects were uighur militants (with Turkish passports) who were doing reprisal attacks in Thailand. It's been known for some time now that Uighur militants "fleeing" China were using Thailand as an underground railroad of sorts to send recruits who were then hooked up with fake passports/id (usually Turkish no surprise there) and rerouted to other places around the world or sent to enact terrorist plots within Asia.

Instead of granting automatic asylum for these sketchy "refugees" Thailand started sending them back to China where Chinese special ops deals with muslim terrorists in their own special way. It should be noted that Turkey offered to take in these Uighurs and it should also be mentioned that Uighur militants often pop up in the ranks of ISIS within Syria as foreign jihadists. The Thai government policy of sending uighurs back to China pissed off various extremist muslim groups (and Turkey) a lot. This activity once again confirms something we've all discussed. Turkey acts as a routing and training hub for terrorists.

Apparently from recent news these groups also work with Chechen terrorists and ISIS so the rabbit hole goes pretty deep. Muslim extremist groups have been trying to establish a global asia pipeline for years to funnel militants into Europe and other parts of Asia. It's already happened to some extent in Indonesia but multiple national agencies cracked down on the Bali bomber network hard because it was Al Quaeda related and the mass casualities were mostly Australian.

However, in places like Thailand where terror networks are also home grown the various global muslim groups have been trying to establish an informal foothold in the region. They've been probing an alliance with Thailand's southern muslim region for awhile now. There's always been a big question as to how Thailand's muslim extremists from the south are constantly obtaining arms, insurgent training,and IED knowledge.

Here's where things get interesting: There was recently a terror alert of a planned attack in Phuket against Russian AND Chinese tourists in Thailand. This was even verified by Russian security services who sent a separate warning to the Thai embassy about Syrian ISIS infiltrating into Thailand.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php...1460112616

Thai government immediately downplayed it and threatened the press for leaking. Which is usually done when they don't want to spook tourists or business investment which also means there's usually some credibility behind it.

When I say mongrel I mean that there are historically diverse origins here, you had jews, the moors, many africans, you had different sort of Europeans. My whole family is portuguese but besides that we are (historically) all mixed. That seems to me very easy to comprehend.

(04-12-2016 05:13 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(04-12-2016 10:28 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  The funny thing about those brown dudes trying to sell drugs is that they're almost always the same guys, I've been approached many times too, you just say no and they go away, it's a really small blemish to be honest.

The only relevant problem regarding "immigrants" (since many arent even immigrants and were born here) are the gypsies. What a plague. Leech of the system enormously and without shame, do not integrate at all, source of criminal activity, etc etc. I guarantee if I traded one gypsy for a syrian family at a large scale I would save the country money. I'd do that instantly and I can assure you we'd be better off. As for the rest, chinese, slavs, african portuguese, even indians, whatever. Who cares, Portugal is a nation of emigrants too. If people want to come here, work hard and build themselves a new life that's fine by me, whether they're other europeans, americans, or asians (preferably from non muslim zones, like filipinos etc), they can come and they'll probably feel at home. One thing that distinguishes us is that we're a bit better at integration than most other european countries, this could also be noticed in the colonial process.

So that's why I have a different lense when I look at migrants on the European perspective and on the portuguese perspective. In a way if they are liable to assimilation I find it viable. And we are all mongrels here anyway, one way or another, I have at least 2 other different backgrounds besides portuguese. Most of us do anyway. Centuries ago 1/5 of people here were either arab or jewish, where are they today? They are among us. Same happened to the blacks that came (well, that we brought) here in colonial era even 200-300 years ago and the same will happen to those who came here in the last few decades. They'll be swallowed . And that's good. In short, we assimilate by breeding.

Speak for yourself. I am no mongrel or anyone of my family.

I quote all of your post because you are missing the full point in all this discussion. What you are doing here is an apologia of assimilation in "the Portuguese way", and we do not need any of that crap here or anywhere else.

Portuguese normally are hard working and respectable people who integrated fairly well wherever they go because of that. Many muslims are like that too. Go to Moscow or some southern Russian cities and you will see who does the hard labour.

The point here is not muslims in itself, it is true that not all muslims are bad, Islam is a gun because of its nature and dogmas, and someone is pulling the trigger, someone who is interested in pushing a globalist agenda and mixing things up to keep the masses eternally in social confrontation, preventing themselves to getting above where the power is.

Turkey and Erdogan have empire aspirations, what some call the pan-Turkism or pan-Turanism, which would encompass Turkey, Bulgaria, much of Iran, all the -stan countries all the way to Mongolia and China.

You see, after the Cold War everyone are aligning along racial lines and looking to advance racial and ethnic empires - except white Europeans of course.

The intelectual poverty in this one is so rampant that I will quote his post just so he'll have the shame of seeing it several times. You created a few strawmans here and there and took them down yourself, picked up some generalizations and formed them as general truth, therefore nobody gives a rats ass about the Mediterranean, genius. I could go on but no need to beat on a dead horse. Rocha has already adressed them very competently anyway.

(04-12-2016 04:54 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(04-12-2016 10:38 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  You must have missed the part where I said they actually get plenty of benefits coming here. Remember that before posting another uninformed comment. They simply DON'T KNOW about the things they would get if they did. And I don't mind that at all.

Let me rephrase what I said so it sounds intellectual for your emotions.

Portugal, like Spain, Italy and Greece are basket case economies who joined the EU in eager anticipation of free shit. They have no economy outside of fruit, veg, nice weather for time shares and boring old British people.

Their history is rich but that is all it is, history. These countries could be removed from the face of the Earth tomorrow and nobody will give a shit, except for the old British time share crowd and British supermarkets who love cheap fruit and veg.

They are dependents and as dependents they rely on the EU to give free shit so they toe the line. They have this socialism in their blood so ofcourse they will give it away. The only reason the migrants are not swamping Portugal is because Germany has better PR than them.

I'm pretty sure Germany is safer for them too citing religious and race reason. Watch a German football match and see how many chants of racism are carried out, now watch Spanish, Italian, Greek and Portugese matches.

If you want to learn European racism 101 watch those countries.

They have nice weather and free stuff, thats it. Immigrants are being led by the piper (Germany) for political reasons. What matters most to the EU as a power base? Germany suffering economic meltdown or Portugal?

Ergo; nobody gives a rats ass about basket case countries on the Med.

(04-12-2016 06:07 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Turkey and Erdogan have empire aspirations, what some call the pan-Turkism or pan-Turanism, which would encompass Turkey, Bulgaria, much of Iran, all the -stan countries all the way to Mongolia and China.

You see, after the Cold War everyone are aligning along racial lines and looking to advance racial and ethnic empires - except white Europeans of course.

They did ethnic cleaning with the Germans after the war. That the others could take away German soil. It was well known with the allied forces, when there are Germans left on that soil, Germany will demand that soil harder back.
Thats also why Turkey don't belong in the EU - beside the negativity of the EU - because with their pan-Turkism they would create a lot of issues.
The Urigur in China are also muslims and commit acts of Terror. I have a Chinese friend, she is a teacher and now works in those regions. We have some talks about Muslims and she did share the impressions of Islam, how the men behave. So its not only Arabs, its Islam that shape those strange customs and problems.

In Europe you have issues because white Europeans are Germanic, Slavic, Romanic. The whole EU construction is made up for holding Germany down and bring the wrong aspects of those countries together. A free European block is something that the US and other powers don't want.

(04-12-2016 06:07 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Turkey and Erdogan have empire aspirations, what some call the pan-Turkism or pan-Turanism, which would encompass Turkey, Bulgaria, much of Iran, all the -stan countries all the way to Mongolia and China.

The fake history peddling by Turks is that they view central asians as part of their extended people based on linguistic and ancestral heritage. They view themselves as part of the ancestry which includes the ancient steppe tribes. This is the same ethnonationalist fan fiction that mindless savages like Tamerlane was peddling back in the day too.

The reality is that many of the ancient steppe tribes (of Mongolian heritage) had nothing to do with central asia really aside from being along the conquest route with lots of resulting Mongol genetic offspring after the fact.

This cultural idea of central-asian/Turkic supremacy originates from guys like Tamerlane though.

It's kind of obvious that some Turks in power such as shitbags like Erdogan willingly go along with pan-islamic extremism as long as it fulfills their dreams of central asian dominance. This is combining islamism with their own racial dreams of regional dominance.

(04-12-2016 05:38 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(04-12-2016 04:54 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(04-12-2016 10:38 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  You must have missed the part where I said they actually get plenty of benefits coming here. Remember that before posting another uninformed comment. They simply DON'T KNOW about the things they would get if they did. And I don't mind that at all.

Let me rephrase what I said so it sounds intellectual for your emotions.

Portugal, like Spain, Italy and Greece are basket case economies who joined the EU in eager anticipation of free shit. They have no economy outside of fruit, veg, nice weather for time shares and boring old British people.

Their history is rich but that is all it is, history. These countries could be removed from the face of the Earth tomorrow and nobody will give a shit, except for the old British time share crowd and British supermarkets who love cheap fruit and veg.

They are dependents and as dependents they rely on the EU to give free shit so they toe the line. They have this socialism in their blood so ofcourse they will give it away. The only reason the migrants are not swamping Portugal is because Germany has better PR than them.

I'm pretty sure Germany is safer for them too citing religious and race reason. Watch a German football match and see how many chants of racism are carried out, now watch Spanish, Italian, Greek and Portugese matches.

If you want to learn European racism 101 watch those countries.

They have nice weather and free stuff, thats it. Immigrants are being led by the piper (Germany) for political reasons. What matters most to the EU as a power base? Germany suffering economic meltdown or Portugal?

Ergo; nobody gives a rats ass about basket case countries on the Med.

Can you give us the pleasure to know from where you come from?

In one single post you managed to offend the heritage of the nations that layed the foundations of the Illuminated western culture. The Greeks who founded it, the Romans who inherited and expanded, the Spanish and Portuguese who spread it all over the world, not to mention the countless philosopher, great rulers, warriors, writers, poets, painters, architects, schools of thinking, and so on that all these countries and civilizations combined offered to this world where you live right now, writing on the internet in the comfort of your home, not beeing affraid that a bear will enter your cavern to eat you and the food you collected in the last hunt.

If Italy is basket case economy, an Industrial and electronic superpower, with Ferrari, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Maserati, Prada, Giorgio Armani, Bulgari, Martini, Chicco, Lamborghini, Pirelli, Indesit, Lancia, DeLonghi, Ariston, Ducatti, Iveco, Beretta...just to mention a few, I wonder what Industrial brands does your country produce.

Spain is another Industrial and economic superpower, living a bad moment due to the global bubble, suddenly I can remeber brands like Seat and all from Inditex group, the biggest fishing fleet in the EU...You probably never been to Spain too.

Portugal and Greece are smaller, yet the EU managed to put them even in worst competitive conditions and in more debt than previously.

Italy's basket case economy is not so bad: Italy is the 7th most powerful economy in the world (ranking by GDP), just behind France, which in turn has just been overtaken by... the UK .

More interesting maybe, to determine which economy is "a basket case":

Spain, Portugal and all the other med countries foolsgold referenced could go away tomorrow and it wouldn't matter. They have Amazing pasts, worthless presents, and probably bad futures. Although I do like ferraris

(04-12-2016 06:34 PM)phluff127 Wrote:  Spain, Portugal and all the other med countries foolsgold referenced could go away tomorrow and it wouldn't matter. They have Amazing pasts, worthless presents, and probably bad futures. Although I do like ferraris

Just like you then: worthless post, probably bad future (think banhammer here?...).

I wonder what the E.U. would look like if there was a strict performance clause attached to being a member nation even after joining. Let's say your nation's economy is shit and the government is run like a banana republic like Greece you have a certain number of years to get your shit together or you get booted from the E.U.

Then maybe once every couple years after that your nation can appeal to rejoin when it stops being a burden.

What's clear is that the E.U.'s economic model of being the rising tide that lifts all boats is not working over the long haul though.