Post: #1

What should a guy with a decent body but ugly face expect when it comes to frequency of lays? The time I invest in gaming women makes it almost not worth it. It seems like the only way I can get laid with a decent looking girl (6) is to lie about wanting a relationship and try to juggle multiple relationships at once. Problem is I don't have much time for a relationship with work and hobbies so I don't want to have to commit the time to a relationship when all I really want is a few fuck buddies to get laid with.

I can't even get girls to meet up with me if we are anywhere that sex could go down. So one night stands are pretty much out of the question unless I lower my standards to 3-4's and below. I don't have a social circle but I'm in my mid 20's now so I think social circle game isn't as important as in late teens early 20's.

If I come across as cocky or an asshole persona women who are not receptive call me ugly. Some of these women are even 4's and 5's. Enough of them say it that I'm pretty sure I'm below average looks wise.

I'm really just not sure at this point how to get the most value in bangs for my time.

I would appreciate advice from guys who are clearly below average looking facially because I don't think good looking guys really understand how much more difficult things get when you have that working against you from the start.

Post: #2

Maybe I'm wrong, but it comes across as if you're self-conscious about how you look. If you're way below average in looks, my advice would be to simply have fun with it. When they ask what you do, say you're a hat model or some shit like that. Make it clear that you're not fazed by your weakness. If it's not a big deal to you, it's not a big deal to them. After all, genetics are just luck. If you played the lottery today without winning, would you take it personally?

I'm not God's gift to modelling agencies, but I doubt my face detracts from my value, so I can't really give you advice on where to focus your time. With that said, I would assume online dating isn't going to be your forte since it's basically a line-up. On the other hand, night game in a dimly lit bar when girls have their beer-goggles on shouldn't be a problem for you.

Edit to add: Many girls, especially the 3s and 4s, have no idea how ugly they are. Just because they call you ugly, it doesn't mean that's actually the case.

Post: #3

(04-11-2016 02:54 AM)Running Turtles Wrote:  Maybe I'm wrong, but it comes across as if you're self-conscious about how you look. If you're way below average in looks, my advice would be to simply have fun with it. When they ask what you do, say you're a hat model or some shit like that. Make it clear that you're not fazed by your weakness. If it's not a big deal to you, it's not a big deal to them. After all, genetics are just luck. If you played the lottery today without winning, would you take it personally?

I'm not God's gift to modelling agencies, but I doubt my face detracts from my value, so I can't really give you advice on where to focus your time. With that said, I would assume online dating isn't going to be your forte since it's basically a line-up. On the other hand, night game in a dimly lit bar when girls have their beer-goggles on shouldn't be a problem for you.

Edit to add: Many girls, especially the 3s and 4s, have no idea how ugly they are. Just because they call you ugly, it doesn't mean that's actually the case.

I'm definitely below average looking I've never had a girl/woman pursue me at any point in my life. I'm not self conscious enough about it to let it affect my interactions with women though. I've gotten laid a number of times but I'd like to get something more regular. Honestly, I would be way more confident if I was at least average looking because I would probably be pulling some pretty cute girls given that my body is probably an 8/10 for most girls.

I think the fact that I haven't gotten anywhere with girls I'm genuinely attracted to is affecting my confidence somewhat.

I'd just like to get some regular action that's not too time consuming with girls that are at least average looking. I'm really just trying to figure out how to make the best use of my time for someone in this situation.

I would try the bar thing but I'm really not much of a drinker and naturally I'm kind of chilled out so I'm not sure how I'd come across there - more into a health living and lifestyle thing. The girls I seem to vibe best with are the adventurous ones or athletic ones.

There are a lot of athletes and rich/successful guys in my city as well and I get the impression that most of the women who are above average in looks here are content to chase those guys while being in a good looking guys harem with the intention of ultimately marrying a beta after they hit 30. So I'm accepting the fact that a 6 is probably the best I'm going to get in the short term unless something changes like money or status for me.

Post: #4

how have you pulled the girls you HAVE managed to get, RB?
I'm not very good looking either which makes pulling girls extremely difficult!
Maybe I can learn from you!!
Where do you meet them? what do you open with ? etc

Post: #5

Disregarding the aspect of lacking confidence and how that may affect your game. Have you considered online game with just showing your body? You will probably not get the top shelf aka 9-10, but you can most definitely land 6-7. I myself have even created a "fake" tinder account with just one classy shady picture, not even showing my body that much, with a much more direct line in my bio and I match with some decent looking girls even on this one. It can´t be compared to by my regular tinder, but I would give it a go if I were you. Hell, even craigslist can be useful if you have a decent body and a good post (depending on where you live though as it is not so common worldwide). I think I saw a decent thread about gaming on craigslist here, search the forum.

Is there any way you can alter your appearance? Grow/remove facial hair, get a new trendy haircut, use facial creme to remove bad skin. In general, take good care of your looks, dress well and make an effort. It should get you further.

Post: #6

   
Game master Patrice O'neal

Ugly guy game does not exist. If you're not as good looking as the next man, you simply need to have extremely tight game. You probably won't get laid as much as a Ryan Reynold type looking guy... but hey life ain't fair! But by having tight game... you'll have the ability to have great relationships with the chicks you'll slay! Game on my friend!

Post: #7

How you make a chick feel >>>>>> than looks.

Anyone who says different is a game denialist.

There are things that you can do to improve your passive game, whether or not a chick digs you based on her initial impression of your external look, BUT your time will always be better spent working on your socialization skills. Aka game.

WIA

Post: #8

(04-11-2016 05:30 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  how have you pulled the girls you HAVE managed to get, RB?
I'm not very good looking either which makes pulling girls extremely difficult!
Maybe I can learn from you!!
Where do you meet them? what do you open with ? etc

Not that many, 6. It could've been closer to 20 if I wasn't so beta through most of my college years. I used to have a lot more success using online back in 2008-2009 when most good looking guys rarely had an online presence outside of facebook and myspace before that. I just had a number of body pics up on the lesser sites and it was way easier to get numbers quickly and girls were way less scared about meeting up with a new guy off the internet. Like 95% were blue pill nice guys who didn't workout so it was so easy to stand out on sites like myyearbook and pof.

I usually just use situational openers that make them laugh. Then work to funnel the conversation into a few topics I can dhv on.

Nowadays regardless of what angle I take most of these girls online show genuine disinterest which is really weird. It's like an abundance mentality to an extreme - there are so many guys they perceive as alpha hitting them up that they can't settle for less than an above average looking alpha.

With average pics on tinder now I had like 5 matches in 5 days after making a new account. Maybe a professional pic or two would make a difference? I don't have any pics with women up either. Other apps like meetme are worse I get the feeling there are a handful of guys fucking the 30 acceptable looking girls in my city.

I think I'm going to settle for just chatting up girls as I go about my day and gauging interest from there. Like grocery stores, gym, maybe a college campus? I haven't done any day game since I was a college student.

Post: #9

Location, location, location. Stay away from the Northeast outside of NYC. I can tell just by the number of handsome men with dumpy abrasive girlfriends here that the vast majority of men aren't getting laid, "good looking" or not...

Post: #10

(04-11-2016 02:36 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  Location, location, location. Stay away from the Northeast outside of NYC. I can tell just by the number of handsome men with dumpy abrasive girlfriends here that the vast majority of men aren't getting laid, "good looking" or not...

I am western U.S. which I'd argue along with NYC has the most competition for good looking women. It's much easier to stand out with a good body/style in the Midwest in my experience.

Post: #11

So much for personality. I believe in 80/20 rule... meaning 20% of the guys get 80% of chicks.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/04/mixed-at...book_nymag

Post: #12

I think I know where OP is coming from. I don't have the most symmetrical face and it often seems like girls are more attracted to other guys more quickly than me.

For a long time I thought this was about my looks. It's really not.

Feedback from women isn't trustworthy. How many guys out there are hearing "he's just a friend, I wouldn't cheat on a sensitive, attentive guy like you." Or "I'm not having sex with you tonight."

Women lie to you and to themselves so you really can't rely on their feedback about your looks and I can't give less of a shit what other men say about me.

If you think you're ugly, maybe you are but maybe you're just in need of confidence.

Looks might help but all guys are different. I know a bunch of guys who are considered better looking and in better shape who tell me they wish they had my height.

You're the one saying these things are in your way and that's the only reason they are.


That said, I think ugly guy game could be a thing. It might just be a mindset though. Essentially, if people are labeling you with a weakness just owning it might improve your response.

Post: #13

(04-11-2016 03:23 PM)h3ltrsk3ltr Wrote:  I think I know where OP is coming from. I don't have the most symmetrical face and it often seems like girls are more attracted to other guys more quickly than me.

For a long time I thought this was about my looks. It's really not.

Feedback from women isn't trustworthy. How many guys out there are hearing "he's just a friend, I wouldn't cheat on a sensitive, attentive guy like you." Or "I'm not having sex with you tonight."

Women lie to you and to themselves so you really can't rely on their feedback about your looks and I can't give less of a shit what other men say about me.

If you think you're ugly, maybe you are but maybe you're just in need of confidence.

Looks might help but all guys are different. I know a bunch of guys who are considered better looking and in better shape who tell me they wish they had my height.

You're the one saying these things are in your way and that's the only reason they are.

I'm not saying I can't get laid because of it, just that I need to adjust my standards to compensate and pick targets better to make the best use of my time. That's all I'm trying to do - get average-cute girls that can be fuck buddies without devoting all my free time that I'd prefer to use pursuing my hobbies. I can't make this my full time job like college guys can do so that efficiency is important.

There may be some truth to what you're saying, but I'm not letting it stop me from taking the initiative in the first place. You have to admit though that attracting quality women has become increasingly dependent on facial looks/social status over the past 5-10 years with women having more options than ever at their fingertips.

Post: #14

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I agree with you. In the West generally when you seeing 8 walking down the street with a guy, 90% of the time she not dating down unless he is rich or it's
through social circle.
Even low 5-6's who just want a fuck buddy have options, they rather have somebody good looking and younger or at least in great shape.

Post: #15

Gotcha. I know you're trying but you're asking the wrong question. I'm not going to validate your lack of success by saying that ugly guys can't get as much pussy as attractive ones.

The efficiency thing is very interesting. I'd like to digress a little in saying that if you want more access to women than you think your job allows, consider either wanting less women or getting another job.

I don't agree that looks are as important as many of the guys in this thread have suggested. I think "social status" is a learnable skill.

So no, I don't admit or agree that looks and social status are more important now than before. I also don't think that line of thinking makes any sense or is in the least bit helpful.

You can build a social circle, it's doable regardless of the job you have. I don't think anyone here is going to say you can only approach girls with a certain look or in a certain demographic.

If that's what you're looking for then hit up the pua crowd (again?) and we'll see you back here when it fails to fulfill your needs.


I guess my point here is that if you're saying you aren't going to try to fuck dimes/find a high-value woman because it's too hard, then fuck you.

If you're trying to say you see your looks getting in your way and want to find a way to still bang dimes/find a high-value woman, welcome to the forum.