Post: #26

Shapiro accurately outlines why Romney fails, and then suggests a more confrontational style like what Trump is doing. But then Shapiro is actively writing articles against Trump. Little Ben is useless. Pointy-headed intellectuals won't take us to the promised land. We need more street fighters.

Post: #27

I saw this in real time, which was interesting.

Ben Shapiro did some political bait-and-switch with David Duke over Twitter, then wrote an article about it in a vain attempt to smear Trump.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/3898/forme...n8.twitter

Dude is clearly cucking for Cruz, and using some pretty decent tactics at it. Bait and switch is savvy.

Shapiro has been whining and pissing and moaning for weeks and weeks that Trump isn't a real anti-establishment candidate (because ... money?) in another lame ass attempt to discredit Trump's appeal. He's shilling for Ted Cruz, a guy who has no appeal except with the Jesus Crowd.

Post: #28

I remember him saying he was filing a police report over that Tranny touching his shoulder. He was mad because he got AMOGed by a man in a dress during that show.

Post: #29

(03-04-2016 08:10 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  ^ I'll reserve my opinion until after the nomination. If he does persist in attacking Trump after that then yes, he's a cuck, but I don't think he will. His primary beef is that Cruz is more consistently and believably conservative, I think he's just naive to believe that's all it takes.

We should stop short of a cult of personality with Trump. The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of risks with him: he basically has no real respect for privacy nor any qualms in pushing government intrusion further, he might go overboard with protectionism, he might flipflop back to some of his originally (or still) held leftist beliefs (he still believes in socialized medicine for instance). We accept all these risks because the bigger risk is that he doesn't get to execute his other plans: the wall, the deportations, pushing back against the Muslims, injecting life back into American business with tax cuts etc, withdrawing from military gallivanting around the world, smashing political correctness and perhaps even the cultural left generally.

So yeah, criticism is fine, but if he actually puts any concerted anti-Trump effort in after the nomination then he can fuck off.

I agree that a cult of personality serves nobody.

But I'd rather have Trump than Clinton.

Apparently Shapiro would not:

Quote:I will never vote for @realDonaldTrump

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/70...9582726144

Post: #30

(03-05-2016 07:58 AM)262 Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 08:10 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  ^ I'll reserve my opinion until after the nomination. If he does persist in attacking Trump after that then yes, he's a cuck, but I don't think he will. His primary beef is that Cruz is more consistently and believably conservative, I think he's just naive to believe that's all it takes.

We should stop short of a cult of personality with Trump. The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of risks with him: he basically has no real respect for privacy nor any qualms in pushing government intrusion further, he might go overboard with protectionism, he might flipflop back to some of his originally (or still) held leftist beliefs (he still believes in socialized medicine for instance). We accept all these risks because the bigger risk is that he doesn't get to execute his other plans: the wall, the deportations, pushing back against the Muslims, injecting life back into American business with tax cuts etc, withdrawing from military gallivanting around the world, smashing political correctness and perhaps even the cultural left generally.

So yeah, criticism is fine, but if he actually puts any concerted anti-Trump effort in after the nomination then he can fuck off.

I agree that a cult of personality serves nobody.

But I'd rather have Trump than Clinton.

Apparently Shapiro would not:

Quote:I will never vote for @realDonaldTrump

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/70...9582726144

He says he prefers Hillary over Trump in the White House. Unbelievable.

Post: #31

Shapiro is great on most topics but has a few blind spots, mostly driven by his commitment to Judaism and religious freedom. For example, he reflexively opposed Trump's call for a ban on Muslim immigration because that would contravene religious freedom.

His personality type is authoritarian. Rules and principles must be followed, never broken. Consistency is king. And I wonder if that kind of thinking comes naturally to a follower of a religion like Orthodox Judaism with its focus on absolutes and on compliance to rules and routines in daily living. Or maybe people with that personality type become the strongest adherents to their religion.

Shapiro claims to have been a world-class violinist at age 12, but I've heard his playing. It's okay but it doesn't compare to tons of Asian kids in that age range. He just can't see his delusions clearly.

Post: #32

(03-05-2016 03:11 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  Shapiro is great on most topics but has a few blind spots, mostly driven by his commitment to Judaism and religious freedom. For example, he reflexively opposed Trump's call for a ban on Muslim immigration because that would contravene religious freedom.

His personality type is authoritarian. Rules and principles must be followed, never broken. Consistency is king. And I wonder if that kind of thinking comes naturally to a follower of a religion like Orthodox Judaism with its focus on absolutes and on compliance to rules and routines in daily living. Or maybe people with that personality type become the strongest adherents to their religion.

Shapiro claims to have been a world-class violinist at age 12, but I've heard his playing. It's okay but it doesn't compare to tons of Asian kids in that age range. He just can't see his delusions clearly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK8mbA083hE

Post: #33

(10-25-2015 07:22 AM)Hades Wrote:  I saw Ben Shapiro's argument against Piers Morgan. It was pretty good, he's one of not many conservatives who actually goes on the offensive and doesn't lose his shit the second he's confronted or slighted.

So this is the infamous video:



I recently saw a few short videos of Celebrity Apprentice because being on the Trump Train that tends to appear in my youtube suggestions. Seeing Piers made me think, well he was really good with Trump on the show, what about right now? He's a leftist shill who would be completely against everything Trump stands for, right? So I went digging and there were surprisingly good articles:

My VERY revealing Donald diaries: PIERS MORGAN's most intimate conversations with Trump offer a unrivalled insight into the man who may soon be US President

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ident.html

Quote:AUGUST 23, 2008

Interviewed Trump for GQ at his palatial mansion in Beverly Hills. Like his other homes that I’ve seen, it’s a monument to gold-encrusted decadence.

Away from the cameras, he was much calmer company, until I asked what he thought of President George W. Bush. ‘He’s set back this country 50 years!’ he raged.

‘After September 11, America had the chance to be the most popular country in the world, and instead, in a matter of weeks, that man destroyed it.

‘He purposely lied, and his lies got us into a war. I think he will go down as the worst President in the history of the country. A disaster.

‘Obviously we can make things up again, and recapture the glory. But right now, there is no glory for this country.’

Quote:‘If you are good with the media,’ he replied, ‘and you get a lot of coverage, I’m not sure money is that important.’

(He practised what he preached. Trump’s spent just $12 million on his 2016 campaign so far, but had at least $1 billion of free publicity by dominating the airwaves.)

He was scathing about Republican favourite Mitt Romney’s attempt to be Mr Nice Guy.

‘He made a concerted effort not to say anything bad about any of the candidates who said bad things about him. And in a certain way, I respect that.

‘But I believe you have to fight back. I always believe in fighting back. If somebody goes after you, you go after them.’

Quote:JUNE 13, 2013

Hillary Clinton, widely reported to be planning another presidential run, is being savaged over her role as Secretary of State in the Benghazi disaster where four Americans, including the ambassador, were killed by a mob at a US mission in Libya. ‘I’ve always liked Hillary,’ Trump told me tonight.

‘She and Bill are members of my club and they’re wonderful people. But she’s getting hit very hard. I think if this Benghazi stuff doesn’t stick, which perhaps it will and perhaps it won’t, she’s going to be the easy nominee for the Democrats. As for the Republicans, who knows?’

Quote:He also discussed Tea Party favourite, Senator Ted Cruz (now Trump’s main rival for the 2016 Republican nomination).

‘I’d hire him, he’s a smart guy.’

Why I’m so embarrassed today for Britain. The same parliament that hasn’t banned a single UK citizen from returning after fighting for ISIS is seriously debating banning Trump from its shores

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...hores.html

Quote:The reason they’re doing it is, of course, is because Trump recently called for a temporary ban on all Muslims entering the U.S. in the wake of an horrific mass shooting by two Islamic terrorists.

Like many, I didn’t agree with what Trump said and indeed, I wrote him an open letter at the time saying it was ‘dangerously wrong and bigoted’.

But to ban a foreign politician for expressing an opinion is utterly absurd. Particularly a foreign politician who stands an increasingly good chance of becoming leader of the world’s biggest superpower and Britain’s supposedly closest, most powerful ally.

Can you imagine a situation where President Trump, if he is elected, is actually banned? It would make Britain the laughing stock of the world, and confirm to Americans that we’re just as pathetically petty and small pond in our thinking as you’ve always suspected.

What was surprising was how good friends Piers and Donald were- which makes me think way more highly of the former and slightly worse of the latter. That probably was because they got to know each other well on the Celeb Apprentice.

What also was surprising was Donald thinking Hillary/Bill were good people... which raises a few eyebrows.

Amazing how one of the best conservative guys calling Muslims out etc turned out to be a total cuck and one of the most leftist/anti-gun/SJW shill and behind the phone hacking scandals etc turned out to be one of the saner voices in the UK. The Trump campaign is revealing people's true colors.

Post: #34

Shapiro was white-knighting for Michelle Fields in the anti-Trump attention-whoring hoax she pulled - she claimed to have been assaulted and knocked down by Trump's campaign manager. Video has since proved this is false.

The hoax aligned with Shapiro because he's a chickenhawk neocon who opposes Trump. The neocons oppose Trump because he is an American nationalist and anti-interventionist who won't fight their wars (invade Syria, bomb Iran) on command.

Remember, Shapiro has been a military-age-male who has been cheerleading for more wars in the Middle East the last 15 years, but would not even get a reserve commission as a JAG or public affairs officer.

MikeCF (Cernovich) has called out this BS: http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/03/13/...rump-hoax/

Post: #35

The fundamental question to always keep in mind is: who is paying them? (Kind of like Sailer's Who? Whom?) The source of the salary dictates the beliefs.

Post: #36

People always cry anti-semitism but it's hard to deny there's a zionist agenda which neatly intersects with Republican neoconservatism. All you have to do usually is just look at the last name and what their political angle of the day is to know everything you need to know about where their loyalty lies. Hint: It's not America but Israel.

The fact is a lot of Jewish Americans in politics and on the sidelines as pundits or "journalists" are zionists first and foremost. They are ethnonationalists loyal to their tribal faction over the American people. When you call them out on it they start playing the race card and dredging up holocaust imagery. So convenient every time.

Post: #37

https://twitter.com/DemsRRealRacist/stat...3998192640

Post: #38

Whether Shapiro has white knighted for Fields and has engaged in plenty of anti-Trump screeds is irrelevant. That also includes his commentary on the Rubin Report about how we should destroy racists financially.

When it comes to how to engage with the left on the issues, he is spot on. His videos on how to debate them have been excellent and should be applied not only to them, but to any opponent who is disingenuous in a debate.

A wise man gives credit where its due and critiques where it's necessary. Take in the good and throw out the bad. This is what you should do with anyone in the political sphere or you will never be able to learn, grow, and become better. This all or nothing approach is a mistake as is the "Throw the baby out with the bathwater."

No, I'm not jewish.

Post: #39

(03-14-2016 03:25 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  Whether Shapiro has white knighted for Fields and has engaged in plenty of anti-Trump screeds is irrelevant. That also includes his commentary on the Rubin Report about how we should destroy racists financially.

When it comes to how to engage with the left on the issues, he is spot on. His videos on how to debate them have been excellent and should be applied not only to them, but to any opponent who is disingenuous in a debate.

A wise man gives credit where its due and critiques where it's necessary. Take in the good and throw out the bad. This is what you should do with anyone in the political sphere or you will never be able to learn, grow, and become better. This all or nothing approach is a mistake as is the "Throw the baby out with the bathwater."

No, I'm not jewish.

His present actions completely contradict and invalidate nearly everything he's said in the past.

With his white knighting for Fields and Trump denialism, he's engaging in SJW tactics. And remember: SJW's always lie.

Post: #40

(03-14-2016 03:25 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  Don't "Throw the baby out with the bathwater."

Fuck that.



Baby thrown out.

Post: #41

(03-14-2016 03:56 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  His present actions completely contradict and invalidate nearly everything he's said in the past.

With his white knighting for Fields and Trump denialism, he's engaging in SJW tactics. And remember: SJW's always lie.

Expand on that.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how do one's actions - take for example his great advocacy for second amendment rights - suddenly go out the window because of criticism on a different subject?

Yes, SJWs do always lie, but are we going to just toss that label around lightly? Are we akin to tossing out our own ist and isms so to speak and diluting their meaning? What is the limit on the litmus/purity test before one becomes an SJW?

Consider what actually makes an SJW - character flaws and very deep ones. The fact that they are mostly a feature of the left doesn't imply that other worldviews are just as susceptible.

- A willingness to lie and slander because its "for the greater good".
- Refusing to ever admit wrong, even if the critique isn't from someone trying to go after them on a personal level.
- Always seeing things in black and white with no mercy.
- Throwing people out of the group when they don't subscribe to every principle and being willing to ignore and dismiss anything beneficial they had done previously for the group.
- Willing to do whatever is necessary to take the moral high ground, no matter who is hurt in the process. (The ends always justify the means)
- Guilt/wrong by association; every damn time. Did you associate with said thought criminal for any reason? You are automatically as bad as him, even if you don't completely agree with him.
- Willing to be disingenuous if you can make "appropriate" targets look bad and/or hurt their reputation.

Now I'm willing to fight fire with fire, but I reserve that for individuals who do most of the above and have no regret doing it. Do you? Has Shapiro become all of that and earned an SJW label? I don't think he's close.

Post: #42

^ The lesson is don't be desperate for role models. There are plenty of better ones. He is not it.

Post: #43

Travesty brings up a good point on not being desperate for role models. Big picture here, Shapiro did us all a solid by expanding upon Andrew Breitbart's debate-attack style. He's still a fairly alright conservative by me, and I agree with about 80% of the stuff he writes, it's just that this situation revealed him as a big pussy and crybaby.

If he actually believes Michelle Fields, I would think that he's fucking her based on how much nonsense he's arguing in favor of.

If he DOESN'T believe Michelle Fields (likely, as he's not stupid), then he's making a smart play by capitalizing on being a very public white knight (believe it or not, this might get him a lucrative career at Salon or The Reader's Digest) while solving the problem of leaving Breitbart and publicly smearing them on the way out -- as their pro-Trump atmosphere probably triggers him on the daily. He can claim the 'principled conservative' moral high ground while being a giant douche. That's pretty smart.

I thought it was telling that he used Buzzfeed to tender their resignation. Nobody else considers Breitbart office politics to be newsworthy, I guess.

Post: #44

Guys, comment the video, not his white knighting skills.

Video is very informative and most of the tactics are very useful.

Post: #45

(03-15-2016 09:58 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  Guys, comment the video, not his white knighting skills.

Video is very informative and most of the tactics are very useful.

Like it or not, it's the Ben Shapiro thread now.

His video is useful. His actions go against everything in it.

Why do SJWs lie? They want to get their people in positions of power. They think that is more important that whatever the organization they are a part of is actually trying to accomplish.

Who is Ben's people? What do he, Michelle Fields, and the Buzzfeed reporters he leaked to all have in common?

Oy vey, who could say.

Post: #46

(03-15-2016 01:06 PM)Barbarian_Brad Wrote:  Like it or not, it's the Ben Shapiro thread now.

His video is useful. His actions go against everything in it.

Why do SJWs lie? They want to get their people in positions of power. They think that is more important that whatever the organization they are a part of is actually trying to accomplish.

Who is Ben's people? What do he, Michelle Fields, and the Buzzfeed reporters he leaked to all have in common?

Oy vey, who could say.

In light of recent events related to the video and the person, I would agree with Barbarian_Brad. The latest events clearly showed the character of the man, and that he is willing to use the same tactics as SJWs, while criticising them.

It all started with this "Of course there are legitimate racists and we should target them, We should find them and we should hurt their careers because racism is unacceptable." (http://voxday.blogspot.se/2016/02/i-find...ble.html). Which is an example of, "Willing to do whatever is necessary to take the moral high ground, no matter who is hurt in the process. (The ends always justify the means)".

Then he goes on to write this (http://voxday.blogspot.se/2016/03/an-ene...ght.html), while having written this (http://townhall.com/columnists/benshapir...age/full). And fair enough he it was in 2011, but in 2015 he writes this (http://www.breitbart.com/national-securi...tanyahu/). So Bibi can do it, but not Trump? I'll get to this later. Quite frankly, one could say that Trump is the American Netanyahu. America needs someone like him who will put America and Americans first. But that's for the Donald Trump Thread

Then this (http://voxday.blogspot.se/2016/03/the-li...o-war.html) happens, he white knights, and there was quite a lot of buzz over the media, leading to a Breitbart journalist being suspended (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/eri...assault/). An example of "Throwing people out of the group when they don't subscribe to every principle and being willing to ignore and dismiss anything beneficial they had done previously for the group." and "A willingness to lie and slander because its "for the greater good"." In the end it turns out that it was all a hoax (http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/03/13/...mp-hoax/), and resigns (http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/03/14/...eitbart/). All the while he refuses to admit he was wrong. An example of, "Refusing to ever admit wrong, even if the critique isn't from someone trying to go after them on a personal level." This last piece also starts to show why he has been talking shot about Trump and sides with Cruz. It happens that his latest project, the Daily Wire, is owned by the Wilks brothers, who also donated 15million to Ted Cruz. Hence, he writes in accordance to the Wilks bros desire. An example of "Willing to be disingenuous if you can make "appropriate" targets look bad and/or hurt their reputation." and possibly "A willingness to lie and slander because its "for the greater good"."

He is still good writer, but now we understand that he is part of the narrative and establishment. As such, he is a Cuck and almost full SJW.

Post: #47

Great post SvenTuga, but the links are all messed up. You might want to edit your post.

Post: #48

Yes they are! As 60min passed need to do another one to fix it. Sorry, about that.

In light of recent events related to the video and the person, I would agree with Barbarian_Brad. The latest events clearly showed the character of the man, and that he is willing to use the same tactics as SJWs, while criticising them.

It all started with this "Of course there are legitimate racists and we should target them, We should find them and we should hurt their careers because racism is unacceptable." (here). Which is an example of, "Willing to do whatever is necessary to take the moral high ground, no matter who is hurt in the process. (The ends always justify the means)".

Then he goes on to write this (here), while having written this (here). And fair enough he it was in 2011, but in 2015 he writes this (here). So Bibi can do it, but not Trump? I'll get to this later. Quite frankly, one could say that Trump is the American Netanyahu. America needs someone like him who will put America and Americans first. But that's for the Donald Trump Thread

Then this (here) happens, he white knights, and there was quite a lot of buzz over the media, leading to a Breitbart journalist being suspended (here). An example of "Throwing people out of the group when they don't subscribe to every principle and being willing to ignore and dismiss anything beneficial they had done previously for the group." and "A willingness to lie and slander because its "for the greater good"." In the end it turns out that it was all a hoax (here), and resigns (here). All the while he refuses to admit he was wrong. An example of, "Refusing to ever admit wrong, even if the critique isn't from someone trying to go after them on a personal level." This last piece also starts to show why he has been talking shot about Trump and sides with Cruz. It happens that his latest project, the Daily Wire, is owned by the Wilks brothers, who also donated 15million to Ted Cruz. Hence, he writes in accordance to the Wilks bros desire. An example of "Willing to be disingenuous if you can make "appropriate" targets look bad and/or hurt their reputation." and possibly "A willingness to lie and slander because its "for the greater good"."

He is still good writer, but now we understand that he is part of the narrative and establishment. As such, he is a Cuck and almost full SJW.

Post: #49

Did Ben Shapiro skip puberty?

He still looks 14 years old, is 5'5" tall and has a squeaky voice.

Post: #50

(03-16-2016 10:38 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  Did Ben Shapiro skip puberty?

He still looks 14 years old, is 5'5" tall and has a squeaky voice.

Oddly enough he doesn't care to use that as a defense when he's asked why he didn't join the military while he was supporting the Bush wars as a young "man".

Frankly the guy reminds me of this story my dad told me about an ad he saw encouraging jews to go back to Israel and work on the Kibbutzes: "We want men who can work with their hands, not their mouths." Shapiro is just a little pussy that can argue as much as he wants because he was lucky enough to have been born in an age where it's unacceptable to pound mouthy little wankers into the dirt.