Post: #126

(11-29-2011 11:10 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

(11-26-2011 11:36 PM)Brian Wrote:  its not just Ryan Air and Easy Jet its technology and globalization. 10 years ago you could show up in Latvia or Estonia and they had never spoken to an American before. Now they can get on skype or mamba. As the walls have come down and previously discovered gold mines have become tapped the targets have adapted. the first questions you are going to hear are "why are you here" and "how long are you staying." they've wised up to the old game. you need a connection and a reason or you are just like every other touristy douche wanting to come in, bang, and leave.

This is an important point. I don't think anywhere is truly immune from this. In another sense, online dating has really increased women's options who want to date a foreigner, so she is less likely to put out to a stag party in hopes of a green card. OTOH, globalization makes her own prospects just as good as if she was in the US, so no need to immigrate.

Moscow definitely has avoided the hordes, or at least it seems like that now. I guess I have to wait till the summer to give a definitive answer.

I think there are still a few untapped places but you have to go off the beaten path a little more.

Post: #127

(11-29-2011 11:17 AM)Brian Wrote:  I think there are still a few untapped places but you have to go off the beaten path a little more.

Georgia and Armenia fit these "unexplored/undamaged" places guys...


There is already a Georgia/Armenia thread out there.

Mixx

Post: #128

(11-29-2011 11:31 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(11-29-2011 11:17 AM)Brian Wrote:  I think there are still a few untapped places but you have to go off the beaten path a little more.

Georgia and Armenia fit these "unexplored/undamaged" places guys...


There is already a Georgia/Armenia thread out there.

Mixx

These places are definitely getting harder logistically though...the world is becoming a small place.

Post: #129

The harder it is logistically the better it probably is. Every donkey from the UK can catch a $49 flight to Riga for 3 days.

Post: #130

(11-29-2011 01:25 PM)Brian Wrote:  The harder it is logistically the better it probably is. Every donkey from the UK can catch a $49 flight to Riga for 3 days.

Post: #131

What about Azerbaijan? Baku has 2M people. Also has has Ganja and Sumqayit with 300K each. Homogenous population, although Muslim (which might make it bad for sexy time).

Post: #132

(11-29-2011 11:53 PM)Menace Wrote:  What about Azerbaijan? Baku has 2M people. Also has has Ganja and Sumqayit with 300K each. Homogenous population, although Muslim (which might make it bad for sexy time).

The people are conservative, but the place is apparently booming, which definitely helps loosen people up. It probably needs a little more marination before it becomes a good spot for girls IMO.

Post: #133

To be honest i don't get some posters "fear" travelling to Latvia because of the quality of the girls.
We are not speaking of easiness now.First of all,it's the quality.

I think Roosh explained it too(he called it the bolivia effect)and it's pretty much unambigous if you add experiences of other travelers.

It's maybe not your best choice but you CAN'T GO WRONG.

Some evidences for first travelleres:

Let it be no doubt, if you first travel to Europe,especially Eastern Europe and the Baltics,you will be amazed by the quality of talent there COMPARED to what you have at home.It's like another world,a no brainer.
Of course,after a while you will "get used" to the quality and due to personal experiences/taste if you travel to another country(like Roosh did now form Poland to Latvia)you might feel downgraded.

BUT,let me add: this DOES NOT change the fact that girls in the "subpar" country -in this instance Latvia - are still 1-2 notches higher than what you get at home.

To avoid the misconceptions here, fact is:

Still even the "worst" country in EE would trump NA in a heartbeat,and would get the higher notches.

Don't hesitate going to Latvia ,don't be "afraid" of the quality.

Post: #134

(11-30-2011 09:45 AM)Vickers Wrote:  To be honest i don't get some posters "fear" travelling to Latvia because of the quality of the girls.
We are not speaking of easiness now.First of all,it's the quality.

Nope. It's both.

I have a ton of quality in Miami beach/Medellin, but it has cost me a ton social proof built-up over years networking and spending $$$ to establish myself as a local player to dip into the top tier quality pool of women, and even then, I only average about 2 DISTINCT (some months I don't get ANY new girls) bangs per month in Miami Beach, and about 6 distinct bangs per month in Medellin with girl 8 or above in looks.

So, if I travel, I don't travel to look at quality girls on every corner that are going to be harder to fuck, but also more expensive to fuck (travel tickets, lodging expenses to even be there).

take Argentina, as an example. lots, and lots of INCREDIBLY fine women, but good luck getting any of them in bed in a time-frame of 3 weeks that the average traveler visits any country.

So, easiness/exotic advantage leverage is HUGE!

Mixx

Post: #135

(11-30-2011 10:28 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(11-30-2011 09:45 AM)Vickers Wrote:  To be honest i don't get some posters "fear" travelling to Latvia because of the quality of the girls.
We are not speaking of easiness now.First of all,it's the quality.

Nope. It's both.

I have a ton of quality in Miami beach/Medellin, but it has cost me a ton social proof built-up over years networking and spending $$$ to establish myself as a local player to dip into the top tier quality pool of women, and even then, I only average about 2 DISTINCT (some months I don't get ANY new girls) bangs per month in Miami Beach, and about 6 distinct bangs per month in Medellin with girl 8 or above in looks.

So, if I travel, I don't travel to look at quality girls on every corner that are going to be harder to fuck, but also more expensive to fuck (travel tickets, lodging expenses to even be there).

take Argentina, as an example. lots, and lots of INCREDIBLY fine women, but good luck getting any of them in bed in a time-frame of 3 weeks that the average traveler visits any country.

So, easiness/exotic advantage leverage is HUGE!

Mixx

I agree,it's both,but that was not the point made here.

Some guys started thinking about how "fat" Latvian girls could be,and were searching for BMI charts on the internet,or were asking Roosh to post some pictures of the "fat" girls.

You can't compare the qualitiy,so the only question here is easiness.

That's what i'm talking about.

Post: #136

(11-30-2011 10:44 AM)Vickers Wrote:  Some guys started thinking about how "fat" Latvian girls could be,and searching fro BMI charts on the internet,or were asking Roosh to post some pictures of the "fat" girls.

I see. Well, another fun fact is that guys who start doing crazy shit like pulling up BMI charts of countries before they visit etc, are NEVER going to leave US borders or travel there to begin with, you'd be surprised how many guys talk out their ass about countries just to convince themselves not to go....more pussy for me.


Mixx

Post: #137

If the quality is low, it matters little if they're easy or not. One is needed to proceed on the other.

Post: #138

Does anyone in the EE know what a nintendo Wii is? I thought about packing one to add value to the apartment, and get chicks to play tennis in their panties.***







***This is probably the dumbest question I've posted on the forum. Please don't publicly flog me.

Post: #139

(11-30-2011 12:46 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Does anyone in the EE know what a nintendo Wii is? I thought about packing one to add value to the apartment, and get chicks to play tennis in their panties.***

Good idea! Wii on average is 1.5x more expensive in the Baltics than in USA. While almost all young adults know what it is few own one. Playstation is much more popular over there.

Btw, nude Wii bowling might also be fun






***This is probably the dumbest question I've posted on the forum. Please don't publicly flog me.

Post: #140

That's it. I'm going back to Riga in January... I need to re-see it.
(Plus it's the best flight hub in all of EE - €120 to d

@Roosh - I heard you're set on Estonia. Tallinn is fabulous - one of my favourite cities ever (again I was there is the summer). Enjoy!

Post: #141

(11-29-2011 01:25 PM)Brian Wrote:  The harder it is logistically the better it probably is. Every donkey from the UK can catch a $49 flight to Riga for 3 days.

But arent there always huge airport fees?

Post: #142

(12-01-2011 08:52 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  Tallinn is fabulous - one of my favourite cities ever (again I was there is the summer). Enjoy!

I thought the general rule was to avoid E.E. cities in the summer as most of the girls travel on Holiday?

Exceptions: Croatia, Bulgaria.

Mixx

Post: #143

Tallinn doesnt get too hot, is near the water, and is a little cooler so it may not be too bad.

I've never really found 'dead summers' to really be that bad. Sure, some people are vacationing at the beach but the weather isn't usually oppressively hot and there are still a lot of people in town, unless it is a university town.

Post: #144

(12-01-2011 10:10 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(12-01-2011 08:52 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  Tallinn is fabulous - one of my favourite cities ever (again I was there is the summer). Enjoy!

I thought the general rule was to avoid E.E. cities in the summer as most of the girls travel on Holiday?

Exceptions: Croatia, Bulgaria.


Mixx

They travel for a wee bit. But at any given time I doubt 10% of hotties are out of the country. The real problem is students leaving urban centres while they're off-term. But you can't go to wrong in any capital city - still an abundance of chicas.

Post: #145

(12-01-2011 12:08 PM)naughtynomad Wrote:  

(12-01-2011 10:10 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(12-01-2011 08:52 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  Tallinn is fabulous - one of my favourite cities ever (again I was there is the summer). Enjoy!

I thought the general rule was to avoid E.E. cities in the summer as most of the girls travel on Holiday?

Exceptions: Croatia, Bulgaria.


Mixx

They travel for a wee bit. But at any given time I doubt 10% of hotties are out of the country. The real problem is students leaving urban centres while they're off-term. But you can't go to wrong in any capital city - still an abundance of chicas.

The "dead summer" is a combo of a few factors:
- students going back to their home cities, or on work-travel in the USA
- locals going out of town on vacation
- locals saving cash and energy for weekend trips to the beach, therefore not going out much during the week
- a lot of clubs close to remodel during the slow months, or to save money on wages

Post: #146

(12-01-2011 10:10 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(12-01-2011 08:52 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  Tallinn is fabulous - one of my favourite cities ever (again I was there is the summer). Enjoy!

I thought the general rule was to avoid E.E. cities in the summer as most of the girls travel on Holiday?

Exceptions: Croatia, Bulgaria.

Mixx

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Post: #147

(12-02-2011 06:43 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(12-01-2011 10:10 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(12-01-2011 08:52 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  Tallinn is fabulous - one of my favourite cities ever (again I was there is the summer). Enjoy!

I thought the general rule was to avoid E.E. cities in the summer as most of the girls travel on Holiday?

Exceptions: Croatia, Bulgaria.

Mixx

O...d....e.....s....s....a

Montenegro as well, though technically southeastern Europe.

Post: #148

(11-29-2011 01:25 PM)Brian Wrote:  The harder it is logistically the better it probably is. Every donkey from the UK can catch a $49 flight to Riga for 3 days.

Simple supply and demand. As the prices and logistics to get somewhere decreases, the supply of foreigners increases, therefore there's more foreigners to compete with. Additionally, the demand for foreigners decreases because they're no longer a hot commodity.

Basically, you're not a hot commodity anymore.

This shit is going to happen in more and more countries as the world gets increasingly interconnected. Sorry fellas, it's just how globalization works. Geography is becoming irrelevant.

I was having a conversation the other day about this with a friend in Moscow telling me about the wildness of the 90's. He said things were still good in Russia, but nothing compared to the old days. Globalization increases the job opportunities for locals to work for international companies and make great salaries. Globalization makes it easier for them to find a dude online. Globalization makes it easier for a foreigner to travel to Russia, so the average foreigner there isn't a big deal anymore. Globalization makes it easier for the girl to travel abroad.

I was telling him about how this isn't a Russia thing...it's happening everywhere, from Brazil, to Columbia, to Thailand, to China, to Latvia, to Russia...basically any country where a guy was in paradise 15 years ago, things are much more normalized now.

Post: #149

Only in the capitals mostly. Also, to put that into perspective, its still god knows how many times better than back home purely because the ratios are so much better.

Bottom line is that there are more 7's and 8's in a place like Moscow than there would be in Sydney or New York. The sheer quantity of them makes dealing with the existing 7's and 8's far easier. Where in Sydney and New York, the fatties are so numerous the bitch shields on the better looking women will rise because they have no competition. 8's act like 10's.

Yes globalisation is going to make you less exotic, but the speed at while they whale up will mean that its still good hunting grounds for a long time yet purely because the ratios are higher. And while feminism may be gaining some level of popularity, at the end of the day its no where near the levels it is in the west. In fact, many women are rejecting it and the men themselves wont tolerate it either.

We gave shit away. I dont think Russian and Colombian men are about to give women free reign like we did and see their balls removed. Likewise, until such time as the middle class in the majority AND the state provides the legislation it needs to for feminism to really take hold, it cant really gain traction outside the upper class women with university education and the ugly women who wish the world were a different place. No one is going to support them.

For those of us not relying only on our "exotic factor", things are still 10 times better. If you are not getting laid at home though, you are going to have your work cut out for you. If you travel to the smaller cities and towns and prep properly, its not going to be much different to the way it was back in the day.

There is tons to be positive about guys, you just need to adapt and prepare properly.

Post: #150

In Russia, you have to go of the beaten track. Go everywhere but st Petersburg or Moscow. After i left Moscow i hardly saw any tourists and became a rarity amongst locals. The only city that has tourist is Irkutsk next to Lake Baikal. Mostly couples or backpackers on pure sightseeing/nature trips.

Best looking women i've seen in Russia was in the city Khabarovsk in the Russia Far East. even after being in Russia for already 7 weeks, i couldn't believe my eyes there.