Post: #251

(03-04-2016 12:45 PM)ChemicalFreezer Wrote:  [*]We already know what is happening now with the European crisis....but one overlook country is Argentina (look deeper into it).

^^^^^^^

I have no doubt that about the occultist symbolism and rituals used by the "powers that be", but your comment about Argentina is of particular interest of me. Could you explain? Are you referring to the Nazi's in Germany? Wouldn't be surprised if they had occultists ties due to the atrocities from the Holocaust.

One of my closet friends growing up in Miami was Colombian, but her father was always out of town due to working a lucrative job working in the Polo/Horse business in Argentina, which is HUGE there. She would travel with him, and would always tell me how the rich and elite Germans basically owned the whole industry. Anyone who's been to Buenos Aires knows how heavily it's influenced by European culture. Especially the women.

After WW2, Argentina became a safe haven for thousands of Nazi war criminals due to its rigid extradition law's, and some believed President Juan Peron was a Nazi sympathizer.

http://www.history.com/news/how-south-am...nazi-haven

And of course current Pope Francis hails from Argentina and some has accused him as being a Jesuit and Nazi war criminal that fled there after WW2. This however is speculative.

http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2013/03...argentina/

Post: #252

(03-04-2016 12:45 PM)ChemicalFreezer Wrote:  [*] Research esoteric symbols and meaning behind them.
[*]Look into Saturn and its current symbolism
[*]Go back in time to the ancient culture and see what they worship/are worshiping now
[*]Piece it together with what's happening now (rituals, occult stuff, media, Hollywood, music industry, gaming industry, etc) and symbolism (see commercials and symbols)
[*]Look at the beginning of WWI and who was messing with who during that time (main powers behind it)
[*]Powers behind certain ideologies during these times
[*]What led to WWII and people involved in the finance industry
[*]What happen in certain African countries during the late 40's and 50's
[*]Look into the Ad-Dajjal, cubes, Capricorn symbols and other religious figures
[*]...[Insert more research here]
[*]We already know what is happening now with the European crisis....but one overlook country is Argentina (look deeper into it).
[/list]

Or how about that:
Instead of vaguely hinting at sinister secrets and sending everyone on a long and arduous journey through the internet without really knowing what they are supposed to look out for, you could just give us a short, one or two sentences long summary for each of your points.
I'm sure this would be much appreciated by everyone.

Post: #253

(03-04-2016 06:33 PM)Sosa Wrote:  And of course current Pope Francis hails from Argentina and some has accused him as being a Jesuit and Nazi war criminal that fled there after WW2. This however is speculative.

http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2013/03...argentina/

Oh for Christ's sake. Do these idiots not practice basic arithmetic? Francis was born on the 17th of December, 1936. I somehow doubt the SS were recruiting kids aged 9 and under to commit war crimes.

But let's indulge this for a second or two and assume Francis is a Nazi war criminal who finagled a fake birth certificate. Let's be generous and assume that he was 18 years old on 1 September 1939:



Pretty fucking well-preserved for a 95-year-old. Even fucking Keanu Reeves and Dylan McDermott could learn a lot about age-defying makeup from him.

It gets to be an even more impressive preservation if you assume him to have been older when the war broke out. A man 23 years old the day the Nazis invaded Poland would be literally one hundred years old right now.

For comparison, let's look at John Paul II, 88 years old in 2005 at the time of his death:

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #254

(03-02-2016 10:53 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 08:09 PM)Roosh Wrote:  So I know Leonardo has a lot of fans here (I like his acting myself), but his recent actions of speaking up for climate change goes against his behavior of traveling on private jets and yachts to bang hoes around the world. He must be in the top 0.000001% in terms of fossil fuel usage.

Before this thread, I'd think Leo was just another loony liberal.

After this thread, I wonder if he's been told to fulfill certain agendas in order for having a big role that may win him his first Oscar

So my guess is he got passed around as a child actor, is submitting to god-knows what type of rituals behind closed doors, and is actively shilling for his masters on the environmentalism issue, which is closely aligned to depopulation agenda.

He also has donated money to "support gay rights":

And has spoken out like a true feminist.

If I was a betting man, I'd say he's going to win his first Oscar this year.

Post: #255

(03-05-2016 12:30 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 10:53 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 08:09 PM)Roosh Wrote:  So I know Leonardo has a lot of fans here (I like his acting myself), but his recent actions of speaking up for climate change goes against his behavior of traveling on private jets and yachts to bang hoes around the world. He must be in the top 0.000001% in terms of fossil fuel usage.

Before this thread, I'd think Leo was just another loony liberal.

After this thread, I wonder if he's been told to fulfill certain agendas in order for having a big role that may win him his first Oscar

So my guess is he got passed around as a child actor, is submitting to god-knows what type of rituals behind closed doors, and is actively shilling for his masters on the environmentalism issue, which is closely aligned to depopulation agenda.

He also has donated money to "support gay rights":

And has spoken out like a true feminist.

If I was a betting man, I'd say he's going to win his first Oscar this year.

Leonardo DiCaprio met Pope Francis about a month ago at the Vatican to discuss their shared views on climate change.





He gives the Pope a book as a gift.

"It represented our planet . . . the Utopia that we've been given ... the Overpopulation, excess ...."

Post: #256

(03-04-2016 01:49 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 12:45 PM)ChemicalFreezer Wrote:  Good thread! But this is just the tip of the iceberg. People seeing this thread should

do the following:
• Research esoteric symbols and meaning behind them.
• Look into Saturn and its current symbolism
• Go back in time to the ancient culture and see what they worship/are worshiping now
• Piece it together with what's happening now (rituals, occult stuff, media, Hollywood, music industry, gaming industry, etc) and symbolism (see commercials and symbols)
• Look at the beginning of WWI and who was messing with who during that time (main powers behind it)
• Powers behind certain ideologies during these times
• What led to WWII and people involved in the finance industry
• What happen in certain African countries during the late 40's and 50's
• Look into the Ad-Dajjal, cubes, Capricorn symbols and other religious figures
• ...[Insert more research here]
• We already know what is happening now with the European crisis....but one overlook country is Argentina (look deeper into it).
  
  

....
The people/groups/beings behind all this are almost the same. Hence, the term "The Powers that Be", "Illuminati", etc. Make no mistake about it there is no coincidence here.

(03-04-2016 04:55 PM)Ringo Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 12:45 PM)ChemicalFreezer Wrote:  Good thread! But this is just the tip of the iceberg. People seeing this thread should

do the following:
• Research esoteric symbols and meaning behind them.
• Look into Saturn and its current symbolism
• Go back in time to the ancient culture and see what they worship/are worshiping now
• Piece it together with what's happening now (rituals, occult stuff, media, Hollywood, music industry, gaming industry, etc) and symbolism (see commercials and symbols)
• Look at the beginning of WWI and who was messing with who during that time (main powers behind it)
• Powers behind certain ideologies during these times
• What led to WWII and people involved in the finance industry
• What happen in certain African countries during the late 40's and 50's
• Look into the Ad-Dajjal, cubes, Capricorn symbols and other religious figures
• ...[Insert more research here]
• We already know what is happening now with the European crisis....but one overlook country is Argentina (look deeper into it).
  
  

....
The people/groups/beings behind all this are almost the same. Hence, the term "The Powers that Be", "Illuminati", etc. Make no mistake about it there is no coincidence here.

This post had me like:

(03-04-2016 07:43 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 12:45 PM)ChemicalFreezer Wrote:  [*] Research esoteric symbols and meaning behind them.
[*]Look into Saturn and its current symbolism
[*]Go back in time to the ancient culture and see what they worship/are worshiping now
[*]Piece it together with what's happening now (rituals, occult stuff, media, Hollywood, music industry, gaming industry, etc) and symbolism (see commercials and symbols)
[*]Look at the beginning of WWI and who was messing with who during that time (main powers behind it)
[*]Powers behind certain ideologies during these times
[*]What led to WWII and people involved in the finance industry
[*]What happen in certain African countries during the late 40's and 50's
[*]Look into the Ad-Dajjal, cubes, Capricorn symbols and other religious figures
[*]...[Insert more research here]
[*]We already know what is happening now with the European crisis....but one overlook country is Argentina (look deeper into it).
[/list]

Or how about that:
Instead of vaguely hinting at sinister secrets and sending everyone on a long and arduous journey through the internet without really knowing what they are supposed to look out for, you could just give us a short, one or two sentences long summary for each of your points.
I'm sure this would be much appreciated by everyone.

Alright I'm going to start at the very beginning with Saturn. Why Saturn? Well, I know that a lot of you guys know lots of stuff, but one of the main problems I had with all this information was how it was all "connected". I look for many years for the "missing" link between all of this. Saturn is basically this connection. So lets start!

There is a “hexagon” in the North Pole and there is an “eye” in the South Pole of Saturn. (We will go back to this later on)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn%27s_hexagon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn

In Chaldean languages each letter is represented as a numeric value. Saturn can be translated to STUR.
S = 60 T = 400 U = 6 R = 200 == 666

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmancy

Saturn is 6th planet of the solar system, and Saturday is the 6th of the week, which when translate is Day of Saturn. We have a hexagon of 6 sides in the North Pole. The hexagram is derived from the hexagon, which also has 6 sides. This can also be form into a cube (We will come back to this later on, but look deeper into religious symbols of main religions and whatnot)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday

Saturn in roman mythology made a pack with Titan to eat children as way to say thank you. Later on Jupiter (son of Saturn) dethrones Saturn from the heavens and is left to live on earth. It is said that he put the laws and orders to all humans on earth. We also known he is represented as the God of agriculture, and represented as Capricorn who is ruler of the 10th house, and which is half men and half beast. He is element earth and is represented by earthly stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_(mythology)

If we look at the bible it is also says that Satan was ban from heaven and thrown on earth. Again don’t look this from a religious point of view, but from a symbolical, and numerological point of view.

We know that Carthaginian offer child sacrifices in order to please Saturn. In order to drown the screams of the child they used instruments such as drums/flutes/etc during the ceremony. We also know that modern Christmas is derived from the Saturnalia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia

I’m going to keep posting more when I have some time. But, to understand everything that we see today (political ideologies, media, finance, Hollywood, rituals, anything occult, etc) it is essential to known about symbolism/numerology. What “ties” or “connects” everything (problems we are facing today) together in this world is Saturn.

Post: #257

(03-04-2016 06:33 PM)Sosa Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 12:45 PM)ChemicalFreezer Wrote:  [*]We already know what is happening now with the European crisis....but one overlook country is Argentina (look deeper into it).

^^^^^^^

I have no doubt that about the occultist symbolism and rituals used by the "powers that be", but your comment about Argentina is of particular interest of me. Could you explain? Are you referring to the Nazi's in Germany? Wouldn't be surprised if they had occultists ties due to the atrocities from the Holocaust.

One of my closet friends growing up in Miami was Colombian, but her father was always out of town due to working a lucrative job working in the Polo/Horse business in Argentina, which is HUGE there. She would travel with him, and would always tell me how the rich and elite Germans basically owned the whole industry. Anyone who's been to Buenos Aires knows how heavily it's influenced by European culture. Especially the women.

After WW2, Argentina became a safe haven for thousands of Nazi war criminals due to its rigid extradition law's, and some believed President Juan Peron was a Nazi sympathizer.

http://www.history.com/news/how-south-am...nazi-haven

And of course current Pope Francis hails from Argentina and some has accused him as being a Jesuit and Nazi war criminal that fled there after WW2. This however is speculative.

http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2013/03...argentina/

Everything I have research of this topic pretty much points out that Hitler and other Nazis (top guys) escaped to parts of Argentina and lowers parts of Brazil. There is heavy German influence here....to put simply....I think that Hitler along with his closest generals knew what was "going on" from a global perspective. If you really want to know more I think we need to look closer at his "occult" stuff....I'm going to leave it at that because it get complicated.....

But going back to Argentina of today, we need to see who are the people/powers/groups pushing immigration in that region, and their goals. It seems to me that they are "rushing" something. But I can't really put my finger on it yet.

Post: #258

Ok for those who don't want to wait for Chemicalfreeze:

You might not know it, but the entire world has been worshiping Saturn for thousands of years. The cult has never stopped and its rites are still present to this day.
http://thirdeyeforums.com/group/the-plan...you-it-did
http://www.nicholson1968.com/nicholson19...black-cube

This website discusses the disturbing occult origins of the planet Saturn and its influence on our march towards the terrifying elitist agenda of ‘justifiable’ man-made global cleansing.
http://saturndeathcult.com/

Really messed up stuff.

Post: #259

Interview with Alex Jones and Mark Dice:





Main point is there is a public pop culture face of the Illuminati that conceals those who are working behind the scenes. With the celebrities flashing the signs, they could just be trying to present themselves as cool or in a secret club, but have no real power.

Post: #260

I don't feel like going over the whole history of it since its insanely long and it might be too boring. Pics might do the job.

Post: #261

I found this Patrice O'Neal gem. Start paying attention around the 18 minute mark.

Post: #262

(03-04-2016 01:34 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Also one other challenge: See if someone can identify what the people in various "protected" minority groups that are being pushed have in common...e.g. Indians, Mexicans, European "muslim immigrants", and Gypsies.


Notice I asked about the PEOPLE, not the groups. There's something that they all have in common which has nothing to do with anything social or economic.

Spicy food? Lots of cousins? Weak currencies? Lousy cab drivers?

Im not following your point.

Post: #263

Quote:There is a “hexagon” in the North Pole and there is an “eye” in the South Pole of Saturn. (We will go back to this later on)

So what?

Quote:In Chaldean languages each letter is represented as a numeric value. Saturn can be translated to STUR.
S = 60 T = 400 U = 6 R = 200 == 666

What do you know of 666? It's only a symbol. It's the "symbol of man", or "the symbol of the beast" who is man's lower animalistic nature. Don't get caught up on symbols. They tell a simple story in a complicated way. Likewise, worshiping symbols such as Saturn is inappropriate and inaccurate as to what is going on in any theoretical occult religion being practiced.

Quote:Saturn is 6th planet of the solar system, and Saturday is the 6th of the week, which when translate is Day of Saturn. We have a hexagon of 6 sides in the North Pole. The hexagram is derived from the hexagon, which also has 6 sides. This can also be form into a cube (We will come back to this later on, but look deeper into religious symbols of main religions and whatnot)

Saturday is the seventh day of the week. The day of rest. The Sabbath. The seventh and last day of creation. The final 1000 years in the cycle. The messianic era. The era of the perfect reflection of heaven on Earth.

Quote:Saturn in roman mythology made a pack with Titan to eat children as way to say thank you. Later on Jupiter (son of Saturn) dethrones Saturn from the heavens and is left to live on earth. It is said that he put the laws and orders to all humans on earth. We also known he is represented as the God of agriculture, and represented as Capricorn who is ruler of the 10th house, and which is half men and half beast. He is element earth and is represented by earthly stuff.

Who came before Saturn? How does Greek/Roman myth relate to older religions?

Quote:We know that Carthaginian offer child sacrifices in order to please Saturn. In order to drown the screams of the child they used instruments such as drums/flutes/etc during the ceremony.

Why, specifically, did they sacrifice children?

Quote:I’m going to keep posting more when I have some time. But, to understand everything that we see today (political ideologies, media, finance, Hollywood, rituals, anything occult, etc) it is essential to known about symbolism/numerology. What “ties” or “connects” everything (problems we are facing today) together in this world is Saturn.

All of this symbolism only retells the oldest story in the Abrahamic faiths. If you figure out what the essential struggle or conflicting point of view is, then you can put all of the unnecessary symbolism in perspective.

What is man's essential struggle in relation to God?

Post: #264

(03-06-2016 05:35 PM)ChemicalFreezer Wrote:  I don't feel like going over the whole history of it since its insanely long and it might be too boring. Pics might do the job.

The Black Cube likely cannot be Saturn and Seth at the same time, unless we are dissociating Saturn from Saturday or we are associating the Egyptian Seth with the professed descendants of the biblical Seth or, in other words, the Jews who associate themselves with the seventh day. The seventh day represents the end of chaos. The Egyptian Seth represents a type of sometimes-beneficial chaos. The Seth of the Egyptian religion is actually the agent of a more benign chaos (in the long term, in the short term the chaos was unwanted) that was responsible for keeping a greater apocalyptic chaos at bay.

The symbolism of human or human-like figures pointing up and down is the same as the symbolism of the Star of David. What occurs on Earth is reflected in Heaven. Essentially, it's a symbol of the seventh day, the messianic era, or the fact that one day Earth will be 'perfected'. It's a symbol of The Law. In Egypt, that symbol was the Eye of Ma'at. In the Abrahamic context, it's wholly utopian and thus it more or less implies apocalypse.

The Kabbalstic Tree is the Tower, or the ascension to Godhood.

The eye of providence is just another version of the eye of Ma'at.

The devil is the beast, or lower man.

I don't find corporate symbols compelling for study.

Post: #265

(01-23-2016 01:09 AM)Enigma Wrote:  The left Eye of Horus is also known as the Eye of Thoth. The Egyptian god Thoth and Greek god Hermes are one in the same. Hermes/Thoth = Hermeticism. Hence the connections to the occult and why emphasis is usually placed on the left eye.

All true, but I would be careful about associating Hermeticism as interchangeable with the Egyptian religion. So-called Hermeticism may have come later or been a syncretic add-on to history.

Thoth mediated the Law, and was thus responsible for helping to keep Ma'at (symbolized by the "eye of Ra"). He was indeed the messenger, if I remember correctly.

Also, and this is stretching my memory without going and looking it up, I believe that The Eye of Ra and The Eye of Horus were opposite eyes. One represents the law in Heaven and one represents the law on Earth. The latter was in a constant struggle to reflect the former; but always remains an imperfect reflection (thus its linear measurements are an imperfect 63/64ths). If this is correct, then it the two eyes are also reflective of an aspect of the essential struggle.

Post: #266

(01-23-2016 01:12 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  I'd like to know the extent of Freemasonry's reach in Hollywood, if any.

Freemasonry is just over-symbolized and ritualized Judaism for gentiles. If you want to know about it, a good indirect method is to study Mormon theology and ignore the Jesus stuff. Remember that the important part is the theology. Everything else is just noise.

The question isn't so much whether or not Freemasonry is in Hollywood, but whether or not its theology informs Hollywood. It does, but also almost everything else. I think that functional modern Freemasonry is more or less just a fancy boys club with an occult LARP.

For the real religion go to Judaism or Mormonism, for the real occultism go to the O.T.O or the Golden Dawn. The essential theology will be mostly the same under all of the window dressing.

Post: #267

(01-23-2016 12:37 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 05:27 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 04:38 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  This thread makes me scared. I've read similar therories and they are all well written.
To be honest mates, all this makes me want to become Christian more than ever.

Before you do that, make sure you know what 'becoming a Christian' actually means. The modern, feminised Church by treating Christ as women's alpha and omega boyfriend whilst singing flaccid love ballads will rarely tell you what the core meaning of Christianity is.

Study the meaning and the gravity of the blood covenant. I don't need to explain the blood covenant to men here because their ancestral memory instinctively knows what blood covenants meant to their tribal ancestors. In the case of Christianity, the blood covenant on offer is with the King of kings.

The appeal of Christianity is to submit yourself to God's will, with the knowledge that he will hear your prayers and guide you. All things work together for good for those who love the lord. You get to walk in the light, renounce evil, and devote yourself to righteousness. You feel the presence of the holy spirit in your life. There is unspeakable joy to be found. Your faith gives you an unshakeable frame.

That's the promise, and I've had a taste of these things in my life. However, it's very hard to sustain, and it's easy to feel that God ought to shield you better from life's difficulties and pain if you walk closely with him.

I will say one of the prime benefits of seeking God with all your heart is to feel fully insulated from the evil of this world. The most it can do is kill you, but if you know that your reward is in Heaven, and know that God will work it all out for good in the end, you can reach a point of accepting this.

That's one type of Christianity. There are different types that roughly fall on a linear gamut. The opposite ends of the gamut represent the opposite ends of theology and religion.

Post: #268

Quote:Freemasonry is just over-symbolized and ritualized Judaism for gentiles.

Please explain.

Post: #269

(01-26-2016 12:31 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Just remember, Satan is the lord of lies. He never keeps his end of the deal.

And The Lord of the Flies.

Post: #270

(03-17-2016 09:02 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:Freemasonry is just over-symbolized and ritualized Judaism for gentiles.

Please explain.

I'll add the caveat that one can never say for certain what Freemasonry is and is not without being a higher level Freemason. I haven't been privy to their meetings.

With that being said, I'm fairly certain that my generalization of its theology is correct. The best that we have to go on is what their symbols point to and what their offshoots, like Mormonism, point to.

My perception, of what the theology of Freemasonry is, is extrapolated from those sources as well as the general theology of occult magical practice that occurs in other offshoots that share much of its symbolism, like the O.T.O and the Golden Dawn. The theology for all of these clubs and religions is essentially the same, all symbols aside. The mythology and professed end goals (or eschatology) may be different, but the theology is the same.

I'll attempt to state it as succinctly as possible. If I give you the basics, hopefully you can research from there and draw your own conclusions merely because there is a lot to read and think about.

There are two opposite perspectives on our relationship to what we would call "God". Now, God may be any number of things: an anthropomorphic deity, the "truth", or "nature".

These two opposite perspectives on man's relationship to God define the opposite ends of religious belief. The first story of the first man in the Bible tells of the formation of this relationship between man and god, and the final form of this relationship was brought into being by man's choice. In fact, the choice itself defined the relationship from then on out.

Before the choice was made that was against "God", man was supposed to do what he was told by "God".

Remember that God can also be represented by man's innate nature.

How modern religions interpret this story is informed by their belief in what that choice meant and means for man.

One end of the spectrum believes that man is destined to revolt against and transcend his given nature (given from God), thus becoming like God or an outright God.

This is "Free Will" theology represented on the extreme end by Mormonism, Judaism, and likely by Freemasonry. One of its primary signatures is that it is always a religion of "works", as they believe that the choice to adhere to their man-made law (that is inherently equivalent or superior to God's law) will bring their notion of a perfect society to Earth. It's an inherently utopic theology.

The Mormon's are saddled with endless rules and works based obligations to include the most prolific missionary network on the planet (because anyone can "choose" to be good by following the Law and thus overcoming their lower nature and becoming god-like).

Mormon's believe that the Fall was a fortuitous opportunity for man to perfect himself toward Godhood.

The Jews have Tikkun Olam, their 613 rules, and their perfected Messianic era. As far as I know, they believe roughly the same thing about the Fall. Kabbalism is the dominant Judaic religion, and so checking with Chabad or another similar group with writing in English would be the best source. Alternately, you can seek out books by Gershom Sholem. There are precious few books on Hasidic Judaism in English, but a few exist and they might be insightful.

The Freemason's have whatever they have "worked" at for however long that they have worked at it. However, what is telling is their motto "Order through Chaos" that is essentially an expression of the Egyptian theology that held that Set, or Seth, a representative of Chaos, worked to preserve the Greater Order. They may have held in the past, or still hold, that a greater world order will come through the works based creation of lesser chaos that will eventually allow a remodeling of the old order. This is all centered in a works based belief system. All of that aside, their prolific use of symbols such as the Star of David ties them in with the explicitly Free Will theology of Judaism and the concept of doing work on Earth to create a reflection in Heaven.

To summarize:

Mormonism is an explicit and extreme Free Will theology that is intimately tied in with Freemasonry. Any magical philosophy is inherently Free Will theology as it involves doing "works" to effect your will over the world and even to compel God or other metaphysical beings to do your will. The symbolism of Judaism and magical lodges, and the heritage of Mormonism, is all associated with Freemasonry. The central myth of Freemasonry associates masons with metal workers and crafstmen; anthropomorphic symbols of working one's will over the material world, ultimately to create the "Molten Sea" that represents the perfected Earth.

It's essentially a theology of revolting against one's nature in an attempt to rise above it. It ends in a utopic vision in Mormonism of each Mormon "god" ruling over his planet. It ends in Israel being an island of priests that the world looks to for spiritual guidance after a long period of chaos and destruction (also likely symbolized by the Egyptian BenBen stone that arose out of the chaotic waters of pre-creation as a new primordial mound that represents Order).



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benben

For the Freemasons, it likely ends in the formation of a New World Order symbolized by the Molten Sea.

The opposite theology is one in which there is no Free Will. My interpretation of this is that it is this theology essentially says that we can not meaningfully transcend our innate nature and that trying to do so brings evil and destruction.

Instead, they hold that God enforces his sovereign will by imparting us with grace that is out of our control to seek or gain. This "grace" is essentially the ability to perceive "truth" or "the good" and the resultant lack of ability to resist choosing it. Those who have this grace are chosen. In other words, being truly of God or "good" is not something that we can achieve by following a man-made law, but instead it is what compels us to be innately good people. Under the works based theologies, evil people are on the same moral plane as innately good people as long as they both follow the man made law. Under grace based theologies, what type of person you are matters over legalism.

In grace based theology, it is only God's choice to confer to you "grace" and thus it is only God's Will that is sovereign. You choosing to follow the man made law outside of an innate drive to be a good person is meaningless. This theology is best represented by forms of Christianity that explicitly reject Works based theology and Free Will theology. They essentially define Christ's arrival in the material plane as an attempt to dissuade the Pharisaic sect from teaching their Free Will theology, rooted in the Law of Man, and to encourage a return to God's original religion that was based not in man's choice but in God's choice of man.

Post: #271

(01-26-2016 06:57 AM)Tokyo Joe Wrote:  There was this movie -- and maybe some of you have seen it -- that came out back in 1994, Nobody's Fool. When I first saw it I was in dumbstruck awe of its beautiful slice-of-life portrayal of an Everyman, played by Paul Newman, who was then just turning 70. Everything about this film had a wholesome-seeming all-American quality to it: From the cast -- Newman, Jessica Tandy at the very end of her life, Bruce Willis, Melanie Griffith, Dylan Walsh, Josef Sommer, Pruitt Taylor Vince, many others -- to the setting in the snow-socked fictional town of North Bath in upstate New York (it was actually shot in the Hudson valley towns of Beacon/Fishkill/Balmville), to the simple and touching all-American stories of everyday life as it truly is in this modest little town...

In a way it had come to be one of my favorite movies, one I would return to almost yearly at a certain time in the dead of winter. Yeah, well, that was until I happened to meet someone who was connected to a sheriff's department in one of those New York towns where the film was shot. Although it was effectively hushed up, it was a poorly guarded secret that almost every single day after the shooting wrapped up, Newman, Willis, Walsh, Vince and some other cast members would go on the prowl in the surrounding neighborhoods in a big white windowless rape van. They would snatch young boys off the streets and do unspeakable things to them -- all while old Jessica Tandy drove the van around the back roads. She may have been 85 years old but she was a wily one when it came to evading the local cops.

1. I agree about the movie, as it is one of my favorites.

2. Get the fuck outta here with that story! That never happened.

edit upon further reading down the thread: I'm glad that YOU didn't think that was a real thing, TJ. nice one...

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(01-28-2016 01:25 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Islam is also a pagan religion in all but name.

Islam is another good example of a works based and thus utopic religion. Follow Shariah Law to be "saved". Choose to submit to Allah to be saved. It endeavors to conquer to the world, and to use coercion to have others choose (their) God, for the Islamic utopia.

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(01-28-2016 04:11 PM)Roosh Wrote:  So it looks like Will Smith has sacrificed his kids to Hollywood to advance the transsexual agenda. Here they are talking about how gender is meaningless. It's getting hard to tell which one is male and which one is female. The boy is acting more feminine than the girl.

Fast forward to 1:35:

1:35 : these kids are expressing Free Will Theology... antinomianism being the natural and logical progression of that theology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbateans...y_Hasidism

The Kabbalistic Adam is a hermaphrodite. This is also the Adam of the Mormons.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articl...maphrodite

Quote:Adam had both sexes, and was thus a real hermaphrodite in the old mythical sense, identical with that conception of Hermes in which he is understood to be the "logos alethinos," the son of Maya, the bisexual primeval man of the East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kadmon

Much of this theology is focused on a return to a primeval perfected state that only existed at the first moments of creation; thus creating "Heaven on Earth" and also, necessarily, elevating the sexually ambiguous human state in line with their concept of the first human.

The modern Rosicrucian account of Free-masonic eschatology holds that humans will no longer have sex in the future in addition to all other differences disappearing. Check out "The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception" (foremost) and "Freemasonry and Catholicism" by Max Heindel (a Rosicrucian who is informing on his beliefs).

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(01-28-2016 04:42 PM)emuelle1 Wrote:  Aurini, great post; I saved that to Evernote.

Several of the books and talks I've read on the Occult talk about a religious system where Lucifer is considered the "good god" and the Biblical God is considered evil for hiding enlightenment from mankind. Lucifer, the "light bringer" brings man enlightenment which Yahweh hid. Of course, this is only revealed at the higher levels of the organization after people are too far inside and have too many skeletons in their closets to leave.

Free Will theology.

The "Light" is man's reason that is equal to or superior to God's Will.

So, yes, Lucifer can be held to be the "good God" in this theology, in that he offers humans the freedom of choice (just as in the Garden) and Yahweh to be hiding the "light" or, in other words, preventing man from breaking free of God's Will (arguably innate human nature) to realize that he can follow his own Will or Reason in rebellion against God's Rules / Laws.

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(01-28-2016 08:00 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  I find it the height of irony that satanists claim that Yahweh hid enlightenment from man, while they [satanists] hide every aspect about who and what they are until its too late to turn back. A tree is known for its fruit.

When you follow a religion that, as its core premise, says that you get to make your own rules then that generally includes a pass on lying. Furthermore, because they aren't compelled to follow God's rules through irresistible grace (their own nature) they don't flinch at lying. It's as easy as breathing.