(02-23-2016 03:55 PM)esalen1 Wrote:  My filipina g.f. of 1.5 years, has been talking about raw dogging quite a bit lately, saying she's on birth control. She's saying the condoms basically suck.

I was doing it raw dog previously with her when we started dating, but after getting scared once, I stopped. I would first need to get her tested to think about it. Anyone know a good place to do that around Makati area?

There is a chain of clinics called "Precision" that do a panel of STD tests for about 800 pesos which is a fraction of the price of the bigger hospitals. I don't think there is one actually in Makati but there are a couple quite nearby.

Any members who have dated online a lot care to estimate % of pulls / closes per date?

Note: Success! Past 2 weeks: I had 2 dates online here with 7s, 21 and 22 y.o. Got them both to my apartment on the first night, which was pretty awesome I thought. Just met at Starbucks, then to dinner / lunch, then bounced to my apartment to "check my work email" and the other one was to watch movie or tv, and plus I had takeout food I needed to put away. Both I facebooked and chatted on f.b. awhile before 1st date. F.B. account is my "game" account. Just for game. So I can add complete loser pua friends haha JOKING It most definitely can help me to screen to get on their f.b. I can see a few hundred photos vs. a few on the dating sites.....

Cheers!

@esalen: Pics?

@Putin Closes: Are you saying massive beta bucks aren't being thrown around in other Asian countries? Was in China for five years. Was white man's paradise in 2009. Super bad there now. Gotta compete with rich kids for the best girls. Would imagine SKorea and Japan to be the same. Heard Thailand is worse than Ph.

Erikak,by not specifying where in China you were in and by making blanket statements about several countries, you come across as a borderline troll. SKorea and Japan(hell, most countries in the world) has always been about the local rich guys getting the best girls because they have cash. With solid game, you could pull a 9 in Japan but you would have to do it discreetly because these girls have a reputation to uphold and definitely wouldn't just sleep with you just because you're white, the local guys are her gold mine and you're just a white foreigner like any other whether it be Roppongi, Itaewon or Khao San road.

(02-23-2016 11:23 PM)erikak Wrote:  @esalen: Pics?

@Putin Closes: Are you saying massive beta bucks aren't being thrown around in other Asian countries? Was in China for five years. Was white man's paradise in 2009. Super bad there now. Gotta compete with rich kids for the best girls. Would imagine SKorea and Japan to be the same. Heard Thailand is worse than Ph.

There are a lot more 7's in northeast asia. Hence the thirst is lower. When most girls are skinny and pale (Ie Japan / Taiwan) the rich focus on higher talent. Obviously 8's and 9's theres always lots of beta bucks anywhere in the world.

My statement above wasn't only focusing on looks.

East Asians also tend to be sweeter, more feminine, more domestic, less spoiled, less confrontational and less westernized than a pale, well-off SEA girl would be. Basically, they have higher LTR potential.

Let's put it this way:

Plonk the exact same pale Filipina 7 in Tokyo or Seoul and she would not be pedestalized at all. The fact that she can't cook (her maid always did that) and won't clean after herself would be a huge liability. I expect that such a girl would have to massively up her game if she wanted to find a decent husband. Meanwhile, in the Philippines we all know that just being white-skinned is enough to have literally dozens of local suitors. The environment really does shape a girl's attitude.

Putin is giving his perspective as someone who has been to East Asia too. If you have never stayed in Korea, China or Japan then he may sound trollish to you, but his view is a valid one. I have had extremely similar conversations with other members such as Leighton, Global and Dagnasty.

Once you go East Asian, your expectations for both looks and personality go up. You can also find ones with curves if that's what you want. Hence my statement that it's kind of weird to go to SEA specifically for the pale girls. As far as I can see, they "pale" on most counts when placed next to East Asians.

Just to be clear, there are plenty of upsides to SEA as a location and the girls. I'm just talking about the pale demographic here. And my opinions tend to change over time so maybe I'll be writing something completely different in a year from now.

Anyone want to meet up for drinks tonight in mango park then pm me.

(02-24-2016 05:43 AM)dreambig Wrote:  Once you go East Asian, your expectations for both looks and personality go up. You can also find ones with curves if that's what you want. Hence my statement that it's kind of weird to go to SEA specifically for the pale girls. As far as I can see, they "pale" on most counts when placed next to East Asians.

The reason why you don't see huge numbers of SEA Chinese and their local admixtures with pale skin is because most hang out and marry their own. Plus overall it's a small percentage in any case that have ethnic Chinese blood to begin with.

Another reason is that most Chinese who migrated to SEA are southern Chinese..although it's a broader spectrum of southern Chinese than those that immigrated to the U.S. and Canada. Southern Chinese women tend to become a little darker, thicker, and slightly less attractive than their northern or sw (sichuan) sisters. If they mix with the locals they look just like a slightly paler version of the local SEA types.

Also quite a few SEA are naturally pale too for example.. Chiang Mai Thais.

I've also met quite a few filipinas who I thought were mixed but were in fact just regular Filipinas from a certain province known for being lighter than usual.

When figuring out if someone has ethnic Chinese mixture or not it's not really all skin tone but the face. Ethnic Chinese girls tend to have "softer" or more fey type features. SEA are more angular. Chinese girls are also usually slightly taller and more leggy.

Troll? I was in Shenyang, China. Things changed, there. It went from white man's paradise to white man's hell in a period of just four years. I caught the tail end of white fever there in 2009 as it was on its way out. The amount of female attention I received then was unbelievable. It really was like being a movie star. You could easily secure and marry a 9 or 10 if you were white and had even a little money. But by 2013, being white had become a disadvantage. (It must have been like heaven in the 90s, early 00s.)

By 2014 I'd see the hottest white girls with Chinese guys on the street. Nerdy looking guys. Meanwhile, handsome white dudes with Chinese girls who were 5s at best.

Now, living in the Philippines since Sep 2015, I can safely say it's the same situation here. Do a search about how "easy the girls are in Ph". All the results will be from 2013, 2014. White fever is over in this country. Everything I've read online suggests that Thailand, Japan and Korea are the same.

I wish more people would talk about this to warn newbies who hope to come here and easily score. You'll score, sure, but only with the leftovers. My friend, who is model tier, has a profile on PL, FC, etc and the hot ones rarely reply to him, and the only ones who show any real interest are 6s at best. Single moms. Women in their 30s. I'm doing better than him and I suspect that's because I have a (nice) car which is a huge deal to the girls here. (Still not getting the hotties, though.)

I guess people won't talk about this because it bruises their ego or something. "Naw man... I'm pulling 10 hotties per week!!" And to that I simply say: "Pic?"

^ To except a Utopian situation in which all it takes to get 10's is to be white and nothing else to last, is very very naive.

Arbitrages like this get filled.

"By the time it hits the news it's time to sell, not to buy". I'm sure you heard the adage.

People who come to SEA and except girls to land on their dick simply because of their skin color deserve "nothing but leftovers", as you put it.

People who are willing to put in effort however, will get much more bang for their resources and time than they do 'back home'.

Furthermore this attitude of "I deserve everything due to something I didn't earn" (e.g. skin color) is toxic to a man's well being over the long term.

I've said multiple times that if your only desire is girls with pale skin, go to Korea or Japan.

The caveats that I added were:

1. That Filipinas and East Asians have distinct differences, which some guys may prefer. This includes body types, facial features, languages, accents, senses of humor, personalities, etc.

You may personally find Filipinas “less submissive”, for instance, but many guys specifically choose Latinas over East Asians for that exact reason.

2. There are more fair-skinned girls than what's being claimed. I already broke that down in my last post.

This is what was given as an example of 7s:

(02-15-2016 03:20 PM)Putin Closes Wrote:  This is a 7 for a local: https://z-1-scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...5841_o.jpg
https://z-1-scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...7610_o.jpg

I'm content getting side action from 2-3 of these type of caliber woman, much better then chasing numbers. So far I'm striking out.

Pale, thin, not 5 foot. Keep in mind 7's mean "hot" and there aren't a whole lot of 7's to begin with. Not only that vast majority of 7's DO NOT go out the nightlife. If you start lurking through all the pictures of Valkyrie, you'll be shocked on the lack of talent for such a "high end" night club compared to lets say Taiwan.

To suggest that those girls are somehow rare or unattainable in the Philippines is simply not accurate.

To suggest all girls this quality and above are spoiled princesses is simply not accurate.

I would be on the first plane out of this place if that was the case.

Fucking hell guys, I've pulled better looking girls from anonymous Craigslist sex ads. No seriously. I had a 21-year-old Ateneo grad with milk white skin and big tits who used to come to my place to bang and then feed me Goya Bits (Filipino M&Ms) while we lay there naked.

My ex, who was significantly thinner and more attractive than those girls, used to start every morning by rolling over and giving me a blowjob to completion. Other than cooking and serving me three meals, she'd spend the rest of the day entertaining herself quietly until I decided to pay attention to her. She came from a middle class family, with a house, new cars, and a maid.

I'm not some kind of casanova. I simply put myself in position to be surrounded by these women.

Again, if you're having these problems, go to different places. Don't go to clubs if you don't want gold digging club rats. Don't go to Makati if you don't want “independent”, Westernized women.

Quote:https://z-1-scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...0607_o.jpg - Girl on the far right, definitely a 7 face and body, but tanned skin, so minus one in the eyes of local men. If this is your type, its going to be a PUSSY HEAVEN here.

This girl has a 7 face and body? She's fat. And I have a feeling most of the “breasts” you see are actually padding from her bra.

I'm not trying to call out anyone's taste, but don't sit here and say “well, your standards get higher after living in East Asia” and then tell me that girl is hot.

This is the FB page where these pics are being pulled from: https://www.facebook.com/ValkyrieatThePa...tos_stream

As Onto pointed out, the girls highlighted a few pages back are some of the least attractive ones there.

People try to accuse me of being overly positive about the Philippines, but I have no ties to this place. I could book a flight and AirBnb online and move to Korea tomorrow if the mood struck me. It's not like I have some kind of Stockholm Syndrome here.

I simply try to provide a counterpoint to the overwhelming amount of negativity and defeatism in every Philippines thread.

Contrary to popular belief, everyone's not here to bang dozens of 5s. I invited Beyond Borders to an event when he was in Davao and we had multiple sets of fairly cute girls throwing themselves at us. One girl in particular was a student at one of the most expensive universities and owns her own store in a local mall. We didn't even bother bringing any home. And I had an unlimited drink ticket that night – I rarely drink usually.

Yes, East Asians are paler, thinner, and overall more attractive on average. I am not disagreeing with that.

I'm simply trying to add some nuance, as I pointed out in my first post in this conversation, that includes the many fair skinned and attractive Filipinas. There are, in fact, enough to keep your bed full and dick wet.

Does anyone actually pick the country they live in based solely on the skin tone of the local women? It seems really doubtful to me.

Hence my insistence that, yes, there are pale women here, these are the statistics, and this is where to find them. That way guys can actually weigh all of the advantages and disadvantages of a particular country and decide which one best fits their personal preferences.

I'm not trying to come off argumentative or like a know-it-all.

Anyone here is more than welcome to go to somewhere I suggested, like an SM Aura, post up for a few hours, and come back here and tell everyone what a stupid liar I am.

But I am confident this will not happen. You will see dozens of fair skinned girls walking around and working. All of them may not be cute and you may not see any real stunners on that particular day, but you would find that if you go to places like this several days a week to work on your laptop, run errands, or eat, you'll encounter more than enough pale, middle class, attractive girls to keep you happy while simply going about your daily routine. That's before we even start talking about online, social circles, night venues, etc.

You may not fuck 100 of them a year, but then again is anyone actually pulling anything close to that in Japan or Korea?

There are plenty of guys who struggle to even get laid at all there from what I've read, let alone with white 7s.

erikak,

There may be some truth in your words. Globalization and a number of other factors have decreased the exotic factor for white guys.

But from pulling 10s "if you are white" to 5s in a matter of a few years? That's a bit extreme and leads to the troll accusations.

I definitely include myself in this (!), but we can sometimes get too analytical about this shit. Last night, I was out in a certain Bangkok bar and saw no shortage of positively stunning girls with white guys. Some may indeed have been P4P deals, but not all of them. Some of the foreigners were sloppy, but many were actually well put together and dressed well. Fuck it. Let's just get out there and see where the shit lands.

Enigma keep in mind that was a 4 am post in the not most clear state of mind. I should probably refrain from posting past midnight. For the second pic as an example that girl is a Caucasian 7, or what I imagine most foreign guys would call a 7. Close look I can see possibility of fat hiding under that black dress. Tipsy 6 (since again -1 for dark skin), sober 5. I personally WNB sober. Fair enough.

Those are also Filipino 7s, yes in East Asia they be 6's but in the Philippines I'd wager they are already in the top 10% in terms of looks.

If you browse that photostream you'll see theres a lack of quality talent. I'm not cherry picking bad pictures. Take an average of five photos.

I also think you also not living in Manila changes your perceptions. I'm sure girls in the provinces are much "sweeter" then those from the capital. This place is hustle central. Best case: Cebu vs Manila Taxi drivers.

I highly doubt anyone can get an Ateneo grad in Manila you describe without putting in serious work in the capital. Especially a Craigslist ad? Is that still a thing? Would be interesting to see how you pulled that off.

It's just crazy to see anyone in 2016 bitching about Thailand, a place that's had a rep for decades, and the Philippines, most likely the most discussed place on this forum, being played out. Uh, ya think?

I mean I have fun in these places regardless, just as I have fun anywhere, but jesus, if anyone doesn't, there are 194 other countries you could go to, the majority of which are completely ignored by most other travelers. Not to mention all the small cities in those two countries that are all but ignored and could for all purposes be considered unexplored for guys like us.

Hell, I was just there near the end of last year and it's easy enough to find places smack dab in the middle of Bangkok, of all cities in the world without a single Western face in them. I remember my very first trip to BKK walking out on to Khao San Road looking to try the local food and thinking, "Yeah, fuck this noise," before walking a mere two blocks away to find local eateries not one other tourist seemed to have the balls to eat at.

Like most of you, I no longer bother with that area at all, but it just goes to show you...

Same goes for the girls - even in a played out country that's on every man's lips there is so much untapped potential. Hell, I've got two buddies visiting here in the PI right now; they're trying to spend as much money as they possibly can, it seems, and I've yet to see them eat at one local joint or pull one girl that wasn't a prostitute.

And while there's certainly some truth to the horny white hoardes changing things, I personally don't find it worth spending any substantial time on the internet complaining. If you want to get out there and live, have adventure after adventure, and squeeze your way into eager tail, there's still plenty of room in the world to do it.

I go to these places simply because I like them - the local oysters are just the icing on the cake. But if I was here just for the tail and found myself frustrated, I'd buy a plane ticket somewhere else and get the hell out and not come back. Why linger or dwell?

My first recommendation to anyone reading this who is really worried about it being overdone and thus "over" is simply ignore any location that has its own major thread on this forum. Pick one of the next countries over that no one talks about and just go experience it for yourself.

Tain't rocket science and it's still damn easy to get off the beaten path in this world and experience something most others never do - if you're up for it.

I for one won't be complaining about the quality of the tail or lack of raw cultural experience to be found anywhere in the world anytime soon. Wherever I go, I'll get into something, and quality of tail is too fucking relative as it is. Just enjoy your life and stop looking for "poosy paradise" or pining about supposed golden eras that were supposedly lost and gone.

The only time is now and every word of complaint you type, or every moment you spend going back and forth on which place to fly to, is one less second to be out there digging your hands into something fresh and exciting.

BB said it better than I could. If you're chasing some White God wave you're doing it wrong.

A cool, confident, interesting, interested, well put together man who knows how to talk to women (and people in general) will do well nearly anywhere in world at any time, and it will always be this way.

A man who has nothing to offer except pale skin and the blue passport will bitch about "white fever ending last year" and continue to chase the ever changing location of white-hungry snatch, instead of going where he wants to be and making things happen.

BB, I think Philippines is a great place to hustle if you are looking for good outsourced work and getting "value for your buck" in terms of 1st world living for pretty much nothing. A significant portion of the population works hard, well enough of a % that the supply will always outweigh demand. Every time I hear an entitled complaint letter go viral in the states I laugh and wonder how many filipinos would jump at such an opportunity. This is only applicable if your doing this under the table since the gov. here loves its high taxes without showing any measurable benefit to the commoner.

A cruel example is how when Terminal 3 was pretty much finished and a mayor got shot right outside the arrivals doorway and turns out there were no CCTV cameras installed yet. The shooters never got caught.

Let's see. I have a fake Facebook Account that's been working well for me. Also, I spent 200.00 on an extra phone last week. Beyond that, I might set up an extra apartment near Mall of Asia later in the year. I'm looking to really pimp it out here! I was very encouraged with 2 / 2 pulls on 2 online dates here 1st 2 weeks of my trip this year. Then My g.f comes over the past 2 days, goes and gets all my groceries, does dishes, runs errands, blows me every morning, does what ever I ask basically. Life is good in the Phil's!

Anyone know where I can get a fake passport and fake D. License in Manila? The closer to Makati, the better. Note: I have my reasons.

Thanks Guys!

(02-22-2016 03:47 AM)dispenser Wrote:  Generally speaking, how "sophisticated" are high end women in the Phils

I am going to be a bastard with my reply. I'm sorry if this one is aimed at you.

The women are as sophisticated as you let them be. Most foreigners are just looking to get their dick wet for a couple weeks so they'll scoop up the easy ones and then complain about their pickings. The variety is quite diverse, and I've delved into very interesting conversations with superficially poor women and up.
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She dressed classy but modestly when we went for breakfast. Words flowed effortlessly like we'd known each other for years, and spectators stared intently at our deep conversations. We had been talking for only a couple weeks, but the interest level was at the point where I thought things would be strictly platonic. I was wrong. She was in her mid 20s, but lived most of her adult life sacrificing her career to support her younger siblings. She was really cute but never had time for dating. Asking about why she didn't prioritize herself felt like speaking a foreign language. But after a few hours the connection was undeniable. We got closer and closer without effort; nothing could have prevented it. Entropy.

She started coming over in the mornings, really whenever she had free time. She gave willingly and endlessly. She would stare into my eyes and they would sparkle. Then she would rub my stomach and stare back again, waiting for me to kiss her. I felt a bit weak, but then she would bring over homecooked meals and do my dishes without asking to let me know she was completely under my whim. Then she would smile at me in the most unspeakably comfortable way. I felt like I was 16 again, when I still believed in love. Before I knew the truth. Before I knew pain. Before I knew human frailty.

She brought over a meal prepared just for me. I caressed her face and thanked her for her efforts, but she still looked down and away. A tear streamed across her face. I asked her what was wrong and she burst in tears. She told me not to hate her, not to be mad at her. I kept my mouth shut. I knew she would call me out for fucking other girls and taking new ones out every night while she worked. But no.

She has a disease, and her time on this planet is running out. She chooses to spend whatever time left she has with me. She brought me a three course meal for breakfast, but wouldn't look me in the eye. "Hey, what's wrong?" I could see the tears building up. 'Please don't hate me. Please don't get mad at me.' Ok, she knows about the other girls, interview time. I hardened myself for it. But I wasn't prepared for what came next. She might die soon. She might never be able to have healthy kids. She apologized for catching deeper feelings for me, one of the only beautiful things she will ever experience in the short and brutish life of hers. One of the only things to celebrate, and she wants to apologize for it. She looked so fragile, so completely vulnerable. Complete surrender and acceptance of her final fate. "No, be happy for that. Be proud of that. That's what makes us human, that's what we live for." I took her in my arms and hugged her closely. She had shock in her eyes. She needed to still feel sexy. I kissed her passionately. She relented.

When she smiles at me, it's like I'm all there is in her world. Our time together is filled with joy. We joke around and pinch each other cheeks and laugh a lot. We dance around the elephant in the room. But it's nice. It never gets old. It can't be taken for granted because it's finite. I thought I was over this shit by now. I look in the mirror sometimes and burst into tears because I know one day she will goto sleep with a smile on her face and won't wake up. She gives everything to everyone without question, how is it fair? How the fuck does she deserve this? I didn't tell her about the other girls. Which one of us is the broken one?

Blue pill maybe. A few hours of warmth with her is better than a 3some with manila party girls though. I will be spending my time where my heart takes me. But in my experience, Filipinas are very entertaining to talk to. Once you avoid the club trash, you'll find women who wear their hearts on their sleeves and experience real situations you may never had imagined before. There's a whole world out there.

Damn, TG.

(02-25-2016 04:19 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 03:47 AM)dispenser Wrote:  Generally speaking, how "sophisticated" are high end women in the Phils

I am going to be a bastard with my reply. I'm sorry if this one is aimed at you.

Damn, bro. Brutal.

Reminded me of this song here:

@ thoughtgypsy

Awesome post man. Nice to see someone finally saying positive things about the panay women. Sure, I had a couple bad experiences with them but, overall I like there beauty, simplicity and famine nature. I'll be returning soon in April and plan to visit my favorite girl in Cebu.

Just booked my first ever trip to the Phils, June 4-23. Staying near Fort. Here we go lads...

(02-25-2016 04:19 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 03:47 AM)dispenser Wrote:  Generally speaking, how "sophisticated" are high end women in the Phils

I am going to be a bastard with my reply. I'm sorry if this one is aimed at you.

The women are as sophisticated as you let them be. Most foreigners are just looking to get their dick wet for a couple weeks so they'll scoop up the easy ones and then complain about their pickings. The variety is quite diverse, and I've delved into very interesting conversations with superficially poor women and up.
_____

She dressed classy but modestly when we went for breakfast. Words flowed effortlessly like we'd known each other for years, and spectators stared intently at our deep conversations. We had been talking for only a couple weeks, but the interest level was at the point where I thought things would be strictly platonic. I was wrong. She was in her mid 20s, but lived most of her adult life sacrificing her career to support her younger siblings. She was really cute but never had time for dating. Asking about why she didn't prioritize herself felt like speaking a foreign language. But after a few hours the connection was undeniable. We got closer and closer without effort; nothing could have prevented it. Entropy.

She started coming over in the mornings, really whenever she had free time. She gave willingly and endlessly. She would stare into my eyes and they would sparkle. Then she would rub my stomach and stare back again, waiting for me to kiss her. I felt a bit weak, but then she would bring over homecooked meals and do my dishes without asking to let me know she was completely under my whim. Then she would smile at me in the most unspeakably comfortable way. I felt like I was 16 again, when I still believed in love. Before I knew the truth. Before I knew pain. Before I knew human frailty.

She brought over a meal prepared just for me. I caressed her face and thanked her for her efforts, but she still looked down and away. A tear streamed across her face. I asked her what was wrong and she burst in tears. She told me not to hate her, not to be mad at her. I kept my mouth shut. I knew she would call me out for fucking other girls and taking new ones out every night while she worked. But no.

She has a disease, and her time on this planet is running out. She chooses to spend whatever time left she has with me. She brought me a three course meal for breakfast, but wouldn't look me in the eye. "Hey, what's wrong?" I could see the tears building up. 'Please don't hate me. Please don't get mad at me.' Ok, she knows about the other girls, interview time. I hardened myself for it. But I wasn't prepared for what came next. She might die soon. She might never be able to have healthy kids. She apologized for catching deeper feelings for me, one of the only beautiful things she will ever experience in the short and brutish life of hers. One of the only things to celebrate, and she wants to apologize for it. She looked so fragile, so completely vulnerable. Complete surrender and acceptance of her final fate. "No, be happy for that. Be proud of that. That's what makes us human, that's what we live for." I took her in my arms and hugged her closely. She had shock in her eyes. She needed to still feel sexy. I kissed her passionately. She relented.

When she smiles at me, it's like I'm all there is in her world. Our time together is filled with joy. We joke around and pinch each other cheeks and laugh a lot. We dance around the elephant in the room. But it's nice. It never gets old. It can't be taken for granted because it's finite. I thought I was over this shit by now. I look in the mirror sometimes and burst into tears because I know one day she will goto sleep with a smile on her face and won't wake up. She gives everything to everyone without question, how is it fair? How the fuck does she deserve this? I didn't tell her about the other girls. Which one of us is the broken one?

Blue pill maybe. A few hours of warmth with her is better than a 3some with manila party girls though. I will be spending my time where my heart takes me. But in my experience, Filipinas are very entertaining to talk to. Once you avoid the club trash, you'll find women who wear their hearts on their sleeves and experience real situations you may never had imagined before. There's a whole world out there.

God damn.

I won't make this political, but I will say there is good reason why we should not invest emotionally just into any female. Your lady is obviously not any woman and I'm sure it's really hard for you bro. Take care.

TG, and they say we're a bunch of criminal 'pro-rape advocates'.

"BP" maybe, yeah, but more of us are truly romantic and idealistic at heart, than completely stone-hearted militant SJWs who are incapable of truly loving another human being. So true man what you said about feeling 16 again, and the way their eyes sparkle.

Back to the topic of actual PI girls, one of the main problems is men going there for an easy time and not even bothering to approach in real life. They meet girls exclusively online and while that can work quality in the day is much better. Men also go there to rack up notches so they miss some of the more beautiful experiences with the higher quality girls.

I know it sounds strange but the poverty in PI does have some positives. The girls are forced to work hard either in cities or in other countries entirely for small wages in order to support family. Many have elderly dependents who would die without the financial support the girls work so hard to provide. They literally sacrifice their best years (late teens to 20s) for their families. The family bonds strengthen as a result and to see a woman perform jobs day in day out for such meager compensation is something worthy of respect. The reason why I do not respect most western women is because there is no reason for me to respect them. Men earn respect through action and character; women the same, if they truly want equality. I find that the struggle for their families leads to greater character, personal development, maturity, yet also preservation of femininity. As any humans they have their flaws, but I have a lot of praise for the type of girl TG has described. They do exist.

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TG, and they say we're a bunch of criminal 'pro-rape advocates'.


"Back to the topic of actual PI girls, one of the main problems is men going there for an easy time and not even bothering to approach in real life. They meet girls exclusively online and while that can work quality in the day is much better. Men also go there to rack up notches so they miss some of the more beautiful experiences with the higher quality girls."

Precisely what I said a couple of weeks ago. You still have to approach unless you have great social skills, or want to do online dating, or go out and get drunk and hit on girls at clubs. Very few guys are approaching sober, day or night, and have a clue how to do it effectively.



"I know it sounds strange but the poverty in PI does have some positives. The girls are forced to work hard either in cities or in other countries entirely for small wages in order to support family. Many have elderly dependents who would die without the financial support the girls work so hard to provide. They literally sacrifice their best years (late teens to 20s) for their families. The family bonds strengthen as a result and to see a woman perform jobs day in day out for such meager compensation is something worthy of respect. The reason why I do not respect most western women is because there is no reason for me to respect them. Men earn respect through action and character; women the same, if they truly want equality. I find that the struggle for their families leads to greater character, personal development, maturity, yet also preservation of femininity. As any humans they have their flaws, but I have a lot of praise for the type of girl TG has described. They do exist."

Yes, the negatives can be a positive. I am really in admiration of dedication, character, and sacrifice that I've seen of some very young and pretty Filipino girls. They put their family ahead of themselves.

And if you find a good one she will also dedicate herself to her guy, I think. Anyone disagree with the last part of this? I found that the girls in Thailand seemed to be a lot less trustworthy and dedicated to their guys than the Filipino girls I've dated. But, small sample size. Just wondering if anyone else cares to offer some real life comparisons, or experiences. I concluded, based on dating around 20thai girls, 10 Filipino girls, and my research, and feeling, is that the Filipino girls can make great l.t.r. material. But no so much for Thailand. Thailand, for me is pump and dump territory. It's a great place to have fun. I guess anything is possible though.