Post: #1626

(02-13-2016 12:21 PM)Beirut Wrote:  I think you got me wrong there CR. I would date 8s and 9s of kiev very happily, what I ment was that day game here seems to have many 7s but few above that . By 7 I ment ones that I wouldn't be that thrilled about dating .

I've seen most stunners in the nightlife

They don't get anywhere within their social circle so that's why day gamers get the left overs.

Post: #1627

(02-13-2016 12:21 PM)Beirut Wrote:  I've seen most stunners in the nightlife

Isn't that pretty much the same everywhere...?

Post: #1628

(02-13-2016 01:55 PM)SardoSon Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 12:21 PM)Beirut Wrote:  I've seen most stunners in the nightlife

Isn't that pretty much the same everywhere...?

Pretty much. People often go up at least 1 point if you see them out in a club on a Friday night vs a Tuesday at noon on the street.

Post: #1629

(02-13-2016 12:29 PM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 12:21 PM)Beirut Wrote:  I think you got me wrong there CR. I would date 8s and 9s of kiev very happily, what I ment was that day game here seems to have many 7s but few above that . By 7 I ment ones that I wouldn't be that thrilled about dating .

I've seen most stunners in the nightlife

They don't get anywhere within their social circle so that's why day gamers get the left overs.

Translation: I can't get what I desire on my own so I rely on others to get it for me.

Who needs a social circle when you can single handedly talk your way into sex with a woman who catches your eye on the street? Doesn't sound like you have experienced this type of solo success, day or night.

Btw, all those leftover 7's you see during the day magically transform into 8's at night with less lighting, tighter dresses, and more makeup. Social circle game is a distant second to the skill set required for approaching and pulling an 8+ during the day (solo).

You should try it sometime.

Post: #1630

Went to decadence yesterday. Great place and great vibe. Lots of quality. Door is pretty strict, you dont see many tourists inside, there were only two at the bar, and pretty much all non-working girls. For a high end venue mixed drinks at 5$ is great as well

Post: #1631

Which club is good for Sunday's?

Post: #1632

Went to golden gate pub tonight solo, first night without my pipeline girl, it ducked and was empty

Was about to follow Rochas recommendations but weekend casanavos girl (who is pretty cool) took us to a couple of local places . Number closed a gymnast with big books and a 6 face then ended up in sorry babushka with a bunch of rooshers . Number closed a married girl 7.5 and thought I was pretty slick, a 5.5 kept sticking around me and I ended up ignoring her a bit for the married girl, who ended up dancing with bodybuilder dude who I'm pretty sure took her home .

I had played it cool cause she said she had a son, but lesson learned

Another 7 opened me and ended up saying I know what all u foreigners come here for, I played it alpha and said ok leave then, and she did and never came back lol

Overall though, my pipeline girl is still miles ahead but sorry babushka was a chill cool place where I got a lot more iois from girls than other places I've been

Post: #1633

(02-14-2016 09:56 PM)Beirut Wrote:  Another 7 opened me and ended up saying I know what all u foreigners come here for

Is it really that obvious? Our cover is blown.

Post: #1634

(02-14-2016 09:56 PM)Beirut Wrote:  Another 7 opened me and ended up saying I know what all u foreigners come here for, I played it alpha and said ok leave then, and she did

How is that "playing it alpha"? You just lost a 7!

Playing alpha would have been, convincing her to stay and subsequently fucking her silly. Not that I have any foolproof idea of how you could have convinced her, though... Saying you are indeed here for business, working with such or such international company, and can prove it if required?

Or well, you could have replied: "and I know what all you local women come to this bar for"?

Post: #1635

I was making fun of myself with that comment

I had spent all day with pipeline girl so wasn't really after closing so wasn't focusing on it. Although I will admit that I wanted the married girl and I thought I had done enough with her since she doesn't English and she had a cockblocking friend (who ended up dragging her towards the bodybuilder dude) but I wasn't interested in the others tbh

Anyway overall sorry babushka if it's like that all nights seems like a good place If someone is into racking up notches with decent girls consistently

Post: #1636

(02-15-2016 03:12 AM)Beirut Wrote:  Anyway overall sorry babushka if it's like that all nights seems like a good place If someone is into racking up notches with decent girls consistently

Yes I agree, Sorry Babushka is an awesome place to go and have fun. The setup especially on the top floor is pretty good.

Don`t want to make an argument or something but the term "racking up notches" is misleading especially for people who have not been to Kiev yet. If you consider how the dating culture in Ukraine works and if you want to get anything better than a 6.

I think Sorry Babushka is a great place to get phone numbers from good, non pro girls which can lead to a notch after one or two follow up dates.

Anyway have fun and try out other clubs during the week. I really like Caribbean Club on Tuesdays and Coyote Ugly on Thursdays.

Post: #1637

(02-15-2016 07:55 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 03:12 AM)Beirut Wrote:  Anyway overall sorry babushka if it's like that all nights seems like a good place If someone is into racking up notches with decent girls consistently

Yes I agree, Sorry Babushka is an awesome place to go and have fun. The setup especially on the top floor is pretty good.

Don`t want to make an argument or something but the term "racking up notches" is misleading especially for people who have not been to Kiev yet. If you consider how the dating culture in Ukraine works and if you want to get anything better than a 6.

I think Sorry Babushka is a great place to get phone numbers from good, non pro girls which can lead to a notch after one or two follow up dates.

Anyway have fun and try out other clubs during the week. I really like Caribbean Club on Tuesdays and Coyote Ugly on Thursdays.

My 2 Kopeeks on Sorry Babushka....

I like the fact that the place is very casual, and you get a mixture of people there.

Downstairs you have the older chicks who are mostly accompanied by men, hence it's not so easy to get action, also most of the women are village types, they wont be allowed into other clubs. I really don't like it downstairs, the smell given off my the guys on the dancefloor can me overwhelming. Also given that it's the not such a high class club you would think that the drinks would be cheaper..

Upstairs is better, you can occasionally find some young hotties, also the bar is right next to the dancefloor which is good.

A lot of Ukrainian guys don't even bother going inside the club, they park their cars in the carpark and hang around outside the entrace - I don't blame them, given that it is a villagey club smoking rates are very high, and most girls will come out at some point.

Many players I know in Kyiv will not generally go there, or perhaps the occasional sniff around weekdays when entrance is cheaper and ratios better.

Post: #1638

Super thanks for the recs .

And yeah it definitely doesn't have the quality that I would hope I came to kiev for, and it's not really my scene as I think I'm too old for it, but it's a decent option when everywhere is dead.

I didn't even notice there was a downstairs and upstairs BTW.

As for ease of bangs, I wasn't really after it or in the mood so wasn't pushing for it but the 5 pretty much told me to take her home, the 7 seemed down for a bit, and I'm pretty sure the married 7 went home with the bulky dude, which is why I made that assumption which is pure speculation .



Today I saw the most beautiful redhead walking down the street. Red hair, big red lips, green eyes. May be the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. I'm never dissing day game here again.

Funny thing happened: was having breakfast with my girl and a bunch of older Ukrainians were giving us dirty looks. They were drinking vodka in the morning. Then my girl says to them something that ends with vodka and they pour me one. And we are suddenly best friends while she's laughing. Apparently it's tradition that even if someone is ur enemy if u drink with them u bury the hatchet lol.

For any arabs/Latino, so far I've never been stopped by police or bothered or anything. I do get dirty looks when I'm with my girl. The first day here two drunk ukrainians started insulting us in Ukrainians calling her bad names for being with a foreigner. But they were berating the staff as well.

Generally, so far most were cool, and the other part won't be happy about it but won't bother you anyway

Post: #1639

(02-15-2016 09:10 AM)Beirut Wrote:  Super thanks for the recs .

And yeah it definitely doesn't have the quality that I would hope I came to kiev for, and it's not really my scene as I think I'm too old for it, but it's a decent option when everywhere is dead.

I didn't even notice there was a downstairs and upstairs BTW.

As for ease of bangs, I wasn't really after it or in the mood so wasn't pushing for it but the 5 pretty much told me to take her home, the 7 seemed down for a bit, and I'm pretty sure the married 7 went home with the bulky dude, which is why I made that assumption which is pure speculation .



Today I saw the most beautiful redhead walking down the street. Red hair, big red lips, green eyes. May be the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. I'm never dissing day game here again.

Funny thing happened: was having breakfast with my girl and a bunch of older Ukrainians were giving us dirty looks. They were drinking vodka in the morning. Then my girl says to them something that ends with vodka and they pour me one. And we are suddenly best friends while she's laughing. Apparently it's tradition that even if someone is ur enemy if u drink with them u bury the hatchet lol.

For any arabs/Latino, so far I've never been stopped by police or bothered or anything. I do get dirty looks when I'm with my girl. The first day here two drunk ukrainians started insulting us in Ukrainians calling her bad names for being with a foreigner. But they were berating the staff as well.

Generally, so far most were cool, and the other part won't be happy about it but won't bother you anyway

Did you see any Blacks, Indians or Orientals ?
Was there any reluctance of some girls due to the race issue ?

I know many Turkish guys now lie and say they are Italian due to their reputation.

Post: #1640

(02-15-2016 03:49 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  I know many Turkish guys now lie and say they are Italian due to their reputation.

Are those accents similar enough to pass? Or do some girls don't have the experience to tell the difference. Just curious. Thanks.

Post: #1641

(02-15-2016 03:56 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 03:49 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  I know many Turkish guys now lie and say they are Italian due to their reputation.

Are those accents similar enough to pass? Or do some girls don't have the experience to tell the difference. Just curious. Thanks.

I was told this by several girls but have not seen it myself. I'm assuming a girl that been abroad and is educated and knows English could spot the difference easy.

Post: #1642

(02-15-2016 04:02 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 03:56 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 03:49 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  I know many Turkish guys now lie and say they are Italian due to their reputation.

Are those accents similar enough to pass? Or do some girls don't have the experience to tell the difference. Just curious. Thanks.

I was told this by several girls but have not seen it myself. I'm assuming a girl that been abroad and is educated and knows English could spot the difference easy.

All girls probably laugh inside and think "da, da, koneshno".
Village girls spot them also, them Turks are everywhere in Ukraine

Post: #1643

With a city like Kiev (or any city in Ukraine)
I think moving there and just relying on standard day/night game
is so tragic...I mean you know there are diamonds there...that's a lot of 8's and 9's
you are leaving on the table by just doing daygame/nightgame

I'd either hook up with a nightclub promoter or get a job teaching english
part time. Sure you can build a casual social circle, however you still need
a regular event that people attend so you consistently meet 8 and 9's easily.

Actually I'd teach english by day and throw my own parties at night...that would maximize results.

Day game/Nightclub game etc are all level 1 activities...they are hit and miss
and take a ton of work to get 8 and 9's...

Level 2 activities are closer to social engineering, where you create your own events
that bring people together and make meeting quality women so much easier.

I'd rather put all my effort into level 2 activities and have women come to me rather than trying
to go out and find them and then separate them into single/not single, interested/not interested etc

Post: #1644

(02-15-2016 07:10 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  With a city like Kiev (or any city in Ukraine)
I think moving there and just relying on standard day/night game
is so tragic...I mean you know there are diamonds there...that's a lot of 8's and 9's
you are leaving on the table by just doing daygame/nightgame

I'd either hook up with a nightclub promoter or get a job teaching english
part time. Sure you can build a casual social circle, however you still need
a regular event that people attend so you consistently meet 8 and 9's easily.

Actually I'd teach english by day and throw my own parties at night...that would maximize results.

Day game/Nightclub game etc are all level 1 activities...they are hit and miss
and take a ton of work to get 8 and 9's...

Level 2 activities are closer to social engineering, where you create your own events
that bring people together and make meeting quality women so much easier.

I'd rather put all my effort into level 2 activities and have women come to me rather than trying
to go out and find them and then separate them into single/not single, interested/not interested etc

Great observation regarding making friends with promoters. Club promoters are a FANTASTIC entrée into desirable social circles. It is their literal JOB to bring hot girls and money to clubs. Like the M&A specialists of the social world. This is true everywhere in the world. The ones that are successful (profession requires tight game) are likely solid if you get to know them. I'm always amused at their red pill/cynical/detached observations of the industry.

Further, agreed with above poster Apollo21. Seems like a bit of a waste to go all the way to the garden of Eden (FSU) and eat the low hanging fruit.

Post: #1645

Honestly to me it seems less effort to meet individual 9s than to magically transform myself into a club promoter which is neither my expertise nor my character at all.

Anyway, yesterday night had a few hours to kill so went to a uni bar. Was sitting alone at tje bar and a 19 year old 9 gets up from a table and sits next to me. I open her and shes smiling and eating it up. Im thinking im the luckiest guy in the world. We somehow get into "ask me questions" and i was gonna ask for her number but ask something else. Then guy from her table comes and starts aggressively saying something to her. She tells me its her boyfriend and she has to go. She goes and its on table with him. Hes repeatedly tryig to kiss her but she pushes hil away and looks at me. After a while though she kinda forgets me and isnt looking my way anymore even when i maintain eye contact. I beta-lly wait a bit for sometbingg to happen, then when hes in bathroom i give her a paper with my number on it and tell her im leaving.

Havent heard from her though. Comments/what would you have done? That girl was beautiful.

Left there and had two hours more to kill before pipeline comes to sleep over so hit a strip club. Got a number and supposed lunch date from a dancer there who knows no English whatsoever lol.

Pipeline girl goes out of town today so i will have the next days on my own

Post: #1646

I didn't really see that many arabs turks or blacks but haven't been out much yet.

Decadence had two indian/Saudi looking guys on the bar and that's pretty much it. Saw only two black people, guy and girl next to the university. Turks one or two. Met two obnoxious Lebanese guys who kept wanting me to go to hooked with them. Which made me realize why we get a bad rep here. Those guys were the equivalent of ghetto or rednecks of Lebanon and they're here thinking they run the town.

Like I said no really big hordes of turks. I'm guessing they wait for better weather plus I haven't hit their known spots I guess like shooters and vodka bar and whatever.

A lot of seemingly local Dagestan and Armenians though

Post: #1647

(02-16-2016 02:19 AM)Beirut Wrote:  Anyway, yesterday night had a few hours to kill so went to a uni bar. Was sitting alone at tje bar and a 19 year old 9 gets up from a table and sits next to me. I open her and shes smiling and eating it up. Im thinking im the luckiest guy in the world. We somehow get into "ask me questions" and i was gonna ask for her number but ask something else. Then guy from her table comes and starts aggressively saying something to her. She tells me its her boyfriend and she has to go. She goes and its on table with him. Hes repeatedly tryig to kiss her but she pushes hil away and looks at me. After a while though she kinda forgets me and isnt looking my way anymore even when i maintain eye contact. I beta-lly wait a bit for sometbingg to happen, then when hes in bathroom i give her a paper with my number on it and tell her im leaving.

Havent heard from her though. Comments/what would you have done? That girl was beautiful.

She wanted to see if you're better than her boyfriend and whether you'd validate her by hitting on her. She also tested her boyfriend's response and kept him in check by showing how desirable she is to other men. However, in her hamster mind she just wanted to have a friendly chat.

EE girls respond to boldness, so giving her your number secretly probably won't lead to anything.

Here's another way:

-introduce yourself to the boyfriend and pull him into the conversation
-talk about the cool local bars and suggest you all meet up some day
-tell them you have to leave, get his number, but also get her number so you can all meet up for shisha some time, then eject
-text her from another venue to see if she'll make an excuse to leave her friends and join you
-if not, text her the next day to go for a walk and game her

Post: #1648

Went to "The Alchemist" and "The Bar" with a few guys from the Forum last night. The Bar I can see having exceptionally high quality on the weekends, as it's a bit of a higher-class locale. The Alchemist isn't great, but again, it was one of the places open on a monday at 3am.

Also, not sure if it's been mentioned here yet - but Banka Bar, and Shtany have been great pre-drink spots. Good crowd, good quality, but there are a lot of social circles here. Good beer/shot choices though.

As for Sorry Babushka, it was ok - quality wasn't the greatest in my opinion, but had a good vibe and a good crowd.

Quality has been very high so far. University started back up on Monday, so the quantity has increased a ton too. I've found so many girls here who hear me speak english and look straight at me and smile. Makes it too easy to naturally approach.

Online game works amazing here as well.

Post: #1649

Quote:Honestly to me it seems less effort to meet individual 9s than to magically transform myself into a club promoter which is neither my expertise nor my character at all.

Yes I doubt a foreigner could ever be a decent club promoter, you will need high quality Russian skills and also social circle, neither of which many foreigners have.

I did see one Spanish guy working as an MC in one place, he was just saying things lik e "Hey girls, let's see you on the dancefloor"

Quote:I didn't really see that many arabs turks or blacks but haven't been out much yet.

I think they are barred from some clubs, they normally go to Shooters, Vodka bar, Forsage etc

Clubbing is dead in Ukraine now compared to how it was pre-crisis. People don't have the available cash anymore. But I enjoy clubs so I will never abandon them completely, I spend more time with daygame and online gaming lately

Post: #1650

That's pretty brilliant how structured your mind is about it ed.

She came up to me two times. Brought her phone with her the second time while her bf wasn't there (I didn't know he was at the time)

And after he intervened he went to bathroom and she kept getting up and her girlfriend would hug her to keep her on table. I think she was genuinely interested.


And although the way u said it sounds like the perfect way to go about it, I think there's zero chance I'm gonna small talk a 19 year old punk (amazing girlfriend or not). I'm getting old lol