I was planning to do some day game Thursday to Saturday in Makati it would be great to meet up with some forum members if anyone wants to have a cup of coffee or do some approaches shoot me a pm.

(02-14-2016 10:40 PM)esalen1 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 10:27 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:45 PM)esalen1 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 08:48 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  Also, can confirm Tinder is the way to go for banging that random Pinay poosy. Some have been pretty interesting to chat with to boot.

Based on What?

You tried other sites?

Are these farang hunters or any girls on tinder who are new to online dates? It seems like the girls on Tinder tend to be a bit more educated and westernized, which might be good for conversation. But if you are saying it's "the way the go", I hope you have something to base than on other than just you went on one site and got laid. That's pretty useless info if you don't have anything to compare it to.

thoughtgypsy is a seasoned Phil veteran. If you spent any considerable amount of time there and read his posts you would know that.

FC, Ok Cupid, DIA, Blossoms, and all the rest have been around for ages so of course he's familiar with them. Tinder is relatively new, though I did use it almost 2 years ago when I was there I ran out of potential matches quickly because there wasn't enough people on it.

Obviously Tinder has changed in both quantity and quality over the past couple years and it's being confirmed by a well-repped member who's been there often in the past and is back on the ground now.

Who are you again?

Ya you have a point there. I thought he just got out there cause he said he had never been to greenbelt park. That's a pretty well known place so I thought anyone that had been in Manila regularly would have checked it out before.

So are you saying since I have a low post count and no rep points I should not challenge more senior posters?

Cheers!

I'm saying look before you leap.

(02-14-2016 07:31 PM)911Turbo Wrote:  Yes I had fun in the Philippines, will I go back? No. In Philippines it is not safe to wonder around alone. Thailand is way safer and much less depressive. If it was a muslim country, it would be no different to Bangladesh when it came to women, and you wouldn't see any gringos around. Just to show you how opening your legs can go a long way and bring plenty of people in, yes I am sorry to say I'm one of them. It's good to judge yourself sometimes. I came for the easy pussy. The attitudes of the women are terrible, all of them want a way out, and they have every right to want to get out of that shit hole. There is no middle class, you're either rich or poor.

I don't think it's that cut and dry. There are certainly areas I wouldn't go, like Tondo, General Santos, or the Zamboanga peninsula. And while I wouldn't wear a suit and a nice watch on a jeepney, I never really felt at risk. There's also some areas that are basically zero risk, such as Greenbelt park, BGC, Ayalla Mall, Boracay, private resorts, parts of Davao. It's not perfect. Being careless can put you at risk, but I think with a few small adjustments, most people will never face real danger here.

I also think there's varying shades of middle class here. I've been meaning to write about this, so now's a good time as any.

Very Poor: People ranging from the homeless to those living off the grid in squatter villages. You probably won't be exposed to them much unless a girl in a family manages to buy some time at a net cafe.

Poor: People who work menial jobs, or who live off a family member who has a decent job or business. Unstable enough that any medical emergency or unexpected payment will destroy years of planning. Some in the family will try to go to college but often end up having to start and stop before they can finish it. Lots of girls here can go on internet dating sites, many of them looking for western boyfriends/sponsors.

Lower middle class: Family works in modest trades so that they can afford the necessities in life. Nurses, teachers, law enforcement, tradesmen, military, families of OFWs, and so on. Family can usually afford to pay for college one sibling at a time. As they graduate, siblings are expected to support subsequent sibling's education due to utang na loob (obligation of reciprocity). Unexpected payments can still cause panic, but can usually be handled well enough. Still takes jeepneys and buses everywhere. Still poor by western standards. Will still ask for help from westerners they date, especially to cover travel expenses. Will often be mooched off of from other family members. Women here are probably the best prospect for LTRs.

Upper middle class: Industrial and mechanical engineers, doctors, lawyers, executive managers, marketers, small business owners. Will have their own cars. Their houses might be multi-story. They'll be able to afford a maid in the house. Salaries will still be low by western standards, but very comfortable due to the cost of living there. Might have extended family living in the US or Europe.

Upper class: Anything beyond what's already been listed.

(02-14-2016 09:45 PM)esalen1 Wrote:  -snipped for post length limit-

I actually wrote that in a half-joking way, to give contrast to the sentimentality of the paragraph above it. Even though it's pretty early to tell, I still think Tinder is the best use of your time here. The response rate for minimal effort is ridiculous.

This is compared to DIA, FC, and Pinalove (though it's been a while since I used that site). Hard to make a direct comparison since Tinder takes a lot of the work out of it. DIA and FC make it so you have to do all the running of searching, contacting, and generally guiding the interaction. There's a lot of transgenders on there, but they're usually in excessively sexy poses or look a bit off. DIA strikes me as having the highest # of easy girls of them all, but Tinder seems much more efficient for any amount of time.

I'm barely putting any effort into any of them right now since I'm just treading water keeping up with all the responses. I pipelined on DIA and FC ahead of time and I'm still pursuing the solid leads from them, so haven't really had the time to put the effort into Tinder and give them a fair comparison. You make a fair point about the types of women and their easiness. I'm not really on a notch mission this time, so my goals might color my experience differently. Still, having no problem getting girls to come back so far. 'Modernized' might even mean they're more open minded sexually. The one who was over last night told me she's cool with me sleeping with other women before I even brought it up.

Guys, it's so fucking obscene you have to laugh. A few months ago I was trawling OKC in the states for entitled, flaky 6s. Now I can't sit down for a minute without my phone blowing up with women beating a path to me. I don't even know what to say. It's a good time to be alive.

I would also add that I don't give money to beggars. You never know how much of that will goto shabu or tanduay. It also encourages more predation of westerners for shameless pandering. From now on I will give boxed up leftovers, though.

(02-14-2016 07:31 PM)911Turbo Wrote:  The level of poverty is sad. Some people call Thailand a 3rd world country, but I have to disagree. Bangkok has one of the best infrastructure in the world when it comes t public transportation. The streets are clean and well taken care of. There is no visible poverty, everyone makes a living one way or the other. No one starves.

But in Philippines you can see malnutritoned children.

Yes I had fun in the Philippines, will I go back? No. In Philippines it is not safe to wonder around alone. Thailand is way safer and much less depressive. If it was a muslim country, it would be no different to Bangladesh when it came to women, and you wouldn't see any gringoes around. Just to show you how opening your legs can go a long way and bring plenty of people in, yes I am sorry to say I'm one of them. It's good to judge yourself sometimes. I came for the easy pussy. The attitudes of the women are terrible, all of them want a way out, and they have every right to want to get out of that shit hole. There is no middle class, you're either rich or poor.

There's no visible poverty in Thailand and no middle class in the Philippines

The Philippines isn't that great. I mean, it's hard to make (real) friends here, we have to deal with horrible traffic and other third world issues, and in return, you get your pick of undesirable girls. Great.

And you guys keep talking about looks as if they actually matter here. It's like the people on this forum just choose not to see all the hot girls with fat/short/noob looking Filipino guys who drive economy cars and are thus "rich". As a white guy, you're behind those guys and Koreans/Chinese in desirability, because you are automatically perceived to be a loser backpacker, no matter what flashy suit you wear.

At Starbucks the other day, saw an 8.5 girl, 18ish, with a 5'6 nerdy Filipino in his mid 30s. At the same time, there was a younger white guy, late 20s, tall, good looking, with a chubby 4. I see this stuff multiple times every single day. The *one* time I've seen a legit hot girl with a white guy, the guy was at least 50 and looking like he had tons of money.

(02-15-2016 02:46 AM)erikak Wrote:  The Philippines isn't that great. I mean, it's hard to make (real) friends here, we have to deal with horrible traffic and other third world issues, and in return, you get your pick of undesirable girls. Great.

And you guys keep talking about looks as if they actually matter here. It's like the people on this forum just choose not to see all the hot girls with fat/short/noob looking Filipino guys who drive economy cars and are thus "rich". As a white guy, you're behind those guys and Koreans/Chinese in desirability, because you are automatically perceived to be a loser backpacker, no matter what flashy suit you wear.

At Starbucks the other day, saw an 8.5 girl, 18ish, with a 5'6 nerdy Filipino in his mid 30s. At the same time, there was a younger white guy, late 20s, tall, good looking, with a chubby 4. I see this stuff multiple times every single day. The *one* time I've seen a legit hot girl with a white guy, the guy was at least 50 and looking like he had tons of money.

One is a sponsor of what essentially a "classier" escort. Big difference.

Problem is that to get an 8 you have to turn down all if the 6s who blow up your phone night and day. A lot of thirsty guys just don't care, and that's fine for them.

It is true that looks do not matter in Philippines, even if you look like Brian Peppers you will get laid, period. However a young tall white guy being with a chubby 4 in Philippines has probably the same odds as winning the lottery. You're probably making it up or you witnessed a miracle.

When it comes to Chinese/Korean being more desirable than whites , I cannot agree on that. Asian guys are a notch above Indians in the SMV ladder who are last. Refer to Rooshs article about racial totem pole of attractiveness.

Out of 100 Asian/Western couples 99% of the time the male is white, that can't be a coincidence right. Even white backpacker girls in Asia seldom hook up with Asian guys, they go caucasian.

Turbo I'm not sure you are speaking from much observation of the sharply dressed wealthy and often good looking (in Asian style) young guys that you will see in the Philippines with the hotter girls. That's the default. It's all about class as perceived by the locals. Takes a while to get a radar for it - but the hot girls seek it and don't go for backpackers and flybynighters.

@ erikak

I think the Philippines is what you make of it. No woman is looking down on you thinking your some loser backbacker. And, just because you see a hot woman with a guy doesn't mean they are a couple. Maybe just friends. I daygamed women in cebu who were walking around with men and evertime I asked who he was they would just say a work friend.

Undesirable woman? What more are you looking for?
Cute, young women with good english ability.

Not trying to be a dick bro but, maybe the problem is you

(02-15-2016 03:49 AM)RawGod Wrote:  Turbo I'm not sure you are speaking from much observation of the sharply dressed wealthy and often good looking (in Asian style) young guys that you will see in the Philippines with the hotter girls. That's the default. It's all about class as perceived by the locals. Takes a while to get a radar for it - but the hot girls seek it and don't go for backpackers and flybynighters.

Take a Syrian refugee. Give him a custom tailored suit. Cut his beard. Let's set the location to Thailand.

Take a Korean, give him the custom tailored suit. Asians don't have beards anyway so he will be clean shaven by default. Set location to Thailand.

Time: 2 weeks.

Lets bet money who will score more notches. I will put all my money on the refugee. Locals wont assume you are a backpacker by default just because your skin is white. It's all about where you hangout and how you carry yourself. Let's assume both will roll to high end clubs like Route 66, I guantee you the refugee will get more attention. Because Middle eastern smv > Asian SMV. That is a fact.

All this talk about Japanese/Koreans being more desirable than whites is bunch of hooey. Rooshs article about SMV of races is the most accurate one on the net. It is 100% on par with my observation.

http://www.rooshv.com/totem-pole-of-race-attractiveness

Great article.

By the way, there are is a reason most caucasian guys in Thailand/Philippines hangout with 5-6s. Most of them are backpackers. But if they competed with their asian counterparts on the same level wardrobe wise, they would do much better. You get what you pay for. You can't expect to fly in with flip flops and bang 8-9s unless your Dan Fuckin Bilzerian. You need social proof. You need a good pad. You need a decent wardrobe. I've rolled to route 66 suited up before, and did amazing. And I'm not even good looking. Heck I am the definiton of ugly.

(02-15-2016 03:57 AM)911Turbo Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 03:49 AM)RawGod Wrote:  Turbo I'm not sure you are speaking from much observation of the sharply dressed wealthy and often good looking (in Asian style) young guys that you will see in the Philippines with the hotter girls. That's the default. It's all about class as perceived by the locals. Takes a while to get a radar for it - but the hot girls seek it and don't go for backpackers and flybynighters.

Take a Syrian refugee. Give him a custom tailored suit. Cut his beard. Let's set the location to Thailand.

Take a Korean, give him the custom tailored suit. Asians don't have beards anyway so he will be clean shaven by default. Set location to Thailand.

Time: 2 weeks.

Lets bet money who will score more notches. I will put all my money on the refugee. Locals wont assume you are a backpacker by default just because your skin is white. It's all about where you hangout and how you carry yourself. Let's assume both will roll to high end clubs like Route 66, I guantee you the refugee will get more attention. Because Middle eastern smv > Asian SMV. That is a fact.

All this talk about Japanese/Koreans being more desirable than whites is bunch of hooey. ROoshs article about SMV of races is the most accurate one on the net. It is 100% on par with my observation.

http://www.rooshv.com/totem-pole-of-race-attractiveness

Great article.

By the way, there are is a reason most caucasian guys in Thailand/Philippines hangout with 5-6s. Most of them are backpackers. But if they competed with their asian counterparts on the same level wardrobe wise, they would do much better. You get what you pay for. You can't expect to fly in with flip flops and bang 8-9s unless your Dan Fuckin Bilzerian. You need social proof. You need a good pad. You need a decent wardrobe. I've rolled to route 66 suited up before, and did amazing. And I'm not even good looking. Heck I am the definiton of ugly.

Disagree. That applies to dating in the USA / Anglosphere only (particularly Australia). Route 66 (which is not even high end, I'm assuming your talking about Bangkok) is the not the barometer of attractiveness. Best way to see whats desirable in a country is simply look at the ads found on billboards and TV in a non PC country.

Asia its actually very reversed. You will almost never find a Caucasian dating a true 7 due to social stigma. A Korean dressed to the 10's would absolutely CRUSH the Syrian

Did it also occur to you must Asian men don't go for white backpackers because they are fugly and fat?

Completely agree with Putin Closes.

Japanese would still be a niche market but Koreans. By god, they are absolutely killing it in many SE Asian countries. The reach of Kpop was unbelievable to me until I actually visited. I'm not Korean but I can pass off because I can speak decent Korean. I wasn't interested in the 5s or 6s and only went for the 8s in Manila. Their eyes would light up by the mention of my supposed Korean ancestry. I would say do you know what is 'popohae'(kissing in Korean) and they would smile and say yes. I would say "later, you're giving me that" and the flirt game continues.

Its a good time to know Korean now and even better if you can blend in. My white friend who currently lives in Seoul was also slaying in Manila because he could speak Korean and the fact he was white was something most of them would cream their panties for.

The WGF is definitely still around but the rise of Kpop has made life alot easier for East Asian guys like me.

Putin.
It is indeed rare to see a Caucasian with a solid 7 in Thailand. But the reasoning behind this is high value girls will not go fucking around with backpackers unless he looks like an actor. If you live in Thailand then it is actually very easy to consistently date 7s and above. And not to mention most white guys in Thailand have 0 game. They are blue pill as it gets, they are so blue pill that there is plenty of them going p4p while they can easily get the same quality of girl on Thaifriendly for free.

Thai girls have a very similar taste to girls in the west, albeit lower standards. Thats the only difference. An average joe who is a 5 on looks scale will get a 7 treatment in Asia.

(02-15-2016 03:57 AM)911Turbo Wrote:  (...)
Lets bet money who will score more notches. I will put all my money on the refugee. Locals wont assume you are a backpacker by default just because your skin is white. It's all about where you hangout and how you carry yourself. Let's assume both will roll to high end clubs like Route 66, I guantee you the refugee will get more attention. Because Middle eastern smv > Asian SMV. That is a fact.
(...)

Seriously? Would this refugee even know how to use a lift, tie a tie, wash consistently?
Odds are he'd immediately begin going through whores, because that's all the "dating" he can understand.
That's if he had money. If not, he'd pawn the suit and buy a ticket to welfare land.

You can't buy manners, tact, or social awareness. People forget that this is a major reason why the totem pole exists.

(02-15-2016 04:37 AM)dispenser Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 03:57 AM)911Turbo Wrote:  (...)
Lets bet money who will score more notches. I will put all my money on the refugee. Locals wont assume you are a backpacker by default just because your skin is white. It's all about where you hangout and how you carry yourself. Let's assume both will roll to high end clubs like Route 66, I guantee you the refugee will get more attention. Because Middle eastern smv > Asian SMV. That is a fact.
(...)

Seriously? Would this refugee even know how to use a lift, tie a tie, wash consistently?
Odds are he'd immediately begin going through whores, because that's all the "dating" he can understand.
That's if he had money. If not, he'd pawn the suit and buy a ticket to welfare land.

You can't buy manners, tact, or social awareness. People forget that this is a major reason why the totem pole exists.

I never said dating. I am talking about notches. One night stands.
Never underestimate caveman game. It does wonders.
You are assuming that girls think rationally.

(02-15-2016 04:40 AM)911Turbo Wrote:  You are assuming that girls think rationally.

You are assuming a third world peasant thinks like an urban westerner.

I'm flying to HCMC in early April but I am going to the Phils either Mid-April or Mid-May for the Asian Poker Tour. Would love to meet up with some RVF guys.

The tournament in April is located in Pasay City though. Am I better off waiting until May to stay in Manila, or will I be okay pulling girls that far out of the city?

I stayed in pasay city in November for 6 days. Check out Residencial resort hotel. Think its near the Marriott. Ask for a room with washer and dryer. Only about 5 dollars more a night. You will have plenty of women near you and, if they do not know where pasay city is just tell them it's near Newport city. Also, ask the staff about a place called butterfly gardens. It's an excellent date location only 2 min. Walk from hotel.

You guys are being trolled badly

^^^
My guess is you're talking about 911Turbo?

I must admit, I may have fallen to some trolling from 911. But just to counter prove his point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1lidQIJCN8

Without make up a 4, with make up maybe a barely passable 5. This guy I would say is at least a 7 in the states. Now compare it to the couple. That girl is easily a 6. On top of that this guy has a bit of fame game, I mean literally lets say he landed the same type of fame in the US this guy could easily start shagging some fame whores in LA. I bet all our Golden Touchdowns were better looking than her.

Then again, he wouldn't stand a chance getting noticed in the US, so the Philippines is a good niche for him and he makes great videos, too blue pill but decent for all the blue pill guys that visit here.

Getting back on Topic, how is everyone doing with the 18-21 yr old range on Tinder. I set the filter down and get very few matches % wise for any decent looking one.

His claim is that Koreans are the least desirable men in Asia, below Africans and Arabs. That right there should be enough to set off the troll senses for anyone who's actually stepped foot in the region.

The February 2016 join date and Syrian refugee example are just icing on the cake.

Anyone know a good firing range besides Ultrasharp in Cebu City :-)
I'm looking to fire some guns tomorrow or the day after that and I'm looking for good value :-)

Thoughtgypsy is right. Another tidbit is that if u stay in bgc , you will rarely run into anybody who isn't rich, working there or sponsor hunting. The prices insure that.

If you dress and act right, it's not hard for filipinos to invite you along for their escapades.

The #1 thing rich Filipinos look for w new friends is how much are u going to scam them. It's a red flag for being lower class. Be generous up front and you will received w open arms.

Also carry some amount of $ that hints that you aren't a backpacker if you want to roll high end.