Post: #1

Today I approached a girl at my gym who has been eye-fucking me for 5 months. She asked me a stupid question, "are you using this bosu" and I said no. 2 minutes later I went and used the elderly opener on her. She then asked me a question. I then asked her a question. Silence. Then I asked her another question she answered that was it she got back on her mat and got back to work. I was expecting a little more curiosity from her...she seemed excited and smiled when I approached her. She is young. Like 17/18, I am 23. Other people were around us. All were staring at the conversation because people don't approach in the gym (at least I have never seen it). This whole conversation took place in Portuguese. I am not sure what went wrong and there probably isn't even a right answer I am guessing...maybe I seemed excited to talk to her, I sound retarded when I speak Portuguese. Any ideas.?? I realize this is very newb..... U think she just wanted validation? Other thing I'm thinking is that maybe I should have been more direct and gone for a number right away. however in past experience and what I have been told here, going for the number right away shows that you are nervous about your game...in other words i am supposed to game the girl first and then ask for the number....am i too old?

Post: #2

You really can't expect much from an 18 y/o. Your ramble wasn't strong enough.

Post: #3

So what would you have done differently in terms of more rambling? Been more direct? From past openers when I am more direct the girl doesn't want to give the number because she doesn't "know me" yet, "has not absorbed my game." I don't really know how I could have played it differently to be honest besides maybe smirking at my Portuguese which could have been a turnoff.. Just frustrating because this was a good prospect I thought. I will see her a hundred more times though.

Post: #4

Chat up a different girl there and make sure she sees it.

Post: #5

(11-21-2011 09:13 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  Chat up a different girl there and make sure she sees it.

I will.

I think the next time I am going to see her it will just be like why the hell did you not give me your number when you have been eye fucking me for 5 months. Obviously not like that but close...

Post: #6

It's possible that you didn't do anything "wrong" at all. There is no guy, nowhere, nohow, not even Brad Pitt, who will close 100% of the time.
One girl that doesn't respond favorably doesn't mean anything. Even 5 doesn't mean anything. But if you're approaching 20 or 30 women and none of them respond well, that's different.

Don't think in terms of what you did wrong. Rather, think in terms of what you could improve next time.

Post: #7

(11-21-2011 09:16 PM)Carne Wrote:  I think the next time I am going to see her it will just be like why the hell did you not give me your number when you have been eye fucking me for 5 months. Obviously not like that but close...

No, no, no. Don't ask her why she didn't give you her number!

People screw up. For all you know, she wanted to give it to you. Maybe she was nervous and got confused. You know when you approach a girl and don't know what to say anymore? Maybe she's shy. Maybe there are other things that caused her to not give you her number. It's possible that she herself doesn't have any idea why or that she didn't even think about it at the time.

But psychologically, when you ask someone why they did/didn't do something, you're forcing them to think about it and come up with reasons to justify their behavior. We don't always know why we do the things we do, but we think we do because when forced to think about them, we come up with all sorts of good reasons.

If you ask her why when she doesn't really know why, she'll have to search inside her for reasons. What that happens, she now has valid reasons for NOT giving you her number floating around inside her head and getting it from her in the future will be much harder or impossible since she has all these good reasons not to hook up with you now.

Don't ask that question. It's irrelevant and you don't need an answer. Just keep being friendly and gaming her when you see her. At worst, you make a hot female friend that others see you with at the gym which will act as social proof.

Post: #8

Just drop it with this broad for like 2-3 weeks and come back in with some flash, of course assuming she's still eye-fucking you.

Like Roosh said, tighten up your ramble. Routines and questions (provide they aren't bland 'yes/no' questions) are all fine and good, but you need to have other stuff to say when you aren't saying them. This is where you need to be fast on your feet.

For example, this time of year is a wonderful time, in which we celebrate the spirit of our vacuous materialism Birth of Jesus Christ. Get observational.

Question.
She Answers.
'I like that scarf, it's a nice color. Christmas is coming and I know someone that loves stuff like that, may I ask where you bought it?'
She answers.
Ramble.

How do you improve your ramble? Talk to more people about random shit.

And definitely don't ever hustle a broad about why she gave you the brush off, that comes off insecure and will get you nowhere.

Post: #9

(11-21-2011 07:14 PM)Carne Wrote:  Today I approached a girl at my gym who has been eye-fucking me for 5 months. She asked me a stupid question, "are you using this bosu" and I said no. 2 minutes later I went and used the elderly opener on her. She then asked me a question. I then asked her a question. Silence. Then I asked her another question she answered that was it she got back on her mat and got back to work. I was expecting a little more curiosity from her...she seemed excited and smiled when I approached her. She is young.

first of all it's just one random interaction so don't read too much into it. it was what it was.

however be aware that you were not actually into her (at least from what you wrote), you just tried to run some game on her and see how it would work. and when it got a bit hard you thought 'i guess it didn't work' and gave up. that's the biggest flaw about routine based game, playing cool instead of being real.

believe me, if you really wanted to meet her, even just out of curiosity then you would keep talking to her even if she was backing off. you wouldn't take her shit like that, you would respond like "hey! wait.. where're you going? fight for me girl i'm worth it.."

check out this thread and look at jack's very casual, almost too friendly style. but it's perfectly ok cause he carres the interaction with his personality not with tactics
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Post: #10

Wow! WTF, this is unrelated but today I went back to the gym and a few of the staff were giving me cold looks and one of them when I went to use a weight came up to me and said to go back to my own country. I guess I have not missed much by not making friends with any Brazilian guys. The ones I have made friends with haven't helped me with jack with the women only with recharging my cell phone. I just ignored him. This makes me want to push even harder though.

Post: #11

(11-23-2011 05:27 PM)Carne Wrote:  Wow! WTF, this is unrelated but today I went back to the gym and a few of the staff were giving me cold looks and one of them when I went to use a weight came up to me and said to go back to my own country. I guess I have not missed much by not making friends with any Brazilian guys. The ones I have made friends with haven't helped me with jack with the women only with recharging my cell phone. I just ignored him. This makes me want to push even harder though.

wow really? tell them to fuck off. you can be there if you want to be. And tell them they're just jealous that you have the balls to talk to a girl and they don't. Don't care what other people say. just roll with it. good luck.