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Feminists are not angry lesbians who hate men. Feminists do not believe women are better than men, or that women deserve special privileges. They do not believe women are victims.

In order to be considered a feminist, you only need to be on board with one idea: All humans, male and female, should have equal political, economic and social rights.

Although more and more people are beginning to understand the true definition of feminism and openly identifying with it, there has always been a negative stigma attached to it. Part of this problem is the way our media sensationalizes things, trying to pass the most radical and extreme versions as the standard which, in this case, depicts a feminist as a man-hater who hates lipstick, crinkles her nose at stay-at-home moms, and unapologetically supports abortions on demand.

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It's these false assumptions that cause anti-feminist campaigns, such as the recent "Women Against Feminism," which consists of people posting photos of themselves with statements such as: "I don't need feminism because I don't choose to ignore the fact that men have issues too" and "I don't need feminism because I already have equal rights." Reading through the majority of these posts quickly brings forth a glaringly obvious problem: how misguided too many people still are about what being a feminist actually means.

As Lena Dunham pointed out, "Feminism isn't a dirty word. It's not like we're a deranged group who think women should take over the planet, raise our young on our own and eliminate men from the picture."

Being a feminist has nothing to do with how you look, what you wear, who you date, or how often you have sex. Being a feminist doesn't mean you think women deserve special rights; it means you know we deserve equal ones.

While a primary purpose of feminism is to empower women, it does not mean feminists view all women as weak and oppressed. Feminists are not aiming to make women stronger; they already know they're strong. They just want society to see that too.

Empowering women does not mean belittling or punishing men. Men, too, suffer from gender role assumptions that place expectations upon them to live and act a certain way. Feminists believe each person should be viewed based on their individual strengths and capabilities as a human being, not the strengths and capabilities assumed of their gender. They believe every person should be treated equally -- not because of gender, but in spite of it.

Why We Still Need Feminism

There are some people who believe that feminism is a thing of the past -- that we don't need it anymore because the patriarchal system no longer exists. After all, we can vote, right? That's true. In fact, in all demographics, females vote more than men do. Yet, women still hold less than 20 percent of seats in Congress, even though they make up more than half the population. Some believe the patriarchal system doesn't exist because we have equal employment opportunities. But if this were really the case would there still be a 23 percent pay gap?

It is great so many women today feel like they have equal opportunities as men. If it wasn't for past feminist movements, who knows where we would be today. But we still need feminism, and will continue to need it, until every other woman in the world feels this way as well.

We still need feminism because when people get married it is assumed the woman will take the man's last name. Because when women are assaulted, they are often the ones who feel ashamed.

We still need feminism because we teach women how to prevent rape, instead of teaching people to not view women as objects. Because women are told that walking alone at night makes them "an easy target." Because, sometimes, a movie's rating (PG-13 versus R) depends on how much a female appears to be enjoying sex in a certain scene.

We still need feminism because our bodies are still being legislated, because McDonald's still asks us if we want a girl or boy toy, because we use terms like "bitch" and pussy" to imply weakness.

We need feminism because FGM (Female Genital Mutilation), the act of cutting off and restitching female genitals to prevent pleasurable sex -- and can happen to girls as young as 5 months old -- is still practiced in 29 countries. Because more than 120 countries don't have laws against marital rape, and still allow child brides -- some as young as 6 years old.

We need feminism because infanticides, the act of killing children within a year of birth, can be attributed to millions of fewer females than males in Middle Eastern countries, and because in Afghanistan women going to college can be considered justifiable grounds for disfiguring.

Being a feminist does not mean you think women can't speak for themselves, it means you realize that, even though some may be lucky enough to, there's still many who can't.

It is not a gender issue -- it is a humanity issue.

It isn't about telling women what to do, it is giving them the ability and freedom to be able to choose to do whatever they want to do -- whether that be a stay at home mom, electrical engineer, or business CEO. The purpose is to create a society of equal say, to provide people with the freedom of choice, rather than limited choices of assumption.

Feminists don't believe women should look or behave a certain way, it means they want women have to have the freedom to look and behave however they want -- unapologetically. It is not about telling women what they need.

While reading through Women Against Feminism posts that say things such as, "I don't need it because I already feel equal" and "I don't want feminism because I don't need special treatment, and don't support sleeping around," I can't help but think it isn't about our personal wants and needs, though they are all relevant, but rather what we -- as a society -- needs.

If you are a feminist, you believe women should be treated the same as men, not because we're better, but because we're human.

As Joseph Gordon-Levitt so eloquently worded it, "I'm a believer that if everyone has a fair chance to be what they want to be and do what they want to do, it's better for everyone. It benefits society as a whole."

The idea that there are still people, let alone women, proudly declaring they don't need feminism is alarming and frightening -- at best.

We need feminism because people are still blindly agreeing that women don't need to be paid for the same work as men, that they are okay with the indifference and injustices so ingrained in society that they have accepted it as a way of life. That they are not only looking the other way to these issues, but they are also entirely and genuinely convinced they are doing the world a favor by hushing feminist attempts.

Some people don't feel the need to voice their thoughts on the matter at all, and that's okay. But there is a big difference between being indifferent and being ignorant. And that difference is speaking out about an issue when your opinion is based on misguided information and false assumptions.

Why do we need feminism? For the same reason screenwriter John Whedon gave when asked why he writes such strong female characters, "Because you're still asking me that question."

Post: #2

See? Sleeper account. Same old tired nonsense not backed up in the real world. Watch what they do, not what they say.

Delete!

Post: #3

All humans, male and female, should have equal political, economic and social rights.

That is NOT feminism. That is Egalitarianism.
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism ) " Egalitarianism (from French égal, meaning "equal")—or, rarely, equalitarianism[1][2] or equalism[3]—is a trend of thought that favors equality for all people.[4] Egalitarian doctrines maintain that all humans are equal in fundamental worth or social status,"

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"It is not a gender issue -- it is a humanity issue"

So we need FEMinism!

And you feminists refuse to see the irony...

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If feminists were really concerned with equality and freedom they(you) wouldn't be using authoritarian cultural revolution tactics to quash debate.


There I blew up your entire propaganda statement with one sentence.

Post: #6

Put your money where your mouth is and take your feminist preaching to where it's needed: The Middle East.

We won't hold our breath.

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Post: #8

(02-05-2016 12:41 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Put your money where your mouth is and take your feminist preaching to where it's needed: The Middle East.

We won't hold our breath.

Needs to be reposted because it's so accurate.

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Quote:All humans, male and female, should have equal political, economic and social rights.

Wonder how quickly those "economic rights" would have translated to freebies? Free education in worthless degrees, free healthcare, free housing, free food, etc. All paid for by people forced at gunpoint.

That's the evolution from "equal rights" to protected class.

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Feminism and Gender Equality are two different things, they ARE NOT THE SAME.

Evan points that out clearly.

Lena Dunham is a pedophile - they say she's not - but she was joking about molesting her little sister ?

Hmmmmm.....sound familiar ? You know like how roosh made satirical article about rape ? Hypocritical much ?


Once you feminists put your money where your mouth is and fight the good fight in lands where really bad shit is happening to women is going on, then I'll actually value your opinion.

Last I checked it was mostly men killing and dying against evil misogynistic monsters overseas, fighting against pedophilia scum, young forcibly arrange marriages, dancing boys, attempting to setup schools for girls, the list goes on.

We open this nations military roles to women, one of the first ones in a newly opened position....is a deserter.

Let me know when you actually fight against REAL misogynists who lop of clitorosis, have child brides, and rape little boys.

Not when you scream your 1st world problems from behind your white picket fence and suburban homes.

It amazes me that you women think you're being oppressed here, yet you have power in the courts, with children, divorce, monetary support. Everyone will believe a woman's word over a mans.

A REAL FEMINIST and some I actually admire, Hirsi Ali said, “Feminists in this country and in the West fought against that and won the battle,” she added.

"Feminism has taken that victory and squandered it."

“What we are now doing with the victory, and I agree with you if you condemn that and I condemn whole-heartedly the trivial bullshit it is to go after a man who makes a scientific breakthrough and all that we as women — organized women — do is to fret about his shirt?” Hirsi Ali said, referring to the controversy generated by the shirt featuring cartoons of scantily-clad women worn by the scientist who helped land a robot on a comet. “We must reclaim and retake feminism from our fellow idiotic women.”

Let that sink in.

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Men and women aren't the same. Ever.

Post your feminist crap in another place. This forum is for MEN, not for male feminists.

Post: #12

I was going to write up this long post using quotes from her post to contradict the rest of her post. Show how each claim in it contradicts the others. Why bother though. anyone that will understand it already noticed, and it's not like the feminist lukers are going to suddenly revaluate their dogma just because it donsen't make sense.

Feminism: Men bad, women weak.

Post: #13

When these "educated" feminists vomit all over their keyboard with their copy pastas.

Post: #14

Seriously, get out of here.

The definition is irrelevant when feminist organizations actively campaign to keep the family courts as they are and block any possible means for the plight of men to improve in society.

They don't care about men - they hate us.

"Why do we need feminism? For the same reason screenwriter John Whedon gave when asked why he writes such strong female characters, "Because you're still asking me that question."

This is illogical.

Why do we need food? Roads? Hospitals? Because you are still asking me that question.

Gtfo.

Post: #15

I have read every single word of that OP with enthusiasm and took notes. This is a placeholder post, I'm still reviewing my foot notes before I reply

Post: #16

Quoting her:
"We need feminism because FGM (Female Genital Mutilation), the act of cutting off and restitching female genitals is still practiced in 29 countries. Because more than 120 countries don't have laws against marital rape, and still allow child brides -- some as young as 6 years old.
We need feminism because infanticides, the act of killing children within a year of birth, can be attributed to millions of fewer females than males in Middle Eastern countries, and because in Afghanistan women going to college can be considered justifiable grounds for disfiguring."

Then why are you, you feminists, encouraging millions of migrants from those "barbaric" countries to illegally come to our Western world, importing those very practices that you denounce to our lands?

I mean, the silence of feminists regarding 4th-world migrants' crimes (for example the Cologne rapes), is both scandalous and deafening. The truth is, feminists don't really care about women, they are just undercover extreme leftists (who unsurprisingly hate straight native men).

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Awww... why was she banned?

Post: #18

You know, I want to step away from the whole feminism thing for a second because if I get started on all the inconsistencies of what the modern feminists spout and what they put into action, I'll bang out a novel longer than the Bible.

What I want to know is; If a person has an opinion, even if it goes against popular belief, are they not entitled to their opinion? I thought that was the reason for groups like the KKK and registered sex offenders not getting vigilante justiced by mobs. I always wondered how namba (?) the boy loving group of men,never got shut down or decimated by raging citizens.

Now I'm not comparing RVF to any of those groups but my point is, isn't everyone entitled to think what they want and enjoy the company of like-minded people. If society let those ass hats function, why are these water buffaloes messing with us? Obviously, if said groups were conspiring to commit crimes or cause harm then the law should get involved, however that wouldn't apply here because Roosh does NOT advocate rape. So my question is; why are the feminists, insisting on trying to force their shit down our throats? I don't know about you guys but I don't have the time nor inclination to go to feminist sites and spout red-pill ideology to the beasties.

I've been out of the loop these past few years and now I'm starting to wonder if society has changed that much. Not too long ago different groups with different philosophies stuck to their side of the Internet and talked shit about each other passively. There wasn't this bullshit of "we're going to bust into your house, and shit all over everything". Is this a thing now?

In my younger days, I'd always be up for a good fight but honestly these days I think more along the lines of "Why are you talking to me?" And that's how I feel about this whole nonsense.

Tl;dr I know everyone's entitled to their opinion but when did it become socially acceptable to go over to someone's house and try to force your shit on them?

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Learn how to copy-paste right
god damn!

Why We Still Need Feminism

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The tragic thing about classical feminists from the 60s and 70s, who were part of the (legitimate) anti-corporate, pro-worker movement, is that they overestimated women.

I recommend the documentary "Pink Ribbons Incorporated" for an example of whom I'm talking about.

The women they interview - 50 year old feminists - are amongst the top 1% of women, doctors and scientists for the most part, with a couple of legal scholars. They truly believed that women could handle something like the franchise responsibly, and they're utterly dismayed to see what the breast cancer movement has become; corporate feel-good parties, where young women dance around like cheerleaders - even though they've probably been trained to think that cheerleading is sexist.

That's the great lie of feminism: that there is a substantial number of women who are interested in acting like adults. These poor misguided ladies thought that the idiocy of the average 1960s female was due to a lack of encouragement, or educational opportunities, or women's magazines, or whatever - when the reality is that most women are happy being childish and silly.

Women have always had the capacity to be equal to men; barring aberrations like the middle east, there have been few societies that have forcibly oppressed them. The reality is that very few of them are interested in the prospect. It sounds too much like work.

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Piggybacking off of Aurini, I knew my red pill inner transformation was complete when I could accept the truth about women's happy, childish nature without wishing them harm. I replaced a vengeful spirit from my blue pill days with a magnanimous spirit that enjoys his work and wants to find a happy, appreciative woman to share it with.

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Dangerous situations show the innate gendered differences in a second. As the saying goes: "There are no feminists on a sinking ship". However, you don't even need real danger to see people's reactions. Just watch a few videos of those scare pranks: The men react by getting ready to fight or run. Woman react by shreaking and hidding behind the nearest man.

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EDIT:
It seem that everyone here got their head messed up by what OP wrote.

Some childish bitch come on a men's forum to lecture us about feminism, what a great move...

Made me remember EL CHAPO trying to educate blacks in here.

OP trying to make men accept feminism is the same as RP noob trying to educate his BP friends.

But who am I to give lesson.

Post: #24

OP,

You are an evil, subversive, immoral, sociopath leftist. The only purpose of your words is to cajole submission. We will not submit.

Your idea of "equality" is the same as a tyrants idea of "peace" -- aimed for, so long as it benefits you.
Agitate on unequal incomes, silence talk of unequal performance.
Agitate on unequal parliamentary representation, silence talk on unequal sexual power.
Agitate on unequal representation in science, silence talk on unequal representation in prison.
Agitate on unequal representation in boardrooms, silence talk on unequal representation in suicides.
Agitate on unequal domestic violence, silence talk on unequal divorce initiation, initiation reason, and outcomes.
Agitate on female rape, silence talk on female false rape accusations.
Agitate on fat shaming, silence talk on height-based rejection.

Feminism is not about female equality, it is about female supremacy, disguised in your skillful weasel words. Your side is not interested in true and false, or right and wrong. All you understand is master and slave. We must submit, or be attacked. For this reason, your side will never be stopped with words.

May mine be the last generation of western men that live as serfs under the boot of your "equality".

Post: #25

I need feminism like I need a hole in my head.

Fuck outta here.