Post: #26

Don't forget about the time disney forced it's ex-employees to train their replacements to get their severance bonus:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/las...ments.html

Election time cannot get here soon enough...

Post: #27

The answer is simple, no need for end of gun forcing, just make it not cost effective.
Mandate that H1B hires must be paid the same salary as the job they are being hired for/replacing. If the company can't find who they need from the local pool of talent, and if they truly need some foreigner with super special talent, then they will gladly eat the cost of getting them over here, training them, and paying for the visa (increase the cost for it as well).
Just make it so H1B is more expensive to hire than someone local.

Post: #28

The market will punish companies that hire from India and China. Even if they get these people at cut rate salaries, the fact of the matter is that they're idiots. I'm doing a graduate CS degree right now and I love the fact that my classes are 70% Indians, because they're so damn dumb they push the curve down and make it easy for me to get As.

I'm sure these guys will end up at large tech companies, and they'll do what I've seen these guys do everytime in the office. They bullshit and produce shitty code that someone else has to go back and fix. Is it really cheap to pay a guy 60k when his work output has to be fixed by another guy making 120k?

I just got back from a class today where we had a quiz graded and returned. The content was the introductory stuff on neural nets, and the questions on the quiz essentially amounted to "figure out the equation for this straight line". Yet while I was flipping through the stack of graded quizzes, I couldn't help but notice the sheer number of names like "Romsoon Punjabirichandrashekan" with scores less than 100% on such a retardedly easy test.

Post: #29

No need to hold anybody at gunpoint.

I mentioned this in another thread. All that needs to be done is to set the minimum salary to qualify for H1B visas very high, say at $200k/year. I believe Donald Trump mentioned a similar idea, though he didn't say $200K (correct me if I'm wrong).

The same criteria can be applied to H1Bs who are already here. Making less than $200K? You have a couple of years to reach that level or gtfo.

In addition, tax companies who game the system by employing people offshore and selling goods and services in the US. You are a US company, have 1% of sales and and 50% of employees in India? Pay the US 200% payroll tax on the Indians' salaries or lose the right to trade in the US.

All of this can be done pretty easily, but it won't be done.

Post: #30

A high work visa salary threshold can be done easily (it's done in Singapore), but not in a very democratic country. Every foreign worker who displaces a local voting worker helps create a new welfare-dependent left voter.

On the protectionism stuff, it's just nonsense. It's 'plugging leaking holes with fingers' stuff. So you bar overseas foreign employees? They change to foreign contractor outsourcing. You bar that? They purchase the resulting products from foreign subsidiaries or partners. You bar that? They just say fuck you and leave the country, selling the product or service from overseas, China-style. You bar that? Now everyone goes on shopping holidays and mails stuff back wrapped in newspaper to escape the fucking tyranny of government regulator cock-heads. You bar that? Now you're a prison. Now you're exactly the same as the GDR.

The solution to business and jobs leaving the country isn't to fuck local business even worse, it's very simple:
- Eradicate all regulation. The only 'regulation' is tort and contract law.
- Eradicate the public school system that's producing useless people with no marketable skills. If you want to keep welfare, give out education vouchers instead.
- Eradicate any government funding or support for tertiary education. All the liberal arts bunch will slow to a drizzle, driving down overall prices, including useful degrees. All the professors who aren't being productive and just spreading subversion will be thrown out on the streets.
- Set up education competitions. Schools which educate students from 0 to "useful skill X" in the fastest time win.

Post: #31

(01-25-2016 04:04 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  The answer is simple, no need for end of gun forcing, just make it not cost effective.
Mandate that H1B hires must be paid the same salary as the job they are being hired for/replacing. If the company can't find who they need from the local pool of talent, and if they truly need some foreigner with super special talent, then they will gladly eat the cost of getting them over here, training them, and paying for the visa (increase the cost for it as well).
Just make it so H1B is more expensive to hire than someone local.

Wayyyy too easy to game.

There is a simpler solution:

1. just shut down the program.

It's that simple. Sure it will be painful for the tech industry to wrap their heads around the shocking concept of (gasp) hiring and training Americans. But hey, get over it assholes.

Post: #32

(01-25-2016 10:45 AM)expectation Wrote:  I have worked at IBM and Deloitte (Consulting) and I've been on and heard about projects where we had subcontractors that specialized in bringing in H1-B talent. Working with them - they performed mostly - technical engineering or IT type of work. My observation - there were never any instances that I felt convinced that their type of work was something that any College Grads could not handle or be trained for on the job. NONE WHATSOEVER.

Worst of all, these guys were a nightmare to manage for team leads as they generally have a personality of a IRT.

I've worked with a bunch them over the years. I'd say 20% of them impressed me/had an amazing work ethic. Majority can be easily replaced by college grads without question.

At the end of the day they still are not native English speakers and have a major communication disadvantage. It's kind of like how nobody likes dealing with customer service located in India. Everyone knows its complete fucking shit and hates dealing with them because you can never get anything done.

Post: #33

@MrLemon...yeah, right. You think if they shut down the H1B program, tech companies are going to wrap their heads around hiring Americans?

They'll just set up shop in another country (some smaller startups do this by having their foreign employees work on Canada). Hope Americans are ready to wrap their head around the shocking concept (gasp) of their companies moving their operations abroad.

The idea of having a very high minimum salary for H1B makes a lot of sense. So does taxing the shit out of any company with a large number of H1B visas/employees abroad as Brodiaga mentioned.

Post: #34

Mr. Lemon's overarching argument is 100% spot on. Not sure on the method of enforcing compliance.

I talk to theses guys all day, IT staffing for 5 years. Going to do a write up tonight and flesh out as much as possible. Dis gonna be fun.

Post: #35

You guys are looking at this from an oxymoronic point of view.

Indians are taking American jobs and the Indian tech industry is a fraud in reality? What would you think if Eastern European, South American, South East Asian nations all denied entry to all young, single American men, claiming that their men couldn't get laid due to the influx of white Americans who are perceived as ideal providers by local women but in reality the respectful charming American men was all a fraud?

Don't make it sound like Indians are storming the U.S. in hordes and cornering honest hard working Americans in parking lots to "take" their jobs. Tech giants such as Facebook, Google, Intel (note how I left out Infosys which is indeed a fraud) are not stupid. If there were Americans with the same skills were available to hire, do you think they would bother with the H1b workers?

You getting laid in the East and them getting hired in the West is all part of free market capitalism that I'm all for, since it gave us the great things that we have today.

The question "Why are these Indians getting paid $120k a year when Americans aren't?" makes absolutely no sense on a red pill forum. Don't apply the rapefugee thread mentality to the high end tech industry in which the 6 figures that are spoken are based on busted balls and hard earned SKILL not race, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

I have never seen, and I doubt there has ever been, an instance where an American was replaced by an Indian in the Valley based solely on pay expectation. In fact Facebook, no wait Mark Zuckerberg himself could give every single Facebook employee a $50k raise out of his own net worth and it wouldn't even make a dent in the $35 billion he's sitting on. This is not like the mass immigration that's currently going on in Europe either, so if you're an American that got replaced by an Indian in the Valley it's not because he's given a free pass on his race, ethnicity, beliefs or other bullshit affirmative action, it's because you weren't good enough and didn't deserve the job in the first place. Otherwise I'm sure as shit that I wouldn't be paid almost 3 times the Swedish median income if more Swedes worked hard to improve themselves instead of wasting their 20's pursuing useless liberal arts degrees and sucking each other's cocks.

In fact I wish all ethnic/asylum immigration was replaced with skilled immigration so there would be less talkers and more doers around me.

Whatever you feel about women discussing the so called "pay gap" on feminist forums, this thread is the exact same shit.

Post: #36

(01-25-2016 04:04 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  The answer is simple, no need for end of gun forcing, just make it not cost effective.
Mandate that H1B hires must be paid the same salary as the job they are being hired for/replacing. If the company can't find who they need from the local pool of talent, and if they truly need some foreigner with super special talent, then they will gladly eat the cost of getting them over here, training them, and paying for the visa (increase the cost for it as well).
Just make it so H1B is more expensive to hire than someone local.

That's actually not a bad idea, and it's similar to Prevailing Wage laws we already use internally.

And realistically, the only reason it's being done wholesale nowadays is that they've found a way to scam the system. Stopping the scam is normal purpose of gov't.

Post: #37

(01-25-2016 09:11 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  A high work visa salary threshold can be done easily (it's done in Singapore), but not in a very democratic country. Every foreign worker who displaces a local voting worker helps create a new welfare-dependent left voter.

On the protectionism stuff, it's just nonsense. It's 'plugging leaking holes with fingers' stuff. So you bar overseas foreign employees? They change to foreign contractor outsourcing. You bar that? They purchase the resulting products from foreign subsidiaries or partners. You bar that? They just say fuck you and leave the country, selling the product or service from overseas, China-style. You bar that? Now everyone goes on shopping holidays and mails stuff back wrapped in newspaper to escape the fucking tyranny of government regulator cock-heads. You bar that? Now you're a prison. Now you're exactly the same as the GDR.

The solution to business and jobs leaving the country isn't to fuck local business even worse, it's very simple:
- Eradicate all regulation. The only 'regulation' is tort and contract law.
- Eradicate the public school system that's producing useless people with no marketable skills. If you want to keep welfare, give out education vouchers instead.
- Eradicate any government funding or support for tertiary education. All the liberal arts bunch will slow to a drizzle, driving down overall prices, including useful degrees. All the professors who aren't being productive and just spreading subversion will be thrown out on the streets.
- Set up education competitions. Schools which educate students from 0 to "useful skill X" in the fastest time win.

- Implement favorable tax laws for companies that export high tech, medical science, weapons or heavy industry.
- Give generous grants and zero interest loans for such start-ups.
- Implement policies that promote individualism and excellence in favor of communal living and positive discrimination.
- Penalty for false export, grant fraud or corruption is life sentence in Midnight Express style prisons.
- Watch your GDP soar as other nations decline and line up at your door to suck your citizens' cocks.

Turkey was (and still is) giving such grants, there's a $250k grant for STEM and heavy industry start-ups and $250k in Turkey goes a long way but of course the Erdogan administration managed to fuck it up with extreme levels of nepotism and overwhelming amounts of bureaucracy for those that didn't obey and comply. I took the first check, tried to make it work, then one day a government auditor cited us for not having Venetian blinds in the office. Apparently our place didn't resemble an actual office because it lacked the blinds. I then said "fuck this" and left the country.

Anyway, I'm giving you a rep point for this. Great point.

Post: #38

Indians are all about that honesty and hard work.

Post: #39

(01-26-2016 01:19 PM)kleyau Wrote:  Indians are all about that honesty and hard work.

Read my post again, I'm not saying they all are, but the ones that get scooped up by tech giants are indeed skilled.

I did quite a lot of talent sourcing at my old job, I interviewed a shit ton of Indians and 90% of them absolutely sucked. (This is also why "fizz buzz" tests still exist in tech job interviews, since most of these people can't code their way out of a fucking cardboard box.) They were all foreign CS graduates who were desperately looking for any sort of tech job so they could extend their visas and stay in the country legally. Other races though, sucked just as much.

The catch here is 90% of a 1.5 billion country and 90% of a 100 million country is not the same.

Post: #40

(01-26-2016 01:26 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 01:19 PM)kleyau Wrote:  Indians are all about that honesty and hard work.

Read my post again, I'm not saying they all are, but the ones that get scooped up by tech giants are indeed skilled.

I did quite a lot of talent sourcing at my old job, I interviewed a shit ton of Indians and 90% of them absolutely sucked. (This is also why "fizz buzz" tests still exist in tech job interviews, since most of these people can't code their way out of a fucking cardboard box.) They were all foreign CS graduates who were desperately looking for any sort of tech job so they could extend their visas and stay in the country legally. Other races though, sucked just as much.

The catch here is 90% of a 1.5 billion country and 90% of a 100 million country is not the same.

We have different ideas about what the US should stand for.

I don't think the US should be used as the world's credit card until we get our shit together and take care of our own. And I think India has an extremely shitty culture, pun intended, that should not be imported en mass.

Post: #41

(01-26-2016 01:44 PM)kleyau Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 01:26 PM)the Thing Wrote:  ...

We have different ideas about what the US should stand for.

I don't think the US should be used as the world's credit card until we get our shit together and take care of our own. And I think India has an extremely shitty culture, pun intended, that should not be imported en mass.

Nobody's saying import any culture en masse, good ones come, shitty ones stay?

Also who's "we" exactly?

As far to my knowledge, an "American" race does not exist and is a mixture of old world settlers who dared to make the voyage, worked hard and obeyed the law. It was these people who built one of the greatest nations in the world from absolutely nothing, so if you want to make America great again you might want to consider how it became great in the first place.

Otherwise it sounds a lot like shitty ass Europeans drinking tea and mourning their failed empires.

While I was doing some reading, the following came up

Benjamin Franklin Wrote:People do not inquire concerning a Stranger, What is he? but, What can he do? If he has any useful Art, he is welcome; and if he exercises it, and behaves well, he will be respected by all that know him.

Joseph Stalin Wrote:According to Joseph Stalin: "a nation is not a racial or tribal, but a historically constituted community of people;" "a nation is not a casual or ephemeral conglomeration, but a stable community of people"; "a nation is formed only as a result of lengthy and systematic intercourse, as a result of people living together generation after generation"; and, in its entirety: "a nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture."

HOLY SHIT Stalin was more American than the average American. I'll go cry in vain now.

I had a bunch more things to say but I don't need to, because this post sums them up quite well: /thread-53268...pid1202719

Post: #42

(01-26-2016 02:34 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

Joseph Stalin Wrote:According to Joseph Stalin: "a nation is not a racial or tribal, but a historically constituted community of people;" "a nation is not a casual or ephemeral conglomeration, but a stable community of people"; "a nation is formed only as a result of lengthy and systematic intercourse, as a result of people living together generation after generation"; and, in its entirety: "a nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture."

HOLY SHIT Stalin was more American than the average American. I'll go cry in vain now.

I had a bunch more things to say but I don't need to, because this post sums them up quite well: /thread-53268...pid1202719

Not to digress too far from MrLemon's Make America Great Again original point, but Stalin killed millions of his fellow countrymen to pursue his ideal nation. And you're going to all caps to that as a great statement?

Post: #43

You know I didn't write that reply to praise Stalin, the quote was just there to strengthen my main point, can you rebut with something that's not a logical fallacy?

Post: #44

(01-26-2016 03:23 PM)the Thing Wrote:  You know I didn't write that reply to praise Stalin, the quote was just there to strengthen my main point, can you rebut with something that's not a logical fallacy?

Taking into account the character of the person you're quoting is human nature. It's why we are social, to find out if the words someone says match their actions. And if their actions are something we think should continue.

Most logical fallacies disregard time as a variable and ignore repeated interactions, they just assume random collisions that have no relation to past or future events. That's why college professors throw them out as distractions while everyone ignores them in real life.

Post: #45

It's a logical fallacy because I wasn't implying Stalin was a great man, or that I supported his actions, quite on the contrary my point was that even Stalin could apprehend the idea that I wrote about.

Now we can get back to the point?

Post: #46

(01-26-2016 02:34 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

Joseph Stalin Wrote:According to Joseph Stalin: "a nation is not a racial or tribal, but a historically constituted community of people;" "a nation is not a casual or ephemeral conglomeration, but a stable community of people"; "a nation is formed only as a result of lengthy and systematic intercourse, as a result of people living together generation after generation"; and, in its entirety: "a nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture."

HOLY SHIT Stalin was more American than the average American. I'll go cry in vain now.

I had a bunch more things to say but I don't need to, because this post sums them up quite well: /thread-53268...pid1202719

It's kind of amusing that you quote Stalin. You're also not putting this into historical context. The Soviet Union was made up of many different satellite nations and cultures. Stalin was a mass murdering propagandist who had to assert authoritarian control over all these disparate cultures and nations. His talk of "unity" came at the barrel of a gun.

He would disappear dissenters and he sent millions of non cooperative ethnic cultures and individuals into gulags. Throughout his rule he was trying to fit square pegs into round holes. He didn't care if he broke the entire playset while trying to do it. That's the worldview of a maniac. The type of unity he's talking about simply doesn't work in the way he envisioned it nor should it quoted and made into a framework to run future societies.

Post: #47

(01-26-2016 04:33 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  It's kind of amusing that you quote Stalin. You're also not putting this into historical context. The Soviet Union was made up of many different satellite nations and cultures. Stalin was a mass murdering propagandist who had to assert authoritarian control over all these disparate cultures and nations. His talk of "unity" came at the barrel of a gun.

He would disappear dissenters and he sent millions of non cooperative ethnic cultures and individuals into gulags. Throughout his rule he was trying to fit square pegs into round holes. He didn't care if he broke the entire playset while trying to do it. That's the worldview of a maniac. The type of unity he's talking about simply doesn't work in the way he envisioned it nor should it quoted and made into a framework to run future societies.

the Thing Wrote:It's a logical fallacy because I wasn't implying Stalin was a great man, or that I supported his actions, quite on the contrary my point was that even Stalin could apprehend the idea that I wrote about.

Now we can get back to the point?

Post: #48

Ok, I wrote this up last night and wanted to comb through it one time. This is a snapshot of what I see on a daily basis as a tech recruiter. I tried not to get bogged down in technicalities of the minutia more focused on painting the big picture..

Every year in April, companies file H1B visas so workers can begin working on these visas in October of that year. The number of visas granted is roughly 200K. Only legitimate organizations can file for these. One Man LLC’s cannot.

Now, how does one go from a non H1 to an H1 you ask? There are a few ways; here are the most common.

Graduate with a masters or bachelors as a foreign student and you are on a OPT Visa for up to 19 months that your educational institution sponsors. (No cost to the candidate). If you major in a STEM field you are granted 27 months on an OPT. This can only occur after you’ve been on an F1 Visa program in which you can work no more than 20 hours a week and that work has to be a work study or school approved internship.

Another very common way to get on an H1 is to take the L1 route. The L1 route is an Intracompany transfer. So you work for a company in another country and they then transfer put to work “on loan” from their home countries business. Ex; Accenture India sends Raju to Accenture USA. He can only work for Accenture USA under the terms of his visa since he is truly an employee of Accenture India. He is basically an indentured servant. If he is a very good indentured servant, they’ll file his H1. This rarely happens. What usually happens is mom n pop “third party agency” file his H1 unbeknownst to his employer in the US in April. When it becomes active in October, he gives notice to Big time consulting firm, gets a bump in salary (generally 60-80K USD), and begins being pimped out.

There are other ways to do it but these are general the most common.

With the Visas out of the way; lets get on to the business of what happens.

When employed by a big consulting firm, visa IT workers, lets just stick with developers for arguments sake, are being billed out at a rate of no less than $125/HR which equates to annual cost of 250K. These rates can go much higher. The average US IT workers salary is between 85-130K. The average salary for consulting worker is between 65-95K (+the H1 filing process costs a few thousand) which is less employment cost for labor to the employer but because there are now profits involved in the equation, the client ends up paying substantially more. Outsourcing is already operating at a huge loss. Additionally, the knowledge doesn’t stay with the organization that paid for it. So when Raju from Accenture gets put on a new project, his knowledge goes with him and poof goes the value. Yes there is documentation but lets be real, its not good and done in a way for the long term. The Fortune 1000 corp and consulting firm know the terms of the agreement when they get into it.

Now, this is where it gets criminal. The third party vendor I told you about before goes around and snaps up as many OTP candidates as possible, whose visa is being paid for by their school, and creates completely fabricated resumes. These resumes say the candidate has between 5+ to 7+ year experience on average and they want to bill between 55-90/HR which results in an annualized cost of $110K-180K per year. My organization, a US based staffing firm, then has to turn around and mark it up so we make a profit. So the cost goes up again. Now the real kicker here is that these 5 to 7 year “Candidates” are really fresh grads with no experience. They are between the ages 24-28.

Oh, your 28 and have three degrees and 8 years of full time experience. Damn man, you are a time management freak! It’s a lie. You look at their massively cookie cutter resume and ask, oh you worked @ Wells Fargo in Dallas for two years. What was the address? To which they answer “Address????....I didn’t get you” Yes, you worked there for two years, what street did you work on? Oh, you can’t answer that; where did you and your coworkers grab lunch? “Lunch????....I didn’t get you? can you repeat”

The best question to ask is; ok, you just regurgitated the technologies on your resume to me. Now, what were they used for? Technology isn’t used in a vacuum, there is always a function. What was the functionality scope of your project?...Crickets.
Just today, I had someone tell me he worked at Rolls Royce in Dallas as a UI developer. Go on LinkedIn and select Rolls Royce and Filter for Dallas. There are 31 Salesman, no corporate offices and certainly no IT groups. Its moronic.

Their employer will just substitute a generic indian name at the top of the resume or put in one of their five middle names and spam the job boards until an offer comes up. Its massively inefficient for everyone but the employer doesn’t care because they have no skin in the game. They are just sitting in India pimping out their classmates that were smart enough to be presented to come to the US.

Sometimes if a “candidate” really can’t “crack” an interview with the three months of interview bullshitting prep they gave him, they’ll have another person on their payroll take the interview and send the fresher onsite. This always ends badly. We’ve had consultants break down crying because they couldn’t deal with the lying anymore. There is actually a case of a hiring manager calling us up and saying “Hey you know that guy that started this morning; I’m in my office and watching him run down the lawn to the parking lot very frantically. I don’t think our scope meeting went well with him this morning” I give them no pity but its sad, so far away from home and living a lie every day that you can never possibly live up to in the short term to maybe have a better future down the road.

Now if one of these “candidates” with 2-3 experience ever wants to go full time with an end client, say JPMC, their sense of value is so inflated that they want 40% raises to make the move. They think they are worth it and can get it. It rarely happens.

So every year, you have 200K H1s flooding the employment market pretending to be something they are not. H1s are supposed to expire after 2 three year terms. However, if a corporation begins the Green Card process, you can file for extensions in perpetuity. Some have been here for over a decade. You have at least 2 million H1s floating around the country. This doesn’t even account for those on student visas which, yes, will be less but its still in the hundreds of thousands.

And guess what? There is no quality control on any of this. There are so many fraudlent resumes attached to young, minimally experienced “consultants” that convolute the labor market.

The only check is really recruiters as gate keepers, hiring managers as interviews, team members as peers, and CIO’s who hire the consulting firms. However, we hold no legal power to straighten out the process so the firms will just fabricate another resume or shop to another organization until a hire occurs.

What has happened is the labor market is flooded with shiny, nonsense filled resumes and creates the ILLUSION OF COMPTENCY which keeps wages down. The avg. US worker has to compete solely on price as opposed to value or knowledge. However, they have to jump through hoops and go through numerous calls and interviews just to get an offer but they have no bargaining power. They are stuck and on average have a much harder time lying about their experience because they believe in good ole fashion honesty and transparency.

Now, this all seems overly harsh and negative, it may even come off that I hate indian consultants. I don’t. Some of the best guys I’ve worked with have been Indian but they are legit and any one of us would have a beer with them. The legit guys hate the scam too because of the stigma the fakes create. It’s the liars (24 year olds claiming to have 7+ years of experience) that have corrupted this market to the point that is unrecognizable. Unfortunately, there are a lot more liars than there are legit guys.

I mean ask yourself this; the technology was invented here. Why can’t we train people where the technology is built? One would assume if their countrymen are intelligent enough to develop the specs then they can train others local to them with a decent level of comprehension to be proficient and above average. There is no skills gap. There is a willingness gap. A willingness for visa workers to lie and a willingness for those in power to accept falsified backgrounds and shoddier product for less money and bargaining power of the labor force.

The anger however shouldn’t be placed at the feet of individual contributors from India on visas. The visa workers are just trying to better their lives and doing whatever they can to take that opportunity. It’s the executives, lobbyists, billionaires, and government that perpetuate this shell game.
One last remark; the truly talented people at the big tech companies like Google, FB, Paypal and Silicon valley in general are worth their weight in gold. They deserve visas and a swift green card (EB2, EB1 status). But in reality, there aren’t 200K of these people at the gates every year. Otherwise, we’d have flying cars and Marty McFly would be going back in time because of these geniuses on visas.

One last remark, whenever I do a search for an IT position on a job board, if I filter for US Cit and GC only, the number of available resumes drops by half. HALF. Every time. I don’t have the time or economic background to demonstrate what negative effects this has on the hiring process and economy in general but I can tell you this; its delaying real, honest candidates, visa or not, from getting to work and creating value. Its disastrous.

TL;DR the system is full of lies and is all about keeping wages down. There are thousands, more likely hundreds of thousands, of fraudlent profiles floating around which bottlenecks the process and floods the market with the perception that there are tons of talented visas workers with the right “skills”. These are paper skills and unverifiable. The visa program needs to be reformed.

Post: #49

^^ Excellent post.
Seeing as how much great on spot info you provided, can you think of how it can be reformed?

Post: #50

(01-27-2016 11:45 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  ^^ Excellent post.
Seeing as how much great on spot info you provided, can you think of how it can be reformed?

Great question~! If I'm going to display the negative, I should be able to form some educated suggestions. Thats what business people do.

I've never given "real solutions" much thought because of where I sit on the hierarchy. I only know part of the equation. I don't know the internal machinations of the big corps and how the evaluate the business costs of US hires vs. Visa hires. Its way outside my scope.

I'll give it some thought and get back to you.