Post: #26

(12-24-2015 12:56 PM)kaotic Wrote:  ...

We want to seek out and bang feminine non western women, but expect them to stay that way after we realize we'd rather chase new pussy then get locked down to a good one. Then we rail against how they're being corrupted by the west (aka western players).

Catch 22

Post: #27

^^^
Disagree on the catch 22.

If #NoHymenNoDiamond,
Then #NoDiamondNoHymen.

In other words, if guys want to hold out and seek virgin brides, then those virgin girls should hold out and seek marriage for their virginity.

Don't let girls escape responsibility. THAT is how the West spreads.

"But he played me SO well, it's not my fault I got pumped and dumped!" =
"But she was SO hot, it's not my fault I got divorce-raped!"

Post: #28

I agree, a girl SHOULD BE held responsible for her actions.

But I'm talking about a broader point of some good women regardless of team hymen being ruined.

You don't need to fuck a virgin to fuck her up in the head.

Remember that.

Speaking of Team Hymen, can you really be sure ?

She could suck a thousand dicks and STILL claim to be a complete pure virgin.

She could get DP'ed in the ass and STILL claim to be a complete virgin.

There are some fallacies in that line of thinking.

Post: #29

I agree its also the responsibility of the women to say no but when you spot a good girl, why seduce here for the sake of ruin her? Whats the gain of the temptation beside the sex? There are sluts out there, there are girls in the middle out there. On the other side I understand every man want to get laid and if its possible he will do it. The issue is when the intention to drop her is already there even if she is a good girl. Because some say they are either not ready to contribute something for a LTR, don't believe in it or whatever.

At the end its the struggle of life and everyone is on the quest for his or her own stuff.

Post: #30

(12-24-2015 03:07 PM)262 Wrote:  ^^^
Disagree on the catch 22.

If #NoHymenNoDiamond,
Then #NoDiamondNoHymen.

In other words, if guys want to hold out and seek virgin brides, then those virgin girls should hold out and seek marriage for their virginity.

Don't let girls escape responsibility. THAT is how the West spreads.

"But he played me SO well, it's not my fault I got pumped and dumped!" =
"But she was SO hot, it's not my fault I got divorce-raped!"

Of course the western player isn't the only problem or even half of it, but it certainly doesn't help that many of us are the cock carousel.

Ideally, what we would be doing especially with the knowledge we have is locking down these feminine women and starting a family asap. Set an example.

It wouldn't immediately stop the encroachment of westernization but it's something.

Post: #31

I'm Ethiopian and came to the US for college. 3/4th of my Highschool graduating class did the same. In just 8 years ... almost all the cute, traditional girls I've known who in retrospect would have made excellent wives, have turned from looking like this ...



to this ...



90% of them have turned from upper class Ethiopian princess types to tattooed, mentally fucked ratchet sluts who twerk to "Rack City Bitch" and get Grey Goose poured into their mouths by some VIP host at a club in D.C or Atlanta. The saddest part is that my own little sister got her first tattoo this year and nose piercing couple weeks ago. Thinking about the little girl i used to teach how to ride a bike turning into Western trash breaks my heart. Calling her out on it would most likely backfire so i shut my mouth and let her do her do what she wants.

Post: #32

Players being the cock carousel does serve a purpose.

They "uncover" the girls who can't hold their emotions back for a ring. (More on this below.)

That line of thinking helps us answer the question, "Can you burn a virgin without fucking her?"

Yes, but only if she can't control her emotions.

It's the same as guys facing hundreds of approach rejections. In both cases, control of your emotions is required to keep going and stay true.

As for being 100% sure a girl is on Team Hymen, well, nothing is 100% sure. But with the experience that comes with trying to become a player, you can tell which girls are too comfortable with men and have little to no values, and which ones have little to no experience and plenty of values.

What I'm trying to get at is that I want guys to avoid the "man up and accept responsibility for any bullshit" mentality that GOP cuckservatives suggest to men.

Players are not responsible for Westernization. Westernization is responsible for enabling players.

Post: #33

(12-24-2015 03:19 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I agree, a girl SHOULD BE held responsible for her actions.

But I'm talking about a broader point of some good women regardless of team hymen being ruined.

You don't need to fuck a virgin to fuck her up in the head.

Remember that.

Speaking of Team Hymen, can you really be sure ?

She could suck a thousand dicks and STILL claim to be a complete pure virgin.

She could get DP'ed in the ass and STILL claim to be a complete virgin.

There are some fallacies in that line of thinking.

Yep. I remember a girl in high school told me she was a virgin even though she took it up the butt and gave a few BJs.... You really can't be sure.

Post: #34

(12-24-2015 04:10 PM)Parzival Wrote:  I agree its also the responsibility of the women to say no but when you spot a good girl, why seduce here for the sake of ruin her? Whats the gain of the temptation beside the sex? There are sluts out there, there are girls in the middle out there. On the other side I understand every man want to get laid and if its possible he will do it. The issue is when the intention to drop her is already there even if she is a good girl. Because some say they are either not ready to contribute something for a LTR, don't believe in it or whatever.

At the end its the struggle of life and everyone is on the quest for his or her own stuff.

What exactly, is a good girl? If she's a good girl, what's she doing choosing pump and dump playboys over the 80% of guys who are signalling their provider status?

Perhaps the idea that a woman is a good girl is just an illusion we use to protect our ego.

Perhaps it's just their nature to ride the carousel when the right social and legal environment presents itself.

Funny how women can portray herself as a raging slut or a good girl depending on how she wants you to perceive her.

Funny how a woman can go wild in her early 20s when she's still finding herself, but turn into a serious woman when she's ready to marry.

Women are the water in the teapot, they take the shape of whatever their environment and options demand of them. If it were otherwise, this thread would be superfluous.

Post: #35

(12-24-2015 04:46 PM)zigZag Wrote:  Yep. I remember a girl in high school told me she was a virgin even though she took it up the butt and gave a few BJs.... You really can't be sure.

In my experience with virgins (mostly in Russia), it's very easy to tell when a girl hasn't been naked in front of a man before. The difference in behaviour, how timid she is, etc. is like night and day. That still leaves the possibility of hand/blow jobs, but it's close enough for me to call her a virgin.

I would put this in the "don't listen to what women say" category... they'll hamster up some reason for anal and oral sex not counting and not even feel that they're lying.

Post: #36

I hope all the men thinking about importing foreign wives to the US/UK are reading this thread!

Post: #37

Anecdotes of 3 EE women:

One was a phd student who told me of how her grandparents were warning her about getting washed up. She had oodles of thirsty men providing her with trips and free stuff (only really a 6.5). She was a nerd's dream. Ultimately, she triggered my learning about roissy then Roosh.

One was a young "virgin". Looks like a brunette next girl pornstar. She stopped going to her parents church. After learning that she gave pornstar head, i found out about the guy she had loved for 2 years and refused to marry her. Would do atm almost on demand. Locked down a thug from her own culture that already had kids and probably was willing to go in debt to give her the bmw or merc she wanted.

The third was a late 20s fish fuck. Dumb, big tits, boring as fuck personality that also wanted to tie me up. Fuck that. Next. Constantly told me how good i was. I think she rode a bunch of lameasses who instantly came over her huge ass titties. Her body and personality didn't bring the freak out in me.

All 3 were born in EE and entered USA right before or after their teens.

Others:

A very low N count European that hid her fiance or whatever from me. Spent 2 weeks with her, moved, found out about the other guy and half jokingly called her a whore. I had swooped her almost fresh off the boat. She still messages me when she's lonely and congratulates me on my younger, hotter girlfriends.

I've mainly avoided asian women otherwise I'd probably have more stories. I'm forgetting some others I'm sure.

I've honestly found some sweeter american babes.

Not gonna mention the brits. No thank you. Not that they count anyway.

Post: #38

I have a family member who married this mexican fob basically. fresh from mexico they dated for a while and I was his room mate. Noticed the girl was really conservative, would cook almost everyday, clean up the house, shy, barely spoke english, and she really just seemed like a nice girl. They had a kid so I decided to move out.

Fast forward about 2 years and she's completely changed. She got a big ass tattoo on her back. she posts on facebook and instagram partying all the time, shes completely Americanized now. He even bought her a car to get around but she doesn't drive it because she's too embarrassed to be seen in a honda. A while ago I was at the club spitting game on this bird at the bar and out of nowhere my cousins wife comes up to me and shes like heyyy omg so happy to see you cockblocked my game. Then I was like so where is my cousin at, she's like oh well he's out of town for work and i'm here at the club with my girls. Thought to myself, shit, they got her too, why do these things happen.

Now my extended family is pretty much trying to slut shame the girl always gossiping about her and saying how wild she is and that she's no good. When a couple years ago she was the perfect girl.

Thats only one example of many. I have a feeling we're going to have to start shacking girls up and moving to middle of nowhere like Siberia. Roosh wrote about this on his blog about starting small communities and such.

Post: #39

When I travel and look for girls online, It is generally a red flag if a girl spent a lot of time in an English speaking country or Western Europe. It's not that I avoid these girls completely, because I'm just looking for quick bangs anyway, but if I were looking for a long term relationship, I would definitely avoid them.

Post: #40

Not what you'd expect considering the tone of this thread, but I wanted to share what is, thus far, an exception to the rule. My uncle, in his 50s at the time, brought over a Ukranian woman at maybe 20 years old who barely spoke any English. She seemed shy, but was a great cook and cleaned. My female relatives were up in arms, treating her and my uncle with contempt. Not because she was a bad woman, but looking back on it, because they didn't want any of their men to start getting the same idea.

Fast forward to today, he's in his late 60s and she's just turning 30. They just had a kid together. They look happy. How is this possible? I would venture a few guesses. My uncle is an attorney specializing in family and immigration law. That's a kind of soft power, where my aunt knows that whatever she'd try to pull, he'd be 3 steps ahead of her. The other thing is, she works for him as an assistant in his firm. It's just them. He's the boss, and because they spend all day together, he doesn't have to worry about her getting close with coworkers.

He's much older, but also has kept up pretty well for his age, and he's a charmer. They live out in the suburbs so her options aren't as wide. It could all change tomorrow, but she seems to have kept most of her old world values, and I think there's a decent chance it'll work out.

Post: #41

(12-24-2015 06:43 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  When I travel and look for girls online, It is generally a red flag if a girl spent a lot of time in an English speaking country or Western Europe. It's not that I avoid these girls completely, because I'm just looking for quick bangs anyway, but if I were looking for a long term relationship, I would definitely avoid them.

The first thing I usually look for when analyzing a chick as a bang is her instagram or whatever pictures. If there's lots of vacation pics in the west or some "exotic" land then I know how to proceed with them. The more pics she has of the west the more you have to take a western game approach to bagging her and the more trouble she will be. It's almost never wrong.

Post: #42

(12-24-2015 05:03 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 04:10 PM)Parzival Wrote:  I agree its also the responsibility of the women to say no but when you spot a good girl, why seduce here for the sake of ruin her? Whats the gain of the temptation beside the sex? There are sluts out there, there are girls in the middle out there. On the other side I understand every man want to get laid and if its possible he will do it. The issue is when the intention to drop her is already there even if she is a good girl. Because some say they are either not ready to contribute something for a LTR, don't believe in it or whatever.

At the end its the struggle of life and everyone is on the quest for his or her own stuff.

What exactly, is a good girl? If she's a good girl, what's she doing choosing pump and dump playboys over the 80% of guys who are signalling their provider status?

Perhaps the idea that a woman is a good girl is just an illusion we use to protect our ego.

Perhaps it's just their nature to ride the carousel when the right social and legal environment presents itself.

Funny how women can portray herself as a raging slut or a good girl depending on how she wants you to perceive her.

Funny how a woman can go wild in her early 20s when she's still finding herself, but turn into a serious woman when she's ready to marry.

Women are the water in the teapot, they take the shape of whatever their environment and options demand of them. If it were otherwise, this thread would be superfluous.

Be water my friend...


I guess whats a good girl is different for everyone. It's said that you should never let your game down. This is also true or better let it become natural. I don't see it here that women break up that easy or cheat. Maybe its also the lack of opportunities or a different mentality.

So be the right teapot for the right water that you can enjoy your tea.

Post: #43

The western culture corrupts not only women, but also men. I've said this before in the EU migrants thread. The capitalist system has every incentive to destroy the family. A strong family is much harder to get into than everyone on his own.

Imagine a 20 year old girl with $500 in the two cases:

1. She lives in a strong/protective family. They'll probably advice her to save the $500 for some other day. Or buy something useful with it.

2. She lives on her own in an aggressive ads city like NYC. $500 spent on junk in 3, 2, 1 seconds.

Signature purse. My ass.

Same for guys. Buy the iPhone. Buy the GoPro. Do videos to impress. Impress even more. Spend more. Change girls. Nightlive. Drink alchool. Spend More. Travel More. Etc...

It's over in my opinion. The US has won. The whole world will soon change, and in an aggressive way. My opinion (and strategy) is to adapt. Try to exploit the financial and capitalist system to make money. And use game.

Post: #44

Moving from a small country-side to the big city, here is something else I have noticed: Young Girls works on bars, coffee shops, nightclubs, etc... Would this happen with my family? No. Not because we are rich. But there will be a compromise: The daughter will accept less pocket-money, and the family will give more to the daughter so that she doesn't need to do such a job.

In the capitalist world we are, a girl on her own is forced to work if she lives in the big city. This is extra supply for the capitalists. This would not happen if strong families existed.

Post: #45

(12-24-2015 01:23 AM)eljeffster Wrote:  She came to America as a teenager, got with a guy, married him, had a few kids. She would have dinner on the table waiting for him every night, their place was spotless, and she stayed home with the kids. She didn't drink, even if they went out. She would get tea, tea!

So the guy cheated on her a bunch and finally got fed up and left. That is when she went crazy and met me. As much fun as she was, I kept thinking about how if I had met her when she first came to America she would have been absolute wife material.

The whole thing was a damn shame.

Pretty much the same thing happened with a girl whom I was involved with for a while too. Her husband in fact cheated on her with her best friend who came over from her home country.

I have to shake my head at people like this. When I met her she was damaged and there was no way I was going to stay with her long-term, it was almost like Western culture had desouled her and left her incapable of being a good (sane) wife anymore.

Post: #46

(12-25-2015 06:09 AM)thisisright Wrote:  The western culture corrupts not only women, but also men. I've said this before in the EU migrants thread. The capitalist system has every incentive to destroy the family. A strong family is much harder to get into than everyone on his own.

Imagine a 20 year old girl with $500 in the two cases:

1. She lives in a strong/protective family. They'll probably advice her to save the $500 for some other day. Or buy something useful with it.

2. She lives on her own in an aggressive ads city like NYC. $500 spent on junk in 3, 2, 1 seconds.

Signature purse. My ass.

Same for guys. Buy the iPhone. Buy the GoPro. Do videos to impress. Impress even more. Spend more. Change girls. Nightlive. Drink alchool. Spend More. Travel More. Etc...

It's over in my opinion. The US has won. The whole world will soon change, and in an aggressive way. My opinion (and strategy) is to adapt. Try to exploit the financial and capitalist system to make money. And use game.

The problem isn't the capitalist system, but lack of morals and cultural subversion. Capitalist America was doing just fine in the 50's and 60's(and before) until the sexual revolution started and and feminism become mainstream spreading to the rest of society, all things put in place by an elite that don't want a fair capitalist system based on a strong and moral culture, so they did everything to undermine our society(since our elite is already at the top, and they want to stay there without no one else moving to the top, they want a system that resemble more a socialist or communist system where everybody is equal in misery, they don't care about those who are at the bottom).

When subversion advanced even more it started affecting the laws and our customs, when you have things like no-fault divorce and the subsequence trivialization of marriage. Then when you don't have morals and a subverted culture, you have things like mindless consumerism and other symptoms of decadence that together form what we call modern Western culture.

But to say the our decadent culture is the fault of capitalism is to mistake the effect as a cause. The problem is not the capitalist system but our lack of morals and cultural subversion that is so prevalent nowadays. Has America already showed to the world in the past a capitalist system with a strong and moral cultural(no despite what you learned in school and college they aren't mutually exclusive and the "evil capitalist system" isn't to blame). With both capitalism and a strong moral society we have the best quality to satisfy our material needs as our immaterial needs like a strong community, nation and strong spirituality as well.

Post: #47

(12-24-2015 05:07 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 04:46 PM)zigZag Wrote:  Yep. I remember a girl in high school told me she was a virgin even though she took it up the butt and gave a few BJs.... You really can't be sure.

In my experience with virgins (mostly in Russia), it's very easy to tell when a girl hasn't been naked in front of a man before. The difference in behaviour, how timid she is, etc. is like night and day. That still leaves the possibility of hand/blow jobs, but it's close enough for me to call her a virgin.

I would put this in the "don't listen to what women say" category... they'll hamster up some reason for anal and oral sex not counting and not even feel that they're lying.

Yep, her body language tells all.

Post: #48

I've been thinking about what exactly 'corrupts' a woman, and how, if possible, to stop the process. I'm convinced that practically every woman is corruptible, that it is inherent in their nature to want to ride the carousel given the right opportunities. The question is how to minimize those chances. Assuming you're starting with a woman who hasn't already been corrupted, these would be my guesses:

- Live outside a major metro area: This reduces her options. Women go for the top 10% regardless of where they are, and a larger population means that it's harder to stand out. In a rural area it's very easy to be the best dressed/charismatic/whatever. Divorce rate is much lower in rural areas.

- Do not allow her to work away from home: Reduces the chances of her spending 8 hours a day surrounded by and bonding with other men.

- Limit her friendships with western women: Western women are a corrupting influence. If your woman is well trained, other women will try to drag her down to the lowest common denominator. Women have a herd mentality and will try to fit into the larger group.

- Encourage friendships exclusively with other family members: If her only social group is your family, there will be major repercussions if she decided to blow up the relationship. She would be isolated from the only group of friends she knows. I think this was a major part of keeping my aunt honest.

- Limit her exposure to TV and pop culture: I think this is something she has to already be inclined to. Might have to look for someone who already doesn't watch or own a TV, and prefers to read. Sitting in front of a TV for hours on end, whose programming sets the approved social expectations for her will change her attitudes.

- Keep her busy: The devil makes use of idle hands. If she's bored, she's going to start looking to other avenues for entertainment. Get her cooking, cleaning, doing work for you. If you run an online business, perhaps you could show her some basics to start her own.

- If you have a daughter, don't send them to college: Pretty much an environment that is the polar opposite of everything above I've tried to lay out.

I'm sure there's others I missed.

Post: #49

Good thread.

One plate I was spinning earlier this year was from a country in East Asia and was in Australia on an international student visa. She was fairly attractive - probably a 6.5 or 7 out of 10.

She told me that when she was back in her home country, she only ever had one "boyfriend" who she dated for 5 years. However, her parents sent her abroad to study and she lost contact with her boyfriend.

She told me that before going abroad she only ever had sex with 1 guy (her boyfriend), but in only about 1 year of living abroad she had reached a notch count of 16 (including me). She said that before coming to Australia, she had never been to a nightclub, but now she goes regularly.

And this was a girl who was on lockdown by her conservative family members who she was living with her.

This is only just one example which is recent - but I have come across many similar cases so many times before. From my experience, if a girl has lived in an Anglosphere country (USA, UK, Canada, Aus) you can assume that she has ridden the carousel and has taken part in slutty behaviour. They just have way too many high quality options and receive way too much attention in the Anglosphere.

Post: #50

(12-24-2015 09:25 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 06:43 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  When I travel and look for girls online, It is generally a red flag if a girl spent a lot of time in an English speaking country or Western Europe. It's not that I avoid these girls completely, because I'm just looking for quick bangs anyway, but if I were looking for a long term relationship, I would definitely avoid them.

The first thing I usually look for when analyzing a chick as a bang is her instagram or whatever pictures. If there's lots of vacation pics in the west or some "exotic" land then I know how to proceed with them. The more pics she has of the west the more you have to take a western game approach to bagging her and the more trouble she will be. It's almost never wrong.

^^Bingo! With all the options out there to say "Look here - attention whoring in progress!" (Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Twitter, etc.), the ability to do a background check is staring you in the face.

It's also a great way to see how big of a liar she is or isn't, if/when you question her about stuff.

Example: After a 5-10 minute internet check on "Lisa", you come across some pics from her summer "abroad" 2 years ago. The pics are her with her slut face firmly on, wearing a bikini, surrounded by (and hugging, etc.) a bunch of dudes in, say, Ibiza.

You know what the fuck's what. Now you go for the kill when you see her.

You: "So Lisa, how did you like party vibe in Ibiza?"
Her: (nervously) "I've never been there." "Why are you asking me that?"
You: "You haven't ?" "I must have you mixed up with someone else."

Why would "Lisa" blatantly lie about being in Ibiza? It's a nice place. Popular. Trendy. Probably because she passed her holes around like fucking frisbees at homecoming weekend. And if those pics are public, just imagine what pics and videos aren't.

When it comes to most things in life, especially chicks, when you ask a question, you should already know the answer. You're simply seeing if they are truthful when they answer.