Post: #1

So the DNC is finding itself in the midst of a little scandal which could really upset things.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/b...uspension/

Basically, due to a security failure of the company that runs the DNC database of voters, the Sanders campaign was able to access private info from the Clinton campaign. As a result, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz(DWS we'll call her since I'll be mentioning her frequently) the DNC chair (and all around vile human being) shut down the Sanders campaign's access to the database which has a crippling affect on his campaign. Sanders is now suing the DNC.

So I was doing some research. DWS was Clinton's assistant campaign manager in '08. She's been running the DNC since 2011. Aside from reelecting Obama in 2012 the rest of the election was nothing noteworthy. 2014 was a disaster for the democrats under her leadership. Basically, the DNC wasn't doing much of anything for many of their candidates. Hell, my own state of Maryland wound up with a Republican governor largely due to her incompetence.

In reality, it wasn't incompetence. Her ultimate focus is to get Clinton elected to the white house. I'm waiting for it to come out that she withheld support in the midterms to bankroll a prolonged run by Clinton to ensure a nomination.

In 2013 it was rumored that Obama was planning to ask her to step down because she's an idiot. Politico reported that she had planned to accuse him of misogyny and antisemitism if he had done that.

If you had been following the Sanders campaign since the summer, you would have heard about him speaking to crowds of 10K-20K which is a lot this early. Clinton isn't drawing in anywhere near that many. Yet if you look at the polls, she's beating him by 2-2.5:1.

So in a nutshell, DWC has mandated that the DNC will support Clinton no matter what, and she'll stop at nothing to make it happen. So if you happen to be wondering why Sanders isn't doing any better, there could be a lot more to the story.

Even if you're not a democrat, and have no intention of voting for one, this story is worth watching because I think it has potential to get bigger as more details emerge. DWS is virulently and violently against gun rights, one of the most hawkish democrats where Israel is concerned, and ultra pro SJW.

One final thought on this. When the DNC realized that the Sanders campaign had accessed this material (after the security system failed, they didn't hack it) the first thing the DNC did was tell the press that his campaign did it, and then they suspended their access to the database. Their most important objective was notifying the press? And the window to collect the material was only 40 minutes. The DNC knew who did it almost immediately and ratted them out. Seems fishy to me.

Post: #2

Excellent analysis and background research on an important issue. +1 rep point.

Post: #3

Saw this on Facebook.

Bernie gets cockblocked by his own party. His supporters take to Facebook to cry about it and he sues the DNC.

Trump gets cockblocked by his own party. He threatens to run Independent and take his supporters with him.

A great example of what real power and loyalty looks like.

Post: #4

CNN is reporting that the DNC has caved and is allowing Sanders access to their files again. Pity, I was hoping he'd get pushed into running as an independent.

Post: #5

@porscheguy

you should have abbreviated her name as WNB

Post: #6

Wasn't she in Lord of the Rings? worked for Saruman?
-oh neat she's already on the forum.

Post: #7

The writing is on the wall and now the DNC and Republicans are scrambling hard to subvert the mainstream base anyway they can by hijacking the campaign system first. This is third world type corruption by sabotaging the campaigns of other candidates first.

The DNC is very afraid of Bernie Sanders drawing away votes like Ralph Nader if he goes independent. They are also afraid of Sanders becoming the DNC frontrunner because he doesn't have a prayer against Trump. It's lose/lose for them so they are trying to consolidate as best they can through outright corruption.

The last line of defense for the two parties will be the electoral college.

If Trump runs and wins the popular majority vote in America and still loses due to sketchy electoral vote fuckery then you know for sure the system is outright fraudulent and democracy no longer exists in the U.S. This will be the biggest canary in the coal mine.

Post: #8

I too have just seen that the DNC caved and restored his access to the database. No doubt this is due to the debate coming up tomorrow night (which is a shit time for a debate, thank you DWS.)

The question now, is will they sweep this under the rug? They can try. I predict that tomorrow night, the gloves will come off.

Post: #9

Interesting stuff. First we hear about how the GOP set up shenanigans to make sure one of their own gets nominated despite the will of the voters and now this. I agree we're in for a big year. Lots of tests showing whether democracy truly exists anymore. First Marine Le Pen gets screwed and now we have this in our country. I suspect that things are coming to a head.

Quote:In 2013 it was rumored that Obama was planning to ask her to step down because she's an idiot. Politico reported that she had planned to accuse him of misogyny and antisemitism if he had done that.

Liberals eating their own. I love it. All the indications would normally be a Republican victory this year, but 50 years of mass immigration have truly done their toll.

Post: #10

I gave porscheguy a rep point for this post as well.

In some of my previous posts on the Donald Trump thread, I've mentioned how the press is going out of its way to champion insider Hillary over Sanders. It didn't occur to me that Sanders' own party might be a culprit in what that's happening.

This is an important topic, even if you don't like Sanders. The two major political parties should not be subverting the will of the people, whether its Sanders or Trump the people want. Yet that's exactly what they're doing.

Disgraceful and dishonest. If Wasserman-Shultz or people from the Republican Party are found to be actively working against candidates, they should be fired.

Post: #11

The mainstream establishment that governs the Democrats (left leaning elite globalists) and Republicans (right leaning elite globalists) has realized that the groundswells of support for outsider populist candidates, Sanders, and Trump, is problematic, a crisis in democracy (as they see democracy). I expect the efforts to stymie and discredit both of them to increase.

Relevant both here and in the Donald Trump Thread, is this link, courtesy of the Trilateral Commission (a bit dated by you can read through the lines):

Crisis of democracy

Post: #12

The timine of the debate is shit on purpose. The DNC wouldn't have any debate if they could get away with it. They don't want anyone but Hilarly getting any airtime. And I don't even like Bernie.

Post: #13

(12-19-2015 08:48 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  I gave porscheguy a rep point for this post as well.

In some of my previous posts on the Donald Trump thread, I've mentioned how the press is going out of its way to champion insider Hillary over Sanders. It didn't occur to me that Sanders' own party might be a culprit in what that's happening.

This is an important topic, even if you don't like Sanders. The two major political parties should not be subverting the will of the people, whether its Sanders or Trump the people want. Yet that's exactly what they're doing.

Disgraceful and dishonest. If Wasserman-Shultz or people from the Republican Party are found to be actively working against candidates, they should be fired.

I agree, this is crazy but also exciting to see the underbelly of controlled elections being exposed. I think the presidential election was "supposed" to be Clinton vs. Jeb! with Clinton being victorious. I think they've shifted gears and now its 'supposed' to be Clinton vs. Rubio...however Trump and Sanders are fucking up the 'plan' so badly that the GOP and DNC's attempts to correct course are being exposed.

Even a Trump loss is going to blow this whole thing open because you'd better believe if they fuck with him permanently he's going to bring them all down in a huge kamikaze political explosion.

Post: #14

Breitbart: Clinton Campaign funding the DNC



In an email from a Clinton campaigner to the DNC, she states that "We are planning on doing another transfer on December 1st."

Post: #15

Stop posting pictures, it's giving me indigestion.

Post: #16

Great post.

Post: #17

Sanders pretty much shit the bed with his apology to Clinton during the debate. He did blast on the DNC and specifically DWS who was sitting in the front row, and you could see she wasn't amused and maybe even looked a bit uncomfortable. He should have taken a lesson from Trump or this forum. In 99% of all cases, when men apologize for their actions that didn't result in real physical injury, it never looks good.

The DNC have placed all their eggs in one basket. They're betting everything on Clinton. And I'm betting that DWS is hoping to get, and may very well receive, an appointment as Secretary of State if their little gambit pays off. But in their quest to prove grrl power at any cost, the price they'll pay is a republican controlled house and senate. While I'd like to believe that they'd make her a lame duck, there's a lot of cuckservatives in congress who will hold their noses and vote for wars that Clinton will engage in at the behest of Israel.

Post: #18

I feel we're missing something truly astronomical here.

Here we have two main political parties in the US, subverting their key candidate in order to push two other candidates who are unfit for the role of POTUS and are disliked by a good size of the voting public.

The GOP are prepared to torpedo Trump, their best candidate in 8 years of POTUS wilderness in favour of a man at 3% favourite. Hillary would win the female vote outright in that case. She would win the minority and the default democratic base.

So they're intending to get Hillary in. What end goal would this achieve?

Post: #19

There is no one goal. Everyone helping her has specific things they expect her to reciprocate on and help them out with. Basically she's bought and paid for and the vultures want her to be the knife that carves up and serves what's left of America.

Post: #20

(12-19-2015 02:46 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  The DNC is very afraid of Bernie Sanders drawing away votes like Ralph Nader if he goes independent. They are also afraid of Sanders becoming the DNC frontrunner because he doesn't have a prayer against Trump. It's lose/lose for them so they are trying to consolidate as best they can through outright corruption.

The Democrat voters and party loyalists are not so much afraid of Bernie as are the Democrat big time donors are afraid of him. One look at who donates to Hillary (big time law firms, banks and corporations) versus Bernie (mostly unions) can tell you that. There is no way in hell that the major DNC money, which includes Rothchild connected people like Lynn Forrester, is going to let Bernie anywhere near the oval office. He will be kneecapped, one way or another.

Truth be told, after the Democrat debate last night I got the feeling that Bernie doesn't really want it that badly. He was so busy apologizing, deferring and praising the Hildabeest that combined with the softball questions lobbed by the lapdog press, it looked like a jubilee for the heir apparent more than an actual debate among adversaries. Bernie really needs to go for the jugular if he ever expects to gain any traction.

Oh yeah, almost forgot - they threw in Martin O'Malley to fill up the stage a bit but he was so nervous and clueless it's now obvious to me why he isn't doing better among likely Democrat voters. All of them however, were positively clueless on foreign policy (Hildabeest, deliberately so - best to avoid any discussion of her tenure at Department of State).

Post: #21

I would really like to see the won't ever happen situation of both Sanders and Trump running as independents and a four-way political bloodbath between them and the party elected nominees for Democratic and Republican parties.

Post: #22

(12-20-2015 09:27 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  I feel we're missing something truly astronomical here.

Here we have two main political parties in the US, subverting their key candidate in order to push two other candidates who are unfit for the role of POTUS and are disliked by a good size of the voting public.

So they're intending to get Hillary in. What end goal would this achieve?

Grrl power is their intended goal. And since she believes her own hype, she thinks she's up for the task. The "establishment" supports her bid because she'll pursue any neocon agenda she's ordered to pursue. Israel says start WW3 with Russia in Syria, she'll do it. Israel tells her to topple another middle eastern regime. She'll do it. When she's told to leave the doors wide open for unrestricted immigration, she'll do it. In fact, the list of things she won't do to gain the white house is much easier to compile. There's nothing she won't do, and there's no amount of Americans she won't sell out in the name of grrl power.

I would argue her presidency would be another lame duck since the democrats have no chance of regaining control of congress. But she's enough of a neocon cuckservative, they'd find plenty of things they could do together to fuck over the American people.

Post: #23

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pres...ng-clinton

Martin O'Malley has gone on record saying that the DNC is favoring Clinton.

He and Sanders have called out the limited number of debates, and their scheduling at the worst times. A Sanders campaign aide stated "We're playing the hand we're dealt, I guess Christmas Eve was booked."

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pres...istmas-eve

I know that many of you have preconceived notions about what democrat voters want. You tend to think they want free shit, and not much else. That's really a new thing that started with the Obamaphone. What most traditional democrats want is to not get fucked. They want people who work hard to have a fair chance in their pursuit of success. What's happening with the DNC and Clinton is the kind of thing that leaves a bad taste in the mouths of many democrats. I'll admit that the fat, blue haired, SJWs don't mind as their goal is victory and grrl power at any price, but this kind of shit alienates normal voters. They'll want to know why, if Clinton was so qualified, did the DNC rig the process?

Will discontent continue to grow, or will the press collude with the DNC to shut it down over the holidays?

Post: #24

(12-20-2015 09:27 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  I feel we're missing something truly astronomical here.

Here we have two main political parties in the US, subverting their key candidate in order to push two other candidates who are unfit for the role of POTUS and are disliked by a good size of the voting public.

The GOP are prepared to torpedo Trump, their best candidate in 8 years of POTUS wilderness in favour of a man at 3% favourite. Hillary would win the female vote outright in that case. She would win the minority and the default democratic base.

So they're intending to get Hillary in. What end goal would this achieve?

The (left and right) establishment will support Hillary because:

- She's a dyed in the wool old school neo con disguised as a liberal sea hag. Mainstream SJWs are too stupid to know that she's not one of them and more like Dick Cheney. The mainstream media loves Hillary because they are in fact also bought and paid for by the establishment. Hillary was pro-Iraq war and later tried to backpedal (many years later) when called out on it.

- She's all about expanding military conflict overseas. Besides the enormous fuck ups in Benghazi she's been terrible in the asia-pacific region. She actually increased tensions through inaction and mixed signals. Most leaders in asia could not stand her and viewed her as cold and arrogant. This is mostly done on purpose to push further military expansion into the middle east and asia. This is not a good thing since it's just trillions of defense dollars getting dumped into black holes.

- She's all about big corporate enterprise fucking around with the middle class and expanding banking powers just like her husband did. Don't forget that it was a Clinton who repealed the Glass-Steagall act and allowed banks to loot the system.

- She's extremely pro illegal and h1b visa immigration. There's been enough said about this to fill a book but the establishment wants to flood the country with an unlimited labor pool.

Post: #25

Clinton's resistance on Benghazi, let's not forget, has less to do with the unfortunate deaths of four Americans and more to do with not wanting to discuss the ratline of weapons being funneled from post-Gaddafi Libya into Syria after Obama couldn't beat the war drums loudly enough to convince congress to support the "rebels" there.

The entire weapons-for-"rebels" operation looks very much like a latter day Iran-Contra scandal. Coupled with her deliberate mishandling of classified email (something for which Edward Snowden faces federal time, and which Bradley Manning already serves), Hildabeest ought to be sweating bullets that Trump does not get elected and orders the DoJ to prosecute. That woman should already be wearing an orange jump suit.