I simplify it sometimes by saying it's palm greasing but I realise that cultural understanding takes a bit of work. This is not something that one can write a datasheet on as it's a feeling thing and very dynamic. I only put it out there in terms that Westerners can understand instead of thinking it's some disorganised mosh pit of grabbing and corruption. Social intelligence is one that plays a major role when dealing in developing countries. It's important in the West as one moves through ranks and ascends to higher tiers but for the average working man in places North America, it's not so needed.

Based on this, you can have super IT guys or engineers totally immersed in their work in the West without need for any social skills. It's almost like they can outsource the rest of the skills required to function in society. Even if you are a .NET programmer in a developing country, you still need to be able to switch hats to deal with the constant human interaction.

Boiling it back down to this Jamaica investment, on a simple level, it's about greasing palms and making connections. On a cultural level, it's knowing how 'tings run'. From a datasheet standpoint, I don't think it's possible to write one to the T, because situations are so dynamic and are intertwined with deliberate bluffs, a chain of unforseen events, hunger and ingenuity. That's my assessment naturally and experiences are going to be different from a local such as kilongy (who knows the ting from the inside out as a local) to a person who may have left as a child or 'barn a farin' and coming back with that 'Western brand of authenticity' to what they bring to the table. Either way, it seems interesting and I only wish for success (for both locals and the investors) to those who bring ventures to the island.

(12-19-2015 09:07 PM)killongy Wrote:  This is where if you want power in jamaica GO AFTER THIS buys as much fertile land as you can put it to work and export to markets that are clammering for jamaican produce, you guys in states are crazy about organic produce and grass fed beef ....you can easily tap into markets over seas.

Given what you posted about the shrimpers, how could you possibly protect acres and acres of land from thieves?

After harvest or after treatment, all of those mangoes would be sitting in some warehouse or processing facility, "ripe for the picking".

WIA

(12-20-2015 09:05 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 09:07 PM)killongy Wrote:  This is where if you want power in jamaica GO AFTER THIS buys as much fertile land as you can put it to work and export to markets that are clammering for jamaican produce, you guys in states are crazy about organic produce and grass fed beef ....you can easily tap into markets over seas.

Given what you posted about the shrimpers, how could you possibly protect acres and acres of land from thieves?

After harvest or after treatment, all of those mangoes would be sitting in some warehouse or processing facility, "ripe for the picking".

WIA

I have actually spoken in length about this with an official.

With regards to aquaculture especially shrimp it's a great investment as the hotels will pay a premium to get it locally because of the strength to the US dollar.

The problems arise with exporting because for it to be commercially viable for exports you have to transform vast amounts of land to produce the volume needed (google shrimp farms to get an idea) and because of this it is hard to police effectively.

For a smaller operation policing would actually be a lot easier,high frequency motion detectors that only dogs can hear, armed guards and dogs imported from Great Britain such as the caucasian shepherd would be ideal.

They would eliminate the need for a fence as these dogs were used in the mountains to guard sheep fend off fight mountain lions and kill wolves they have a natural instinct to guard and protect acres of property. Costs for a pup range from 600 us to 3000 usd, I have seen the facility you would need about 6 with the cost being much lees than actually fencing the facility which is much more expensive and wooded posts with barbwire wouldn't deter the thieves either so think those prison fences with razor wire.

Armed security is quite cheap.

Here is an outline of a feasibility study done here in the 90's which is still incredibly relevant and can go into more detail about not only shrimp but tilapia and other potential types of aquaculture as well explain some of the technical terms and speaks about farming fish in open water vs land to mitigate the expense of land.

Licenses to use the coast unless you have bought the land are reserved for nationals and returning residents only.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/q5739e/Q5739E00.htm#TOC


With regards to harvest and sitting fruits those are quite safe as the guys don't mess with the current exports but will try to ship a couple loads of ganja with the container if you don't have someone "monitoring" things.

It's when the fruits are on the tree you have to worry about as the current method is to tape a pencil flashlight on their wrist and pick as they please because mangoes sell like wildfire out here.

The species of mango would also have to be taken into consideration tommy atkins is ideal as these are what most of the white folks abroad like others such as Julie/east indian/blackie/stringy/#9 it would be hard to fill a 40"container of these as there is not big market for them other and the tree's take years to mature in comparison to tommy atkins that take around 3-5.

Also It would be interesting to know what scale folks are talking about here.

Is it building an empire or retiring to a nice "little setup" to make some income.

My 4 million US figure for land is for commercially viable export volume right off the bat with an highway nearby, electricity supply and freshwater resource that you own and is the most fertile in the island.

There are much cheaper slates of land on the south coasts at dirt cheap prices mostly in St thomas, most fertile in clarendon and some parts of st catherine. St thomas is the poorest parish here but has the most disposable prices for good flat plains of land and freshwater resource nearby that can be gravity pumped and labour would be cheap as they are poverty stricken but the issues are transportation of goods although a new highway built by the chinese runs through the parish.

The parish is practically in the middle of nowhere but has it's own sea port.

I forgot to supply a few examples in my post about the women.

went to school with these girls and this is 4 years post graduation and I
didn't finger pick. Ideal are College freshmen or accept that most hot ones will have a little pudge
compared to their peak HS years as gym culture is very poor here.



Another one from my year

(12-16-2015 05:24 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^ I don't read those forums, I am into the bodybuilding culture but I know what I have to do to maintain a decent physique. I couldn't care less what those dudes say, the only battle I am concerned with is the one in my head.

However, I do read everything. Even racist tripe like Heartsite or Citizen Renegade, it is always good to hear how people think. The site does have some older articles that are quite good and I suggest worth a read.

I also read about "our" history, it didn't start with slaves coming to America. It is so much more than that and there are many inspirational stories. As we speak certain groups are trying to re-write our history and in a few years the "truth" will be harder to find. Every month I try and buy a book from my local black bookstore, talking to the owner it is amazing the things he goes through in running a little bookstore.

Anywhere it ain't black history month yet, so I will chill.

Real Talk I never accepted that our history started with the slave trade but thats
what most school in the caribbean teach and are tested on. It is indeed sad.





I listen to this man religiously...as he speaks the truth and it's funny that many of the worlds
teachings about religion actually came from interpreted material plundered from africa.

Am I running away?

I would really appreciate some of the older gents views.

As a younger male I increasingly feel a guilt as I prepare to leave and explore
other countries, there is a deep feeling that I am committing treason, against my fellow
dark sinned brothers.

Is it normal to feel this way?

Building an Empire here in my country, while I don't have the Capital but I sure will get there, I possess the know how, buttons to push culturally to get things in order and how to setup Joint ventures but is this cause really worth dedicating the vitality of my youth towards because building an empire is no easy task.

Do you older gents regret pursuing other interests instead of being a proponent to unite your fellow brothers such as Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X or Martin Luther King?

RudeBwoy/Excelsior/ATD's posts about breeding with your women and embracing your own people even uniting them.... Is that be the right the thing to do instead of mingling with other cultures?

A lot of open ended questions but I would really appreciate some banter.

(12-21-2015 01:59 AM)killongy Wrote:  Am I running away?

I would really appreciate some of the older gents views.

As a younger male I increasingly feel a guilt as I prepare to leave and explore
other countries, there is a deep feeling that I am committing treason, against my fellow
dark sinned brothers.

Is it normal to feel this way?

Building an Empire here in my country, while I don't have the Capital but I sure will get there, I possess the know how, buttons to push culturally to get things in order and how to setup Joint ventures but is this cause really worth dedicating the vitality of my youth towards because building an empire is no easy task.

Do you older gents regret pursuing other interests instead of being a proponent to unite your fellow brothers such as Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X or Martin Luther King?

RudeBwoy/Excelsior/ATD's posts about breeding with your women and embracing your own people even uniting them.... Is that be the right the thing to do instead of mingling with other cultures?

A lot of open ended questions but I would really appreciate some banter.

Nonsense. You can't change the world, but you can change you. You want to make things better? Start on yourself.

Of course you can change the world.

Lee Kuan Yew turned a backwater into a economic powerhouse during his life.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/wor...erer=&_r=0

Your questions are more about nation building than personal empire building. And whether travel and women are distractions from that.

Only of they greatly interfere with what you want to do.

WIA

Kilongy - Travelling allows you to mix with other cultures and learn about people. I love to travel because it makes me appreciate what I have back home and what I don't have. I encourage any young man to travel, that goes double for black men.
Someone with your knowledge and mindset can make things happen, for example your knowledge of agriculture in Jamaica could easily turn into you exporting goods to other countries. Foreigners are coming to Jamaica and taking advantage of the great things the country has to offer, I understand the Japanese own Blue Mountain coffee or have large stakes in it. I was reading how coffee consumption will increase in the UK over the next few years, there are many countries that would pay for Jamaican coffee and pay a premium price as well.
You could easily be the broker or the middle man for these types of business deals.

I also mentioned before about opening a Jamaican restaurant in a foreign country, I will be in touch with you to talk more about this.

In regards to women, the obvious thing is to meet one that is compatible to you. It doesn't matter if she is from Azerbijan or Uganda, you have no duty to the race. I have been very close to walking down the aisle, the last girl was Hungarian and set the bar very high. Yes in a ideal world, a black woman would be best but sadly many I meet have their own issues. I mean in a ideal world she would look like the girls in the black rakishness thread, but we don't live in a ideal world.

Quote:Do you older gents regret pursuing other interests instead of being a proponent to unite your fellow brothers such as Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X or Martin Luther King?

That is a noble endeavor without doubt but the world is not what it used to be. Right after the end World War II the world was in still in turmoil like a highly impressionable 15 tear old with an identity crisis. As a result, in the 50's, 60's and 70's ... movements, rebellions, radical ideas, grassroots ideologies etc ... were much easier to start and more likely to take off than now. We currently live in a highly globalized, inter-connnected and despite what many like to believe, highly stable world. Nation changing or building is a thousand times harder and in my opinion not worth the effort.

Quote:As a younger male I increasingly feel a guilt as I prepare to leave and explore other countries, there is a deep feeling that I am committing treason, against my fellow dark sinned brothers.

It is natural to feel that way. But the only way you can help others is by becoming a champion yourself. One of the nurses who works for my father went to school in Virginia but moved back home because he wanted to "help his country and people". Guy was raised old school by feudal Ethiopian values.

Let's see ... a registered nurse in the US can easily hit 100k a year after 5-10 years of experience. Back home he makes exactly $5,000 a year. So 5% what he would make in the states. You can live an okay life with that salary back home. But extrapolating that income over years and years ... he fucked up big time.

On top of foregoing an immensely superior quality of life, he also threw away the opportunity to make it to the Ethiopian upper class. Even if he did not invest and create jobs ... him going back home twice a year and spending his US Dollars would have stimulated the economy more than his gay ass nursing job. Now some stupid country boy from the Southern Ethiopia who works at 7-11 in Canada comes back home and has higher social status than him. Kindness is a virtue but there is no room for self-sacrifice in the modern world.

Get rid of that guilt once and for all. Do what you gotta do.

Quote:Building an Empire here in my country, while I don't have the Capital but I sure will get there, I possess the know how, buttons to push culturally to get things in order and how to setup Joint ventures but is this cause really worth dedicating the vitality of my youth towards because building an empire is no easy task.

Only you can answer that question. Not everybody is cut out for business. I for one am not business savvy and would get eaten alive in direct competition back home.

But i can leverage my strengths and still become part of the upper/ruling/ elite class without taking unnecessary risks and engaging in activities i have no natural talent for. Earning 100-200 k in America is not too hard to pull and something i can do relatively easily without jumping into piranha infested business waters. You said you run an online business. Play to your strengths and maximize that potential.

Then move back home and carve out your own little paradise. The Empire builders and big dogs will be your neigbors. You'll dine at the same spots they do and fuck with the same bitches. Your kids will be friends at school. This way you avoid a lot of the hassle while cashing out on the best the"3rd world royalty lifestyle" has to offer.

Empires are hard to build. Much easier in the 3rd world but still hard. You can't build an Empire without conquering s small province first. That's what i love about Rudebwoy's Jamaican Restaurant. Simple yet brilliant idea. I have never seen a Jamaican restaurant outside of New York, Toronto, Florida or London.

Jamaica is unique in that it is not only a country ... but an international brand worth straight up paper. The Louis Vuitton of coolness. Despite being a tiny island with less than 3 million people ... I could walk through a rice field in rural Vietnam and ask a 12 year old if he's heard of Jamaica and he'll say yes. Some old lady in Ayia Napa, Cyprus who could not have been younger than 65 gave me a smile , thumbs up and screamed " Jamaiiiiicaaa!!" when she saw my necklace with the Ethiopian colors and Lion of Judah on it. No other 3rd world country except maybe Brazil sports such name recognition.

I'm sure a Jamaican restaurant will do well anywhere but will do particularly well in high consumption cultures like Japan, Korea Australia , Canada and the US. Once that becomes successful expanding it to a worldwide Jamaican chain akin to Brazilian Churascaria houses like Texas de Brasil should not be too hard. High end spot with Calypso music in the background, free shot of Island Rum for every customer, servers with dreadlocks and tribal necklaces, real white sand, palm trees and a stream inside. The opportunity to leave a legacy.

For guys new to business, import/export is the best way to break in like Killongy stated. You don't necessarily need to own the mango, shrimp or what have you farm. You're just the middle man facilitating exchange between the foreign buyer and the local producer. And we all know that whether it's coffee, cocoa or fucking ganja ... the middle men make the most money without producing anything or assuming a lot of the risk. Be the middle man. Quick money until you can take over with mega capital.

There are several ways to skin the cat and working on your business/craft/career does not have to come at the expense of your youth or travel. The key lies in determining your personal strengths and maximizing them.

^Easy nah man!

Great post, but damn you are giving away too much information.

You know what's up and how easy tings can run.

I have been doxxed, most likely by a local
who sent my information to a well known local/abroad gossip heckler,
it hasn't gone viral on whats app yet but my post was read over the air.

Be careful my brothers, haters are everywhere and anywhere.

I sent an email to the admin to hopefully have my presence removed but I am quitting my job and moving to a different part of the island as I can't leave until my passport is cleared.

Be careful of what you share.

killongy out.

Damn son.

WIA

(12-21-2015 05:37 PM)killongy Wrote:  I have been doxxed, most likely by a local
who sent my information to a well known local/abroad gossip heckler,
it hasn't gone viral on whats app yet but my post was read over the air.

Be careful my brothers, haters are everywhere and anywhere.

I sent an email to the admin to hopefully have my presence removed but I am quitting my job and moving to a different part of the island as I can't leave until my passport is cleared.

Be careful of what you share.

killongy out.

Well thanks for sharing all that you did. I'm sure you inspired a few lurkers and a few members as well.

-CD

This is an interesting interview. It's about a black woman from NYC
who moved to Ghana and has lived there for the past 25 years...




The only caveat is that she moved with her husband
when she was 50. This is her quote..."I like America, but I love Africa"

It's a pretty good interview.

Some great posts over the last week, with great insights.

I like to wish everyone reading this the best for the holiday season and for the coming year.

We will return with the show in the new year, get ready because we are going to drop it hard.

Blessed!

We have sorted out audio issues and we are ready to move forward. Please post questions that you would like answered.

Also, we are looking for some guys from the Caribbean that can give some further input on game from a West Indian perspective. Ideally, if they are in the Caribbean or freshly removed (last 2 years or so). Is it different from what I imagined?

kilongy was dropping some gems for sure.

I'd like for you guys to discuss more of the interactions of black guys(of all backgrounds) in night club scenes. Just recently I had a tinder date who came with her friend to a night club. A brother there I didn't know was ready to wing on the fly even though her friend wasn't attractive. I noticed other things like this as well, no matter the country. Other times I noticed brothers being in the token black guy role, being very defensive towards me when I come around "their" group. Would be cool to discuss.

-CD

^ I have had mixed reviews, some guys have been butthurt and some have been cool.

We will discuss on the next show.

(01-04-2016 05:25 PM)coverdoc Wrote:  I'd like for you guys to discuss more of the interactions of black guys(of all backgrounds) in night club scenes. Just recently I had a tinder date who came with her friend to a night club. A brother there I didn't know was ready to wing on the fly even though her friend wasn't attractive. I noticed other things like this as well, no matter the country. Other times I noticed brothers being in the token black guy role, being very defensive towards me when I come around "their" group. Would be cool to discuss.

-CD

- black clubs
- hipster clubs
- high end white clubs
- international clubs latin edition
- international clubs arab/persian/indian/mediterrean clubs

And what stereotype do you fall into
- homie from around the way, that looks like a rap video extra
- flashy baller/rap video star
- that one cool black guy in IT
- over dressed black guy
- athlete
- dancer
- Straight from Kinshasa
- One of them black guys with an accent

And what chicks are you targeting
- the super ivory white girls
- the down ass white girls with big hoop earrings
- trashy red neck white girls that can't dress
- super gullible suburban white girls not size 0 enough to get in the sorority
- the earth mama granola white girls
- the badu black girls
- the sisters with weave and wigs bad attitudes and fat asses
- fresh off the boat Asians who read the flier wrong
- club queens and bottle rats
- 2nd generation Latina/Asian/Immigrant that's thoroughly Americanized but not white enough to deal with white guys
- Jewish cougars who want that mandingo and will set you up right...
- to infinity

A deductive/top down approach to the night club game is not how you approach the night.

An inductive, bottom up development of night game is necessary.

That means putting in work. I don't know anybody that I would call good at game that hasn't put in hundreds of hours into night club game. I also know a lot of regular guys that been going to the "club" for years and don't have much to show for it.

You need a plan.

WIA

Got Damn Archie got tired just reading all that Exactly why you're a Heavyweight around here! Just reading that made me go over the basics in my head . Sometime you got to remind yourself to always be breaking down on what type of chiks are you spitting Game at.

(01-04-2016 06:05 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  Got Damn Archie got tired just reading all that Exactly why you're a Heavyweight around here! Just reading that made me go over the basics in my head . Sometime you got to remind yourself to always be breaking down on what type of chiks are you spitting Game at.

Know yourself, and learn about others.

Folks focus on the latter, but who you are is a bottomless ocean. Cats barely touch on their own potential.

I know I do, and I know this shit chapter and verse.

WIA

Damn Archie, you always got me thinking, man. You dissect this game from a technical level...the manual to the whole thing..jeez!

Coverdoc, I think I understand exactly what you're saying. A lot of dudes just go out to size other dudes up with no intention of talking to any girls, I was probably guilty of the same thing when I first started hitting the clubs. Usually the first thing I do when I go out is buy a drink then head straight to the dance floor and make my approaches from there. I always chat up a girl a little bit then ask her to dance before I even think about asking for a number or anything.

Also, I don't go to any club/event that doesn't play the type of music I like. For example, you won't catch me at bluegrass country festival because even if I'm drunk my mood would probably be shit cause I'm not having fun dancing, socializing, etc. Being a bit tipsy with some good music always gets me going. And I'm usually at a black club or a very mixed club with that plays hip hop music with the occasional pop stuff thrown in. Most of the time it's a younger crowd between the ages of 18-27 and never anything too expensive like with bottle service or waitresses.

Been mulling over a post about what female sexual motivations.

What a player can focus on to influence
- Primal
- Social
- Psychological

AND

Things that entirely about her and have nothing to do with you.

Any one seeing where I'm going?

For us, I think there's a bit of nuance from a general model.

WIA