Post: #126

(03-09-2012 07:17 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  Beta Friend 2:
-Super funny guy with above-average height and some looks-potential
-Stops being funny the moment a girl in the vicinity
-Horrible cockblocker; climbs over you to talk to girl(s) you open
-Hovers around your approaches; creeps out prospects
-Sometimes makes jokes, at your expense, to your approaches
-Yet somehow always meeting super-cute girls; doesn't know what do
-Implores you for advice on getting them
-Has the audacity to then argue with you about your solid, proven game
-Finally accepts that you're right
-Never implements any of your advice
-Habitually friend-zoned, LJBF'd
-Gets mad when you swoop up girls in his circles that he's been crushing
-Got laid like 18 months ago, after a several-year drought

This sounds like me when I was going through hater mode at one point before I got out and made my social circle while I was getting tired of the suburbs. It stings and hits so close to home you don't have any idea man

Post: #127

I know one Australian guy who would have done very well outside of the West. An upright and intelligent guy, always worked hard, picked a good specialty and appeared to be making good money, fair-hair and eyes, taller than 6ft, very extroverted with people he knows, and OK physical appearance. The specialty was in high global demand, especially to someone at his level, and positions were frequently given in many countries to expats.

He never appeared to get laid whatsoever (he just spent his spare time at home playing with hobbies), never talked to new girls etc. He ended up, I assume by pure chance, bumping into this one chick he finally got with, then stayed with her. She is butt-ugly, like his competition for her would have been zero. To take a wild guess at the number ladder, maybe 2 or 3 depending on how important face is to you. Based on precedent in Asia, he would have been able to land cute or at least decent girls if he had merely worked a bit on approaching and dating.

A little while ago he did end up landing a job overseas. He took her with him.

Post: #128

One of my closest friends at university.

No sense of fashion. Still dresses like he is in school. Doesn't spend any money on new clothes and generally doesn't know how to dress.

Bad grooming. Hair, skin, beard is a mess, and rarely takes care of it. Has acne on his face but avoids the treatments to take care of it.

Doesn't go out. Prefers staying inside on a Friday and Saturday night. Doesn't go out, even when I try convincing him. Thus by default, doesn't talk to many girls.

On top of all of that he is traditionally a "nice guy".

Post: #129

One of my housemates hasn't gotten any in at least 4 years and that was a drunken one night stand with a wasted fatty. I think that's the only time he's had sex.

- He started going bald at 19 and now he's very thin on top but doesn't even bother to get the rest cut. It ends up looking a bit like a Mr Burns haircut.

- He grows an impressive beard but doesn't even attempt to tame it and thus looks homeless.

- He is impressively, even ludicrously, strong for someone who has never seen the inside of a gym. The guy isn't tall but he must weigh at least 250 lbs. Some of it is fat (he eats absurd amounts of fried foods, enough to feed three men) but he doesn't look fat or muscular, he's just...big.

- He dresses like a dick. Not just a lack of dress sense but actively awful. I now refuse to accompany him to the local shop because he's started wearing a too small multi-coloured Nintendo character t-shirt, luminous pink shorts, brown socks pulled up all the way to his knees, and filthy 'white' trainers. He looks like a circus attraction it's insane.

- He smells. For such a big guy who does a manual labour job, he washes incredibly infrequently. It's repulsive and since the only girl in our house moved out he's stopped listening to pleas to clean himself. But it's kind of a blessing because..

- He makes everything around him filthy. Every time he uses the shower I have to clean it afterwards before I use it. He's a slob and he leaves half eaten food, dirty socks, stains, rubbish, and general shit everywhere he goes.

- He's really pleasant to everyone to a fault, except when he is drinking or on drugs (speed or MDMA usually), at which point he becomes an intolerable arsehole who can't understand why girls are getting offended by his 'banter'.

- Has one female friend who he occasionally makes out with. She's kind of pretty but has a 3/10 body. She's a virgin in her mid 20s. She can't decide whether she wants to lose her cherry to him or whether she finds him disgusting. The whole situation is fucking weird.

(Side note - I once kissed her and she tried to get me to fuck her. What can I say, I was smashed and she was wearing nice perfume. Boys will be boys)

Honestly I could go on for pages about how the guy is an abject failure of a man. It's a shame because he's got potential in buckets and he's actually pretty funny. Something in him though has broken and he's got a huge lack of self respect or pride, or maybe just a misplaced idea of it.

The rest of my housemates are cool, interesting, upstanding dudes. It's a damn fucking shame.

Post: #130

I'll go:

- Guy smoked weed on the regular though I think he's cut down that now that he's in the army (some guys have pointed out that what a lot of these guys in this thread have in common is their constant smoking though as a counterpoint it seems like a lot of the naturals that get laid seem to use weed to both get a girl back to their place and/or to get her ready for the bang after she's already there)

- Probably the strongest pound for pound guy I know. He's been a gym rat since he was in high school and puts pretty ridiculous numbers on weights. He's also a blue belt in BJJ and a former high school wrestler. I've seen him throw around other athletic guys that outweigh him by like 30 lbs like it was nothing.

- Was addicted to World of Warcraft in college but somehow was still getting mostly As. He would study as he was playing the game. He was a psychology major though so that explains it a lot. He was 15 credits (basically one semester) away from graduating but for some reason decided to leave school. He ended up working a few temp jobs for a while before eventually joining the army. He never gave a reason about why he stopped school when he was so close despite me and other people asking him.

- Watches porn on the regular - actually had a Brazzer membership despite there being plenty of free porn available on the internet. I don't remember the details but at some point during basic where all the recruits got their phones back I think told me about how he would go off base to jerk off to his phone.

- Has only had one girlfriend in his life as far as I know. It happened during our first semester in college. He started going out with some girl in his dorm and within one week she was telling him that he was spending too much time in the gym and training BJJ too much. The relationship lasted 2 weeks.

- Shows pretty much zero interest in dating or even just getting a fuck buddy despite his parents pushing him to get one and one of our mutual friends teasing him about it. The mutual friend also pointed out to me that he's never ever seen him make a comment about some chick being hot like the way we all would. He's definitely not asexual since he does watch porn and beat off but at the same time he seems to have no interest in sex with an actual girl.

- He's Latino and due to Latino machismo his dad was actually actively trying to get him laid when he was a teen. At one point his dad was even trying to get him to hit on his cousin and gave him some perfume to give to her and some lame line to use. When he (rightfully)pointed out it was weird for him to try to bang his cousin his dad said something along the lines of "What's wrong - i'm starting to get worried that you're a fag".

Post: #131

I just realized my friend is pretty much what MGTOWs long to be. MGTOWs talk a big game about not paying women any heed and avoiding any sort of relationship with them but given how they constantly on and on about them it's clear that they haven't "gone their own way" and are still obsessed with women. My friend simply doesn't care. He has his hobbies (weight lifting, grappling/wrestling, vidya games) and his job in the army and that pretty much keeps him satisfied. I pretty much never see him complain about his lack of relationships with women or about how "women are just looking for the bad boy/alpha/etc." It's simply a non-issue for him.

He is pretty anti-feminism though and even more so after he's joined the army and seeing the behavior of the female soldiers around him (ie. getting pregnant just before being deployed to get out of their deployment, constant whining in basic whenever they would have to do anything physically asserting and such) His complains about women have more to do with their incompetence and entitlement rather then them not wanting to bang him.

Post: #132

One of my closest friends:

-Lawyer, very over-analytical, matter-of-fact speaker. Asks serious questions way too fast after 1-3 dates, makes girls feel icky

-Doesn't smile enough, often has an angry look on his face. Puts out a negative vibe.

-Has low-self esteem on account of years of negative reinforcement. Says things to girls that demonstrate insecurity and instantly turns them off. A few times, I think he's inadvertently Gamed himself out of a woman because he gets insecure if they don't return his call within X hours and then sends them a threatening text, or a matter-of-fact/try-hard message asking if they want to see him again.

-So-so fashion sense, but it's been improving the past few years.

-He's Asian-American, obsessed with all-American sporty white girls. I've told him bluntly more than once he by default has no cards to play to this demographic, but could marginally improve his chances if he drops the negative vibe, gets more ripped/sporty, and "stop being such a lawyer" when he gets into convos with them on dates. I've also encouraged him to open his mind to Asian women, that not all of them are so "cookie-cutter", or consider foreign women (Polish, Korean, Mexican, etc) but he's close-minded to this.

Post: #133

(11-29-2015 06:01 AM)Wutang Wrote:  I'll go:

- Guy smoked weed on the regular though I think he's cut down that now that he's in the army (some guys have pointed out that what a lot of these guys in this thread have in common is their constant smoking though as a counterpoint it seems like a lot of the naturals that get laid seem to use weed to both get a girl back to their place and/or to get her ready for the bang after she's already there)

- Probably the strongest pound for pound guy I know. He's been a gym rat since he was in high school and puts pretty ridiculous numbers on weights. He's also a blue belt in BJJ and a former high school wrestler. I've seen him throw around other athletic guys that outweigh him by like 30 lbs like it was nothing.

- Was addicted to World of Warcraft in college but somehow was still getting mostly As. He would study as he was playing the game. He was a psychology major though so that explains it a lot. He was 15 credits (basically one semester) away from graduating but for some reason decided to leave school. He ended up working a few temp jobs for a while before eventually joining the army. He never gave a reason about why he stopped school when he was so close despite me and other people asking him.

- Watches porn on the regular - actually had a Brazzer membership despite there being plenty of free porn available on the internet. I don't remember the details but at some point during basic where all the recruits got their phones back I think told me about how he would go off base to jerk off to his phone.

- Has only had one girlfriend in his life as far as I know. It happened during our first semester in college. He started going out with some girl in his dorm and within one week she was telling him that he was spending too much time in the gym and training BJJ too much. The relationship lasted 2 weeks.

- Shows pretty much zero interest in dating or even just getting a fuck buddy despite his parents pushing him to get one and one of our mutual friends teasing him about it. The mutual friend also pointed out to me that he's never ever seen him make a comment about some chick being hot like the way we all would. He's definitely not asexual since he does watch porn and beat off but at the same time he seems to have no interest in sex with an actual girl.

- He's Latino and due to Latino machismo his dad was actually actively trying to get him laid when he was a teen. At one point his dad was even trying to get him to hit on his cousin and gave him some perfume to give to her and some lame line to use. When he (rightfully)pointed out it was weird for him to try to bang his cousin his dad said something along the lines of "What's wrong - i'm starting to get worried that you're a fag".

Mostly likely your friend is gay and he's watching gay porn. The subscription to the nude mag was just a front.
Every guy I know like that has eventually turned out to be gay.

Post: #134

(03-09-2012 06:09 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  So we have dudes running around here that are on lifelong dryspells. One comes to mind named Will. this dude falls in love with every girl he meets then go full insane beta. When she rejects him he tries to commit suicide. He jumped on the high voltage power transfer lines once and it shot a bolt of electrical threw his body then to the ground and lived. I saw the newspaper article.

This dude wacks off so much he gives himself STDs and goes to the clinic. True.

Please explain to us all of his suicide attempts and what happened after those attempts.

Also explain what STDs he gets despite strangely not getting them through having sex. I never knew you could give yourself STDs. That's like the guy who died from wanking 42 times without stopping.

Post: #135

He's an internationally ranked League of Legends player and a top video game reviewer on Steam and Amazon. He was raised by his grandmother with a combination of Southern Baptist shaming and benign neglect. He is about 5'10'' and I'd approximate about 250 lbs, down from 400ish over the last year as he has started to exercise and watch his food more carefully. He is aware that his personality, super nice guy and very passive and shy with women, is unattractive to women but claims he falls into a sort of social paralysis around women he is attracted to.

And this is his biggest problem and reason he has only ever experienced professional companionship. He has legit nerd-celebrity in the right circles and I've known multiple nerd girls that were genuinely into him, but his physical standards for women are absurdly high. As such, he hires pros about once or twice a year at the League of Legends nationals in Vegas. He doesn't go for the reasonably priced ones either, the last two years in a row he has spent almost all the money he wins on fancy Vegas hookers. I'm talking 10-20k per visit. Its the only way he can have sex and not compromise his physical requirements. He drinks very little and doesn't gamble at all. The girls are of course experts and getting him to buy them presents and otherwise spend his money beyond their service fee. Turns out, there are actually prostitutes who specialize in separating nerds from their cash, usually Asians, who study up on nerd/gamer culture and travel around to video game tournaments and conventions that host rare & valuable memorabilia auctions, looking for shy but well paid nerds to take to the cleaners.

He genuinely does want to be a relationship, and his exercising over the past year actually has made some progress for him. He also bought one of those little Japanese cars that go like 200mph. (a Nissan GTR I think). His personality has torpedo'd every date he has managed to arrange. His thirst is palpable and his servile and deferential treatment of these women turns them off strongly. He's been told LJBF so much in the last year we sometimes call him the Emir of Friendzoneistan. I actually heard a girl say to his face "You need to get back in the friendzone" when he tried to awkwardly flirt with her. She is currently dating a biker 12 years her senior (and a personal friend of mine) who treats her like she is wait staff and has actually thrown her out of his trailer for interrupting while he is playing Forza. She says she's never been happier.

The good news is he has dialed the thirst back recently and focused on fitness and his career. Before he turns 30 (he's 24 now) I'd like to give him a copy of the Rational Male. If he keeps getting promoted and winning more video game tournament money hes going to have a huge target on his back. He also stands to inherit a good amount when his grandmother dies as her sole heir.

Post: #136

(12-01-2015 09:16 AM)tynamite Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 06:09 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  So we have dudes running around here that are on lifelong dryspells. One comes to mind named Will. this dude falls in love with every girl he meets then go full insane beta. When she rejects him he tries to commit suicide. He jumped on the high voltage power transfer lines once and it shot a bolt of electrical threw his body then to the ground and lived. I saw the newspaper article.

This dude wacks off so much he gives himself STDs and goes to the clinic. True.

Please explain to us all of his suicide attempts and what happened after those attempts.

Also explain what STDs he gets despite strangely not getting them through having sex. I never knew you could give yourself STDs. That's like the guy who died from wanking 42 times without stopping.

Why do you want to know? The std was an infection probably from an allergic reaction from using stupid household items as lube.

Post: #137

(12-01-2015 09:04 PM)Mikan Wrote:  Turns out, there are actually prostitutes who specialize in separating nerds from their cash, usually Asians, who study up on nerd/gamer culture and travel around to video game tournaments and conventions that host rare & valuable memorabilia auctions, looking for shy but well paid nerds to take to the cleaners.

Any more details on this? I'm morbidly curious about this. Do these hookers pretend to be into geek culture in order to make themselves more relate-able to these guys or is it something else?

Post: #138

I'll tell you about the biggest loser I know.

This guy has been in and out of mental hospital several times. Lives off disability benefits. Right now he's in there again. Has an eternal victim complex and thinks the world owes him one. Always goes on about how shit his life is but isn't willing to put in the work to drag himself out of his hole. Spends most of his money on drugs and then tries to sponge off friends and family for basic things he should have taken care of already. Goes through these cycles of improving and then it all crashes again. Just before he went back in he'd gotten his own place (a decent flat courtesy of the government) with reduced rent costs and he still fucked it up.

Does pretty badly with women too. Its interesting though. He has clear manipulative and sociopathic tendencies that tick the dark triad boxes. Isn't such a bad looking guy and could brush up alright if he made the slightest effort with appearance and hygiene (but doesn't want to cause that's "gay"). Has some alpha-ish qualities (entitlement and (superficial) confidence) that would make you think he'd do alright, though inside he's no doubt a raging tempest of regret and insecurity constantly hamsterizing away his shitty life choices to the outside world. Comes from an upper class background and no doubt had all the opportunities and encouragement in the world to be someone. When I first met him I was drawn to the confidence and attitude he projected as it inspired some confidence in me that I wasn't getting from my other friends at the time. If he wasn't for the fact that he fucked me over a bunch of times and that his life is basically a mess, I'd be cool with him still. One of the people I've had to cut out of my life as merely knowing them was affecting me negatively, let alone spending any time around them. When someone is that messed up its almost like you can feel the chaos radiating from them, and it is not healthy.

Last I heard he was seeing some repulsive homeless woman and essentially idolizing her while she leeches money off him. Is probably happy with this situation as he's probably getting some action.

Post: #139

Met this guy in college. Still a close friend to this day. Played sports together. He is 6ft tall, good looking, and dresses well. He was a virgin when he entered college and had/has no game whatsoever.

Whenever we went out, he always had girls coming up and talking to him. They seemed to respond well while he talked with them. There were very attractive girls that came up to me and asked me what he was all about. Girls were literally throwing themselves at him and he would never take them home.

We always asked him about it and he always replied with one of the few explanations:

"She wasn't that attractive." (most common one used)
"I was too drunk."
"She was too drunk."

My friends and I could not understand why he passed on so much ass. We started to think he was gay until we saw him make out with a couple girls at parties.

I assumed this guy had no confidence in bed since he kept passing up all these women. The man also had very high standards. There was no woman that he thought was a total smoke show that he wanted to sleep with. The school I went to had very attractive southern belles who liked to drink and look good when they went out so there was no shortage of women he could have picked up.

Wonder if he is still like that now? Need to hit him up to go out one weekend.

Post: #140

My pal is to the far right of the bell curve (this guy might have an IQ of 145-150) but speaks to girls in such a logical way that it becomes comic. He once tried to pick up a cute underage brunette girl (19? 20?) at a bar by telling her "My testosterone levels are extremely high".

Post: #141

Total loser. Got kicked out of the military. Got fired from Wal-Mart. Lives at home. Smoked a roach once and the cops found him running down the street in his underwear. Calls me once in a while to tell me his horrible business ideas.

I got him a job and he got fired.

I tried to help him talk to girls.

I tried to motivate him to get out of his parents' house.

He's probably better off living at home but it sure does make me sad.

Post: #142

Think a guy like you have described above needs to concentrate on other stuff before approaching girls. Such as finding a decent job, working hard, finding a group of good lads to become friends with and have fun.

Once he gets into the routine of working hard to earn a living, having good mates to go out with- approaching girls will be easier because he will be happier within himself.

Just my opinion

Post: #143

I feel like out of all my friends im probably the one who gets laid the least. To be fair though my friends are all very good looking and most have have between 20 to 30 notches. It can definitely get very frustrating at times because I have to work 5x as hard for half the success they have. One thing is im quite overweight so hopefully after getting more fit things will be better.

Post: #144

(01-20-2016 06:03 PM)Jazzman92 Wrote:  I feel like out of all my friends im probably the one who gets laid the least. To be fair though my friends are all very good looking and most have have between 20 to 30 notches. It can definitely get very frustrating at times because I have to work 5x as hard for half the success they have. One thing is im quite overweight so hopefully after getting more fit things will be better.

If you are "quite overweight" as you manage to become fitter and transition to a healthier weight, your energy will improve, your outlook on life will improve, your self-confidence will improve. All things that are necessary to lift the "5x work" burden. Honestly, if they're good looking and you're quite overweight, I'm surprised the amount of work you have to put in is only 5x in comparison.

Keep at it. You're the only one in the way of where you want to be, but you're also the one who can get you there. Nobody else can truly stand in your way.

Post: #145

I never really considered any of my friends as dudes who don't get laid, but there is one guy who has been brought to my attention recently after meeting an ex of his and her friend for chicken on a stick the other day.

The good about him, he can speak 3 languages fluently. He’s never been fired from a job and knows how to work hard. He’s an all right dude who I would happily invite to any event or party that I host.

On the flip side, he’s fanatical about sports teams, does the whole “my X team won!” to a far too personalized degree. He’s a bit overweight, I would put him around 22% body fat, and has 0 desire to lift or live more healthily. That and his game style is friend game.

He dated the girl I met and I heard from her they never did anything, dude has no aggressiveness. And the reason I was reminded of this was that the dude still calls her from time to time to complain about how he can’t get girls. She even told him how he is just too nice. Needs to show some selfishness for what he wants etc etc.

Now I like the dude, and have tried to advise him begin by lifting weights when he makes comments about getting no girls and asking what he should do. Back when I myself was a game denialist, I would still listen to my friends stories and learn from them. Figuring that he would at least get ideas from stories I’ve shared with him some of the tamer ones that I have. Rather than gleaning anything useful from them he replies with “Man I wish I was white.” Dude could be slaying the higher level J-girls here as I honestly think Asian guys have better chances with the high shelf J-girls vs the average white dude. A notion understood by all in this country. However, he prefers to wallow in self-pity and assign blame to the now nonexistent white-god-factor.

Did I mention even his ex was enthusiastically asking me to give him advice on how to get girls? I had to explain how you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.

Post: #146

(12-15-2015 02:23 PM)Remington Wrote:  Met this guy in college. Still a close friend to this day. Played sports together. He is 6ft tall, good looking, and dresses well. He was a virgin when he entered college and had/has no game whatsoever.

Whenever we went out, he always had girls coming up and talking to him. They seemed to respond well while he talked with them. There were very attractive girls that came up to me and asked me what he was all about. Girls were literally throwing themselves at him and he would never take them home.

We always asked him about it and he always replied with one of the few explanations:

"She wasn't that attractive." (most common one used)
"I was too drunk."
"She was too drunk."

My friends and I could not understand why he passed on so much ass. We started to think he was gay until we saw him make out with a couple girls at parties.

I assumed this guy had no confidence in bed since he kept passing up all these women. The man also had very high standards. There was no woman that he thought was a total smoke show that he wanted to sleep with. The school I went to had very attractive southern belles who liked to drink and look good when they went out so there was no shortage of women he could have picked up.

Wonder if he is still like that now? Need to hit him up to go out one weekend.

Do you reckon the guy could be gay?

Post: #147

It's a tie between my best friend from freshman year and me.

Both of us used to have a pretty good crew of guys around to party with, but since then they're all either tied down with their bitch gfs or dropped out of school. So out of that social circle, it's just me and this guy left. I'm pretty newb at game, but I at least have red pill knowledge and can read girls pretty well. He has none, and every time I try to drop some wisdom he argues me on it. He's all set on finding "the one" and still complains about a 9 he went on a couple dates with two years ago, but he couldn't seal the deal and she found someone else.

His advantage over me: Better looking, probably in better physical shape. Has cooler hobbies (has a motorcycle that girls seem to be interested in).
My advantage over him: Way larger social circle. We're in the same program at uni where I know almost everyone and he knows almost nobody. I have enough money to go out a couple times a week, whereas he's flat broke.

It's kind of interesting how my active game is way better (far from perfect) but his passive game is way better (again, far from perfect). Just proof that you need both to consistently get girls.

Post: #148

My 2 best buddys who I spend 90% of my guy time with are both virgins. One is 26 and the other 23, and they each have taken very different paths to their advanced levels of virginhood.

Friend 1 is a fairly in shape, good looking guy with a good job in accounting and a guy Iv spent countless hours sharing red pill knowledge and resources with, and he has bought in completely. His appearance and demeaner though scream beta as he is white-chinese mix with glasses and the accounting thing going on which makes it hard for him in the dating market. He has been set up with trickle down pussy from friends of girls iv banged and didnt end up banging this fairly attractive chick because he had no condom(i know he lives to regret this decision,as he settled for and was elated at the time by his first titty suckle).

Friend 2 is the classic gamer beta who I pass game knowledge to and he is very receptive but I know he has a part of him that doesnt believe and and that being "honorable" will land him is special snowflake, he has never been on a date and would never even come to bars or places to meet woman as he's rather sit at home and game. I recently got him out of his shell and go out with him to bars where he recently got his first kiss from a chick on the dance floor. He has a huge physical gift in being like 6'4 but just does not know how to properly flirt and build attraction and escalate, as he has never had a date and I know deep down his programing is telling him to be a gentle understanding simp around girls. Even once he starts getting dates hopefully soon, he will have a long road to learning lessons the hard way and being repeatedly friendzoned until the red pill message is hammered home for good.

Post: #149

Asian friend who is very smart, social, in shape but smaller build.

He doesn't escalate and isn't bold enough to take the first step.

I think there's 2 categories of guys who don't get laid
1. Fucking weirdos
2. Guys who don't approach or make moves

And honestly, even the fucking weirdos get laid sometimes. All my friends who are virgins in their 20s are virgins due to being #2. Some are even in better shape than me or better looking, but it doesn't matter since they don't apply it