Post: #51

Why is everyone here so salty all the time?

My classmate got offered a job in China at a factory doing quality control for an American contractor that manufactured something whose name I forgot. He did not take the job. Another guy was offered a job in Guangzhou at a chemical plant. He did take the job. Then the lady in my apartment complex who spends ~6 months a year in Abu Dabi doing consulting for climate change initiatives.

Post: #52

OK. Thanks

It's probably the whole 'red pill' thing, causes a low tolerance for bullshit or possible bullshitting.

Post: #53

Can anyone recommend any websites/channels through which one can conduct a search for overseas opportunities for engineers?

Post: #54

Petroleum Engineering is very well paid. However, the demand for electrical engineers is quite good here in the UK and Mechanical Engineering is also where the money is at if you graduated from a good uni, chemical engineering is also good. Civil Engineers are finding it hard to break into jobs, I know a couple who are jobless unfortunately.

The salary in the US is far greater than the salary here for Engineers in the UK.

However, Engineering is a good degree, you can move into finance, banking, management and do other graduate degree's, so its definitely one of the best degree's to study.

Post: #55

Im a mining engineer.

I work Asia/Pacific fly in, flu out around gold mines, copper mines, coal etc.

Its a tough lifestyle, long hours in shit holes but the money is huge.

Only the mentally tough guys can thrive in this industry.

Most are divorced, alcoholic hard assed guys that usually have a condo in Thailand set up with a P2P and a big screen TV.

Its a great job for travel, and the cash opens up opportunities to live an amazing life.

Almost impossible to have a normal LTR.

Women find the engineering stigma boring, non-cool and think you are a aspie social retard. But they dig the fat stacks of cash you have.

Post: #56

Quote:Women find the engineering stigma boring, non-cool and think you are a aspie social retard. But they dig the fat stacks of cash you have.

The best way to get over this is to mention what field you work in but not what your position is. It's a classic example of "doing the opposite." Normal guys will throw the engineer brag at girls as soon as possible.

Wrong!

Do the opposite and talk about your industry first and foremost. "Oh I work in xyz field doing yada yada..." then let her find out you are an xyz engineer later.

Hell there's a great example right here.

(11-22-2015 02:27 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Im a mining engineer.

I work Asia/Pacific fly in, flu out around gold mines, copper mines, coal etc.

Its a tough lifestyle, long hours in shit holes but the money is huge.

Only the mentally tough guys can thrive in this industry.

Most are divorced, alcoholic hard assed guys that usually have a condo in Thailand set up with a P2P and a big screen TV.

Its a great job for travel, and the cash opens up opportunities to live an amazing life.

Almost impossible to have a normal LTR.

Post: #57

Network Engineer.

I've talked many a time with other people about even mentioning this to women. As said previously in this thread it's a major turn off to women even more so in the west (in the east I get away with it especially if I show them all the cool extreme sports i do, I'm basically forgiven).

Because I have an athletic figure and have training in multiple fitness disicplines I've lied and said I'm a PT or professional athlete but only under circumstances where working wouldnt get in the way of the interaction.

It's too hard to hide if I want to date them though, my work shift is balls and they often need to know the crack if I'm to work them into my schedule.

Ultimately I think it's worth the hassle though, I still want to one day be able to raise a family and the money I earn is enough (at least if I live in EE) to support one it's just a matter of finding the right kinda girl, but then again so is every one else lol.

Post: #58

Answering questions in a straightforward manner is boring to women. As someone who is very logical, I need to continuously remind myself of this.

If they ask you what you do you I think you have to make up shit at first.

"So what do you do?"

"I'm an inventor."

"Of what?"

Now think of something funny...

Post: #59

(11-22-2015 08:19 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  Answering questions in a straightforward manner is boring to women. As someone who is very logical, I need to continuously remind myself of this.

This was and is the source of most of my game hurdles.

Most of us left-brain dominant men have issues playing the emotional side of game. Figuring out why she isn't receptive of what we're spitting. Overthinking what to do, not thinking on our feet.

In our minds, 2 + 2 = 4.

In game, 2 + 2 =

Post: #60

The stereotypical engineer is socially awkward yet intelligent and dependable. Those aren't the qualities women look for when hooking up, so it's not surprising that it's considered a negative.

A big part of this comes from engineers themselves. They go into a really difficult major and have no time for a life outside of it, so they become ego invested in their new identity. They think by namedropping engineer they come off as intelligent, but it just looks lame and desperate. But like a lot of you have already brought up, you can avoid all of that by getting creative with your response. I would get good reception by saying I'm in R&D and get to travel a lot.

One of my friends takes an opposite approach, and he was always swimming in pussy. He's kind of a meat head and has an edgy personality, so by the time they ask what he does, they think he's joking when he says he's an engineer. He starts off with the bad boy vibe, but says he's an engineer to make him seem more complex. It also makes them consider the possibility that he could be boyfriend material instead of a hookup. I incorporated an edgier style: leather jacket, boots, matching sunglasses, stylish beanies, and my results have been better. Lifting helps.

When it comes to the work itself, I think it highly depends on what company you work for and what group you're in. I loved my first job out of school and actually looked forward to most Mondays. I worked with people who would have each other's back, would joke around all the time, go out together for happy hour often. We'd travel to places like south Florida and San Diego, see the results of our work directly, and we were highly appreciated by management. My current gig is way worse, and I can see why some of you are lamenting engineering. I'm just saying there are some sweet opportunities out there if you're lucky. Having a good life outside of work can help if your job is shitty, but no matter what at least the pay is above average.

I'm very happy I chose engineering. I get great leave benefits so I can travel often, and because I live well below my means I'm saving up a sizable nest egg. I stay out of the corporate race since the added responsibilities of higher positions don't look worth it to me. I'm content to finish my tasks at a casual pace, and find work to be much, much easier than school was. You could do worse than having an engineering degree.

Post: #61

(11-24-2015 06:47 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  One of my friends takes an opposite approach, and he was always swimming in pussy. He's kind of a meat head and has an edgy personality, so by the time they ask what he does, they think he's joking when he says he's an engineer. He starts off with the bad boy vibe, but says he's an engineer to make him seem more complex. It also makes them consider the possibility that he could be boyfriend material instead of a hookup. I incorporated an edgier style: leather jacket, boots, matching sunglasses, stylish beanies, and my results have been better. Lifting helps.

Yep, this is one of the hurdles I had to get over. My look and actions used to be a little too...normal? Combine that with the engineering degree and I was shuffled into "boyfriend material" instead of "boyfriend potential."

Two great GLL articles that will help any engineers in this situation:

Mr. Juxtaposition is So Hot Right Now

Retention: How To Keep Fuck Buddies in Uncommitted Relationships and Profiles of Guys

Quote:The stereotypical engineer is socially awkward yet intelligent and dependable. Those aren't the qualities women look for when hooking up, so it's not surprising that it's considered a negative.

Yep, sounds about right. My initial game is now much douchier and I OWN IT! I get put into Scumbag category and then slowly I get pulled back into Boyfriend Potential.

Just be a dickhead!

Quote:Try this..Go out on Friday night and just go, do, say whatever you want to whoever. If you get tossed out of a few places don't worry. Drink what you want and eat whatever the fuck you want. If you have an opinion let it be known. If your drink is weak tell the bartender it sucks and to fix it. Fuck everyone. Nobody gives a shit about you they just want your cash anyway so make them earn it. If you overhear a girl talking shit tell her she has no clue what she's talking about and ask her to leave.

Post: #62

Some of the earlier posts in this thread seem negative about career prospects for guys with engineering degrees. I disagree. Engineering is the most versatile bachelor's degree anyone can have. The harder disciplines probably require 50% to 100% more hours of work to complete than a typical degree but if someone already has the degree than there is nothing they can do to get that time back... so forget about it.

Honestly, if I could go back in time then I would have chosen a different degree and if I was an 18 year old in 2015 then I wouldn't go to college at all. It is still difficult to have sympathy for guys who feel like they are stuck in engineering when I personally know so many successful people who aren't engineers but have engineering degrees - entrepreneurs, financial advisors, pilots, IT guys and software developers (who didn't have computer related majors), sales guys, patent attorneys, military officers, real estate investors, etc.

The problem with most engineers (including me in the past) is that they are too analytical, negative and risk averse to take the necessary action to find something better. They want to switch careers without taking much of a pay cut. They aren't willing to take the risk to start a business or do something different.

The opportunities are literally endless. There are many engineering fields with a lot of contract jobs that are more flexible than full-time employment such as I.T. and the aerospace industry. MBA schools love engineering degrees. Software is eating the world and anyone with engineering degree should be able to go to a web development bootcamp and be making high 5 figures to low 6 figures or starting their own company within a year or two.

Unhappy engineers usually need to stop being so risk averse, stop thinking so much, and focus on taking action. Quit your job if that is what it takes to motivate you. I know this post may be a little harsh but I'm glad somebody told me something similar when I was stuck in analysis paralysis.

Post: #63

Has anyone found work via this website?

https://www.flexjobs.com

It has work-from-home, freelance, and part-time jobs for engineering, IT, and various other roles.


I'd love to get into a portable income job, or at least have a significantly greater number of vacation days. I've never been good with coding, I hated C++ when I was in school, but maybe I could adapt or learn to appreciate it better now. What do IT workers do?

Post: #64

(11-25-2015 12:31 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  Some of the earlier posts in this thread seem negative about career prospects for guys with engineering degrees. I disagree. Engineering is the most versatile bachelor's degree anyone can have. The harder disciplines probably require 50% to 100% more hours of work to complete than a typical degree but if someone already has the degree than there is nothing they can do to get that time back... so forget about it.

Honestly, if I could go back in time then I would have chosen a different degree and if I was an 18 year old in 2015 then I wouldn't go to college at all. It is still difficult to have sympathy for guys who feel like they are stuck in engineering when I personally know so many successful people who aren't engineers but have engineering degrees - entrepreneurs, financial advisors, pilots, IT guys and software developers (who didn't have computer related majors), sales guys, patent attorneys, military officers, real estate investors, etc.

The problem with most engineers (including me in the past) is that they are too analytical, negative and risk averse to take the necessary action to find something better. They want to switch careers without taking much of a pay cut. They aren't willing to take the risk to start a business or do something different.

The opportunities are literally endless. There are many engineering fields with a lot of contract jobs that are more flexible than full-time employment such as I.T. and the aerospace industry. MBA schools love engineering degrees. Software is eating the world and anyone with engineering degree should be able to go to a web development bootcamp and be making high 5 figures to low 6 figures or starting their own company within a year or two.

Unhappy engineers usually need to stop being so risk averse, stop thinking so much, and focus on taking action. Quit your job if that is what it takes to motivate you. I know this post may be a little harsh but I'm glad somebody told me something similar when I was stuck in analysis paralysis.

As I have found out engineering sales is also quite lucrative.

Post: #65

(11-20-2015 04:29 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  Can anyone recommend any websites/channels through which one can conduct a search for overseas opportunities for engineers?

Seconded. Jack all jobs where I'm at (Graduate Mechanical Engineer in Australia). Little confused as to how to get a job overseas. Most I've seen seem to want local residents.

(11-22-2015 02:27 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Im a mining engineer.

I work Asia/Pacific fly in, flu out around gold mines, copper mines, coal etc.

Any tips for a fellow aussie? Graduate Mechanical Engineer. Out of uni ~7months, can't find a job.