(11-20-2015 12:02 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Would be interesting to see when (not if) a pretty blonde woman has to kill a muslim to defend herself. Will the left protect its feminist overlord or their muslim overlord?

Rotherham already gave us the answer to that. Feminism is just a useful tool for the destruction of white societies, and white women will get thrown under the bus every time.

Speaking of George Soros he's a prime example of what i'm talking about when referencing Russian Jews with a historical beef.

His family was persecuted in Russia and had to flee and then he became a big shot insider trader in London and then the U.S. Now he uses his money to fuck around with geopolitics in eastern europe and asia (1997 financial crisis) and is fully in the neo-con camp but just on the democrat side of financing it.

He's also a closeted zionist, in otherwords self righteous and amoral scum who is willing to burn down entire nations to protect the tribe. He always claims to be otherwise but just look at his actions and where his money flows. It's pretty obvious what his true beliefs are.

https://mises.org/library/european-borde...ationalism

Another interesting article. People here always bash libertarians but who cares.

But I have my doubts when he says "South Europe can be a buffer zone for migrants". Yeah, right. As a south european myself, I imagine how would many of these cultural enrichments fare in the already economically imperiled and socially tense Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece, that also don't have such a good track record for "tolerance", if you know what I mean.

On ROK someone posted a good promoted comment and linked to another one from the year 2007:

http://www.samizdata.net/2007/01/samizda...ent-133845

http://www.samizdata.net/2007/01/samizda...ent-133855

He shares my opinions there:

Quote:The islamicist utopian, or Caliphate, vision is not only a dangerous delusion for those in the West, who are the objects of jihad, but even more so for the Muslim world, whose continued survival is entirely dependent upon the self-restraint of the very Western culture they have demonized and continually attack.

It is a constant source of amazement to me that anyone could watch the utterly implacable nature of various western societies slaughtering millions of their own citizens in political purges, and millions more of their adversaries’ citizens during repeated wars, and then decide to antagonize those same societies with scattered, haphazard violent attacks which have little strategic value.

For a while, certainly, the liberal humanism prevalent in western culture will attempt to maintain a broad committment to basic rights, and to avoid or minimize profiling by racial group or religious affiliation, but if the attacks continue, and become even more destructive, a final dividing line will eventually be reached, and the response will begin with the “Japanese internment” model and move rapidly downhill from there.

Yes, reform from within Islam is imperative, but not for the survival of the west. In a debased, and morally agonized, form, the west will survive and eventually move past this period of conflict. Islam will not.

Those who doubt the capacity of western culture for such a terrible response had better take a tour of the gulag archipeligo, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, et al, and visit the Hiroshima memorial.

From uncounted mass graves, the spirits of millions are calling out to Islam, “Oh, thou fool!”

And in the other comment:

Quote:I have said this before, and will probably say it again, so forgive me—I do not fear the threat of islamicism except as it provokes the return of a savagery which will haunt the west’s dreams and torture our consciences for a century of self-loathing and recrimination.

I wish to see my great grandchildren walking proudly among the stars, not hiding from the light in an agony of guilt and shame, with the haunting memory of deaths beyond counting screaming through their nightmares.

Read “Ender’s Game” and “Speaker for the Dead”.

We are who we are, and who we have come from— that 30,000 years since we were Cro-Magnon is but the blink of an eye.

Indeed, one does not move past certain annihilation tendencies after 20 or 25 years of "peace and love" allied with SJW Cultural Marxist idiocy.

(11-20-2015 09:14 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  On ROK someone posted a good promoted comment and linked to another one from the year 2007:

http://www.samizdata.net/2007/01/samizda...ent-133845

http://www.samizdata.net/2007/01/samizda...ent-133855

He shares my opinions there:

Quote:The islamicist utopian, or Caliphate, vision is not only a dangerous delusion for those in the West, who are the objects of jihad, but even more so for the Muslim world, whose continued survival is entirely dependent upon the self-restraint of the very Western culture they have demonized and continually attack.

It is a constant source of amazement to me that anyone could watch the utterly implacable nature of various western societies slaughtering millions of their own citizens in political purges, and millions more of their adversaries’ citizens during repeated wars, and then decide to antagonize those same societies with scattered, haphazard violent attacks which have little strategic value.

For a while, certainly, the liberal humanism prevalent in western culture will attempt to maintain a broad committment to basic rights, and to avoid or minimize profiling by racial group or religious affiliation, but if the attacks continue, and become even more destructive, a final dividing line will eventually be reached, and the response will begin with the “Japanese internment” model and move rapidly downhill from there.

Yes, reform from within Islam is imperative, but not for the survival of the west. In a debased, and morally agonized, form, the west will survive and eventually move past this period of conflict. Islam will not.

Those who doubt the capacity of western culture for such a terrible response had better take a tour of the gulag archipeligo, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, et al, and visit the Hiroshima memorial.

From uncounted mass graves, the spirits of millions are calling out to Islam, “Oh, thou fool!”

And in the other comment:

Quote:I have said this before, and will probably say it again, so forgive me—I do not fear the threat of islamicism except as it provokes the return of a savagery which will haunt the west’s dreams and torture our consciences for a century of self-loathing and recrimination.

I wish to see my great grandchildren walking proudly among the stars, not hiding from the light in an agony of guilt and shame, with the haunting memory of deaths beyond counting screaming through their nightmares.

Read “Ender’s Game” and “Speaker for the Dead”.

We are who we are, and who we have come from— that 30,000 years since we were Cro-Magnon is but the blink of an eye.

Zel, is this even a legitimate concern in the West anymore? With all the leftists, feminists and liberals denouncing wars and men physically capable of fighting, how is retribution on a large scale still possible?

(11-20-2015 09:27 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 09:14 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Quote:The islamicist utopian, or Caliphate, vision is not only a dangerous delusion for those in the West, who are the objects of jihad, but even more so for the Muslim world, whose continued survival is entirely dependent upon the self-restraint of the very Western culture they have demonized and continually attack.



Yes, reform from within Islam is imperative, but not for the survival of the west. In a debased, and morally agonized, form, the west will survive and eventually move past this period of conflict. Islam will not.

From uncounted mass graves, the spirits of millions are calling out to Islam, “Oh, thou fool!”

Zel, is this even a legitimate concern in the West anymore? With all the leftists, feminists and liberals denouncing wars and men physically capable of fighting, how is retribution on a large scale still possible?

Yes - what are the current infringements on Europeans? Yes - they see a few occasional terrorist attacks - those are changing the mood, but not that much. They hear also the increased rapes, some more crime and more no-go zones. But still - very very few Europeans have to deal with that.

Yes - to us it seems like a lot is happening, but that is because we take in alternative sites and see the deteriorating statistics with no improvement in sight.

But what would happen when an ever greater amount demand sharia implementation, enforce sharia in Europe or terrorist attacks become a bi-weekly phenomenon?

There is no chance in hell that this will go on for much beyond that. Do not let their control of media, academia and politics fool you - the people are getting ever more irate. I would estimate that 80-90% in Eastern Europe are opposed to it and 60-70% in Western Europe. In Southern Europe it's probably 80% already. There is an ever greater divide between the political opinion and the common man.

The only chance how this could have gone on for decades is if everyone was awash in cash and the economy was booming. That way most people would forget about it. But that is nowhere in sight.

(11-20-2015 06:15 PM)Direct or subtle Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 05:54 PM)Libertas Wrote:  So let's do something about it.

Can we find that site's owners through whois?

If so, let's strike back, like we struck back numerous other times with some success. Think offense.

The "no-borders" crew has been accused by French police of actively inciting migrants to throw stones at the police, one week ago in Calais.. These no-borders jerks were actually on the ground, 100 meters behind the migrants, cheering and shouting at them to "kill the pigs"

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/6186...-activists

These middle-class SJWs have abandoned all hope that the European working classes will 'wake up', 'break their chains' and destroy the state. They hope that outsiders will do the job that the domestic working classes failed to do. For this to happen, they must be radicalised by being told just how oppressive White patriarchy is.

I listened to the Culture War Chat.

I somewhat agree with Quintus, that the fighting spirit of Europeans is nowhere dead.

The media is just pushing a clear narrative.

Also I don't believe that the elite honestly thinks that they can control the Muslims for their gain, when they are 40-60% of the population. They know that things will start to get out of hand long before that. In my opinion they want war - in a way that is what hardline Israelis are itching for. A war where they can go all out and kill every Muslim in sight. That can only happen if large Muslim populations in the West start creating an actual violent uprising and even greater terrorist attacks are staged.

As I said before - I don't think that there will be a pure outbreeding of Europeans and that somehow things will remain more or less peaceful for decades.

And yes - Muslim migrants are being used as a tool to an end - a means that will pave the way for their own destruction. And as Roosh correctly pointed out - you cannot blame them for trying to come over. They are promised plentiful money and good jobs in Europe (or at least good welfare). Plus the media shows them scenes of welcoming crowds and women giving them stuffed animals and refreshments.

The reality of course will be much more bleak, but the scam will continue to work on them for years to come. Also the traitors in government will cut expenses for the locals to the bone in order to pay for all the newcomers.

This is a giant con-job and I don't see anything that one can do:

1. Violent uprising? They will send the SWAT teams or even the army to kill you. Then they will double down on the policies and claim that racists like that have to go and that is why they need more migrants.
2. Demonstrations every day? They will call you racists as with the weekly demonstrations of Pegida in Germany where 10-40.000 come out each week. 50.000-100.000 go to demonstrations in Poland. The elite barely cares.
3. Voting in other parties? That will take years, also the situation in countries like France or Germany would have to get much more serious before people will vote for far right parties and risk being called racists. By then 10-50 million migrants will have entered Europe (and all pulling families or future spouses to them [or both in many cases]).

So what is there to do if all the things above won't work?

ROK had a good article on the rising flood of Americans rescinding US citizenship.
With the EU it's even easier. You just move, since the government so far does not tax you on your income in other countries, you can literally life in the Fijis, in China or Japan while still being a German.




Those are nowhere near the full numbers. The trend is clear - those that can leave. And you cannot blame them either. So personally I don't blame migrants and not the Europeans who leave. The ones supporting the crazy policies in blindness - yeah - I blame them for being so stupid, but they will suffer for it soon enough. And of course the biggest responsibility is in the hands of the elite who are doing it all, but that is what they always do - manipulate the sheep for their own gain.

The terror threat level is up to 4 in Brussels, 3 in the rest of the country. It means a terrorist attack is 'likely'. The metro in Brussels is getting closed, people are advised not to use public transport, a lot of events have been canceled, stores getting closed too.... All federal reserves of the police force in Belgium is being send to the capital. Officially, the say this is because they still search one guy from the terrorist attacks.

By the way, I read somewhere 85 of the 130 returned Syria fighters in Belgium live in one part of Brussels: Molenbeek. There have been a lot of explosives found somewhere in Molenbeek yesterday.

Brussels this morning:

(11-21-2015 06:08 AM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  85 of the 130 returned Syria fighters in Belgium live in one part of Brussels: Molenbeek.[/php]

What could possibly go wrong?

(11-21-2015 04:54 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  ROK had a good article on the rising flood of Americans rescinding US citizenship.
With the EU it's even easier. You just move, since the government so far does not tax you on your income in other countries, you can literally life in the Fijis, in China or Japan while still being a German.

If that's what neomasculinity is all about
deserting your home for the sake of individual's escape
I'm signing out.

I don't care what the consequences will be
I'm staying put in Europe.
I'm sure many men will do too.

For those who would rather stay and fight
here's some inspirational book
from the leader of the Romanian Iron Guard
Corneliu Zelea Codreanu

http://www.amazon.co.uk/My-Legionaries-C...egionaries

(11-21-2015 06:08 AM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  The terror threat level is up to 4 in Brussels, 3 in the rest of the country. It means a terrorist attack is 'likely'. The metro in Brussels is getting closed, people are advised not to use public transport, a lot of events have been canceled, stores getting closed too.... All federal reserves of the police force in Belgium is being send to the capital. Officially, the say this is because they still search one guy from the terrorist attacks.

By the way, I read somewhere 85 of the 130 returned Syria fighters in Belgium live in one part of Brussels: Molenbeek. There have been a lot of explosives found somewhere in Molenbeek yesterday.

Brussels this morning:

The governments all over the world must have a huge boner thinking how easy will there be to control people now.

(11-21-2015 07:57 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  The governments all over the world must have a huge boner thinking how easy will there be to control people now.

I think that is the greatest achievement of multiculturalism: the levels of surveillance, internal controls and paramilitary police forces and now troops on the streets that it requires to stop things from falling apart at the seams. It also requires a relentless saturation of minds through the media which uses soft and hard levels of coercion such as trumpeting the wonderful exotic food and reinforcing the fear of being denounced as racist respectively.

There's another achievement too. Such societies like Syria are vulnerable to international manipulation and divide and conquer stratagems should the powers that be within cosmopolitan spheres want a 'régime change'.

You wouldn't think that it is nearly five years ago since Merkel, Cameron and Sarkozy who together represent much of Europe's political middle management, declared multiculturalism a failure.

(11-21-2015 07:44 AM)Krum Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 04:54 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  ROK had a good article on the rising flood of Americans rescinding US citizenship.
With the EU it's even easier. You just move, since the government so far does not tax you on your income in other countries, you can literally life in the Fijis, in China or Japan while still being a German.

If that's what neomasculinity is all about
deserting your home for the sake of individual's escape
I'm signing out.

I don't care what the consequences will be
I'm staying put in Europe.
I'm sure many men will do too.

For those who would rather stay and fight
here's some inspirational book
from the leader of the Romanian Iron Guard
Corneliu Zelea Codreanu

http://www.amazon.co.uk/My-Legionaries-C...egionaries

I understand your sentiment, but I would urge you to consider that a "fight" is a scenario in which you have a realistic chance of winning.
Else you're just committing suicide.

I think Sun Tsu writes about picking your battles wisely and that sometimes retreat is the only chance to win.

Maybe leaving now and waiting for an opportunity to come back and rebuild society is the smarter move. Or maybe down the line we will realize that truly all is lost and at least we saved family and friends from certain death or enslavement by the state.

I have written about this before. Nationalism is a great idea and a nation is something worth fighting for. But there is no nation here. There is only a bunch of traitors willing to sacrifice their population for their own gain.

Would you have fought for Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao had you been from their respective countries knowing what they are really about?

Because these people are no better.

You'd be fighting for the sadistic urges and financial gain of people you don't even know. All because you're adhering to your own inherently good values and morals.

That's not masculine either. That's getting played.

I'm not attacking you or your decision. It's how I see things and I would want you to consider these arguments before making a final commitment.

I haven't made up my mind completely I must say, but I'm leaning towards leaving or at least becoming a sort of self-sufficient recluse for the coming decade.

Also: Being dissatisfied with your home country's leadership and subsequently leaving may not seem like a masculine thing to do. But building your own nation somewhere else certainly is.

People did that some hundred years ago and now there are the United States of America.

Maybe we could do without the killing of natives this time, but that certainly is something I'd be willing to fight for.

I heard Russia is giving away land in Siberia for free to people who are willing to live there. Maybe we can request refugee status and claim some.

(11-21-2015 08:51 AM)LE50 Wrote:  I think Sun Tsu writes about picking your battles wisely and that sometimes retreat is the only chance to win.

Maybe leaving now and waiting for an opportunity to come back and rebuild society is the smarter move. Or maybe down the line we will realize that truly all is lost and at least we saved family and friends from certain death or enslavement by the state.

The world of Sun Tsu was much different than ours today.
We live in one big global village.
There's no where to run, no where to hide.
It's pretty naive to suggest that running to the far Eats is the solution
based on the assumption that the geopolitical centre is moving East.
Or at least that's what Zelcorpion rationale is.

If you follow this logic you would be moving to a region
which is about to become exactly the same as the one
you were running from.

It is no surprise they call it Globalization
It's one rule, one system EVERYWHERE.

The fight is here, the fight is now
The fight is within. There is no escape route
all bridge were burned down.

p.s. Unless you can suggest another planet
we can colonize and start anew
like people sued to escape to Americas.

(11-21-2015 08:51 AM)LE50 Wrote:  I understand your sentiment, but I would urge you to consider that a "fight" is a scenario in which you have a realistic chance of winning.
Else you're just committing suicide.

I think Sun Tsu writes about picking your battles wisely and that sometimes retreat is the only chance to win.

Maybe leaving now and waiting for an opportunity to come back and rebuild society is the smarter move. Or maybe down the line we will realize that truly all is lost and at least we saved family and friends from certain death or enslavement by the state.

I have written about this before. Nationalism is a great idea and a nation is something worth fighting for. But there is no nation here. There is only a bunch of traitors willing to sacrifice their population for their own gain.

Would you have fought for Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao had you been from their respective countries knowing what they are really about?

Because these people are no better.

You'd be fighting for the sadistic urges and financial gain of people you don't even know. All because you're adhering to your own inherently good values and morals.

That's not masculine either. That's getting played.

I'm not attacking you or your decision. It's how I see things and I would want you to consider these arguments before making a final commitment.

I haven't made up my mind completely I must say, but I'm leaning towards leaving or at least becoming a sort of self-sufficient recluse for the coming decade.

Also: Being dissatisfied with your home country's leadership and subsequently leaving may not seem like a masculine thing to do. But building your own nation somewhere else certainly is.

People did that some hundred years ago and now there are the United States of America.

Maybe we could do without the killing of natives this time, but that certainly is something I'd be willing to fight for.

I heard Russia is giving away land in Siberia for free to people who are willing to live there. Maybe we can request refugee status and claim some.

Hey guys - I just posted a pertinent thread titled 'Escape The West - But To Where?'. I'm outlining my reason for leaving Europe and have started to compile a preliminary list of desirable locations. If you are one of the people thinking about leaving the U.S. or Western Europe then I'd love for you to chime in.

(11-21-2015 09:14 AM)Krum Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 08:51 AM)LE50 Wrote:  I think Sun Tsu writes about picking your battles wisely and that sometimes retreat is the only chance to win.

Maybe leaving now and waiting for an opportunity to come back and rebuild society is the smarter move. Or maybe down the line we will realize that truly all is lost and at least we saved family and friends from certain death or enslavement by the state.

The world of Sun Tsu was much different than ours today.
We live in one big global village.
There's no where to run, no where to hide.
It's pretty naive to suggest that running to the far Eats is the solution
based on the assumption that the geopolitical centre is moving East.
Or at least that's what Zelcorpion rationale is.

If you follow this logic you would be moving to a region
which is about to become exactly the same as the one
you were running from.

It is no surprise they call it Globalization
It's one rule, one system EVERYWHERE.

The fight is here, the fight is now
The fight is within. There is no escape route
all bridge were burned down.

p.s. Unless you can suggest another planet
we can colonize and start anew
like people sued to escape to Americas.

China is not a part of that system. In fact, very few if any non-white countries are. Our defeat lies in the fact that the fifth column in white nations resembles our native population. In non-white nations they cannot blend in and exercise subversion nearly as effectively.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSnP...ygy1CKO.97

The mafia might help out in NYC to fight terrorism. That would be interesting to see.

(11-21-2015 05:06 PM)kbell Wrote:  http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSnP...ygy1CKO.97

The mafia might help out in NYC to fight terrorism. That would be interesting to see.

The fact that this guy is having a serious interview with stuck up media types makes me think Italian mafia lost its edge.

Macedonia began building a fence on its border:

http://www.ekathimerini.com/203559/artic...eek-border

However, it's only a cuck-close, unlike Hungary, because they want to "create a single entry point:

http://www.ekathimerini.com/203666/artic...e-strategy

google just rolled out a little refugee sympathy publicity stunt: "google fortune telling"

It's the "beta" version of a fortune telling service. There's a searchbar with gray text that says "type a question here about your future." Once you begin typing it starts autotyping to read "where can I find a safe place?" then jumps to this page

   

60 million... gee I better pull out my couch and lay my futon flat. I'm sure that's what all the concerned sheep posting this on facebook are doing


http://betagoogle.com/

I see people are debating the whole expat thing.

It is not a dichotomy. Some people need to stay and fight, others need to be abroad to funnel money and support.

That's what Zionists did. They sent in settlers as political pressure while the rest of the diaspora got support for the project.

Great video on immigration and how it doesn't really help anybody. hope it's not a dupe.

(11-22-2015 01:37 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  I see people are debating the whole expat thing.

It is not a dichotomy. Some people need to stay and fight, others need to be abroad to funnel money and support.

That's what Zionists did. They sent in settlers as political pressure while the rest of the diaspora got support for the project.

It all depends on what constitutes your belief or understanding of our system. I tried to put this point across in the "Resistance to the Islamic invasion" thread:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-51785...pid1151674