Djemba,

Whens the best time to go to Varna? We need some bulgarian intel, nahmean?

Peep game and learn. Here's a brother getting crazy good IOI's from (mosty white) chicks:

Not a game topic but a must-see video from an educated brother state side.

https://youtu.be/b5ETolug02c

The title is, " Dear Black Man: The world is not going to ever feel sorry for you."

Thoughts?

quad 6, listen to the podcasts. All your answers are there.

quad 6 - I would love to hear your success stories, please tell us what works for you?

(11-14-2015 04:35 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  Not a game topic but a must-see video from an educated brother state side.

https://youtu.be/b5ETolug02c

The title is, " Dear Black Man: The world is not going to ever feel sorry for you."

Thoughts?

The only thing on point about that 15 minutes is the title.

And the "What black men need to be doing today" type of discussion always generates that ignorant barbershop level of arguments.

It's not actually surprising to me that he's a Professor at a predominantly white institution. There are plenty of "plain talkers" at those places. The other variety is the Cornel West types who might have a few good academic points here and there, but very little of that is ACTIONABLE.

"Unemployable black men should start businesses."

Like Daqan n'nem ain't already hustling....
Everyone knows that. Everyone says "start a business"
People that aren't even black know that.

The best hustles are the ones the academics hate on. The rap game and the crack game are long shots at best. (and if you're successful at either, you might end up dead or in prison).

But the basic economic lessons are there.

- Obtain or create a product.
- Go to or create a market for that product.
- advertise
- Sell at a profit.
- Reinvest.
- Advertise more
- Protect your market.
- Cooperate/Coordinate with other producers.
- expand your products and services
- delegate

A professor of entrepreneurship really shouldn't be focusing on the excuses that people tell themselves. Just scroll through his blog, looks as bad and unhelpful as The Root.

He should say, I've been studying different opportunities for uneducated or disenfranchised people, and here's what i've found.
- going into a trade, getting experience, and renting your own truck
- yardwork. carpentry
- auto repair, body work, and aftermarket improvement
- getting IT certifications and bidding for government contracts
- t-shirt/fashion development, marketing, and getting small scale production
- "Magazines and newspapers are typically low margin businesses.
- Writing books, giving talks and speeches are very profitable - but marketing them and selling them is very difficult."

Advice on how to find a mentor or a role model is some bullshit.

How do Asians, Indians, and Middle Easterners come into our neighborhoods and sell gasoline, hair, sodas, beer, et cetera.
- they went to a commercial real estate agent
- they had their own financing
- they had people in their extended circles that had run these types of businesses in these types of neighborhoods
- they opened up shop
- if they had to pay employees to run the business, most of the businesses would be unprofitable.

Them professor type dudes would start talking about "cultural cohesion" or some other bullshit.
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Last week I went to a typical "Hotep" meeting. The female facillitator had "Mama" in her name, and the male speaker had Baba in his name. Some real, "I wear a dashiki every Tuesday" type shit.

They showed a great documentary about economic cooperatives.

When it was over, instead of talking about what business to turn into a co-op, they started talking about think tanks, teaching children, what's going on in Botswana..... Every grey beard in the place wanted to throw his two cents in about how black people don't have "knowledge of self", or "enemies" sent in destroy the community.

It was a lot like a guy posting here about getting a skank pregnant, and then the cavalcade of red pill bro start spouting Red Pill nonsense, like" should have used his screening skills to find a better chick."

That type of bullshit that never addresses the problem, but just an excuse to hear yourself talk. Time Machine having mf'ers.

To bring it back to this conversation, what Rudebwoy and Moma have focused on - I don't even know if it was part of their mandate - was focus on brothers that are doing stuff, and asking them how they do it. They uncover the driving force, the mindset, how these guys got the courage to do some of this stuff. How they handle adversity. ...

If a guy knows how to get into a girl's pants, what else can he use that skillset for?

Guys with no imagination - She can hand over money to him, of course. He can send her out to prostitute for him. She can bring other girls into his life. All that dumb pimp shit

But maybe that chick works for the city, and she can see how the bidding process works, and what they use to evaluate bidders. Maybe he can parlay her work knowledge and information into something that's economically actionable.

WIA

WIA, that's exactly what our mandate was. Rude and I had been talking for a while prior to this just sharing experiences from two UK breddas and we had noticed a peculiar turn of events on this forum. Guys actually claiming that white lizards were difficult. I spoke with another UK friend of mine recently who is unaware of this forum or Game (in the UK, we been doing day game and all that from time). I told my friend about this phenomenon and he was totally baffled at the fact that this being an issue.

Concluding that it was a mindset, we decided to clear this stuff up by starting a podcast. The podcast clearly highlights strategies and mindsets to surmounting these obstacles. It's largely a mindset thing because there is no easier time in history for black men to pump white lizards.

Moma - would you say the UK black men have more game than their counterpart in America?

Rudebwoy, I would say UK guys don't have as good short term game as Americans but their long term game is better. American guys are very good at escalating and going for bangs and UK is more of a less hurried affair. Life in America can be very fast paced, hardly any vacation time and a culture of overtime so when the mans get time off, they move very quickly and look to close ASAP in order to maximise their time.

They will get faster bangs but when it comes to dating, marriage (long term game), I think they fall short of their Afro European counterparts. This is also due to self esteem issues and other factors. Many black Americans (but not all) and this was detailed in the podcast, claim that slavery is a factor in why the confidence thing is a factor when dealing with white lizards and rejections etc.
UK consists of Africans and West Indians who although were also affected by slavery, it was in a different fashion. UK's colonial effect was more hands off whereas America was blatantly sicing the dogs on you and hosing you down and blatant overt segregation.
As a result, there is a lot of resentment in the hearts of many black Americans and this resentment can bubble up when they get rejection from white lizards etc.
On the other hand, someone of UK extract isn't really bothered if white lizards starts chatting rubbish. The mentality is more like 'Oh well, her loss on to the next' rather than let it fester inside.

It's not easy to overcome such resentment but understanding that it's a mentality rather than an actual physical state which is what we cover almost on every podcast, will help those who have this issue and listen, engage in rebuilding steps to overcome this.

(11-14-2015 03:54 AM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  Peep game and learn. Here's a brother getting crazy good IOI's from (mosty white) chicks:

This doesn't say much. There was 4 girls in the videos so it is a very small sample. You also have to remember that all YouTube videos about picking up girls, regardless of source, are all edited in a way to make it more favorable. They never show you how many "bad" reactions/interactions occurred to get the "good" reactions we actually see. I'm guessing 1 in 20 were good enough to include in a clip.

(05-25-2015 02:34 AM)30somethingdude Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 04:59 PM)Moma Wrote:  Here is the latest podcast with JOF superman. Enjoy!!

Big fan of Superman, wish he would bring his website back. Sounds like he is still running his 'fake sugar daddy' game, which is good if it still works. I like Superman's honesty about his experiences and his upfront approach on race and game.

Thanks man. Haha, I've thought about making a come back, the stuff I'm doing now is a lot crazier, but I had to close it for the better, I didn't want to end up like Julien of RSD.

(05-25-2015 11:37 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Good podcast. I'm not familiar with JOF, but he seems like a good guy. he's similar to me in height and race.

Moma, much like you I have trouble with girls who are cold. I have a friend (another black man) who says that we should just push through. He says that some girls are just super shy in that retarded way so he sexualizes thing early so that he can see if they're shy and interested or just being a timewaster. Maybe something we should both try?

Thanks for the good words.

(05-26-2015 06:47 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Depends on your limitations.

JOF found that meeting women in real life was not getting him the quality he desired, so he is hacking the system and pulling golddiggers and banging them without giving them a bag of gold, and he's doing it online.

Some guys HATE online game, and that's fine. Some guys can pull 20+ girls a year off of online. Why would they learn night game or day game if they're getting what they want from their source. Diversity is good, but only if you need it. If you're able to pull equally from all three that is legit and you have my respect, but I don't have any more respect for you than I do for a guy who gets what he wants strictly from online game.

There are some cats on this site who get everything they want from daygame. As I said, hats off to those guys, but they're no better for using one game. If it works it works. That is my saying when it comes to the game.

Me? I liked online game, but tinder sucks now, so I'm learning night game. I'm moving to a new city where maybe online is better and i'll just switch back. I have no desire to go out anymore than I need to to get laid. Going out and spam approaching 1,000 women doesn't strict me as any more effective than sitting down and pounding out 100 messages in an hour and spamming OKC or tinder. It's all in what works.

In the words of Warren Buffett, "Diversification is only required when investors do not understand what they are doing."

(05-26-2015 10:20 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 06:47 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Depends on your limitations.

JOF found that meeting women in real life was not getting him the quality he desired, so he is hacking the system and pulling golddiggers and banging them without giving them a bag of gold, and he's doing it online.

Some guys HATE online game, and that's fine. Some guys can pull 20+ girls a year off of online. Why would they learn night game or day game if they're getting what they want from their source. Diversity is good, but only if you need it. If you're able to pull equally from all three that is legit and you have my respect, but I don't have any more respect for you than I do for a guy who gets what he wants strictly from online game.

There are some cats on this site who get everything they want from daygame. As I said, hats off to those guys, but they're no better for using one game. If it works it works. That is my saying when it comes to the game.

Me? I liked online game, but tinder sucks now, so I'm learning night game. I'm moving to a new city where maybe online is better and i'll just switch back. I have no desire to go out anymore than I need to to get laid. Going out and spam approaching 1,000 women doesn't strict me as any more effective than sitting down and pounding out 100 messages in an hour and spamming OKC or tinder. It's all in what works.

No one cares where you pull girls from, least I don't. I am opposed to online game because of the quality and I am above gassing up some average girl to get a bang.
I saw some girl on POF who works in a retail store at the local mall, she had her profile looking like she is in some big management position. So she, like many girls in my area over-value themselves, god knows how many thirsty guys are emailing her and I don't want to be part of that group.
Jof Superman seeking arrangement approach has me thinking, I just hate having my pic out there.
Location may vary of course, if I am travelling overseas I will send out a few emails on various sites to gauge the interest. I would probably set up a Tinder account next time as well.
I think daygame is the way to go, I simply don't see guys doing it where I live or if they do it is awkward. I personally get better results from nightgame.

You can pull girls from the site without a pic at all. Some times I've even used fake pics. The thirst is that real.

(05-26-2015 11:11 PM)Zooxanthellae Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 04:59 PM)Moma Wrote:  Here is the latest podcast with JOF superman. Enjoy!!

I've met JOF superman in person before, he is a genuine dude no doubt. I remember when he just started and how far he has come in success and game. He really has come a long way and when he says he has a thorough knowledge of classic game, it's true... he been doing daygame since the 00's even as a young'n.

Great episode and those win-loss stories were epic!

Damn, I've met so many cats, I wonder who you could be lol.

Can we talk about black 8's-10's?

I've dated and wifed up one. I'll probably never deal with a Louisiana woman again. I've dated and sexed lots of attractive black women, but this chick was "special" (so special that we broke up over it, lol)

leading me to this

What has been your strategy in locating them?
Any thing you do to really get them on the hook?
And what are you doing differently to keep them around?
Or are you doing anything special at all?

My active game and passive game are well suited to most black women. My usual issue is finding them and getting within earshot. They are few and far between, and the situations where I have come across, I'd need to part the seas like Moses to get a 30 second holler in.

And please don't use my post as a jump off point to rail against black women.

WIA

WIA, do you want to discussed on a podcast or on here? My first question would be, what makes her an 8-10? Is it her looks or the overall package? If it is the overall package, let's assume she looks good. What else was it that kept her in the 8-10 range? I see a lot of hot looking black lizards but it's the attitude that causes me to bring their value down.

I just want to see if what we value in the extras is a mutual thing.

*pulls up a chair*

When I'm able to connect with a high quality sista, there are certain patterns I've seen play out

- upon approach I'm very direct and deliberate. We all realize by now part of what separates you from the average cat at the car wash hollering out "damn girl you fine", is you displaying a cool, non plussed see demeanor. Sure, I recognize all that ass she toting around but I'm not I impressed ( at least not outwardly)

In fact, I'm not impressed by her job title, her car, nor the size of her shoe closet. When I've been successful in putting my hooks in them, they are more impressed that I have my own thing together. Another indication that most brahs aren't exactly coming correct.

Spotting 8's/9's in my locale can be a challenge, but when I make myself more visible I've found that they roam the same places I do.

The mid-upscale shopping centers, bistros, business seminars, all the way down to my local gelato shop.

For me it's that 1st encounter where I can really lay my game down flat, and then demonstrate that I'm stepping to her as a guy who has had plenty success in life and with women and if she cares to dig deeper she may be pleasantly surprised.

Of course, with the dating market being as it is there is usually a special kind of wall to penetrate but let's be honest, some of that is from dealing with bullshit men and some can be attributed to upbringing.

When I can sense a strong and growing interest, i proceed with the normal protocol of non needy behavior. One thing I love about black women is that when they want something, more often they can be direct about it. Most have no problems reciprocating from my experience.

Personally, black women are the equivalent of what they say about New York - if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere.

@Moma - yes I do take the whole package into account

Nuff girl walking 'round with mega ass and no real job...or can't boil eggs

This is a timely discussion to have actually, now that I'm assuming that we are relatively troll free

I would argue there are a significant amount of black women who fall in this range, but they exist in the shadows of their Caucasian counterparts

They aren't overweight, have good attitudes and upbringings, and a healthy respect for a ambitious man who has his act together

Even more so when you consider how many of us black men who have fallen through the cracks of society through the penal system, drugs, marginalization or plain attrition

(11-15-2015 03:09 PM)Moma Wrote:  WIA, do you want to discussed on a podcast or on here? My first question would be, what makes her an 8-10? Is it her looks or the overall package? If it is the overall package, let's assume she looks good. What else was it that kept her in the 8-10 range? I see a lot of hot looking black lizards but it's the attitude that causes me to bring their value down.

I just want to see if what we value in the extras is a mutual thing.

1) here or the podcast?

Doesn't matter to me, but I don't have the answers for this one. I'm looking for some!

2) What makes her an 8-10, looks or package

Looks brings a chick to a 7
Sex skills to an 8.

9 is her personality
10 is her behavior.

Her hobbies, skills, and education are background factors to me.

3) Keeps her there?

Behavior, behavior, behavior.

A chick can have a quite delightful personality, but put her in a stressful situation, make her have to choose between lesser evils, if her loyalty to you can be exchanged for a better deal....

And this is fully cognizant of a general woman's behavior. It's foolish to expect ANY woman to not test your alpha, beautiful or otherwise. That's in the DNA.

But I've been with beautiful, intelligent, and accomplished women that get wrapped up in Love and Hip Hop LA type foolishness. They're straight from the burbs, Jack and Jill upbringing, but they will get "ghetto" in an instant. Whatever that means.

Or I've dealt with more Erykah Badu types that are quick to scream some black nationalist shit, but then fight you if you mention her Gucci bag and Prada shoes.

Just these two examples, it's whether they have a herd mentality, and what horrible herd they choose to follow without thinking.

I can't deal with dumb chicks. I can't deal with a girl that's easily bamboozled.

WIA

Total 8's are rare. The closest I can think of is (maybe) Jordan Sparks.

The problem is, you can't take a girl too far from her environment...even an 8
is going to have traits you wish could be better...especially in stressful situations.

You've got to be able to love her at her worst and her best...so if her best is an 8
and her worst is a 5...then her (total) rating is going to be a 6.5....

@ WIA

I have dated Ethiopian 8-10's almost exclusively. This was not because of game( which was non-existent & still relatively weak) but due to me being part of the Ethiopian upper class ( both affluence & ethnicity wise): the demographic from which these girls come from. They are my exes, friends and gf's of friends. I'm the type of guy these girls want to date & marry .... which is not relevant , so I'll tell you from my experience what kind of guys they fuck and lust after.

These are the kinda girls I'm talking about









Once they finish 10th or 12th grade in Ethiopia they hit North American cities like Washington D.C, Atlanta, L.A or Toronto. In Europe they're not as numerous but London & Stockholm (mostly Eritreans but same race) come to mind.

Immediately they get bombarded with so much attention for their exotic looks that their ego sky-rockets. I overwhelmingly see the same attitude with light-skinned African American girls.

Eventually they get hitched to some Ethiopian guy with a good job but the kind of guys they go for while they're young are in that order

- Black college athletes in football or basketball. Obviously status comes into play here.
- White frat boys and social butterflies.
- Westernized & urbane Ethiopian guys from affluent families back home (more of a long term investment)

These girls are so used to male attention & are so experienced in sexual tango that they can sniff out the smallest ounce of beta. Unlike AA girls however, they won't punish you for it through abrupt and crass rejections. They'll let you tag along and use you for attention, favors etc ...

A small yet significant percentage start feeling like literal princesses and adopt the mannerisms and lingo of the Real Housewives of Atlanta or some shit. They use ghetto speak like " Oh that's wass up" or " Girl, BYE!".

These are the type of girls you can pounce on because they are in a identity transition period.

If you come off like the type of guy their idols date which is an Urban but not necessarily hard guy ... then it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Think guys like Trey Songz, Drake, The Weeknd, Ray J, Kendrick Lamar etc ... ( I actually dated a girl who ended up being one of Drakes side chicks)

Girls in that hotness range attach themselves through mainly status. game keep them around once you get them but initially you have to give off an aura of value and the easiest and cheapest way is to act like I described above.

WIA your experiences are in line with mine

I think these women have two sides and they definitely wear "The Mask".

First there is the woman that they are in a relaxed setting surrounded by their bff, mom and other sympathizing females - brash, opinionated, take no prisoners persona with 'No Scrubs' playing in the background.

Perhaps some of it can be attributed to socio-economic standing, where some are now in a position to do for themselves what the average man would normally be expected to do. Because of this, there is almost an inner battle going on between submitting herself to a man or fully living an #BossBitch lifestyle where they try to convince one another (over drinks of course) that they are better off single. Honestly I would be almost willing to take a 1pt less if it meant her disposition would be conducive to my piece of mind.

Then there is who they want to be seen and respected as. Furthermore, they know acting out as such won't snag them that high quality male that they feel entitled to.

A lot of what we see once they get nice and comfortable in our company, is a result of social conditioning and that girls club cheerleading

That being said these black 8/9's tend to test your gangsta more direct and frequently, even after the point where you've brought them into your inner sanctum.

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(11-15-2015 08:53 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  WIA your experiences are in line with mine

I think these women have two sides and they definitely wear "The Mask".

First there is the woman that they are in a relaxed setting surrounded by their bff, mom and other sympathizing females - brash, opinionated, take no prisoners persona with 'No Scrubs' playing in the background.

I've definitely been around chicks that get the "hood" brought out of em by their GF's. But when you get each of them "one on one", they often grew up in 2 parent households, sometimes lily white suburbs. They didn't turn the switch on, until they realized it got them a certain kind of attention.

(11-15-2015 08:53 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Perhaps some of it can be attributed to socio-economic standing, where some are now in a position to do for themselves what the average man would normally be expected to do. Because of this, there is almost an inner battle going on between submitting herself to a man or fully living an #BossBitch lifestyle where they try to convince one another (over drinks of course) that they are better off single. Honestly I would be almost willing to take a 1pt less if it meant her disposition would be conducive to my piece of mind.

Lol @ #BossBitch.

When I'm at work, The Boss doesn't need to announce HERself. You know, everybody knows. If you gotta announce it, chances are you ain't.

While I'm on the tangent, I actually work with a handful of "boss bitches". Come through with the stilletos on, big purse, flashy jewelry...and I'm thinking to myself, "If you had it like that for real, you wouldn't be here".

(11-15-2015 08:53 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Then there is who they want to be seen and respected as. Furthermore, they know acting out as such won't snag them that high quality male that they feel entitled to.

A lot of what we see once they get nice and comfortable in our company, is a result of social conditioning and that girls club cheerleading

That being said these black 8/9's tend to test your gangsta more direct and frequently, even after the point where you've brought them into your inner sanctum.

So many of these chicks think they deserve Barack, but they not acting like Michelle. Michelle endorsed J. CREW not Jil Sanders.

And the girl's club, ... Even though I'm not a fan of Winfrey I wouldn't mind a bit more Oprah and a lot less "Joseline". At least Oprah can be reasoned with.

It's definitely true that chicks will test you, but I really think they get it twisted.

She's testing your alpha to see if she should trade up. But all it does for me, is show me who she really is.

You're pretty, but clearly you're not worth the headache.

Situation like that, I don't really care what happens, if she stays or goes, cause I'm on my Large Professor at that point.

(11-14-2015 05:28 PM)Moma Wrote:  Rudebwoy, I would say UK guys don't have as good short term game as Americans but their long term game is better. American guys are very good at escalating and going for bangs and UK is more of a less hurried affair. Life in America can be very fast paced, hardly any vacation time and a culture of overtime so when the mans get time off, they move very quickly and look to close ASAP in order to maximise their time.

They will get faster bangs but when it comes to dating, marriage (long term game), I think they fall short of their Afro European counterparts. This is also due to self esteem issues and other factors. Many black Americans (but not all) and this was detailed in the podcast, claim that slavery is a factor in why the confidence thing is a factor when dealing with white lizards and rejections etc.
UK consists of Africans and West Indians who although were also affected by slavery, it was in a different fashion. UK's colonial effect was more hands off whereas America was blatantly sicing the dogs on you and hosing you down and blatant overt segregation.
As a result, there is a lot of resentment in the hearts of many black Americans and this resentment can bubble up when they get rejection from white lizards etc.
On the other hand, someone of UK extract isn't really bothered if white lizards starts chatting rubbish. The mentality is more like 'Oh well, her loss on to the next' rather than let it fester inside.

It's not easy to overcome such resentment but understanding that it's a mentality rather than an actual physical state which is what we cover almost on every podcast, will help those who have this issue and listen, engage in rebuilding steps to overcome this.

I live in America and have dated a number of white women, I also know many black men that have and the general consensus is that white lizards are easy (jungle fever), meaning easier to get with, less bullshit, less drama, than black ones. Brothers here will drop a white chick quick if they give them shit, because they don't take them all that seriously to begin with, but again this is my experience from the front lines that I operate from.

(11-16-2015 12:16 AM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  I live in America and have dated a number of white women, I also know many black men that have and the general consensus is that white lizards are easy (jungle fever), meaning easier to get with, less bullshit, less drama, than black ones. Brothers here will drop a white chick quick if they give them shit, because they don't take them all that seriously to begin with, but again this is my experience from the front lines that I operate from.

You can't generalize them all since they're not all the same and there's over a 100 million of them in the us. A all american type country white girl isn't the same as a white girl that's got the jungle fever.

I'll post the experiences of my brothers in the UK to highlight the "difficulty" in getting white women.

1) Younger bro in his early twenties has banged over thirty white women at a Russell Group university( UK version of Ivy league). His current squeeze is a medical student from Germany whose father is a plastic surgeon.
2) Older bro is in his late forties with a woman from Poland and they have two bi-racial girls. They've been together 15 years. They have travelled to Asia, South America and Africa as an interracial couple. Of all the black guys I know, he is the most out there. He does what he wants and honestly could not care less. He is lucky he has that Will Smith Fresh Prince of Bel-Air personality, which makes him very likeable.
3) My second older brother lives in Scandavia, never settled down and is able to pull blondes like nothing. He is another outlier. He is in his mid forties.He got into a great high school in London on a scholarship because of his insane aptitude test score. He is also 6'2 100kg and sub 20 perent body fat without lifting a weight. I do not respect him as he has underachived massively mainly because he never had to work for it.

That's their experiences. They are lucky they're all over 183cm but they have different personalities. The elderest is the black entertainer, the second elderest is the tall,dark,handsome mysterious type and the youngest is the horny,bad boy. I mention them to prove it's possible. Not one of them are rich or famous. None of them are sports players or muscians. None have bastard children...I hope.

My Sweden review will be posted later this week.