Post: #26

As a general question, some say that girls continue to look at you because "you were looking at them" and they were "wondering why you were looking" (in a very defensive sounding voice), what is your take on this?

Post: #27

(10-25-2013 06:22 PM)MisterSSW4 Wrote:  As a general question, some say that girls continue to look at you because "you were looking at them" and they were "wondering why you were looking" (in a very defensive sounding voice), what is your take on this?

Hamsters gonna spin

Post: #28

I'm still fascinated by eye contact. It never gets old to me. Here's a sort of special variation of the above...

I recently met up with a friend I hadn't seen in a very long time and his wife who I had never met before. When he introduced us she smiled (blushed a little) and held eye contact in that extended way where you know she's kind of into your look or whatever. I held it for a pretty long time but I didn't want to be seen as flirting with his wife right in front of him (I respect the guy), so I deliberately broke eye contact first, looked over at him, and then looked back at her. After I did that I thought maybe that was the wrong move because whenever you break eye contact first it diminishes your inner vibe, regardless of your intentions, or whether you did it consciously or not. Thoughts?

Post: #29

What do you do/did in a college classroom wth average girls eyeing you multipe times a class?

Next to talking with the cutest girls

Post: #30

One question.

When i walk around campus I try to give people eye contact. So what does it mean when you look at a girl and she gives like a quick smile?

And while you guys are walking somewhere do you give out eye contact to anyone or just get to where you are going?

Post: #31

(11-15-2013 12:59 PM)Rosca Wrote:  One question.

When i walk around campus I try to give people eye contact. So what does it mean when you look at a girl and she gives like a quick smile?

And while you guys are walking somewhere do you give out eye contact to anyone or just get to where you are going?

When I walk around campus I make eye contact with most if not all people I walk by, definitely with any girls I think look interesting.

It's important that when you make eye contact you are not just staring at people. Instead you should have a subtle smirk and be smiling mostly with your eyes (meaning that if someone looked at your face they could barely tell you were smiling, but if they looked at your eyes they would know for sure). Essentially, it's the difference between a fake smile and a real one, so you need to be congruent with your smile and your demeanour at the time. Everyone can tell a fake smile from a mile away and nobody likes one. It's also kind of like you're projecting a warm, inviting energy from your eyes as well.

Anyways, since I've been doing this I often notice women's faces light up when we lock eyes, receive plenty of warm eye contact from women and plenty of shy smiles (where they smile briefly as we make eye contact and then as we are walking by each other, they look by/down as their smile lingers). This all happens in about 1-3 seconds as we pass by each other.

Sometimes, I get a "deer in headlights" look where their eyes kind of widen and they almost look like they're in a trance for a brief moment as they briefly freeze up a bit.

I've even had a girl stop dead in her tracks as she was walking horizontally in front of me with her friend, let her friend keep walking forward and talking as she ignored her and stood firmly planted directly in front of me, craning her neck towards me before quickly turning to face me as I was walking toward her (I was maybe 10 ft away). The entire time I was walking toward her she locked right on my eyes and had the biggest smile on her face. She ended up approaching me with an indirect opener.

Eye contact is a game changer.

Post: #32

One thing I find with English women is if they like you they often won't look at you until they are right next to you then they will give you a sneaky sideways glance as you pass. It's great when you catch them do it cos there's only one reason they do that, unless you've got two heads or something it's pretty much 100% game on. They know it and you know it.

To encourage this you have to act like you haven't noticed them as you walk past.

In Europe, Germany in particular, I've noticed girls that like you will maintain eye contact they arent afraid of checking you out.

Post: #33

(11-13-2013 05:51 PM)mastauser Wrote:  What do you do/did in a college classroom with average girls eyeing you multiple times a class?

Just smile.

Then, if you want to bang them, say hi when you see them outside of class.

Start off by asking them about the class..

"How'd you do on the test"
"Are you ready for the midterm"
"Hey, do we have english class together"
"Are you going to the study group"

(11-15-2013 12:59 PM)Rosca Wrote:  what does it mean when you look at a girl and she gives like a quick smile?

It just means that she is socially graceful is not totally repulsed by you.

She might be interested in speaking to you.

(11-15-2013 12:59 PM)Rosca Wrote:  And while you guys are walking somewhere do you give out eye contact to anyone or just get to where you are going?

I look for eye contact from cute girls. Everyone else, I ignore.

Post: #34

I've found a recurring pattern whereby when I have a conversation with a girl, at the start of it I will make sure I maintain eye contact until she looks away first. Sometimes this will feel like it is going on for quite a long time. Often after doing this these girls will then drop something unprovoked about "my boyfriend" this or that, etc. into the conversation.

Post: #35

I have 2 queries about having eye contact.

First, I am not sure of the smile/smirk that is being discussed when the women returns the gaze. Should it be a full-on smile with teeth showing or those slight one sided smile that slowly spreads like some of those PUA websites suggest? Would be helpful if someone reposts that picture as I cant see it. But I can see the 'serious face' pic though.

Second, during conversation, is it agreed there should be eye contact when the guys speak to the girls and a 70/30 ratio when the girl is talking to the guy? I have heard that in clubs and pub scenario when conversation is more difficult, the eye contact should hardly be broken even when speaking into her ear. Is this advisable?

Thanks!

Post: #36

You should do this next time.

Post: #37

Another powerful eye signal you can add to your repertoire is the so-called Eyebrow Flash. It's a universal social greeting signal you can use to establish rapport with women you've just met.

Basically, you look at a person and then rapidly rise and drop your eyebrows. The entire move lasts for a split second and it's pretty effective. I use it often when I meet someone and shake her/his hand, or for example when I walk down the office hallways and run into someone. Women always return the gesture and smile back at me, and from there on it's much easier to open a conversation or begin chatting.

I don't know exactly why Eyebrow Flash is so effective, but evolutionary psychologists claim it's some kind of an inborn gesture that's also used by monkeys and apes. It is not meant to be used on people you don't know (for example, strangers passing down the street), but I still think it could be useful when doing cold openers.

Post: #38

(11-06-2015 08:07 PM)Remington Wrote:  You should do this next time.

Are you serious? It looks rather silly..

Post: #39

(11-07-2015 05:48 AM)Khan Wrote:  Another powerful eye signal you can add to your repertoire is the so-called Eyebrow Flash. It's a universal social greeting signal you can use to establish rapport with women you've just met.

Basically, you look at a person and then rapidly rise and drop your eyebrows. The entire move lasts for a split second and it's pretty effective. I use it often when I meet someone and shake her/his hand, or for example when I walk down the office hallways and run into someone. Women always return the gesture and smile back at me, and from there on it's much easier to open a conversation or begin chatting.

I don't know exactly why Eyebrow Flash is so effective, but evolutionary psychologists claim it's some kind of an inborn gesture that's also used by monkeys and apes. It is not meant to be used on people you don't know (for example, strangers passing down the street), but I still think it could be useful when doing cold openers.

I have tried this and it doesn't seem to work for me at all, I get no response or even if there is, there is no smile or enthusiasm. I am thinking that girls are taking this as a lewd gesture or something..

Post: #40

(11-24-2013 06:28 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Just smile.

Then, if you want to bang them, say hi when you see them outside of class.

Start off by asking them about the class..

"How'd you do on the test"
"Are you ready for the midterm"
"Hey, do we have english class together"
"Are you going to the study group"

I look for eye contact from cute girls. Everyone else, I ignore.

With this ploy, I at least get a number 9 out of 10 times. A few instances so far, I'll side up a with a random girl, like during a passing period and "mistakenly" think she's in my class, as a launch toward gauging her interest in a typical, academically-oriented chat, yada-yada.

Post: #41

(11-07-2015 07:45 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  I have tried this and it doesn't seem to work for me at all, I get no response or even if there is, there is no smile or enthusiasm. I am thinking that girls are taking this as a lewd gesture or something..

As in everything with body language, it depends on the context. I read about this just recently, in The Definitive Guide on Body Language by Barbara and Allan Pease. To clarify, here are some recent examples where I used it successfully when approaching:

- a girl I met while walking my dog. I began chatting with her, and then all of a sudden her dog started barking at me. I eyebrow flashed her and said "someone must be jealous", and got an enthusiastic smile. Until that moment she was somewhat reserved, and I got the impression this move helped her to open up. It's like I communicated "hey, I'm not a weird stranger, I'm a friendly guy, you're safe with me" or something. This is what the authors of the book claim the Eyebrow Flash does, after all.

- I was waiting in line at a public office (these lines are excellent places for situational openers btw), and one guy that entered the clerk's office went out fuming mad, yelling and cursing. A girl that was standing in front of me looked at him surprised, and when our eyes met I did the eyebrow flash and said "the clerks in there must have excellent people skills". She laughed, and then I began to chit-chat with her about waiting in lines etc. Again, I think the eyebrow flash helped me in opening her.

- at work, I always do it to women I already know, and it's often quite successful. But I think the remainder of your body language is important as well. I have good posture while walking - chin high, chest forward, moving slowly. It also helps that I'm tall and dress well, while the majority of men in my company are a complete mess in this regard.

Try experimenting more. But whatever you do, I don't think this will work if you only do the eyebrow flash. You always have to follow up with an opener, a joke or something.

Post: #42

(11-07-2015 07:41 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 08:07 PM)Remington Wrote:  You should do this next time.

Are you serious? It looks rather silly..

No.

Post: #43

(11-06-2015 07:22 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  I have 2 queries about having eye contact.

First, I am not sure of the smile/smirk that is being discussed when the women returns the gaze. Should it be a full-on smile with teeth showing or those slight one sided smile that slowly spreads like some of those PUA websites suggest? Would be helpful if someone reposts that picture as I cant see it. But I can see the 'serious face' pic though.

Second, during conversation, is it agreed there should be eye contact when the guys speak to the girls and a 70/30 ratio when the girl is talking to the guy? I have heard that in clubs and pub scenario when conversation is more difficult, the eye contact should hardly be broken even when speaking into her ear. Is this advisable?

Thanks!

Perhaps this could be the smirk that all the pros are talking about?

http://images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/...-smirk.jpg

Any opinions for the second query?

Post: #44

(11-09-2015 06:37 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 07:22 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  I have 2 queries about having eye contact.

First, I am not sure of the smile/smirk that is being discussed when the women returns the gaze. Should it be a full-on smile with teeth showing or those slight one sided smile that slowly spreads like some of those PUA websites suggest? Would be helpful if someone reposts that picture as I cant see it. But I can see the 'serious face' pic though.

Second, during conversation, is it agreed there should be eye contact when the guys speak to the girls and a 70/30 ratio when the girl is talking to the guy? I have heard that in clubs and pub scenario when conversation is more difficult, the eye contact should hardly be broken even when speaking into her ear. Is this advisable?

Thanks!

Perhaps this could be the smirk that all the pros are talking about?

http://images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/...-smirk.jpg

Any opinions for the second query?

Any feedback on the above guys.. Would like your opinion on eye contact especially in very noisy scenarios where speaking is next to useless. Is constant eye contact the way to hold her attention?

Post: #45

Here is a little eye exercise that I do sometimes when I'm in public:

I call it -- "I'm Not Breaking Eye Contact for No One".

As I'm walking around, I keep my eyes up..

I NEVER LOOK DOWN, LOOK AWAY, OR BREAK EYE CONTACT WITH ANYONE!

I casually scan for eye contact with women, if they give it to me, I hold it for as long as possible, this often leads to a slight smile, smirk, or verbal, "hey how are you". Many times, they look away.

I rarely look other men in the eyes, it is of no interest to me. (unless I'm talking to them)

But, when I do find myself in eye contact with another man, I HOLD IT UNTIL HE BREAKS IT, I NEVER LOOK DOWN OR LOOK AWAY. This often leads to a polite nod or a friendly, "whats up dude".

Doing this has helped build my social confidence.

I starting doing this a few years ago when I had approach anxiety and general social anxiety. I hated the feeling of looking down, looking away, or breaking eye contact; It felt so beta to me. I decided to challenge myself with this little eye contact game.

Most people look away, some smile, some get vexed.

I like to dominate the eye contact. It puts me into an aggressive social state.

**

P.S. -- The only time I might look away is if the guy looking back at me looks like this:

Post: #46

(11-13-2015 12:41 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Here is a little eye exercise that I do sometimes when I'm in public:

I call it -- "I'm Not Breaking Eye Contact for No One".

As I'm walking around, I keep my eyes up..

I NEVER LOOK DOWN, LOOK AWAY, OR BREAK EYE CONTACT WITH ANYONE!

I casually scan for eye contact with women, if they give it to me, I hold it for as long as possible, this often leads to a slight smile, smirk, or verbal, "hey how are you". Many times, they look away.

I rarely look other men in the eyes, it is of no interest to me. (unless I'm talking to them)

But, when I do find myself in eye contact with another man, I HOLD IT UNTIL HE BREAKS IT, I NEVER LOOK DOWN OR LOOK AWAY. This often leads to a polite nod or a friendly, "whats up dude".

Doing this has helped build my social confidence.

I starting doing this a few years ago when I had approach anxiety and general social anxiety. I hated the feeling of looking down, looking away, or breaking eye contact; It felt so beta to me. I decided to challenge myself with this little eye contact game.

Most people look away, some smile, some get vexed.

I like to dominate the eye contact. It puts me into an aggressive social state.

**

P.S. -- The only time I might look away is if the guy looking back at me looks like this:

I am curious to know if you do it in a club scenario as well. You approach up a girl and she seems into you.. It's too loud for conversation and she's not into stepping outside for a smoke or anything. In this case, how much eye contact would you give her? Would too much of that come across as needy? Too little might result in her getting distracted/disinterested? What do you reckon?

Post: #47

(11-16-2015 11:36 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  I am curious to know if you do it in a club scenario as well.

Well, I have done it, but, only about 5 times my entire life.

My nightclub experience is very limited.

(11-16-2015 11:36 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  It's too loud for conversation and she's not into stepping outside for a smoke or anything. In this case, how much eye contact would you give her?

I would give her enough eye contact to get her attention and establish a flirtatious vibe.

(11-16-2015 11:36 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  Would too much of that come across as needy?

It depends how she is receiving and reciprocating the the eye contact.

If she is smiling and liking it, she probably won't perceive it as needy.

If she is not interested in talking to you, she will likely perceive it as needy.

(11-16-2015 11:36 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  Too little might result in her getting distracted/disinterested?

Maybe. There are many factors that could cause her to get distracted/disinterested.

(11-16-2015 11:36 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  What do you reckon?

I reckon that you should go to a club at test these theories for yourself.

Eye contact, when used in a non needy way -- can help establish rapport.

Eye contact, when used in a needy way -- can make girls think you are needy/creepy.

Eye contact is a small part of your total presentation.

There is also your eye ball language (what are your eyes communicating?, how do u move your eyes? where do u focus your vision? etc.)

Overall body language

Looks

Hair

Body

Fashion

Social group

Perceived status

Personality

Etc.

Eye contact is just a small piece of the puzzle. There are many other factors that we must account for.

*****

I used to give needy eye contact. I would look at girls too serious, not playful enough.

I learned to adjust my facial expression and give more relaxed and playful eye contact.

Simply put, eye contact + smile > eye contact with a dead pan, serious, stoic face.

If you're going to communicate with your eyes, display a playful, welcoming vibe.

These look weird:









I prefer a soft smile:

Post: #48

(11-21-2015 12:49 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:36 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  I am curious to know if you do it in a club scenario as well.

Well, I have done it, but, only about 5 times my entire life.

My nightclub experience is very limited.

(11-16-2015 11:36 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  It's too loud for conversation and she's not into stepping outside for a smoke or anything. In this case, how much eye contact would you give her?

I would give her enough eye contact to get her attention and establish a flirtatious vibe.

(11-16-2015 11:36 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  Would too much of that come across as needy?

It depends how she is receiving and reciprocating the the eye contact.

If she is smiling and liking it, she probably won't perceive it as needy.

If she is not interested in talking to you, she will likely perceive it as needy.

(11-16-2015 11:36 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  Too little might result in her getting distracted/disinterested?

Maybe. There are many factors that could cause her to get distracted/disinterested.

(11-16-2015 11:36 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  What do you reckon?

I reckon that you should go to a club at test these theories for yourself.

Eye contact, when used in a non needy way -- can help establish rapport.

Eye contact, when used in a needy way -- can make girls think you are needy/creepy.

Eye contact is a small part of your total presentation.

There is also your eye ball language (what are your eyes communicating?, how do u move your eyes? where do u focus your vision? etc.)

Overall body language

Looks

Hair

Body

Fashion

Social group

Perceived status

Personality

Etc.

Eye contact is just a small piece of the puzzle. There are many other factors that we must account for.

*****

I used to give needy eye contact. I would look at girls too serious, not playful enough.

I learned to adjust my facial expression and give more relaxed and playful eye contact.

Simply put, eye contact + smile > eye contact with a dead pan, serious, stoic face.

If you're going to communicate with your eyes, display a playful, welcoming vibe.

These look weird:









I prefer a soft smile:

How would the smirk that has been mentioned quite a bit in this thread work in such an environment?

Post: #49

A little confused based on the responses - on one hand it seems some are suggesting confident and clear eye contact, while on the other some say it's best to not let her know you're looking and rather position yourself so she notices you. Am I missing something?

Post: #50

(05-10-2013 03:42 PM)MrXY Wrote:  Pretty much- yes

My rule is if I see an attractive girl looking at me I will lock eyes, usually smirk and not look away, forcing her to break eye contact first

These are animalistic dominance tests-she is seeing if you are more dominant than her. This is a contest she wants you to win.

If you look away first, you lost- good luck with ever banging her or even talking to her-no girl wants a man she can outstare

You're correct that hotter girls stare longer-they are the more alpha girls and are looking for a more alpha guy-one who is not intimidated by the stare of a hot girl. I've had a few remarkably long staring contests with hot girls


I'm speaking here of girls you don't know and aren't in a conversation with-the conversational eye contact is different

What kind of results are you getting with that smirk? I have tried this and it seems to evoke no response and might have even pissed them off as compared to just looking into their eyse which forces most of them to break into a smile.