Post: #4851

Quote:"Oh, normally I'd be down I've just got a kind of a long list of guys who have asked already at this particular moment. If nothing else works out though hit me up in a couple weeks and I'll probably have a different response I'm just apparently in high demand this week"

These women are bullshit artists.

Have you ever been on a date with a girl and she's been telling you about all the "hot" guys she's had to reject in the past month? Have you ever encountered any of that disingenuous DHV shit girls try to pull? It's all baloney. One time I was on a date with this married woman, and cue the DHV about her not being attracted to her husband any more despite him being "so hot" and "really sexy". Little do these women know that I'm a pretty good internet detective and have scoped out their online footprint.

The husband was a beta, weedy nerd.

Don't believe the hype.

Post: #4852

(10-14-2015 08:02 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  1) Those that will meet you
2) Those that will never meet you

It really is that simple. The one thing I left out on my previous post was that "booked up" girl and I had moved from messaging in the app to texting so I had originally thought there was an actual chance of meeting but I quickly realized that it was not going to be the case.

Post: #4853

(10-14-2015 08:02 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  One recent example was this 27 year old blonde POF chick who was hitting me up with provocative photos. After having left it a while to reply to a text she reeled me back in with "we'll have to meet up sometime". So, after a few text exchanges building rapport I suggested meeting.

Her response was "I'm really busy, but text me again in about two weeks". Gents, that type of behaviour is unforgivable. Number deleted immediately.

I allowed myself to get strung along by a weirdo like that early on in my online dating game when I didn't know any better.

She lived some distance from me and used instant messenger to send me sexy pics, etc. and wanted to chat with me every day, saying how cute I was and so on, but would ignore me or blow me off every time I pushed to meet, saying how busy she was with her family life - while at the same time texting me pictures of her out with the girls at da club on the weekends.

After (like an idiot) I allowed myself to be put through way too much of this, I eventually called her out on her shit (I don't bother doing this anymore either, as I know now the general wisdom is that it's pointless) and she went full psycho-bitch-histrionic on me, calling me up screaming and sending me nasty messages on the site and saying I was a psychopath.

In the grip of her anger, however, the truth came out - she already had a bunch of dates scheduled with other dudes and was just stringing me along because she was bored and needed a diversion, or perhaps a last-resort option if nothing else panned out.

Never again.

Post: #4854

(10-14-2015 02:10 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  and she went full psycho-bitch-histrionic on me, calling me up screaming and sending me nasty messages on the site and saying I was a psychopath.

It's for that very reason that other than satisfying my sexual needs I really have no interest in interacting with the typical woman on these sites...

Post: #4855

(10-14-2015 02:10 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 08:02 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  One recent example was this 27 year old blonde POF chick who was hitting me up with provocative photos. After having left it a while to reply to a text she reeled me back in with "we'll have to meet up sometime". So, after a few text exchanges building rapport I suggested meeting.

Her response was "I'm really busy, but text me again in about two weeks". Gents, that type of behaviour is unforgivable. Number deleted immediately.

I allowed myself to get strung along by a weirdo like that early on in my online dating game when I didn't know any better.

She lived some distance from me and used instant messenger to send me sexy pics, etc. and wanted to chat with me every day, saying how cute I was and so on, but would ignore me or blow me off every time I pushed to meet, saying how busy she was with her family life - while at the same time texting me pictures of her out with the girls at da club on the weekends.

After (like an idiot) I allowed myself to be put through way too much of this, I eventually called her out on her shit (I don't bother doing this anymore either, as I know now the general wisdom is that it's pointless) and she went full psycho-bitch-histrionic on me, calling me up screaming and sending me nasty messages on the site and saying I was a psychopath.

In the grip of her anger, however, the truth came out - she already had a bunch of dates scheduled with other dudes and was just stringing me along because she was bored and needed a diversion, or perhaps a last-resort option if nothing else panned out.

Never again.

It's a good thing when a man learns his lesson. Some men make this mistake but keep repeating it over and over again. That is what these women are counting on. I have come to the realisation NEVER to waste time on these girls when there are a dozen more right around the corner who WILL meet you. I mean, why would you bother with the time wasters unless they're a 10.

10s aren't hanging out online though.

Sometimes I have fantasies about all of the thirsty men doing something like out of Atlas Shrugged and withdrawing their effort. It would be a joy to see the havoc that would cause to these women's psyches.

Post: #4856

Decided to join OKC and give it a test. Seems to be quite a lack of quality on there in the UK but there are many foreign girls. I suspect it is actually a good tool for some flag collecting. Anyway my account is about two weeks old. I sent out 20 messages and got back 4 responses. 1 English, 1 Filipino, 1 Thai & 1 Bahrain. The English and Thai are the best looking of the 4.

I have met up and banged the Filipino and obtained the flag in the process - never again, sweet girl but I just wanted the flag if you get what I mean. The English ones message exchange was not that interesting and I doubt I'll get the number so I guess I can rule that out. I should get the number for the Bahraini. Given that it is an obscure country she is the one I want to bang next from there - that'll be a one time thing to.

The Thai girl was most complimentary about by profile by saying "you seem very interesting so I can't just let you walk by. " Too bad she's over 100 miles away but if I can get her invested enough I'm sure she will make the journey over. I was just down her way for the weekend visiting family.

Nearly 100% of my messages result in a profile view. My profile is funny but I only have one picture, although given the general lack of quality on the site I'm not overly fussed about the lack of pictures.

There are so many troll accounts that are so obviously fake I ignore them. Some of them are really funny though.

Post: #4857

To add something useful to this thread from my own experience:

Obviously, women on online dating sites like to keep their options open as much as men do. But they're just not very good at texting game because, well, they don't have to be. When I'm working "prospects" I've developed the ability to keep several conversations going at one time without resorting to one line responses and so on.

For the most part I've found that women online don't bother with this - they want the ability to choose from the top selection of whoever's hitting them up, but in general I don't think they particularly like chatting with too many male strangers at one time.

So it's been my experience that you end up with two kinds of stringers as you attempt to close on a date. There will be the woman who will send you one line responses like 'lol ok' and 'oh that's weird haha' to your openers and followups; likely because she's decided to try texting with ten dudes at once in a futile attempt to keep them all on the hook for as long as possible, but her text game skills are not nearly up to the task.

The other type will send you long-winded replies to your openers and followups, because the way this type of stringer plays things is that she focuses on one dude at a time and essentially ignores her other messages, until she gets bored and decides to focus on someone else. You can often recognize this type of stringer as she'll send a fairly coherent reply of a few sentences or more to your opener, but sometimes it can be many days or up to a week since you first sent it. That's because she's gotten bored with whatever herb struck her fancy for a while, and has gone digging through her past messages looking for fresh meat.

For best results it's been my experience that the date pitch should go a little different for each of these "personality types". Interestingly, it seems the former type is often happy to keep sending one line responses day after day until the cows come home. They also tend to be younger, and they're definitely the type you want to pitch the meet within the first couple of messages. Nine times out of ten they'll bail on the conversation at that point, because all they wanted was to keep you on the hook, and you boxed them in to making a decision. Weed them out fast.

That one time out of ten, though, you may be the best thing on the table at the moment, and they'll be ready to meet at a moment's notice.

For the second type, it's been my experience that pitching the date _too early_ actually does put them off. For the moment you're the main guy they're focusing on, and they want to pre-screen you to see if you're up to snuff before committing to anything. Pitch the date too early in the interaction, and they'll be put-off. "Hey buddy, I don't even know you." This is the type I have the most luck with closing on numbers/meetups with, and a little comfort-building goes a long way. 10-15 well written back and forth text messages is usually all it takes to change a "I don't even know you!" to a "Hey, I should give this guy my number", if done right.

Even so, with the second type, if you don't close on a number/meet within the first exchange and it stretches out to last more than a day, your chances of success rapidly fall off. Things may be going along fine with the brief comfort-building process and she ejects anyway. Don't delete the conversation or hide their profile. Sometimes a chick will eject on you and then even months later come back visiting your profile and will be almost guaranteed to respond again to your opener - in many cases they don't even remember your initial interaction. Just game on as usual - myself and many others have had good results with repeat customers like that... ; )

Post: #4858

^Online is starting to seem like too much. I just re-wrote my summary again, haha. I'm starting to think its my location. I haven't been able to pull a chick (decent chicks) of this thing locally since finding out about it. I'd like to hear anyone from Atlanta's experience with online dating and the quality you guys see.

Post: #4859

That's a good write up. The more I communicate with women on text the more I realise how fucking useless they are at it. They have serious difficulties talking to several guys at the same time which is why you see those quick one liners and then no reply for several days before some bullshit "sorry..." message. They are lazy as hell in texting which is why sending them questions, especially ones that require any sort of thinking is best avoided especially in the early interaction. You can sort of imagine a girl getting "Hey how are you?" from 5 guys and ignoring all of them, and then responding to the guy who out of the blue sends her "Such a slut".

Post: #4860

Anyone else not have a problem getting messages but thinking of shit to talk about?

Either they message me first or a simple "hey" from me usually gets a response, issue is actually talking, I am much better in person and have always hated texting, you just cant express everything like you really want.

Post: #4861

^ Just keep asking her questions. Women love to talk about themselves. This also works great for screening women that actually have a genuine interest in you.

For example, if you ask them a question and they give a detailed answer and ask you a question in return; such as "how about you?" or "what are your thoughts?," then you know she is interested. If you receive a line or a one word answer, try asking another question. If/When she responds in the same kind of manner as before, move on to the next girl.

It is also very obvious that she's not interested if she doesn't ask you any questions. Just means she is all about herself and could care less about who you are.

Of course, you could have women that are super into you but go dark or delete their accounts after a few days. It's all a numbers game. Keep playing.

Post: #4862

"you could have women that are super into you but go dark or delete their accounts after a few days" had this happen even after the chick ask me to hit her up when I'm free.

Just had an asian 6 (think chubby librarian) pretty much rejected me after me negging her about her bs profile.

"most girls that claim not to be clingy are indeed quite clingy"

"Thank you for your message, but I'm not interested."

Its not that I really wanted to date her but the audacity of some of these chicks, lol.

Post: #4863

Yea remington, its just ugh, I hate having to sit there and act like I actually give a shit lol, I just wanna hook up and get the lay as quick as possible.

Post: #4864

(10-12-2015 02:04 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  Well, if are in the burbs (and believe me, I know the pitfalls of running online game from the burbs), I would increase your radius for starters to at least 50 or 75 (type it in manually in the URL bar). The only advantage you have living in the burbs is easier access to various other suburban/exburb/small town chicks. Trying to compete for city chicks or chicks who are socially connected to the city is mostly a waste of time in my view. An online chick in a small town that you are physically closer to vs a city guy is your best bet. But the quantity of options are slim so you have to swoop these chicks quick.

I've made the mistake of trying to hookup with girls from the city too many times. I just came to a realization it's never worked for me. Thinking back I've been on literally 1 date with a girl from the city and I was able to get her to drive out to me. Date sucked but I it was a 2 min walk from my apartment so she had a nice ride home. Other than that its a complete waste and partially its my fault because I realize most of the times the girls really aren't hot enough to be putting out the effort of coming out to them.

Side note how do you work out the logistics for 50-75 mile girls? Is this basically try and literally form a distance relationship first to minimize chances on getting screwed over? Last thing I anyone wants to do is drive 50 miles out for a beer with a girl and then have that deep sinking feeling it was all for nothing and drive back another 50 miles home.

Post: #4865

(10-12-2015 06:18 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  Having been to several US cities in the past year, I think the only place OKC is probably worth a damn on a regular basis anymore is NYC. The sheer number of prospects there makes running online game pretty straight forward without too much time investment. ENDLESS amounts of 6/7’s, good ratios, many down to fuck with no games or bullshit, numbers come easy, aggressive about meeting. NYC was paradise for online game. Several other small/medium/large towns I’ve been to? Total shitshows. I’ll get numbers (I got 5 from online in the last 2 days – NOT NYC) but the quality just isn’t there for the amount of effort and time

Based on the phone calls I’ve had with women I’ve pulled numbers from online, I’d say the vast majority are socially retarded / boring / stupid / cunty /dull as fuck. 1 or 2 years ago, I’d get that as well but not nearly in such great numbers; it was balanced out by some semi-decent chicks. Today? The juice just isn’t worth the squeeze anymore and I’m about to close the book on OKC.

Yeah the opportunities for women in NYC makes me want to move there. Anytime i've been there i've done well at bars and online game looks like it's amazing compared to other cities. No more issues with driving 20 miles to meet someone for drinks. I just did the following search OKC --> white women, ages 23-29 with fit bodies who are Online now within 5 miles

within 5 miles of downtown Mahattan = 405 girls
within 5 miles of downtown DC = 101 girls
within 5 miles of downtown Chicago = 97 girls(probably would be second highest if I did the search at 9pm central time)
within 5 miles of downtown Boston = 96 girls
within 5 miles of downtown Philly = 62 girls
within 5 miles of downtown Atlanta = 28 girls
within 5 miles of downtown Miami = 7 girls
within 5 miles of downtown Detroit = 4 girls
within 5 miles of downtown Tampa = 2 girls



In general I will say online is getting tougher but I will say I personally am getting better results now than a few years ago because i've spent the last few years improving my profile. More so my pictures are better and one thing I will say is you should always continue to work on your pictures. Try to make yourself as good looking as you possible can in real life(through diet/exercise/clothing/hair/facial hair) and then try to obtain the best possible pictures as well. Good pictures will be net you the biggest jump and that's basically the only way you will be able to combat the downturn on online dating itself. Even with that i've considered getting rid of it because suburb gaming fucking sucks. Dealing with driving and girls showing up late because they hit traffic and then they have to leave early because they have to drive back home and get to bed.

Post: #4866

I checked this site, and this thread, just to see if others were thinking what I was thinking. OKCupid is indeed on the decline, and it has been for some time, but the the pace of the decline has quickly accelerated in the last few months. I have probably never gotten as few matches and page visits as I have gotten in the last month for any month I have been on in the last two years. I think the number of women joining is going down. I am not sure if I would say the same thing about online in general though. It is not clear to me that Tinder is in decline, and my guess is that Hinge, despite its many technical glitches, is on the up and up.

Post: #4867

(10-21-2015 07:45 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 02:04 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  Well, if are in the burbs (and believe me, I know the pitfalls of running online game from the burbs), I would increase your radius for starters to at least 50 or 75 (type it in manually in the URL bar). The only advantage you have living in the burbs is easier access to various other suburban/exburb/small town chicks. Trying to compete for city chicks or chicks who are socially connected to the city is mostly a waste of time in my view. An online chick in a small town that you are physically closer to vs a city guy is your best bet. But the quantity of options are slim so you have to swoop these chicks quick.

I've made the mistake of trying to hookup with girls from the city too many times. I just came to a realization it's never worked for me. Thinking back I've been on literally 1 date with a girl from the city and I was able to get her to drive out to me. Date sucked but I it was a 2 min walk from my apartment so she had a nice ride home. Other than that its a complete waste and partially its my fault because I realize most of the times the girls really aren't hot enough to be putting out the effort of coming out to them.

Side note how do you work out the logistics for 50-75 mile girls? Is this basically try and literally form a distance relationship first to minimize chances on getting screwed over? Last thing I anyone wants to do is drive 50 miles out for a beer with a girl and then have that deep sinking feeling it was all for nothing and drive back another 50 miles home.

HAHAHAA.... distance relationship with an online chick? Not a chance in hell on my watch!

You just run phone game after getting the digits. Call her and have a conversation with her for 15-20 minutes. Depending on how fast you can read a chick on the phone for compatibility and what you're looking for (I can usually figure it out anywhere between 20 seconds to 5 minutes), you can decide then if a meet is worth pursuing. Get her to send a pic because you've been duped before and due to the distance, you don't want to take the risk of being catfished. Make them drive to you if you have logistics. If you don't, go all the way to their area if you are getting good vibes on the phone. Meet halfway and you will likely cockblock yourself.

I have driven far as fuck in the past for first meets. Some have blown up in my face, some I have ended up banging that night. One important thing to get out of the way BEFORE driving to them (assuming you do meets in the evening) is directly asking them if they have to get up early the next morning. You can preface it a bit by saying traffic/work might be a problem and you want to know how much flexibility she has time wise.

It might seem too forward but if a chick knows you are driving far to see her and she says she has to goto bed early/get up early the next day, she is wasting your fuckin time. Some chicks are honest to god dense as hell and really think you will drive an hour each way and spend 15 bucks on gas just to have a 45 minute meet+greet date with them. This is why phone game is critical; you need to vet out any possible bullshit.

Quote:Yeah the opportunities for women in NYC makes me want to move there. Anytime i've been there i've done well at bars and online game looks like it's amazing compared to other cities.

NYC online, relatively speaking compared to anywhere else in the US, is amazing. Its like someone turned on cheat codes. I've seen some guys complain about NYC women wise and all I can think is what the fuck are they smoking? For ease/variety of bangs of decent looking women, it's not even a fuckin contest. I remember returning from NYC and being viscerally angry walking around my local supermarket and then checking out the local online talent and it just felt like I was being cheated. MAJOR drop in quality, variety, and ease. Too bad NYC is stupid expensive and not a very pleasant city in many respects.

Post: #4868

(10-22-2015 12:26 AM)Indefatigable Wrote:  I checked this site, and this thread, just to see if others were thinking what I was thinking. OKCupid is indeed on the decline, and it has been for some time, but the the pace of the decline has quickly accelerated in the last few months. I have probably never gotten as few matches and page visits as I have gotten in the last month for any month I have been on in the last two years. I think the number of women joining is going down. I am not sure if I would say the same thing about online in general though. It is not clear to me that Tinder is in decline, and my guess is that Hinge, despite its many technical glitches, is on the up and up.

OKC IS no doubt on the decline. As I said in an earlier post, the amount of new accounts/faces has dropped severely in the past year.

Anyone have any idea what the next online thing is? I just read about Hinge (http://www.boston.com/business/2014/08/1...ory.html):

"Hinge only matches people who actually share Facebook friends. It also gives you the full name, contact information, and sometimes even where your match works, rendering users neither shady nor faceless."

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccckkkkkkkkk that!

Post: #4869

(10-14-2015 08:02 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  You've got to be aware that there are two types of chicks online:

1) Those that will meet you
2) Those that will never meet you

The ones in camp 1 will hand out their number without any reservation, and be totally pliable when it comes to arranging a date no matter how soon into the interaction it is. The ones in camp 2 you have been messaging will almost never give you a definite "no" when it comes to meeting, they will instead string you along with all sorts of insanity.

Any time I receive any kind of resistance like "let's chat on here for a while first" or "hit me up next week" or "I'm going to Spain" the number is deleted IMMEDIATELY without exception regardless of her looks. These women are seeking validation from an internet boyfriend. Don't feed the beast.

I don't chase and I don't ping a few days later.

One recent example was this 27 year old blonde POF chick who was hitting me up with provocative photos. After having left it a while to reply to a text she reeled me back in with "we'll have to meet up sometime". So, after a few text exchanges building rapport I suggested meeting.

Her response was "I'm really busy, but text me again in about two weeks". Gents, that type of behaviour is unforgivable. Number deleted immediately.

Those are PRECISELY my sentiments.

I try to pre-filter these chicks by never initiating conversation. Even many chicks that will take the time to message me first give me this type of BS. Eg: "I'm busy tomorrow but i MIGHT be free Thursday"

Delete everything (number, txts, online messages) immediately. Hell if they get back to me alright, but take her off your mind completely.

Even just giving this type of half-assed reply is just a downright bad sign. One chick like this did get back to me, she set up a date and then proceeded to flake on it.

Girls who will not fuck with you will simply say:
"Wednesday night? Oh I'm only free after 9pm if that works for you?"
"Man I really can't tomorrow, how about Thursday?"

Vague responses = fuck off.

Post: #4870

Hey guys, agree with the general decline in okc quality. I swooped 24 (or 26? whatever) girls last year, a good 12 of them from okc. This year, my total is 10 and only 4 from okc. Yes, I've started bailing out of fatties, or non-smokers, or unfit chicks but I think my okc game is not as sharp as before.

Anyone here willing to review my profile and shoot some ideas? In return I'll do the same, and buy you a beet if/when we meet offline!

Post: #4871

POF, which is bigger by far than OKC in my area, has gotten so squalid with hideous looking women that I can barely stand to look at it anymore. I used to be able to bang decent looking chicks off there regulary but now I seldom see one I even want to message.

Tinder quality is pretty good; I think the better girls have migrated there and maybe to Match. I'm hitting Tinder daily now and met a girl who may be LTR quality- very pretty, educated, no kids, awesome job, cultured, and seems really into me, though no bang yet because she's more conservative ( a good thing).

Post: #4872

Those motherfuckers blocked me without any reason.
I get the message "We’re having technical difficulties,
try again later." I created another account to check if my old account is still there but they deleted it.

Post: #4873

(10-25-2015 02:14 AM)mntrsx Wrote:  Those motherfuckers blocked me without any reason.
I get the message "We’re having technical difficulties,
try again later." I created another account to check if my old account is still there but they deleted it.

You're absolutely sure your account was deleted?

Earlier this year I had a problem where I thought I was blocked from the site, but I was not. Apparently OKCupid sometimes gets DDOS attacks/abuse from certain IP address ranges, and it seems that sometimes the way they deal with this problem is to (temporarily?) hellban certain IP ranges from connecting to the site.

The problem with this is that if you use DSL or some other ISP tech that draws from a rotating pool of IP addresses, you might be randomly assigned an IP address from the pool in the banned range.

When it happened to me I just kept resetting my modem until it was assigned a new IP address from the pool and the error messages stopped.

Post: #4874

I don't know about you guys but I've never seen this state of okc this bad in ages.

Girls don't even care to visit your profile. At all. Not even to check it out. Whether it's a personal well written message or a copy pasta or even an insult. Nothing. It's like talking to a wall. I think okc has the most time wasters and attention whore.

Post: #4875

(10-25-2015 05:56 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  I don't know about you guys but I've never seen this state of okc this bad in ages.

Girls don't even care to visit your profile. At all. Not even to check it out. Whether it's a personal well written message or a copy pasta or even an insult. Nothing. It's like talking to a wall. I think okc has the most time wasters and attention whore.

There seems to be a general consensus brewing that it's really started to slide in just the past couple months. I did pretty well over the summer, but response rates and visits have been plunging for me. I've had a half-dozen conversations over the past week that I couldn't get anything out of because either a) she didn't respond past the first one or two messages or b) she went ghost or hit me with a vague reply that indicated her to be at time waster when I pitched the date. And some of these girls were "5"s at best.

I think the site is definitely headed towards peak attention whore if it's not there already.