(10-05-2015 07:39 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote: How hard is it to learn enough Russian to pass a language test?
Russia has 20 million Muslims and growing. You might want to take up Hungarian instead.
There are a lot of provinces with (virtually) no Muslims at all though. Besides, sheer numbers are not that bad when your national spirit is such that you are willing to retaliate against their demands and violence. And when the politicians are not enforcing laws and policies aimed at preventing you from defending yourself.
Can you imagine what would have happened if Rotherham has happened in Russia?
Well, to be honest, it could not have happened in Russia because before they raped the 10th girl, an angry Russian father would have killed them.
Quote:How hard is it to learn enough Russian to pass a language test?
I'm currently learning Spanish (slowly but surely). If things do not improve in the next 2 years, I'm fucking off Europe. Hello, South America.
Just to put this in perspective, I'm a highly skilled software engineer. I earn more than 4 times the average national wage. My taxes solely pay at least for the pensions of 2 pensioners and the (however meagre) welfare payments of 2-3 gypsies.
Good luck replacing me with illiterate arabs and afghans for whom escaping to Europe was probably the greatest achievement of their lives.
I don't think Syrians really want to go to Bulgaria, Romania or any other undeveloped country in the EU. Syrians without valid work permits in Turkey make more than 300 euros just by working in the sweatshops, why would they move to Bulgaria to earn 400 euros? They're using Greece, Bulgaria as a passage to go to Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Germany. The Syrians had it better than people in Bulgaria, Romania before this war erupted, they won't move to downgrade their living standard.
(10-05-2015 08:45 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote: That should be about 1600€ for Bulgaria. Before or after tax if I may ask.
A little bit below that after tax.
Alright, let´s see.
For example, until recently a recognized asylum seeker in Denmark received 1400€ welfare money. Only due to the crisis they slashed it down to 450€ now. Including all subsidies and welfare payments, it is still around 1400€ in Sweden, and similar in Luxembourg, a bit less in the Netherlands and Belgium.
In Austria and, ironically, Germany it is "only" around 800€.
In Bulgaria they´d only receive about 25€, 90€ in Estonia, less than 150€ in Hungary, around 60€ in Slovakia, and less than 130€ in Poland or Latvia. And Greece? 0,00€!
So you are a highly qualified Bulgarian software engineer, citizen of the EU, from a member state where the average wage is 400€, much lower for pensioners and other unfortunates.
You earn let´s say 1400€ a month.
So you are an illiterate Somali refugee who traveled to Sweden.
You receive around 1400€ a month.
(10-05-2015 08:45 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote: That should be about 1600€ for Bulgaria. Before or after tax if I may ask.
A little bit below that after tax.
Alright, let´s see.
For example, until recently a recognized asylum seeker in Denmark received 1400€ welfare money. Only due to the crisis they slashed it down to 450€ now. Including all subsidies and welfare payments, it is still around 1400€ in Sweden, and similar in Luxembourg, a bit less in the Netherlands and Belgium.
In Austria and, ironically, Germany it is "only" around 800€.
In Bulgaria they´d only receive about 25€, 90€ in Estonia, less than 150€ in Hungary, around 60€ in Slovakia, and less than 130€ in Poland or Latvia. And Greece? 0,00€!
So you are a highly qualified Bulgarian software engineer, cititzen of the EU, from a member state where the average wage is 400€, much lower for pensioners and other unfortunates.
You earn let´s say 1400€ a month.
So you are an illiterate Somali refugee who traveled to Sweden. You receive around 1400€ a month.
The refugees aren't looking for poosy paradise, they are looking for 'welfare paradise,' and they realize its Denmark, Sweden, Germany, etc.
(10-05-2015 08:45 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote: That should be about 1600€ for Bulgaria. Before or after tax if I may ask.
A little bit below that after tax.
Alright, let´s see.
For example, until recently a recognized asylum seeker in Denmark received 1400€ welfare money. Only due to the crisis they slashed it down to 450€ now. Including all subsidies and welfare payments, it is still around 1400€ in Sweden, and similar in Luxembourg, a bit less in the Netherlands and Belgium.
In Austria and, ironically, Germany it is "only" around 800€.
In Bulgaria they´d only receive about 25€, 90€ in Estonia, less than 150€ in Hungary, around 60€ in Slovakia, and less than 130€ in Poland or Latvia. And Greece? 0,00€!
So you are a highly qualified Bulgarian software engineer, cititzen of the EU, from a member state where the average wage is 400€, much lower for pensioners and other unfortunates.
You earn let´s say 1400€ a month.
So you are an illiterate Somali refugee who traveled to Sweden. You receive around 1400€ a month.
The refugees aren't looking for poosy paradise, they are looking for 'welfare paradise,' and they realize its Denmark, Sweden, Germany, etc.
I'm pretty sure many of them believe that poosy paradise is included in the package. And that they are certainly entitled to it.
(10-05-2015 08:45 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote: That should be about 1600€ for Bulgaria. Before or after tax if I may ask.
A little bit below that after tax.
Alright, let´s see.
For example, until recently a recognized asylum seeker in Denmark received 1400€ welfare money. Only due to the crisis they slashed it down to 450€ now. Including all subsidies and welfare payments, it is still around 1400€ in Sweden, and similar in Luxembourg, a bit less in the Netherlands and Belgium.
In Austria and, ironically, Germany it is "only" around 800€.
In Bulgaria they´d only receive about 25€, 90€ in Estonia, less than 150€ in Hungary, around 60€ in Slovakia, and less than 130€ in Poland or Latvia. And Greece? 0,00€!
So you are a highly qualified Bulgarian software engineer, cititzen of the EU, from a member state where the average wage is 400€, much lower for pensioners and other unfortunates.
You earn let´s say 1400€ a month.
So you are an illiterate Somali refugee who traveled to Sweden. You receive around 1400€ a month.
The refugees aren't looking for poosy paradise, they are looking for 'welfare paradise,' and they realize its Denmark, Sweden, Germany, etc.
I'm pretty sure many of them believe that poosy paradise is included in the package. And that they are certainly entitled to it.
I'm starting to wonder if I'm the sucker for working in the USA while the 'refugees' are headed to poosy paradise with welfare benefits.
(10-05-2015 08:45 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote: That should be about 1600€ for Bulgaria. Before or after tax if I may ask.
A little bit below that after tax.
Alright, let´s see.
For example, until recently a recognized asylum seeker in Denmark received 1400€ welfare money. Only due to the crisis they slashed it down to 450€ now. Including all subsidies and welfare payments, it is still around 1400€ in Sweden, and similar in Luxembourg, a bit less in the Netherlands and Belgium.
In Austria and, ironically, Germany it is "only" around 800€.
In Bulgaria they´d only receive about 25€, 90€ in Estonia, less than 150€ in Hungary, around 60€ in Slovakia, and less than 130€ in Poland or Latvia. And Greece? 0,00€!
The current refugees at least in Poland have different rates. In Poland they get a fully furbished place to live, food money or catering and about 450 EUR per person for further living expenses. I don't know how long that payment lasts - normally they don't get that in Poland and certainly no local Pole gets any financial benefit even remotely similar to that. Similar agreements might exist in all countries - Hungary and Slovakia as well at least for the contingent allotted by the EU.
There are warning out there from liberal Muslims that Salafist will take over young refugees because they do better social work then the government. The government lack to take social care of them and like many young western people too, they struggle with modern society.
They are a greater danger then some maybe terrorist that slip into the refugee storm.
Germany had issues with integration before, also now there are talks about the very left wing and refugee friendly party Die Grünen (the greens). They can not on one hand sit in some states in the government and act strict against refugees and on the government side are opposite to the government because they are not in.
Also that there are no stricter laws needed. Just that the laws that exist should be used. This means that people should get deported and the justice system should punish people that commit crimes. Not look away because of ideological mulit culti reasons.
(10-05-2015 02:06 PM)Going strong Wrote: Back to this migrants' invasion:
Now, Algerians and Moroccans have entered the game!
This is only the beginning. There is no limit on the numbers who would want to come to Europe.
If Europe doesn't become 'intolerant' towards any group which will risk its survival, it will die.
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(10-05-2015 11:06 PM)Parzival Wrote: There are warning out there from liberal Muslims that Salafist will take over young refugees because they do better social work then the government. The government lack to take social care of them and like many young western people too, they struggle with modern society.
They are a greater danger then some maybe terrorist that slip into the refugee storm.
Germany had issues with integration before, also now there are talks about the very left wing and refugee friendly party Die Grünen (the greens). They can not on one hand sit in some states in the government and act strict against refugees and on the government side are opposite to the government because they are not in.
Also that there are no stricter laws needed. Just that the laws that exist should be used. This means that people should get deported and the justice system should punish people that commit crimes. Not look away because of ideological mulit culti reasons.
Social care won't do shit. The Salafists are not some kind of great social workers - they tap into the current of frustration.
The Muslim migrants from Turkey in Germany and North Africa in the Netherlands who came there in the 1970s were backwards, but they found jobs instantly and were peaceful. The problems came with the 2nd and 3rd generations, since many were unemployed & education was in most cases not a priority for them - they remained in their ghettos and were pliable for more backwards thinking.
I can guarantee you that if they all found jobs, were working with the locals, were involved in their lives, going out together and mingling with the other German and Dutch people, then there wouldn't be much of a problem with them. But to have attained that you would have needed zero % unemployment like in the 1970s.
From personal example I know some of them who went to university. I have seen how they behave and even if their fathers were Imams or were having more traditional views on women, they enjoyed going out with us and most later hitched up with a less slutty Western girl. Islam was still part of their lives, but they preferred to live secular lives and not take things so seriously. The same thing would happen to the low-tier side of the European Muslims, but of course only with full employment. That however will not come in the foreseeable future anywhere in the West. Instead of mingling and integrating there will be separation and more extreme thoughts and actions.
Well, at current rates the welfare state in Sweden will collapse in a decade.
Also, 1400 euro in Sweden is not the same as 1400 euro in Bulgaria - the former will probably assure a meagre existence. My lifestyle here will probably require a 60000-70000 net earings per year in the US (in a big city not in the valley).
Quote:I can guarantee you that if they all found jobs, were working with the locals, were involved in their lives, going out together and mingling with the other German and Dutch people, then there wouldn't be much of a problem with them. But to have attained that you would have needed zero % unemployment like in the 1970s.
Quote:I don't think Syrians really want to go to Bulgaria, Romania or any other undeveloped country in the EU. Syrians without valid work permits in Turkey make more than 300 euros just by working in the sweatshops, why would they move to Bulgaria to earn 400 euros? They're using Greece, Bulgaria as a passage to go to Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Germany. The Syrians had it better than people in Bulgaria, Romania before this war erupted, they won't move to downgrade their living standard.
Syrian GDP per capita 2010:
nominal - $2,802
PPP - $5,040
Bulgarian GDP per capita 2010
nominal - $4500
PPP - $14691
So, no they did not have it better. However bullshit measure of well-being GDP is, in that case I believe the magnitude of differences is pretty accurate.
Besides,
a) the EU will force syrians on Bulgaria whether we want it or not. From the 160 000 currently successfully negotiated for redistribution, we are getting 1300. Since I believe that eventually at least 1 000 000 will be redestributed on top of that, we will get at least 10 000 more. That's in addition to the 15 000 already here officially (how many of them are still in the country nobody knows).
b) not only syrians are migrating. For afghans and africans, the boost in living standards will be significant.
Well, at current rates the welfare state in Sweden will collapse in a decade.
Also, 1400 euro in Sweden is not the same as 1400 euro in Bulgaria - the former will probably assure a meagre existence. My lifestyle here will probably require a 60000-70000 net earings per year in the US (in a big city not in the valley).
Quote:I can guarantee you that if they all found jobs, were working with the locals, were involved in their lives, going out together and mingling with the other German and Dutch people, then there wouldn't be much of a problem with them. But to have attained that you would have needed zero % unemployment like in the 1970s.
Quote:I don't think Syrians really want to go to Bulgaria, Romania or any other undeveloped country in the EU. Syrians without valid work permits in Turkey make more than 300 euros just by working in the sweatshops, why would they move to Bulgaria to earn 400 euros? They're using Greece, Bulgaria as a passage to go to Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Germany. The Syrians had it better than people in Bulgaria, Romania before this war erupted, they won't move to downgrade their living standard.
Syrian GDP per capita 2010:
nominal - $2,802
PPP - $5,040
Bulgarian GDP per capita 2010
nominal - $4500
PPP - $14691
So, no they did not have it better. However bullshit measure of well-being GDP is, in that case I believe the magnitude of differences is pretty accurate.
Besides,
a) the EU will force syrians on Bulgaria whether we want it or not. From the 160 000 currently successfully negotiated for redistribution, we are getting 1300. Since I believe that eventually at least 1 000 000 will be redestributed on top of that, we will get at least 10 000 more. That's in addition to the 15 000 already here officially (how many of them are still in the country nobody knows).
b) not only syrians are migrating. For afghans and africans, the boost in living standards will be significant.
Exactly right. Integration is in some ways worse than ethnic conflict. What do you get when you combine African immigration with Slovakia, say? You get the Dominican Republic. That means Slovakia was destroyed. No thanks. At least with ethnic strife and division, your people do not get washed away in a genetic holocaust.
Well - no arguments about that - even if you attain a more ore less peaceful integration - those African and Muslim cultures are way too different and there is literally no net gain to Europeans whatsoever.
It was Scorpion who cleared up the myths in one post that the US was some kind of multi-cultural melting pot anyway up until the 1960s. It was not - he linked to various laws which clearly stated that not anyone could emigrate to the US. Up until the 1950s you had to be part of a certain ethnicity - English, Scottish, Irish, German - even Eastern Europeans were somewhat limited. You all had to be White and Christian - or Jewish - to enter legally into the US. Otherwise you were refused immigration. They had it written into law.
Also it's a myth that the US was created via immigrants. The overwhelming population growth up until the 1950s came from a high birthrate and not from migrants. Only since the 1960s the pendulum swung towards immigrants - and now with changed laws highly "diverse" ones who have not much in common with the previous culture that created those great nations.
That's why it's correct - even if the integration process works well in full employment, there is nothing to be gained for Europeans.
(10-06-2015 04:19 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote: Instead of mingling and integrating there will be separation and more extreme thoughts and actions.
I agree with your observation. If they get jobs the situation will be different, mostly. Still some go to extremes just because of the big cultural gab. I have some friends with turkish background, you will notice no difference in behaviour. Back in the 60s and 70s the image was they will all go back, so stick them all together. After the kids did not get jobs it went worse.
What Germany lacks is not stricter laws, it lacks to practice them. Send back home those that have no legit status to stay in Germany. If the commit crimes, do their crazy muslim stuff, punish them.
There is a giant difference within the different states. In some you hear all the time the horror stories about immigration, in other never. Berlin is a nightmare for every southern German. What most people don't know, Munich has a higher % of immigrants then Berlin. Still in Berlin you have those ghettos.
Its a mix, the south has more economical power but is also more strict. I don't understand why the other states dont learn. Its like their left wing ideology make them blind for reality.
If you don't play by the rules, you pay for it. The long peace period and the feel bad mood for the war made them deny reality.
I have nothing against people that come to escape a war or oppression, that want to come for a job or to study. As long as they play by the rules. Many of the problems exist because the politicians don't want to accept the reality.
Not every immigrant is a "enrichment" just because he is an immigrants. To many of them just feel guilty for the war and can not stand to be German / European. We have to make clear that there is no space for everybody. And those that get access have to play by the rules. Maybe this situation has something good, that the left wing people have to accept reality and Germany will come up with some straight line.
I mean the right wing people already accept that there is immigration, so not the other side has to accept that a free pass for immigrants do no good.
Still the huge number of cultural strange immigration should be limited or at least every sing of "diversity" has to be crushed direct.
Quote:A young, female ‘No Borders’ activist working in a migrant camp on the France-Italy border remained silent about her gang rape by Sudanese migrants for over a month because “the others asked me to keep quiet.”
Colleagues are alleged to have said that reporting the crime would set back their struggle for a borderless world.
The ‘No Borders’ activist had dedicated a month of her life to helping migrants. Her group was stationed between Italy and France in Ponte San Ludovico in Ventimiglia when the atrocity occurred, according to reports from local papers La Stampa and Il Secolo XIX, and now reported in the major Italian national Corriere Della Serra.
One Saturday night, as loud music played at a nearby party, the woman was reportedly trapped in a shower block set up near the camp in a pine forest know as Red Leap.
A gang of African migrants allegedly raped her there, and her cries for help are said to have gone unheard because of the music.
La Stampa reports that the woman, around 30 years of age, would have reported the horrific crime were if not for her fellow left-wing activists, who convinced her that if the truth got out it could damage their utopian dream of a world without borders.
But Corriere Della Serra also reports that some of her fellow activists are now accusing the woman of reporting the rape out of “spite,” because her group was withdrawn from the camp following a separate controversy.
The town of Ventimiglia, where the alleged crime occurred, has been a flashpoint in the ongoing migrant crisis.
On the 30th September around 50 migrants and 20 activists were cleared from an illegal camp there. The activists organised a protest, whereby 250 migrants conducted a “sit in” on the shoreline.
Yesterday, Osman Suliman, 20, a Sudanese asylum seeker who had been in the UK for just five months, appeared in court.
He was charged with the rape of a Nottingham woman last weekend, the 26th of September, The Nottingham Post reports.
Bitch is agitating to deprive me of the borders to my country, my neighborhood, and my home and then wants my sympathy when the borders to her vagina get violated by the very same scum that she worked to bring in despite our protestations? Hahaha!
Bitch is agitating to deprive me of the borders to my country, my neighborhood, and my home and then wants my sympathy when the borders to her vagina get violated by the very same scum that she worked to bring in despite our protestations? Hahaha!
^Flawless logic, I must say.
If you are pro-open borders, then it follows that you are pro-rape.
(10-06-2015 08:52 AM)Mike5055 Wrote: So if a college girl regrets having sex the next morning, no one should pressure her to not report it as rape...
But when a woman is gang raped by Africans, it's totally ok to pressure her to not report it. Anything for the cause, right?
These people deserve everything bad that happens to them.
Edit: Actually, does the whole regret-rape claim happen as much at Euro universities as it does in the US?
No, because our feminism is not so insane yet, but mostly because universities are all state-owned and located in large cities (not in separate campuses in the middle of nowhere). This means that any crimes committed have to be reported to the police and not to kangaroo courts, so the rate of "regret-rape" false accusations is a lot lower.
Stories like this are deliciously poetic. Reminds me of that story where some African Studies major went to Haiti on a humanitarian mission and got raped and killed while she was screaming "BUT I DEFENDED YOU ON THE INTERNET!"
as horrible as this sounds, I really wish some more libs get beaten, raped and killed by the noble wise minorities they defend, just so they get a wakeup call that the people they are agitating for actually deeply hate them
(10-06-2015 05:35 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote: Exactly right. Integration is in some ways worse than ethnic conflict. What do you get when you combine African immigration with Slovakia, say? You get the Dominican Republic. That means Slovakia was destroyed. No thanks. At least with ethnic strife and division, your people do not get washed away in a genetic holocaust.
Gypsies in Bulgaria are an interesting example of how non-integration is better than actual integration. They live in their own shanttowns (I'd say 80+% live in all-gypsy neighbourhoods) and are not an actual part of society. Their participation in the workforce is marginal. There is also very little welfare available to them (compared with Western Europe; I still think it is too much). I am not certain how they make ends meet (petty theft and living by filtering and selling partially useful garbage for most of them). This I will give them, they have an extremely high tolerance for living in misery.
This separation has worked quite well in Bulgaria. Gypsies are ~10% of the population and probably ~25% of current births (official statistics put them as less than 5%; they are, of course, bullshit). Yet, in society, they are virtually invisible.
I just hope that the idiot politicians continue doing what they do now - talking endlessly about integration but doing nothing about it (besides stealing money from EU funds).
Quote:If you are pro-open borders, then it follows that you are pro-rape.
It depends. If we view bodyparts as property, then there is nothing that differentiates breaking laws to enter your country and breaking laws to enter your body
Also, I do not see any reason to be charitable to these people. They are essentially working to screw me and people like me.
They want to steal (or at least diminish in value) my share of the commons by expanding the base which has access to them.
They are pushing for satisfaction of their pathologically altruistic (pseudo)desires (care for complete and hostile groups of strangers) via increased taxation of productive people like me.
They demonize me and people like me just on account of our ancestry (but have the audacity to claim they are anti-racists).
And, on top of that, they are pushing to create a situation in Europe with severely skewed sex rations which will make it more difficult for European men to fulfil their evolutionary purpose and have sex and procreate.
(10-06-2015 09:17 AM)NO_LIMIT_CRACKA Wrote: as horrible as this sounds, I really wish some more libs get beaten, raped and killed by the noble wise minorities they defend, just so they get a wakeup call that the people they are agitating for actually deeply hate them
Only the libs secretly wish they would get raped ... and not only the libs, it's all women's ultimate sexual fantasy.