Post: #4801

Thanks for the advice, everythng is going smoothly now. The white and dominican girls hit me back. Just getting back in the flow, cause chicks get busy with work/netflix haha. Anyway, now just hoping they don't turn out psycho on meetups.

Post: #4802

(09-20-2015 07:36 PM)Remington Wrote:  With online dating, you need something that really separates you from that competition. It could be your pictures or what your profile says.

I've said it plenty of times, treat your profile like a joke and write a bullshit story. You will get messages on a regular basis saying that your profile is outrageous or hysterical.

If anyone needs any help or a critique, feel free to send me a PM.

Agree- I have been on OKCupid twice, both times writing silly, outrageous and funny profiles that got me some unsolicited contacts from women "thanking me for the laugh" . It also helped get responses from women I contacted who would probably otherwise ignore me due to the 50+ messages they get every day that sound identical (yes, we know you like to travel, you like the outdoors, blah blah blah).

Let's be honest- there is very little you can learn about someone from a dating profile. To get to know someone, if they are worth dating or banging, you have to meet them (which is another thing- I push for real life meetings pretty quickly) so it's mostly lies and bullshit anyway. Since these profiles are not informative, might as well make them entertaining. It doesn't have to be Richard Pryor hilarious- just something obviously fake and slightly outrageous that makes you stand out.

OKCupid is a little like a second job. You need to take some time out to write a clever profile and devise a few funny messages that you can copy and past for different women.

Post: #4803

^I wrote my profile in 15 minutes when I was drunk one night. You don't need to treat this like a second job. Put 5-10 minutes into it a day and you'll see success right off the bat.

Post: #4804

It's fucking incredible how easy it is for women in the dating market. All they have to do is literally login on to their online profile or walk around and they get 50 approaches plus a week, and the fucking girl only needs to be a 6. For a guy in contrast he needs to work his arse off to approach that many girls. So it is incredibly skewed towards women, social media has made it much harder than it ever was, apart from the guys who are in the top 5% or so who are usually the ones banging all the women and the rest are just sex deprived. It hasn't always been like this there used to be wars and the supply of men shrank and women had to fight for it at least a little.

These days literally every single girl has about 10-30 or more guys on the phone hitting her up offering cock at any one time.

What you have to do is simple, if you don't have sex with them on the first date 90% chance is you have blown it because it will be incredibly hard to get her to go out on another date with you. Their attention span is just that short. I have some decent luck on this website and can get 90% home on the first date but banging them is just difficult and yes they nearly never ever show up again.

Post: #4805

Online dating really is so difficult for men that I think that a track record of getting laid from online occasionally with girls who are at least average is proof that a guy's game and/or looks are in the top 10%. I bet there is a large percentage of guys who have been online for years and have never gotten laid from it. They go through cycles of trying and giving up, and then coming back later and trying again only to fail again. Another fraction of guys have gotten laid on rare occasions by whales. The lion's share of decent online pussy is being given to the top 5-10% of men.

The dating pool of men available to the average woman used to be limited to her local network- friends of friends or family,, school, work contacts, church, etc and an occasional cold approach at a bar. If she wanted sex or a relationship, she had to choose from a group of men that numbered maybe a few hundred at most-who were single, in her preferred age range, and might be attracted to her. So women were much more reasonable in their expectations because their options were more limited.

Now, technology has vastly expanded that pool and put women into easy contact with thousands, or in larger cities, tens of thousands of men she would not formerly have had access to. Whereas before, maybe she personally knew 5-10 guys she considered "hot" now she can see hundreds of men with top tier looks within driving distance at least some of whom are willing to bang her if she is decent looking. So her standards of what she can get and what she "deserves" of course skyrocket and average and below average men have almost no chance. Eventually a woman if she wants an LTR will have to settle to some degree and have to buy that sensible Hyundai she can drive for years with no trouble, but in the meantime she can test drive Mercedes, Maseratis, BMWs and Porsches at little cost, so why wouldn't she?

Post: #4806

(10-04-2015 10:15 AM)MrXY Wrote:  Online dating really is so difficult for men that I think that a track record of getting laid from online occasionally with girls who are at least average is proof that a guy's game and/or looks are in the top 10%. I bet there is a large percentage of guys who have been online for years and have never gotten laid from it. They go through cycles of trying and giving up, and then coming back later and trying again only to fail again. Another fraction of guys have gotten laid on rare occasions by whales. The lion's share of decent online pussy is being given to the top 5-10% of men.

The dating pool of men available to the average woman used to be limited to her local network- friends of friends or family,, school, work contacts, church, etc and an occasional cold approach at a bar. If she wanted sex or a relationship, she had to choose from a group of men that numbered maybe a few hundred at most-who were single, in her preferred age range, and might be attracted to her. So women were much more reasonable in their expectations because their options were more limited.

Now, technology has vastly expanded that pool and put women into easy contact with thousands, or in larger cities, tens of thousands of men she would not formerly have had access to. Whereas before, maybe she personally knew 5-10 guys she considered "hot" now she can see hundreds of men with top tier looks within driving distance at least some of whom are willing to bang her if she is decent looking. So her standards of what she can get and what she "deserves" of course skyrocket and average and below average men have almost no chance. Eventually a woman if she wants an LTR will have to settle to some degree and have to buy that sensible Hyundai she can drive for years with no trouble, but in the meantime she can test drive Mercedes, Maseratis, BMWs and Porsches at little cost, so why wouldn't she?

excellent points, you and Vinny.

Post: #4807

I've gotten quite a few notches from OKC this year without putting much effort into it. Maybe my profile really sticks out or my pictures look okay. I'm not that great looking so it might just be my profile and my ability to build comfort and rapport during the messaging phase. I have many girls on this site that don't talk to me past a few messages and others who will constantly message me within minutes of my responses. It's a hit or miss kind of deal.

Post: #4808

(10-04-2015 02:20 PM)Remington Wrote:  I've gotten quite a few notches from OKC this year without putting much effort into it. Maybe my profile really sticks out or my pictures look okay. I'm not that great looking so it might just be my profile and my ability to build comfort and rapport during the messaging phase. I have many girls on this site that don't talk to me past a few messages and others who will constantly message me within minutes of my responses. It's a hit or miss kind of deal.

I've picked up more notches on OKC over the past two years than any other online platform. It seems like in the cities I've lived in, OKC is where chicks who are looking to fuck congregate to. For chicks who are interested in your pics and profile with multiple visits, all it takes is a bit of rapport building, good logistics for the meet-up and the bang is in the bag without as much work as other platforms.

Generally speaking what I've come to realize recently is that not all online platforms are the same.

OKC: Questionable mix of random chicks looking to get the D
Bumble: 6s & 7s or fat chicks looking to get into a LTR.
Tinder: Young attention whores or post wall chicks looking to score followers on Instagram and Snapchat

Post: #4809

(10-04-2015 10:15 AM)MrXY Wrote:  Online dating really is so difficult for men that I think that a track record of getting laid from online occasionally with girls who are at least average is proof that a guy's game and/or looks are in the top 10%. I bet there is a large percentage of guys who have been online for years and have never gotten laid from it. They go through cycles of trying and giving up, and then coming back later and trying again only to fail again. Another fraction of guys have gotten laid on rare occasions by whales. The lion's share of decent online pussy is being given to the top 5-10% of men.

The dating pool of men available to the average woman used to be limited to her local network- friends of friends or family,, school, work contacts, church, etc and an occasional cold approach at a bar. If she wanted sex or a relationship, she had to choose from a group of men that numbered maybe a few hundred at most-who were single, in her preferred age range, and might be attracted to her. So women were much more reasonable in their expectations because their options were more limited.

Now, technology has vastly expanded that pool and put women into easy contact with thousands, or in larger cities, tens of thousands of men she would not formerly have had access to. Whereas before, maybe she personally knew 5-10 guys she considered "hot" now she can see hundreds of men with top tier looks within driving distance at least some of whom are willing to bang her if she is decent looking. So her standards of what she can get and what she "deserves" of course skyrocket and average and below average men have almost no chance. Eventually a woman if she wants an LTR will have to settle to some degree and have to buy that sensible Hyundai she can drive for years with no trouble, but in the meantime she can test drive Mercedes, Maseratis, BMWs and Porsches at little cost, so why wouldn't she?

Good points.

There is no social or distance constraints to hypergamy on online dating. Most women reckon that most men are 'below average' and therefore beneath them on okc.

Post: #4810

I'll say this about your profile. If you're not getting unsolicited comments about your profile, you have room to improve. And if you have room to improve, you're leaving pussy on the table.

But it's still online dating. Once you have honed your profile's wittiness to where it reads like a Jack Handey outtake, plus upgraded your pictures to something left over from a photo-shoot for a whiskey ad, girls at your level and below will flake on you.

So honestly, if you're having trouble writing a profile, just rip off a couple old "Deep Thoughts." It doesn't matter where you fit them in.

Post: #4811

Went out for a second date with a woman from the site the other evening. She had recently moved to the area on a whim, or to escape something, from somewhere out west, and apparently didn't know the area very well and had few friends around here.

She was in her early 30s, still bangable but starting to hit the wall hard. On the first date she showed me some pictures of her on her phone from 2009 and she was really cute, an "8" at least. She was definitely using some older pictures of herself on the site, not from the "8" days but at least a few years old. She's now put on enough weight and aged to the point that I think she'd be a "5.5" at best.

For the second date she told me directly to meet her at her apartment nearly an hour's drive away, which I did. We made dinner and chatted for a while, but when the time came to "Netflix and chill" she got very cold feet, and barely even wanted to kiss or touch me at all. Nuclear levels of ASD and LMR came out that were certainly not apparent on the first date - I'm still fairly new to the game, and my feeble attempts to overcome the surprise LMR backfired and she soon straight-up asked me to get out.

Not sure I understand exactly what went wrong, but I doubt she'll contact me again - which is good, as I sort of consider requesting me to drive to her place, and then getting upset at the progression and throwing me out after she was the one who asked in the first place to be an unforgivable offense.

Maybe she liked the idea of having sex in theory, but it didn't seem so great once she had a guy standing in her bedroom. I sort of got the sense that she actually was just kind of lonely and had no one to talk with, her life was a mess, and all she really wanted was someone to cuddle with and watch movies to take her mind off of things.

She might have thought that once she'd had sex with me I'd feel that she'd have nothing much more to offer and that I'd rapidly fade away; sadly, she'd probably be right. I left feeling more depressed than angry.

I'm currently having regular sex with a very giving younger woman I met from the site, and have two more in the pipeline, but still, a somewhat depressing experience.

Post: #4812

I think we're going to need more details as to how the night unfolded before an accurate diagnosis can be given. "Dinner and chat and then nuclear ASD" isn't a lot to go on. Was there any alcohol involved? Did you touch, flirt, talk about sex at all before trying to escalate? If I had to fill in the blanks it sounded like you had a friendly yet boring dinner and then you went from 0-100 in two seconds and you scared the cat.

Just because a woman invites you directly over doesn't mean she's ready to spread her legs at the drop of a hat. She very likely wanted to have sex with you but she still needs that plausible deniability to tell herself. "I just invited him over for a friendly dinner and then he started touching me, one thing led to another and we had this amazing sex. Wow how did that happen!?!"

Sex always has to be the guy's fault. She set the conditions up for you and one way or another you likely fumbled the football near the end zone and she nexted you. Don't let it get you down, this is how you learn.

Post: #4813

(10-08-2015 02:16 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  I think we're going to need more details as to how the night unfolded before an accurate diagnosis can be given. "Dinner and chat and then nuclear ASD" isn't a lot to go on. Was there any alcohol involved? Did you touch, flirt, talk about sex at all before trying to escalate? If I had to fill in the blanks it sounded like you had a friendly yet boring dinner and then you went from 0-100 in two seconds and you scared the cat.

Just because a woman invites you directly over doesn't mean she's ready to spread her legs at the drop of a hat. She very likely wanted to have sex with you but she still needs that plausible deniability to tell herself. "I just invited him over for a friendly dinner and then he started touching me, one thing led to another and we had this amazing sex. Wow how did that happen!?!"

Sex always has to be the guy's fault. She set the conditions up for you and one way or another you likely fumbled the football near the end zone and she nexted you. Don't let it get you down, this is how you learn.

There was plenty of that prior on the first date. Kissing, touching, talking about sex. But I didn't have the logistics set up to close.

I figured when she texted me to meet up at her place it meant she herself wanted to close as rapidly as possible, but strangely I could tell that even though she was pushing me to come to her place, when I got there she was far colder. There wasn't any alcohol involved as neither of us are drinkers.

In the case of the other woman I'm seeing regularly right now, and two of the other girls I've slept with from the site, it feels like I could've likely banged them within 5 minutes of me walking in the door of their place on the second or third date and they wouldn't have minded.

I guess I've gotten pretty spoiled by a couple girls who don't seem to care about "plausible deniability" and know what it is they want.

Post: #4814

(10-08-2015 03:22 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  There was plenty of that prior on the first date. Kissing, touching, talking about sex. But I didn't have the logistics set up to close.

The thing that most guys don't grasp (I've been guilty of this plenty too!) is that we think going from a first to second date with a woman is akin to hitting the pause button on a video game. We'll just pick up where we left off and things will be fine. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you follow baseball you can have the best pitcher in the game. He could throw a shutout and be untouchable and then on his next start the other team is teeing off on him like it's batting practice. What changed? It's the same guy, with the same skills doing the same thing. Nonetheless the results are night and day. That's just human nature. All of us are different people from day to day. Throw in women and this analogy goes into hyperdrive.

This is why the mantra here on this forum is so much about striking while the pussy is hot since a "next time" is far from guaranteed. I know you said you didn't have the logistics on the first date but it might be a good idea to not book a first date when your logistics are bad. This is what I do now. In my mind I have the belief that I get one shot with any given woman. My game has to be airtight, my logistics on lock and everything in place just to maybe get my odds up to 50/50 of getting the bang. Because I know that no matter how well the date went, how much we made out, how much she gushes about our second date, if I don't seal the deal on date one I'll never see her again.

Post: #4815

The baseball analogy is pretty solid. Since I used to be a baseball player at the upper level, I have one that I can offer:

You can throw a complete shut out and not have your best stuff to bring to the table that day. The odds will sometimes be in your favor.

There will also be days where you are on point with your approach to each batter and they will still shell you. It's all about the opponent and their reaction to everything. Some days you will be able to get away with things that you won't get away with pitching against other teams. 80% is psychological vs the 20% physical aspect.

If you are getting your ass kicked against your opponent, you need to stay mentally tough and push through because that is your job. You can't break down because your opponent will be able to read it and take advantage.

Stay tough throughout your successes and failures. Learn from experience.

Post: #4816

In bed recovering.

Banged a Japanese girl 6.5/10 a couple of nights ago on a first date, met her at a bar then straight back to my place had a drink then straight to the sex for the next two hours. She was enjoying it more than me I felt like I was being used. She dodged the money shot but what can you do.

Last night went out with a 21 year old American girl 8/10. Same bar, had cocktails. Then took a taxi and went to a local bar then walked to my place. Made a drink of gin and tonic talked for a bit. Then I went for the kiss. She loved it and started sucking her nipples. She told me she can't have sex because she's on her period. She deepthroated my cock. She seemed to have a really lovely time sucking me off. I walked her to the train station and she wanted a kiss despite there still being cum in her mouth.

Both first dates, both threw a shit load of shit tests. Even if a girl's logic may be to not to do anything on a first date rules are there to be broken and girls get off on that.

Post: #4817

Quote:This is why the mantra here on this forum is so much about striking while the pussy is hot since a "next time" is far from guaranteed. I know you said you didn't have the logistics on the first date but it might be a good idea to not book a first date when your logistics are bad. This is what I do now. In my mind I have the belief that I get one shot with any given woman. My game has to be airtight, my logistics on lock and everything in place just to maybe get my odds up to 50/50 of getting the bang. Because I know that no matter how well the date went, how much we made out, how much she gushes about our second date, if I don't seal the deal on date one I'll never see her again.

So, attached is a message I received from a chick after our first date this week. Unfortunately my logistics were bad and couldn't go for the lay. Within less than 48 hours after sending me this text she had went ghost - with the exception of sending me a curt message flaking out on the second date.

This is crushing, but it's par for the course, chaps. Nail them on date one when their buying temperature is high - you have a very small window of opportunity.

Post: #4818

(10-10-2015 06:34 AM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  In bed recovering.

Banged a Japanese girl 6.5/10 a couple of nights ago on a first date, met her at a bar then straight back to my place had a drink then straight to the sex for the next two hours. She was enjoying it more than me I felt like I was being used. She dodged the money shot but what can you do.

Last night went out with a 21 year old American girl 8/10. Same bar, had cocktails. Then took a taxi and went to a local bar then walked to my place. Made a drink of gin and tonic talked for a bit. Then I went for the kiss. She loved it and started sucking her nipples. She told me she can't have sex because she's on her period. She deepthroated my cock. She seemed to have a really lovely time sucking me off. I walked her to the train station and she wanted a kiss despite there still being cum in her mouth.

Both first dates, both threw a shit load of shit tests. Even if a girl's logic may be to not to do anything on a first date rules are there to be broken and girls get off on that.

Besides your logistics being on point, what do you think you did differently to have success with both of those dates?

Edit: Nicely done, sir.

Post: #4819

(10-10-2015 07:50 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  So, attached is a message I received from a chick after our first date this week. Unfortunately my logistics were bad and couldn't go for the lay. Within less than 48 hours after sending me this text she had went ghost - with the exception of sending me a curt message flaking out on the second date.

This is crushing, but it's par for the course, chaps. Nail them on date one when their buying temperature is high - you have a very small window of opportunity.

Why couldn't you take her and bang her out in an alley, a bathroom, or your car? Also, if you received a text message like that, you should have either invited her over to your place that evening or schedule a date with better logistics the next day. Like you said, strike while the iron is hot.

Post: #4820

Nailing them in an alleyway or the backseat of a car is uncomfortable. Though all of these scenarious were considered. The next date, at my apartment, in a bed, was scheduled for 48 hours later. I made a tactical decision to wait - and pray. Her IL was stratospheric.

Of course, needless to say, I'm an idiot, as this mistake has been made before.

Post: #4821

Who cares if it's uncomfortable? If you get the bang on night one, the chances you will see her again will be much higher. Plus, if you bang her out in a semi public place/area, that will give her enough of a thrill to know that you are fun and spontaneous, as well as a risk taker.

Post: #4822

(10-06-2015 12:17 AM)Bacchus Wrote:  I'll say this about your profile. If you're not getting unsolicited comments about your profile, you have room to improve. And if you have room to improve, you're leaving pussy on the table.

But it's still online dating. Once you have honed your profile's wittiness to where it reads like a Jack Handey outtake, plus upgraded your pictures to something left over from a photo-shoot for a whiskey ad, girls at your level and below will flake on you.

So honestly, if you're having trouble writing a profile, just rip off a couple old "Deep Thoughts." It doesn't matter where you fit them in.

What if you are only getting comments from 3s, 4s, and 5s? I get that you have to maximize your utility,

Post: #4823

(10-10-2015 09:26 AM)Remington Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 06:34 AM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  In bed recovering.

Banged a Japanese girl 6.5/10 a couple of nights ago on a first date, met her at a bar then straight back to my place had a drink then straight to the sex for the next two hours. She was enjoying it more than me I felt like I was being used. She dodged the money shot but what can you do.

Last night went out with a 21 year old American girl 8/10. Same bar, had cocktails. Then took a taxi and went to a local bar then walked to my place. Made a drink of gin and tonic talked for a bit. Then I went for the kiss. She loved it and started sucking her nipples. She told me she can't have sex because she's on her period. She deepthroated my cock. She seemed to have a really lovely time sucking me off. I walked her to the train station and she wanted a kiss despite there still being cum in her mouth.

Both first dates, both threw a shit load of shit tests. Even if a girl's logic may be to not to do anything on a first date rules are there to be broken and girls get off on that.

Besides your logistics being on point, what do you think you did differently to have success with both of those dates?

Edit: Nicely done, sir.

I've spent the last 3 months or so optimising logistics to get girls home, the spontaneity of getting a taxi. That part hasn't changed and works well in my favour as logistics truly are 80% of game.

I have done less well in escalating girls once they are back at my place, so I've done a few things to try to improve that:
1) No distractions when I bring them home. I do not switch on the TV, it just kills the mood.
2) Lighting - I leave just one light on when back to my place with her in the living room. Dim lighting is important. I may buy candles or a LED light to make it even sexier.
3) I have a bar in the living room and I tell them the bar is now open what would you like. I like to sit them on a stool by the bar - it is just me and her talking with no distractions having a drink next to each other. Her mind runs wild.
4) Buying nicer clothes, including boots. It makes them feel more comfortable of your "value" to them. Women do look at your shoes and if it's not for them it's for me to feel better about myself. I have gone about improving my look.
5) Time - this is probably key. I make my dates earlier around 8pm so that once I do bring them home they are not in a rush to get back. My game is a slow build comfort game and requires a few hours from meeting to sex.

Post: #4824

I've said this before in my posts across this forum, but I wanna say it again: it blows my mind how okc gets continually worse with each passing moment. There is no end to this pattern and every time I've used it over the last 2 years, just as if you think it can't get any harder the next time... it does. In 2013 it used to piss me off that I'd have to message 300 girls to get a date. Looking back from 2015 that seems like heaven to me: now I have to message 600 girls just to get a phone number.

The level of saturation keeps spiraling down and down as if there is no limit whatsoever. Read message rates, view profile rates, first reply rates, subsequent reply rates, quickmatch rates, unsolicited message rates, full inbox rates, fatty rates, polyamory rates, tranny rates, etc. keep going deeper down the shitter.

But certainly something's got to give, no?

Post: #4825

I'm currently having sex with two women I met from OKC regularly, one "6" late 20s and one "7" early 30s. So far they're very low drama and treat me great - the "7" even paid for my dinner on the second date. They aren't perfect by any means (neither am I that's for sure) but for the moment I'm pretty content with the results the site is giving me.

It took a LOT of grinding to get to this point, though. It took me three months to even get my first lay off the site, and I've probably spent at least an hour or two 7 days a week all summer sending openers, blah blahing with women, getting numbers, working contacts, getting random abuse, having dates that I feel went well and getting blown out for seconds, watching people go ghost on me and so on.

I've optimized my profile and pics the best I can and I get about ~25 unique visitors a week right now if I just sit around doing nothing, so sometimes if I'm feeling lazy I'll just send an opener to someone who I've seen has visited or "liked" me - A-list is worth it because the response rate from women who have "liked" you or visited your profile multiple times is extremely high.

I've never gotten laid on the first date, since unfortunately I don't live right in a major city and I'm sometimes meeting women who live 40 miles away at a halfway point. The pool of women who live right nearby to me in the suburbs is pretty much awful.

The second dates I've had are always ones where the woman shows some signs of physical affection on the first date, but not too much. I guess there's been debate about the "kiss close" or whatever, but I've never seen a girl again who I didn't kiss at least once on the first date, even ones who told me on the first date that they wanted to see me again, and even ones who didn't ghost immediately and whom I tried very hard to get out for a second.

I occasionally (maybe once every two weeks) get opened by a woman instead of me having to send all the messages. Interestingly, two of the best looking women whom I went on dates with were women who opened me rather than vice versa, but when I actually went on dates with them they were totally not into even the most mild form of "kino" or even discussing anything sexual at all. I was able to stay in contact with one of them for a little bit, but she gave me the 'really busy with work' thing in response to my ideas for second dates and eventually ghosted. I never saw either of them again.

It's exciting when one gets solicited like that because you think you must have a good shot, and then when you finally meet up you can rapidly tell that they are probably just going to waste your time. Maybe there's something I could have done differently in regards to these cases.

The problem with being in my 30s is that the women who open me are generally in their 30s as well, and while some of them are attractive, I think many of them are well into the "Epiphany Phase" provider-hunter territory. I definitely do not come off as a "provider type" on dates.