(09-22-2015 07:45 AM)Ollave Wrote:  Likewise. Throw in the Smart Phones and it just boarders on ridiculousness. The level of stupidity and ignorance being assumed by those orchestrating this of the general population is breathtaking. But everyone is eating it, hook, line and sinker. Well, almost everyone.

This is a highly produced and heavily sponsored event.

All the direct help is being given by volunteers or small charities - useful idiots motivated by sympathy. But above them is a web of bigger charities and NGOs providing money and direction.

There won't be any direct funding chain, but if you were able to work backwards you'd find out who the real sponsors are. I'm sure the numbers at the top are a lot fewer than most would think.

(09-22-2015 08:21 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:24 AM)mikado Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 06:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 03:48 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 03:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Turkey was the center of European culture for almost 1000 years between 200-1200 AD. Before this rise it was inhabited by various Caucasians (mostly of the White variety, for example many of presocratic philosophers came from Turkey) before the Roman/Greek conquest of it occurred. You can read about this ancient history in Herodotus' works.

It's all gone now. Just like Sweden/France/Germany/UK will be in 1000 years from now. There will still be White people in these areas, but they will be White Muslims (the Christians are always hunted into extinction).

That's an interesting prediction, but I don't buy it for a variety of reasons. But let's assume for the sake of argument that it does happen the way you say it does: who even knows what Islam will look like in a 1,000 years if it exists at all? I'm sure Europeans would come up with their own version of it to culturally suit them, as they did with Christianity. They molded it to fit them, not the other way around. You can see the pagan influences in European Christianity even today.

That being said, I don't think it's going to happen. It's too alien and foreign to them.

Actually, out of all the world's religions Islam has remained the most resistant to change. The burka, the praying 5 times a day, extreme patriarchy - it's been the same since day 1 because it's enforced by the sword.

Christianity was never about specific "works" like Islam or Judaism is. Christianity is more of a mindset of goodwill and love for one's neighbor. That's why Christianity changes over time but Islam does not.

You seem to think Europe will become Islam by conversion. Not really. It will be conversion by the sword and taxation, as Islam has always done things.

Women without burkas = going to be raped and enslaved.

Men who try to stop this = executed or jailed.

The left-wing EU governments will see the amazing power of Islam and sell their souls to Islam as Houellebecq wrote in his newest book, Submission. So the government won't do anything to protect their people, just as we see now.

Women will then convert in mass to Islam for their own safety. Islam will then reach critical mass and start passing their Islamic taxation laws, which involves taxing all non-Muslims and subsidizing Muslim life. You already see this now with the welfare for the "refugees" (LOL). Europeans already give tons of money to their Muslim overlords but it's currently done under the pretense of welfare. Even after the Muslims become the majority they will still be collecting tribute.

The native Whites who refuse to convert will be unable to support themselves. They will not have children due to lack of money not to mention the majority of the women will be hoarded into Islamic harems.

Nothing I've written above hasn't already happened in every country that is conquered by Islam. What's unique this time are the left-wing EU governments willingly betraying their own people to Muslims in order to stay in power.

I won't comment on the general content of the post, but at least get this fact straight.

Burka is something really specific of the Middle East and was by no way imposed to Muslim women. So saying all women must dress in burkas is not true.
Maybe you were talking about the veil in general (that's not the same thing, definitely).

Honestly Mikado to a westerner no one really cares what the name is even if the only difference is if the face and eyes are only showing. Islam wants its women to cover up, it's the specific nation that specifies how far one is to go.

A burka is equal to a veil is equal to the hijab is equal to a full body robe. The woman is still having to cover her entire self up.



It's a genius way to discourage female peacocking. However, I'd rather get a glimpse of what I'm marrying so I don't feel the need to roll the dice and get a second wife.

I don't think they're equal. I've known quite a few young Muslim girls in the US who are clearly following the letter rather than the spirit of Islamic modesty. Girls will be girls and push any boundary they think they can push. A single Muslim girl with secular western peers will treat her hijabs as a fashion accessory to her wardrobe of sexy form-fitting clothes. She'll wear as much makeup and jewelry as she can get away with.

That's clearly different from young girls who dutifully wear niqab or burqa as soon as they hit puberty.

What is remarkable is how so many Muslim women here in the UK have started wearing traditional clothes, that didn't before, over the last few years.

I can't help but see it as a "Fuck You" signal to the rest of us.

(09-22-2015 08:39 AM)Blaster Wrote:  I don't think they're equal. I've known quite a few young Muslim girls in the US who are clearly following the letter rather than the spirit of Islamic modesty. Girls will be girls and push any boundary they think they can push. A single Muslim girl with secular western peers will treat her hijabs as a fashion accessory to her wardrobe of sexy form-fitting clothes. She'll wear as much makeup and jewelry as she can get away with.

That's clearly different from young girls who dutifully wear niqab or burqa as soon as they hit puberty.

You're still missing the point. Islam has repeatedly been shown to pollute culture once it reaches critical mass, which varies depending on the host culture. You use Muslim women in the safest country in the west to make your point.

Remember what Samseau said earlier;
"Women will then convert in mass to Islam for their own safety. Islam will then reach critical mass and start passing their Islamic taxation laws, which involves taxing all non-Muslims and subsidizing Muslim life."

Quote:What is remarkable is how so many Muslim women here in the UK have started wearing traditional clothes, that didn't before, over the last few years.

I can't help but see it as a "Fuck You" signal to the rest of us.

Some are probably playing it safe as well, knowing they chance of being beat or killed for apostasy just dramatically increased.

To be honest the European leaders look more like this:



than this:



It is hard to buy everything is under control and planned...

(09-05-2015 07:25 AM)Libertas Wrote:  A lot of Eastern Europe is decidedly anti-Russian for obvious reasons.

But think that if the choice is being loyal to the EU and accepting all these "migrants" in your country, which those countries, including Poland, has unequivocally said they do not want, and undermining your economy and culture, or Russia, what would you pick? It's a shit choice, but this is what happens when you let liberal guilt run your policy.

If the governments crackdown on their own people, who do not want this either, it is over. They'll lose in the end because they'll have lost all legitimacy.

Starship Troopers really may be on the way if Europe does not adopt Australia's policy and repatriate these people.

It's an old post (over two weeks), but I somehow missed it before and I think it's worthy answering.

For majority of Poles things between us and UE on immigration front (or other ones) would have to get much, much worse to even start contemplating trying to get under wings of somebody like Putin. I know he is RVF hero and all, but perspective changes when someone like him is president of the country which is your neighbour and which always thought you should be in their influence zone. Not mentioning few other historical things or more recent Crimea invasion.

Thats where Orban is smarter, as he's already trying to play on two fronts for a few years. In Poland no serious politician over last years proposed to do anything similar, as it would be his political death here.

But it's also much easier to do it from Hungary than from Poland (no border together and common history isn't as "complicated"), also Czech I guess would be very reluctant to ask Russians for any kind of help. Bulgaria, like it was mentioned, historically it's the most pro-Russian country from among EU members.

(09-22-2015 09:57 AM)whoishe Wrote:  For majority of Poles things between us and UE on immigration front (or other ones) would have to get much, much worse to even start contemplating trying to get under wings of somebody like Putin.

Things will

Disputed EU migrant plan voted in



European interior ministers have agreed a deal to relocate 120,000 migrants across the continent in a vote passed by a significant majority.

Under the plan, migrants will be moved from Italy, Greece and Hungary to other countries in the EU.

Four Central European countries voted against mandatory quotas.
But a large majority of EU member states backed the plan, which will take effect over the next two years.

The BBC's Brussels correspondent Chris Morris said it was "highly unusual for an issue like this - which involves national sovereignty - to be decided by majority vote rather than unanimous decision".

(09-22-2015 10:46 AM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  Disputed EU migrant plan voted in



European interior ministers have agreed a deal to relocate 120,000 migrants across the continent in a vote passed by a significant majority.

Under the plan, migrants will be moved from Italy, Greece and Hungary to other countries in the EU.

Four Central European countries voted against mandatory quotas.
But a large majority of EU member states backed the plan, which will take effect over the next two years.

The BBC's Brussels correspondent Chris Morris said it was "highly unusual for an issue like this - which involves national sovereignty - to be decided by majority vote rather than unanimous decision".

The EU will become tyrannical of epic proportions.

I had a feeling this was coming. The EU has a way of repeating votes until the "right decision" is reached.

So are those Eastern European countries now going to really be "forced" to accept these "migrants?"

And 120,000 is just a drop in the bucket. What the fuck are they going to do with the rest and to stop more from coming in? This may ultimately just give yet more ammunition to the nationalist parties.

Edit: Now it seems Le Pen is facing trial for "inciting racial hatred."

http://news.yahoo.com/marine-le-pen-face...14002.html

I am coming very close to saying that democracy as a whole is an utter failure.

What would you replace Democracy with Liberatas?

(09-22-2015 11:27 AM)kbell Wrote:  What would you replace Democracy with Liberatas?

Yes, interested in that Libertas.

To add for the interested, Heinlein the great sci-fi author had two books who look at this from each viewpoint:

The Moon is a harsh mistress - libertarian/ancap viewpoint

Starship Troopers - fascism

Both easy and quick reads, I am surprised they aren't part of mandatory reading for high schoolers.

(09-22-2015 11:27 AM)kbell Wrote:  What would you replace Democracy with Liberatas?

Aristocracy, Monarchy or the original form of Democracy (i.e. no voting rights for women).

Surely at this point the higher risk of tyranny that a dictatorship brings would be worth the benefits of rapidly and efficiently making right decisions.

At this point, it has already been several decades since anything good came out of democracy anywhere. It has had years and years to self-correct as it was supposed to do, but that simply isn't happening.

There are no excuses for its failure anymore.

(09-22-2015 11:27 AM)kbell Wrote:  What would you replace Democracy with Liberatas?

I'll take a freaking dictator/absolute monarch with a puppet parliament so long as the dictator supports his local culture, nationality, and people.

So the Polish government just sold its people and eastern Europe. I have no words.

‘Libertas’ Wrote:I am coming very close to saying that democracy as a whole is an utter failure.

It was a failure. At least parliamentary democracy. Democracy in Europe died when the EU was founded.

‘kbell’ Wrote:  What would you replace Democracy with Liberatas?

How about something like they have in Singapur? Or an aristocracy-like system but who gets to vote is not determined by nobility but by proving yourself to be worthy and qualified. Samseau mentioned something like that and it makes a lot more sense than what we have now.

(09-22-2015 10:54 AM)Libertas Wrote:  I am coming very close to saying that democracy as a whole is an utter failure.

From Brett Stevens:

Quote:The enemy is not the bankers, the rich, the poor, the Blacks, the Whites, the Jews™, or even the Other. Democracy is our enemy; the enemy is inside the gates, and has been here the whole time. Democracy converts normal people into a gushing, raging, sighing and emotional herd which cannot agree on anything except the simplest and most dramatic of gestures. The ethic of convenience wins out every goddamn time. Democracy is defeat.

I'm still not sure what. Maybe I should do a post about in depth. I can even use my real experiences of interviewing prospective voters. I have a lot of footage.

One thing that I've been dwelling on for a while, and this "crisis" has made abundantly clear, is the Roman concept of the dictatorship.

In the Roman Republic, a dictator could be chosen for a term of six months. This was done in response to periods of extraordinary crisis. This is that crisis. It even bears similarities because the Romans chose dictators in response to the Gauls overrunning Italy.

Edit: I'm pretty sure the Poles voted against the proposal. Didn't they?

Eastern Europe should just withdraw from the EU and refuse to take any.

Quote:Le Pen told AFP she would attend the trial.

"Yes, of course. I wouldn't miss such an occasion," she said

She is so classy and faithful.

Who knows what will come of this.

(09-22-2015 10:54 AM)Libertas Wrote:  I had a feeling this was coming. The EU has a way of repeating votes until the "right decision" is reached.

So are those Eastern European countries now going to really be "forced" to accept these "migrants?"

And 120,000 is just a drop in the bucket. What the fuck are they going to do with the rest and to stop more from coming in? This may ultimately just give yet more ammunition to the nationalist parties.

Edit: Now it seems Le Pen is facing trial for "inciting racial hatred."

http://news.yahoo.com/marine-le-pen-face...14002.html

I am coming very close to saying that democracy as a whole is an utter failure.

French Nationalists should now accept that there's no democratic solution to what they face and do what they have to do.

(09-22-2015 11:47 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  I'll take a freaking dictator/absolute monarch with a puppet parliament so long as the dictator supports his local culture, nationality, and people.

Except when he doesn't support his local culture, nationality or people but decides to support himself, his family at the expense of his people, culture and nation.

You then find yourself in a position where you don't have the mechanisms to remove him since your parliament is his puppet.

Libertas Wrote:I'm pretty sure the Poles voted against the proposal. Didn't they?

No. Unfortunately not. They were bought.
http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-tries-...al-crisis/
“Members of the Visegrad group, which brings together leaders of Hungary, Poland, Slovakia and the Czech Republic, met Monday afternoon in Prague to discuss “possible solutions” to the refugee crisis. After the meeting the countries reiterated their opposition to mandatory quotas.

But Poland shifted away from the other Visegrad countries, indicating it was ready to take refugees though it remained opposed to mandatory quotas imposed by the Commission.

“We are prepared to accept migrants but not quotas,” said Poland’s interior minister, Teresa Piotrowska, before the meeting in Brussels Tuesday.

In the end Poland voted with the majority of EU countries in favor of the proposal.”

I'm very sorry for the Poles because I know that pain of being sold by the own government. It's like getting fed your own intestines. Didn't we see polls where 90% of them were against this? This isn't even democracy. Maybe democracy has failed because it was pushed aside by some other system that isn't democracy anymore but is still called democracy.

Just look at Orban's Facebook page. It's full of wall posts by Poles who apologize for their government.

Slovakia, Czech, Hungary and Romania voted "against", Finland voided (?) their vote, Poland voted " yes"...

The most Interesting aspect is that Slovakia officially stated they wont succumb (?) to majority decision and wont accept refugees., All other countries will, including other ones which voted "no"...

Polish government already is trying to present it as their success, saying UE accepted their suggestions.

(09-22-2015 11:51 AM)Libertas Wrote:  I'm still not sure what. Maybe I should do a post about in depth. I can even use my real experiences of interviewing prospective voters. I have a lot of footage.

One thing that I've been dwelling on for a while, and this "crisis" has made abundantly clear, is the Roman concept of the dictatorship.

In the Roman Republic, a dictator could be chosen for a term of six months. This was done in response to periods of extraordinary crisis. This is that crisis. It even bears similarities because the Romans chose dictators in response to the Gauls overrunning Italy.

Edit: I'm pretty sure the Poles voted against the proposal. Didn't they?

Eastern Europe should just withdraw from the EU and refuse to take any.

Since we're going to get LARPy here, in my ideal government belief in nationalism would be a requirement to hold any position of power within it. Communism, Marxism, Bolshevism, Trotskyism, Cultural Marxism and their bastard internationalist ideologies would be illegal. Degenerate propaganda would be illegal, as it is in Russia, because corporations have proven all they care about is making a buck. They are as easily subverted as democratic governments are and turned into a weapon to attack the traditional mores of society.

Preservation and defense of the culture and people would be paramount above all else. There would be liberty, but an ordered liberty. I am rather fond of most of the Bill of Rights, with a few caveats.

Over the years it's become clear to me that there is no libertarian hands-off solution to the total war that's being waged at every level against the people. I'm of the opinion that Robert Conquest's Three Rules apply to government as well. If it's not explicitly right-wing, over time it'll become explicitly left-wing and turn into a complete shitshow.

What we are seeing today is a failure of democracy in that members of a popular movement can infiltrate the system via a long march through the institutions and media and basically turn them into weapons to enact their suicidal agenda.

I have been feeling the same way about democracy, and then last night I watched a lot of Mark Dice's videos where he gets people to sign absolutely crazy petitions.

Democracy is even worse when you consider that most of the population are complete idiots. Churchill noticed this even back in his time.

Here are just some of the petitions he has gotten people to sign:

Petition to paint the white house brown, as white is racist.
20% male privilege tax
1% white privilege tax
ban the US flag and replace with a new rainbow/pyramid/all seeing eye flag.
nuke china in response to hacking computers
support Obama's endorsement of karl marx as the next US president. More communists and marxists in the white house.





Democracy is a joke which allows people to use the ignorance of the general public against them.