Croatian Minister of Interior Affairs and the Police, Ranko Ostojić:

Quote:"We are not fingerprinting any of the refugees because that is really scary to them."
http://www.vecernji.hr/hrvatska/gotovo-s...ci-1025956

Quote:...Minister of Police...
...not fingerprinting...
...because that is really scary to them...

Quote:Police...not fingerprinting...

My God, where am I living? What is this nightmare?

This song by our 19th century soldier and poet Petar Preradović certainly comes to mind now:

"Petar Preradović Wrote:Dear God, where have I trodden!
Night has caught me while in a foreign land...

East Asians are always better educated and integrated than Middle Easterners or Africans.

But this isn't about that. It's about preserving Europe's character and traditions. The type of people coming in just makes this loss of identity that much worse.

(09-21-2015 07:37 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  It's a screenshot of a Facebook post by a very active Croatian SJW who is organizing help for the poor refugees. Here's what it says:

Quote:by Tinka Kalajžić

Dear people, BE CALM!

The situation is tense and chaotic. It's very important to keep our cool or bad things will start happening. Here is my advice for WOMEN:

If you are afraid of aggressive reactions, do not approach the men! Rather focus on women and children. Just be calm! After what the refugees endured at the Hungarian border, it is no wonder that some individuals are behaving angrily, irritably and nervously. Don't let that discourage you! Work with cool, focus and courage! If you are working at night, make sure you act in groups. If you decide to work alone, make sure you always have pepper spray and a whistle.

If you decide to approach men on your own, make sure to be dressed appropriately. Take into account cultural differences, and absolutely never approach men while wearing short pants, mini-skirts or V-cut shirts. Also, it is advisable to wear a scarf while in the field.

Avoid approaching large groups of men! Watch your body language! Sometimes we must act more reservedly and sternly, but never rudely. A lot of men will ask you to take a photo with them. Give it a lot of thought before accepting!

That is just unbelievable, these people really are the 'useful idiots'.

(09-21-2015 07:37 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Here is a hilarious rebuttal of media claims about how the immigrants great, don't commit any crimes and will be beneficial to our societies and we'll barely feel them:



It's a screenshot of a Facebook post by a very active Croatian SJW who is organizing help for the poor refugees. Here's what it says:

Quote:by Tinka Kalajžić

Dear people, BE CALM!

The situation is tense and chaotic. It's very important to keep our cool or bad things will start happening. Here is my advice for WOMEN:

If you are afraid of aggressive reactions, do not approach the men! Rather focus on women and children. Just be calm! After what the refugees endured at the Hungarian border, it is no wonder that some individuals are behaving angrily, irritably and nervously. Don't let that discourage you! Work with cool, focus and courage! If you are working at night, make sure you act in groups. If you decide to work alone, make sure you always have pepper spray and a whistle.

If you decide to approach men on your own, make sure to be dressed appropriately. Take into account cultural differences, and absolutely never approach men while wearing short pants, mini-skirts or V-cut shirts. Also, it is advisable to wear a scarf while in the field.

Avoid approaching large groups of men! Watch your body language! Sometimes we must act more reservedly and sternly, but never rudely. A lot of men will ask you to take a photo with them. Give it a lot of thought before accepting!

Lest some of these men take your 14 year old daughter off the street and and "misunderstand" her. Before driving her three towns over so eight of their mates can "misunderstand" the shit out of her for a few days as well.

Sooo, if a white male looks at you its rape?

If you are gang-raped by Arabs its just a misunderstanding?

Cool story.

(09-21-2015 07:59 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Sooo, if a white male looks at you its rape?

If you are gang-raped by Arabs its just a misunderstanding?

Cool story.

Fuck you Dad! Everyone says white girls can't dance. I wish I was never born! [slams door]

(09-21-2015 07:59 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Sooo, if a white male looks at you its rape?

If you are gang-raped by Arabs its just a misunderstanding?

Cool story.

Arab gangs have been getting off rape charges for years because "they didn't understand that in this country, it is illegal to rape / gang rape / murder girls."
And because they are from a different culture, where it is acceptable, the courts should go easy on them.

Fuck me, this world is broken.

Quote:"We are not fingerprinting any of the refugees because that is really scary to them."

Quote:"Paris dispatched a team of immigration officials to Munich to convince refugees to seek asylum in France."

Read between the lines gentlemen.

France isn't competing for a higher share of the refugees, they're easing the burden on Germany in lieu of mandatory distribution policies. Hungary isn't refusing to fingerprint refugees because it's "scary to them", they're refusing to do so because it means the refugees must be processed and cared for in Hungary. Letting them go without fingerprinting shifts the burden onto Germany's shoulders.

Politics is game. It's saying things strategically with concealed intentions and motives. Rhino, you're reading and interpreting these headlines very literally.

(09-21-2015 08:30 AM)spalex Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 07:59 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Sooo, if a white male looks at you its rape?

If you are gang-raped by Arabs its just a misunderstanding?

Cool story.

Arab gangs have been getting off rape charges for years because "they didn't understand that in this country, it is illegal to rape / gang rape / murder girls."
And because they are from a different culture, where it is acceptable, the courts should go easy on them.

Fuck me, this world is broken.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/201...portation/

The ridiculous thing about all of this is, we aren't making any wild claims or baseless accusations. There are documented cases from as far back as 1997.
And the response is, have 800,000 of them, 75% of which are men. Put them in your neighbourhood and just, play nice?

Madness I could identify, respect almost. This, this is just capitulation. Europe, let me take you down the yard behind the shed, and put you down like a sick dog. I'll do us both a favor.

(09-21-2015 08:33 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  Hungary isn't refusing to fingerprint refugees because it's "scary to them", they're refusing to do so because it means the refugees must be processed and cared for in Hungary. Letting them go without fingerprinting shifts the burden onto Germany's shoulders.

Possibly so, but the refusal to fingerprint is taking place in Croatia, not in Hungary.

Our government is fanatically SJW, to the extent that you guys living in remotely sane countries can't imagine. I seriously doubt that their unconditional opening of borders is some sort of a power play.

(09-21-2015 08:33 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  Read between the lines gentlemen.

Politics is game.

Yeah, easy to lecture without saying anything. If you're so versed in politics tell us why is Merkel (figurehead for elites) inviting ALL Syrians NOW, and why is she not screening/keeping the rest of the riff raff OUT? You didn't propose any theory, and we are all baffled here.

Quote:Rhino, you're reading and interpreting these headlines very literally.

No, I'm not interpreting anything literally. I studied and experienced bullshit for years. The fingerprinting issue is obvious; the French begging for more - less so given their colonialist history and reverse colonialism open borders.

But what really is uncalled for is your false bravado earlier today. Needlessly calling for the red pillers to get boyfriends in Baghdad is shitty appeal to base feminine emotions worthy of wymyn kind. And calling for a fight back without specifying what that fight should entail and what you personally are willing to lose in that fight is bullshit of the highest order. The KEYBOARD WARRIORS are passe in times of crisis. What's needed are doers, not talkers. Now get off and do something with your effeminated German brethren - the 2nd biggest pussies in Europe.

In the night from saturday to sunday someone burned a potential "refugee" dwelling in Wertheim/Germany.

The next day brave citizens held a demonstration against xenophobia, here is a picture:



Recognize the gay pride flag in the background? I'm doing a bit of research and it turns out welcoming "refugees" with a rainbow flag seems to be a hip thing to do in this town:



I mean who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to welcome a bunch of muslims with a rainbow flag? This country is just ruined by stupid people. It's a harsh truth but I have to accept it I guess.

True refugees don't have fucking iPhones....

(09-21-2015 09:28 AM)UncleSam Wrote:  In the night from saturday to sunday someone burned a potential "refugee" dwelling in Wertheim/Germany.

The next day brave citizens held a demonstration against xenophobia, here is a picture:



Recognize the gay pride flag in the background? I'm doing a bit of research and it turns out welcoming "refugees" with a rainbow flag seems to be a hip thing to do in this town:



I mean who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to welcome a bunch of muslims with a rainbow flag? This country is just ruined by stupid people. It's a harsh truth but I have to accept it I guess.

I think the refugees would feel more welcome if they were holding a German flag.... that was on fire.

Um, Uncle Sam..

So is European education advance in language and mathematics compared to America, but behind in social studies?


ALSO:

Based Poland burns an EU and ISIS flag at the same rally in Wroclaw

(09-21-2015 07:44 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  Germany has integrated educated minorities much better than America.
That includes Asians.

Not even close. Actually, Thilo Sarrazin, who's a prominent figure in Germany, wrote an entire book on how poorly Muslims (Turks) have integrated into German society.

From an interview with him:

Quote: we need to say to the Muslim immigrants who are already here: you become German some time, even if you stick with Turkish cooking and keep going to the mosque. And if you don't want to do that, it's best you go back home. Opinion polls show that more than 60% of Turks in Germany cannot speak German at all or cannot speak it well; and a third would leave Germany immediately if there were no German benefits.

But his most controversial statement was this:

Quote:KURIER: And Muslims are more stupid than other immigrants?

Thilo Sarrazin: It doesn’t say that anywhere in my book, and I have also never said that. In my book I trace the lower educational performance of Muslim immigrants on average to their cultural background, one that has been shaped by Islam. The attitude to education and knowledge, characteristics such as diligence and precision and sense of duty are passed on culturally. To a large extent, we take on the values and attitudes of the culture and the class we grow up in. That is the reason why there is no rational solution to the underclass problem in England, why the South Italians are different from the Milanese. And it’s just the same with the Muslim immigrants we get: they bring their culture with them and their performance in school is comparable to what exists in their countries of origin. Their poor performance does not prove to be especially disadvantageous among us. The latest PISA study shows that 15-year-old schoolchildren in Turkey or in Arab countries are two to three years behind the average school performance in Europe, that the share of the lowest performers is significantly higher and the share of top performers significantly lower. With immigrants from East Asia to the USA, Canada and Australia or Europe, on the other hand, it is the reverse. On average they have a significantly better educational performance than the locals.

Quote:The KEYBOARD WARRIORS are passe in times of crisis. What's needed are doers, not talkers. Now get off and do something with your effeminated German brethren - the 2nd biggest pussies in Europe.

I generally prefer to avoid back-and-forths in busy threads, but for the sake of clarification, I was referring specifically to you, Rhino. I think you have an elementary understanding of the refugee crisis and the complexities of European geopolitics, made evident by your knee-jerk reactions to mainstream media headlines. You've demonstrated a defeatist attitude not only by naming this thread "The End of Europe" (which you were called out on by several members) but also by posting over a dozen responses best described as naive and defeatist.

I would recommend browsing the other 50+ immigration or terrorist attack threads in the Everything Else section at RVF. You'll find hundreds of posts explaining the key positions and worldviews of many members here, including my own, along with complete macro-level discussions you're simply rehashing in a new thread. More specifically, you'll learn the most from posts by Samseau, Wastelander, Scorpion, Libertas, and Handsome Creepy Eel who are well-versed in international affairs and who have discussed these points at length on multiple occasions.

This may be a fun or interesting topic to discuss on internet forums, but for many posters here, it's reality. We only need to look out the window to see the things you're reading about on Twitter (judging from your profile, from behind a desk in the U.S.). Since you're also unaware of the sensitive hate speech and provocation laws in Europe (which as an American citizen, I'm obligated to follow) you should know that real resistance and action wouldn't be broadcast on a self-improvement game forum.

Situation in German migrant centers is already critical



I have found a telling example of what is occuring in German areas with migrant centers. Location Northwest of Germany (Hesepe).

In Hesepe, there is a first stage reception center for migrants. Originally designed for 600 people max, now there are 4000. At the same time, the number of normal inhabitants of the rural village is only 2500.

The people living in Hesepe complain about noise, dirt and arab/african men harassing women. There is only one supermarket in the village, visited by hundreds of migrants each day. The market is suffering from theft and vandalism.
Police sirens are heard frequently, for the police either stopping infights, accidents or investigating crime. The situation in the camp has become a serious burden. There is also a severe drug problem.
All in all, normal life in the village has ceased to exist. People are afraid to go out at night, especially women and children. Sources (no translation yet)
German newspaper article about Hesepe
German county seeks doctors for 4000 refugees

But wait, this is not the end of the story...

Migrants make demands saying living conditions are inhumane

In an open letter, migrants complain about living conditions and make suggestions which, in essence, are more demands. (no translation yet) open letter of migrants

These things do the migrants want:
1. Own kitchens. -Reasons: Food of canteen would be unhealthy, against religious rules; also, it would not be enough food, it would be rationed, and individual needs would be igonored (children, pregnant mothers)
2. The doctors they want whenever they want. -Reasons: Medical assistance in camp would be insufficient, nurses would just give pain killers and not care enough; no special medical care for serious cases
3. Regular school education for children and advanced education for adults. -Reasons: Children would only get two hours a week, no learning of language possible; teachers would ask funny questions and not trust children; no books and teaching material for children.
4. More translators. -Reasons: Translators needed for medical treatment, many translators would be biased or prejudiced.
5. Help for drug problem. -Reasons: Many migrants would take drugs, but that would be ignored.
6. Decent housing. -Reasons: Families would live in one room or one tent only, living conditions unbearable, no intimacy; children and adults are disturbing each other, there would not be enough heating, there would be danger of diseases.

So what would be the solution then: Thousands of apartments, hundreds of teachers for education, hundreds of occupational teachers for adults? Hundreds of translators for 30 language groups? Dozens of psychologists for drug counseling, dozens of special doctors, and, as a matter of fact, additional care for complicated health problems? And if not, there will be dirt, turmoils, disease, unrest, crime?

There is no way that all of these things could be provided. There have been and there are no ressources for all of this. Apart from the question of whether or not these "refugees" should just be sent back immediately.

Consequently, migrant reception centers have become boiling points of unrest, aggression and crimes. They are developing into slums which disrupt normal life - not only in cities, but also in rural areas.

I wonder how much this will affect Germany's GDP.

You have provisions for basic amenities, free education, free money, free healthcare, free accommodation. Then factor in drug problems, crime and disruption of the country due to the invasion. Productivity goes down.

I reckon those 200 mosques will be accepted to cover any debts Germany will incur but they will simply be a bandaid. Oh Germany, what have you done to yourself.

Handsome Creepy Eel's Piece about Croatia has been posted in the Europe reddit. Prepare for either my expulsion and a witch hunt or a revolution

Go upvote that shit so Eel can get some fame

Quote:KURIER: And Muslims are more stupid than other immigrants?

Thilo Sarrazin: It doesn’t say that anywhere in my book, and I have also never said that. In my book I trace the lower educational performance of Muslim immigrants on average to their cultural background, one that has been shaped by Islam. The attitude to education and knowledge, characteristics such as diligence and precision and sense of duty are passed on culturally. To a large extent, we take on the values and attitudes of the culture and the class we grow up in. That is the reason why there is no rational solution to the underclass problem in England, why the South Italians are different from the Milanese.

Fuck man. Are my brethren in Sicily really that bad? My family highly encouraged education, especially self education. My uncle went Ivy league, another oversaw the building of jumbo jets. Most of the men in little Italy of Cleveland were smart people. Do only the good ones emigrate? What's the animosity against Sicilians as a whole?

I wonder if in my lifetime we'll see a genocide of leftists in both America and Europe.

(09-21-2015 11:05 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  I wonder if in my lifetime we'll see a genocide of leftists in both America and Europe.

In politically correct right-wing terms, we call this a purge.

(09-21-2015 11:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 11:05 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  I wonder if in my lifetime we'll see a genocide of leftists in both America and Europe.

In politically correct right-wing terms, we call this a purge.

Yep, some days I think it would be nice if their respective militaries would turn the cannon away from the village and towards the castle.

Vibrant youth coming to Europe

Border of Hungary-Croatia

(09-21-2015 10:35 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Quote:KURIER: And Muslims are more stupid than other immigrants?

Thilo Sarrazin: It doesn’t say that anywhere in my book, and I have also never said that. In my book I trace the lower educational performance of Muslim immigrants on average to their cultural background, one that has been shaped by Islam. The attitude to education and knowledge, characteristics such as diligence and precision and sense of duty are passed on culturally. To a large extent, we take on the values and attitudes of the culture and the class we grow up in. That is the reason why there is no rational solution to the underclass problem in England, why the South Italians are different from the Milanese. And it’s just the same with the Muslim immigrants we get: they bring their culture with them and their performance in school is comparable to what exists in their countries of origin. Their poor performance does not prove to be especially disadvantageous among us. The latest PISA study shows that 15-year-old schoolchildren in Turkey or in Arab countries are two to three years behind the average school performance in Europe, that the share of the lowest performers is significantly higher and the share of top performers significantly lower. With immigrants from East Asia to the USA, Canada and Australia or Europe, on the other hand, it is the reverse. On average they have a significantly better educational performance than the locals.

Yup - on aggregate that is all true. We have Turkish and Arab migrants in Germany or the Netherlands for decades now. Despite numbering into the millions they usually remain in the bottom social level. There are exceptions and I met some personally, but generally their work ethic and idea about education is just terrible. One of the reasons for the success of Asians or the Jewish people was that they put great stress on intellectual achievements. None of that is seen in the Arab world. Even super-wealthy places like Saudi Arabia or Dubai are being administrated by foreigners. Their civilization would literally crumble if the foreigners left. Iranians seem to be partly an exception, but mostly due to the fact that they have some Persian mentality left and just had the bad luck of being located so close to Mohammed's war.

So no - the Muslims won't be ruling Europe, they won't be prospering in Europe even if they are 30% of the entire European population. They also won't be united enough to even act as one concentrated front. Those buggers will just make life worse for the bottom 90% and certainly for women.

I don't think that Asian countries will crack down on foreigners who actually have money and don't need to work the jobs of locals. Rich Arab sheiks are equally welcome in Europe and many of them live happily in Vienna or Munich. There is no conflict with them.

And personally I don't need to be accepted by the entire society in places like Thailand or Japan as an equal local to be happy. I always find like-minded people in any race - never feel lonely.

You either move up financially and live like a king in Miami, NYC, LA, Las Vegas, Paris, London, Vienna or you move to Eastern Europe, potentially FSU or Asia. Even when times are tough, then you can have a good life.

Also I wouldn't equate the situation with a full attack of the Ottoman empire. If it were so simple like that then the people would know what to do. The US & EU people could easily defend themselves against illegal migrants. The situation is more complicated and the elite has decided to go forward with their shitty plans. Opposing them would have to start at deposing them, but good luck with that if you still believe that elected politicians are the real string-pullers.