(09-14-2015 09:40 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^ So you are stating that NO people have right to any land? Does that include Europeans in Europe or that logic only apply to people outside of Europe.

We saw much more violence in South Africa before the blacks got into "Power", also don't kid yourself the Elites that run that country are still white.

White South Africans have gladly been embraced into other Anglo countries, therefore I wouldn't call them migrants.

Who is going to fight in Europe? Are you going to fight?

No people have any "right" to any land.

Simply saying "I am French I have a right to France" is nonsensical. If other people come and take your land from you, what does it mean to say you had "a right" to it? That your family lived there for generations immemorial? Sure, fine, I bet they did. Doesn't matter if you allow someone else to take your land from you.

France itself used to be called "Gaul", a word referring to the Celtic people who lived there. The Romans conquered it, still calling it Gaul, and that's why France has a Romance language and not a Celtic language today. The name "France" itself though comes from the Franks, a Germanic tribe that later conquered the area, leaving their name on the country.

So your French nationalist may very well have ancestors that go back generations, but are descendents of the conquering Franks, who just conquered in the wake of the Roman empire what Rome themselves had conquered from the Celts, who themselves were part of the Indo-European expansion into that area which wiped out the indigenous hunter-gatherers who left only the faintest traces in modern European genetics.

Another interesting case in this vein is the people called the Alans. A North Caucasian or Central Asian people, they migrated through Europe, Down into North Africa, and set up a kingdom there, from which point they later invaded Mediterranean islands and even Italy.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans

All land is up for grabs, if you can effectively fight to keep it, then it is yours, until such time as someone else can take it from you. If your government doesn't stop others from coming and taking it from you, well then, how is your "right" to your land looking?

I am not a combatant in Europe, I'm an American.

I'm not fighting in any practical sense of the word. The closest I get is spouting opinions like these to people close to me. Maybe I will convince one or two to change their mind. Maybe they can convince one or two others. The impact is small, if anything. A vote for Trump means little in the grand scheme of things. I'm just talking and sharing my perception of reality.

It's up to Europeans to fight for their countries, or lose them.

(09-14-2015 09:36 AM)jasond Wrote:  

Quote:South Africa!!!! Great example dude....

You mean a African (black) country gets taken over by white "migrants", then they are turned into slaves in their own country.

I am sure no blacks were murdered/raped/looted in the takeover. Not like South Africa has any resources apart from producing 70% of the world's diamonds.

Oh wait a minute.....that is a great example...the reverse is going to happen now in Europe.

Comparing Western European colonization (such as South Africa) to the current migrant crisis shows great ignorance.

Colonization was an example of more advanced civilizations expanding and generally bringing a more civilizing influence on savage and backwards societies.

The current migrant crisis is about third-world economic refugees leeching off the misguided policies of richer nations.

To bad your advanced civilization cannot find a way to keep the savages out now.

I am always curious who supplies the boats for these guys to come across the med sea!

I think the term is "out of chaos comes order".

(09-14-2015 09:46 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  How was anyplace in Africa founded by whites? C'mon Sam.

Because the nation of South Africa didn't exist before colonialism, the cape was home to multiple ethnic groups of pastoral tribesmen. So yes, South Africa was founded by white people in the same way that Singapore and the United States were founded by white people despite having an indigenous non-white population.

Sonsowey - As a American I am surprised you have that stance about your land. I thought the right to bear arms and protect your land is part of the American constitution.

Is that not what makes America a republic?

White nationalists are stepping up their media game





I wonder how big they'll grow during these invasions? From what I can gather across the net, I estimate at least 1 million White Europeans are basically shifting their politics to White Nationalism. If more bad shit keeps happening (and it will) then this number will grow. This is the inevitable backlash as war comes.

EDIT - Also Rudebwoy Sweet Pea beat me to it.

But regardless, the history is largely irrelevant. We're talking about why the fuck is wrong with Whites? Where in history can you find such examples of ethnic suicide?

(09-14-2015 09:40 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  We saw much more violence in South Africa before the blacks got into "Power"

(09-14-2015 10:08 AM)Samseau Wrote:  But regardless, the history is largely irrelevant. We're talking about why the fuck is wrong with Whites? Where in history can you find such examples of ethnic suicide?

White Culture is infected by liberalism. It is the root of all our problems.

From "The Root of White Decline" by Brett Stevens http://www.amerika.org/social-reality/th...e-decline/

Quote:The Enlightenment™ created a new goal for civilization. Where previously people had tried to live within an order of nature and gods, now they strove for a human order. Its quanta and goal was the individual. Society should not restrain the individual, lest it be a genius artist, inventor or humanitarian. In other words, our thinking reversed: instead of adapting to reality, we made it adapt to us as individuals using the power (and threat of guilt) wielded by the group.

As a revolution in intellectual thought, this notion re-made the West. Religion, culture and heritage died; individualism, altruism and ego-drama thrived. Over the next two centuries, this created an ideological competition for attention — sort of like attention whoring — which propelled the Western powers into wars for egalitarian purity. Internal to these societies, the situation worsened. As rules piled up to take the place of culture, they created a citizenry that expected to be told what to do and then to work around it, making themselves slowly into low-grade criminals. Government in turn expanded because of its infinite mission as enshrined in egalitarianism itself, and quickly became a force for squashing non-conformists so it could preserve the increasingly fragile status quo. The individual experienced a new world where life tasks were designed for the lowest common denominator, cultural favorites were chosen by what the herd liked, and daily life consistent of waiting in frustration occasioned by the incompetence of others.

By 1900, Western European nations had become visibly miserable places to live. And yet few would say it, because life there was still so much better than the rest of the world, which being dedicated to individualism and not principle, found itself living in squalor, corruption and conflict. It became fashionable to ignore the decline and instead scapegoat the remaining non-Leftist forces, which made everyone feel better by pushing aside their sense of dread at how badly things were going. Those who could, retreated to the suburbs and tried to keep their heads down, work hard, pay taxes and hope everything would blow over. It has not. Since government by popularity contest chooses actors and liars who deny real problems because they can do nothing about them, and instead pick a series of scapegoats, leadership has gone from generals to people who might be able to manage a Target or Wal-mart store, maybe. Our elites are incompetent flatterers, our voters delusional when not outright fools, and everything official is a lie.

That downfall is the basis of our ethnic downfall. The West commits suicide because for anyone of moderate intelligence, living here is miserable and hypocritical. This misery arises from the lack of social order we have created and the bureaucratic State trying to fill the void. Even the great evil Corporations are creations of the voters, who systematically removed any sensible balances and replaced them with rules enforced by overweight chair-bound people who trust that what is written on paper is true. In addition to the sociopathic and self-destructive Leftists whose goal is always to destroy society so their own egos can be unbound, normal people now quest to destroy the West because it is an ugly, dysfunctional and dystopian thing.

Quote: What, then, is the origin of our decline? Individualism, which gives rise to the dual individualist/collectivist state of mind, which is called “Crowdism” on this site. The individualists band together to use the power of the crowd to force acceptance of everyone at the price of then participating in lynch mobs for anyone who defies (or, as time goes on, simply ignores) the will of the crowd. Hell-bent on illusion, it creates its own problems and scapegoats non-Crowdists for its own failure. This creates a circular, self-referential and self-consuming process that creates a downward spiral in society, leaving behind a paranoid, self-hating ruin in which many groups and most individuals are divided against each other, yet forced into conformity in public. As in the former Soviet Union, theft and sabotage — even if the everyday variety that consists of engaging in self-serving ignorance regarding low performance and failure — become the norm. Riding on the momentum of past wealth and glory, the civilization surges forward while congratulating itself on being “above” the third world, but the gap narrows with every year.

Democracy fails for a number of reasons. The first is what Sowell mentions, which is that a group of dual individualist/collectivist persons will act collectively for the individual and then individually disclaim accountability and responsibility. The second big hole in democracy is the incompetence of the average person; do you honestly think the basement-dwelling guy who smokes weed and plays video games all day long is going to make a good, selfless and informed decision? Maybe in some cases, but not in the majority. The third big problem is to my mind the worst, which is that democracy experiences the committee thinking effect. Problems must be framed in yes/no questions; people pick those by relative merit, which means they vote by fears; voters are afraid to offend, so pick the least effective solutions; each group must be recognized, and they all have conflicting efforts, which leads to a compromise that favors inertia not decision-making. As with a committee or any other bureaucratic exercise, this takes a long time and generates reams of paper which no one reads. It is a failure on every level.

Quote:Thus as we approach the issue of immigration and what the intelligent writers at VDARE refer to as The National Question, we should realize that its roots affect the issue as it is today. White people do not want to unite because they hate other white people because of the decline of society itself. We have become uncivilized, selfish and egotistical, with most not deserving of any commendation yet becoming darlings of the voters, public opinion and commerce by being average (a fancy word for “mediocre”) instead of exceptional. Like the Communists, we have destroyed the incentive to excel, and have made of ourselves a bickering herd of self-important little people who now hate each other and wish nothing more than to obliterate each other by any method: war, disorder, immigration and political extermination are historical favorites. For us to fix the immigration question requires we fix a bigger question, which is our self-hating individualism masked as collectivist altruism.

I highly recommend others who are interested in conservatism and traditionalism to check out his blog http://www.amerika.org

(09-14-2015 10:15 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 09:40 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  We saw much more violence in South Africa before the blacks got into "Power"

^ War Crimes would be a better description.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/africa-ju...ica_10-29/

Truth and Reconciliation Report - South Africa

Looks like Europe is starting to have some of the same problems as Australia did with refugees two years ago. More and more people fleeing there for economic benefits illegally, at such a rate that people start turning a profit by smuggling people in.

(09-14-2015 10:03 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Sonsowey - As a American I am surprised you have that stance about your land. I thought the right to bear arms and protect your land is part of the American constitution.

Is that not what makes America a republic?

We took this from the Indians, now many see that foreigners are coming in and taking it from us.

If Trump builds a wall and cuts off immigration, I'd be happy. The quality of the migrants we are getting is not good. Crime, low educational attainment, poverty, etc.

However, if our culture is so degraded that we cannot even muster the effort to build a paltry wall or simply change the law to stop ourselves from being flooded by whoever might like to come here, well, we are not long for this earth.

America is a perfect example of how ephemeral control of land is. This used to all be Native American land, until it wasn't.

An Italian anti-immigrant party has used this imagery which struck me really strongly. It says "They allowed immigration. Now they live on reservations."



Aren't you of African descent but have lived in North America and Europe?

You see it just as plainly as I do then. You're African. I'm European. We're living continents away from our "rightful homeland". We're both living testaments to the fact that people do not necessarily stay in their "rightful homeland", and people can not necessarily stop others from settling in their own "rightful homeland". Certain countries do choose to control their borders, like Japan, and it has generally had wonderful results from this. I wish the U.S. did the same. But I see that it's very possible that the U.S. may just slip away, that's why I actually support doing something to avoid that.

Samseau,

If you haven't read Peter Frost, he is your man on the question of "Why are whites so suicidal?"

It's generally called pathological altruism, the desire to help others so strong that it ends up hurting yourselves.

http://www.unz.com/pfrost/we-are-not-equally-empathic/

The Japanese are not affected by this, at least in their immigration policy. They are a high IQ group who has one of the greatest countries in the world, despite any problem you might note there, the standard of living is plainly superior to just about anywhere on the planet. And they don't let in floods of immigrants. They have one culture, are one people, and maintain it. Their crime rate is laughably low, their poverty rate as well.

Frost offers all sorts of ideas regarding this phenomenon in Europeans, but partially it is genetic.

^^^

It's probably the Christian influence.

Must-read for all: The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution.

Samseau, you'll learn why Whites are pathologically altruistic. Rudebwoy, you'll learn why Africans lag behind the rest of the world in practically every conceivable measure, even post-colonialism. Humans are subject to the laws of nature and evolution; political ideologies and contemporary world cultures only serve as mechanisms to mask and camouflage these underlying differences.

(09-14-2015 10:28 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 09:40 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  We saw much more violence in South Africa before the blacks got into "Power"

^ War Crimes would be a better description.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/africa-ju...ica_10-29/

Truth and Reconciliation Report - South Africa

I´m sure you know Desmond Tutu, let me remind you:

Quote:Tutu's admirers see him as a man who since the demise of apartheid has been active in the defence of human rights and uses his high profile to campaign for the oppressed. He has campaigned to fight HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, poverty, racism, sexism, the imprisonment of Chelsea Manning, homophobia and transphobia. He received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1984; the Albert Schweitzer Prize for Humanitarianism in 1986; the Pacem in Terris Award in 1987; the Sydney Peace Prize in 1999; the Gandhi Peace Prize in 2007; and the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2009.

More importantly, he was also the chairman of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, whose results your link refers to, by the way also including a statement by Tutu.


Now, here´s what Desmond Tutu had to say on the issue:

Quote:Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu says South African society is now more violent than it was under apartheid, but he has faith that the younger generation has the ability to build a better society.
(...)
When asked what had happened to South African society, Mr Tutu replied: "Very simply, we have become one of the most violent societies. That is not what we were even under apartheid, but we are now."

Might I remind you of your original statement?

(09-14-2015 09:40 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  We saw much more violence in South Africa before the blacks got into "Power"

Desmond Tutu, the very same man whose work you cite as source for your claim:

Quote:We have become one of the most violent societies. That is not what we were even under apartheid, but we are now.

With all due respect to your right of free speech, it doesn´t protect you from being called out for making erroneous claims. If you can´t stand that, I´ll advise you to do your research next time. Thank you, and have a nice day.

Quote:Firstly the language, then the weather.

If fucking weather is stopping you from migrating to a place, then obviously you don't have any significant problems in your homeland.

I'm just flabbergasted by people who complain about the West but would never move to South America because it's "corrupt" and would never move to Russia because "it snows a lot". Come on, guys. If you want good things in life, you can't afford to be so picky.

Sonsowey - touche mon ami!

I am a Caribbean that grew up in the UK and yes it saddens me when I go back to see how places have changed. Whites have moved out of London to the surrounding suburbs and some areas in London resemble Kabul/Modagihsu.

In Canada, the same thing is happening. We have flown the multi-cultural flag for quite awhile now and Mosques are turning up in my suburb, as well as "Canadian" restaurants closing and being turned into middle-eastern/indian restaurants. Whites have once again moved out of the area to the countryside.

The problem I have is that these people want to bring their customs to Canada and they pressure the Government into adapting certain policies.

The thing is I understand who controls the system and why they implement these policies.

(09-14-2015 10:08 AM)Samseau Wrote:  From what I can gather across the net, I estimate at least 1 million White Europeans are basically shifting their politics to White Nationalism. If more bad shit keeps happening (and it will) then this number will grow. This is the inevitable backlash as war comes.

I'm late to the thread, but I can confirm that what I'm quoting is true here in Sweden. Out of eight parties (in the parliament) there's only one that wants to limit immigration. That party, the "Sweden Democrats", are now the third largest in the country and the fastest growing.
One can summarize it like it's seven parties which are for open immigration and only one against. And those 7 parties do everything to not give the "Sweden Democrats" any influence.

Celtic-Austrian - not sure what you are on about, but the killing of whites in South Africa is no way comparable to the amount of blacks that have been slaughtered in South Africa for centuries.

I guess you agree with Apartheid?

(09-14-2015 11:08 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Quote:Firstly the language, then the weather.

If fucking weather is stopping you from migrating to a place, then obviously you don't have any significant problems in your homeland.

I'm just flabbergasted by people who complain about the West but would never move to South America because it's "corrupt" and would never move to Russia because "it snows a lot". Come on, guys. If you want good things in life, you can't afford to be so picky.

What the fuck is your problem? No need for the aggressive tone, just because I don't want to move to fucking Russia.

The sun is one of my favourite things in life. It sucks I live in England and only get a lot of sun for three months of the year. I'm not moving to a colder country, end of story.

Then I brought up the problems of language and culture. I might consider living in the cold all the time if there weren't those problems to deal with as well.

We won't be welcomed like brothers there, we will have to assimilate into the culture and learn the language, and thats another thing I'm not prepared to do.

The discussion on race has had me thinking, if this altrustic white people thing is true, maybe I'm less altruistic than most white people because I'm half Mexican and half white. Maybe that's why I want to defend Europe where most whites I know don't care, are on the side of the invaders, or have given up.

Also, maybe that's why I care so much about sunlight. lol. I genuinely think autumn and especially winter is depressing when it gets dark at like 5pm and I feel much healthier and more happy in summer.

Maybe that's all a pile of shit though.

(09-14-2015 11:13 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Celtic-Austrian - not sure what you are on about, but the killing of whites in South Africa is no way comparable to the amount of blacks that have been slaughtered in South Africa for centuries.

I guess you agree with Apartheid?

Yes, and that's all terrible, but Africans killed other Africans for thousands of years before whites came into the picture. There are something like 5 dominant ethnic groups in all of Africa where thousands of years ago there were hundreds of different ethnic groups. Did Europeans wipe them all out, or did the strong groups conquer the weaker ones?

Just as the Dacians and Illyrians go extinct in Europe due to destruction by other white groups, so too did many groups in Africa because of blacks.

The Han Chinese blobbed out and devoured countless lost groups.

The Arabs exploded out of the Arabian Peninsula and conquered their way across North Africa and into Central Asia, Arabizing and assimilating ancient cultures.

The Turks completely cleansed Anatolia of Greeks.

It doesn't matter what's right, only that the strong exercise their power over the weak. You're the one playing the race card, and I highly doubt you'd be posting the same messages if native South Africans had colonized Ireland and instituted segregation, or if Ethiopians had been the ones to colonize South Africa.

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(09-14-2015 11:47 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 11:09 AM)Summer Wrote:  I'm late to the thread, but I can confirm that what I'm quoting is true here in Sweden. Out of eight parties (in the parliament) there's only one that wants to limit immigration. That party, the "Sweden Democrats", are now the third largest in the country and the fastest growing.
One can summarize it like it's seven parties which are for open immigration and only one against. And those 7 parties do everything to not give the "Sweden Democrats" any influence.

Actually, according to polls, they are now the largest party with over 26% support.

Thank you for confirming the "fastest growing" part


A video about the situation in Sweden.

(09-14-2015 10:56 AM)Dusty Wrote:  ^^^

It's probably the Christian influence.

Partially, but not entirely. You can read Frost. The 10,000 Year Explosion by Cochran is also assuredly great judging by his site. I haven't read that yet though.

(09-13-2015 06:11 PM)Requiem Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=9&v=09vqhZV6jt8



Regular British people pissed at the BBC for biased coverage, dropping red pills left and right, not buying BS anymore. This is great.

Jesus that host is a troll. He is getting a bunch of sincere callers trying to sort out a serious question, and he just winds them up. Shameless.

RedPillUK, I didn't mean to be aggressive, my apologies. However, I will always think that it's petty to let weather stop you from dealing with serious life problems such as poverty, inability to procreate safely, or the threat of imprisonment. And I say that as someone who enjoys one of the finest climate conditions in the world and would be sad to give them up.