Post: #1

Western = North America, Western Europe and Australia.
And if someone wonders: Western Europe is basically everything that wasn't part of the Warsaw pact before 1989. Yes, I'm including in the term also Italy, Spain, Sweden etc.

So, here are some observations I've noticed over the years:

First, it's hard for western women to comprehend that you don't like them. To them, the fact that they have a vag* is such an irresistible advantage that in their opinion you'd hit on anything as far as it is a female - it doesn't matter west/east/asian/ etc. You have no chance then but to insult them harder since just saying "I'm not interested in western women" will NOT work. They also believe that this is some PUA tactic, like "acting like a jerk to get them interested" or something...which is of course wrong.

Western women (should start using the term WW maybe?) get more attracted to you the moment they find out you aren't attracted to them.

They're also very quick to generalize. To them the reason for your dislike of WWs is because you belong to certain race, group, red pill or whatever. They also think you have negative experience with them in the past and hence your disappointment.

^ Those are just some observations that go beyond the obvious criticism of things like "they're chubby, loud, opinionated..." etc. That is, I am talking about results from personal interactions with them and not the obvious signs that you'd notice after just googling "american women" or so.

As to my explanation of their decadence I could blame it on capitalism/stressful society, religion??, alcohol, drug abuse...even language as some user here suggested.

Post: #2

This stuff has been gone over ad nauseum, but for me the biggest turn-off is the fact that many of them behave more like men. That tends to lead to the other negative qualities.

Post: #3

(09-13-2015 08:41 AM)Rang off the Pipe Wrote:  This stuff has been gone over ad nauseum, but for me the biggest turn-off is the fact that many of them behave more like men. That tends to lead to the other negative qualities.

"The f*ck dude, who are you to tell me what do with my curves? Shit man...I'ma play Call of Duty now. Japanese men FTW! I'm 100% straight but I only do girls.
By the way: I am a woman...no seriously...don't laugh I am NOT a guy!"

Post: #4

Frankly speaking western women aren't that bad. I would really want to score a slim western women on a regular basis, but its too hard, you gotta put in some decent effort unless you're very good looking. A western 7 has too many options, and the competition is fierce. Since this is a manosphere site, no one wants to settle for a 5 or 6. Asians 7's and 8's are much easier to score, but none of them can hold a proper intellectual conversation so after a while it gets boring. I'd definitely prefer a western women for a LTR.

Post: #5

(09-13-2015 05:09 AM)kral_belial Wrote:  As to my explanation of their decadence I could blame it on capitalism/stressful society, religion??, alcohol, drug abuse...even language as some user here suggested.

At the risk of stating the obvious - Feminism is the unequivocal cause of poor long term relationship prospects. Regarding your comment on religion, there's lots of anecdotal evidence here to suggest that a pious chick is actually a relatively good prospect.

Notwithstanding, even if you do find a diamond in the rough, the western legal system is so skewed in favour of women that you're inviting financial ruin upon yourself, if it all turns to shit, which the probability of that eventually occurring is quite high.

Not sure where you're getting this idea that western women are disliked wholesale. Some are great for a pump and dump, or even a mini relationship - I think red pillers are just privy to the risks involved taking it further than that, from a legal and loyalty perspective.

Post: #6

(09-13-2015 08:58 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  I'd definitely prefer a western women for a LTR.

Post: #7

(09-13-2015 05:09 AM)kral_belial Wrote:  And if someone wonders: Western Europe is basically everything that wasn't part of the Warsaw pact before 1989. Yes, I'm including in the term also Italy, Spain, Sweden etc.

You don't need to point out that you're including those countries in the western Europe group, they ARE western European, it's like saying "the whole United States, and yes I'm including California and Vermont", it's unnecessary.

Anyway, unlike others I don't think the problem is the western woman herself but female nature, it's just that due to a confluence of many difference reasons, the west makes it easier than other places in the world for women to display their worst traits and let their best ones lay dormant.

Post: #8

Just general unpleasantness. That about sums it up. Was talking to a few American chicks the other day. They just have such a low regard for people in general, and talking to them is just really unpleasant. I get the feeling none of them are happy, that they have some kind of sociological damage to their brain. I'm always inches from cutting them off mid-sentence and saying "actually, just fuck off, this is horrible".

Compare that with other countries where women go out of their way to be pleasant. It's just never going to be worth setting foot in the West again. It would be like choosing to live somewhere with thick smog after living on a pristine fresh-aired beach for 2 years.

Post: #9

Yes it Is happening in Colombia too. With the advent of smart phones and the Free Trade agreement, very few girls exist here that are worth more than a pump and dump. Girlfriend material is almost non existent. I still will come here regularly, because young attractive women are relatively easy.
But like Roosh, I am betting on Russia. And I am hoping Uzbekistan is even better.

Post: #10

(09-13-2015 08:58 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  Frankly speaking western women aren't that bad. I would really want to score a slim western women on a regular basis, but its too hard, you gotta put in some decent effort unless you're very good looking. A western 7 has too many options, and the competition is fierce. Since this is a manosphere site, no one wants to settle for a 5 or 6. Asians 7's and 8's are much easier to score, but none of them can hold a proper intellectual conversation so after a while it gets boring. I'd definitely prefer a western women for a LTR.

I'm curious. What do you mean by that?

Post: #11

Not that the this is a super interesting story, but...here's a recent story that happened to me in Greece, that I'd like to share to illustrate a point:

I spent a week in Mykonos, Greece this summer where I was trying to advance things with an Israeli/Jewish solid 9 (the story with her is totally unrelated to this topic so I'd leave it without further details...).

So, one day this happens:

I visit a pizzeria waiting for my date. Sit outside and the place is as empty as the Minotaur Maze - just me and some old guy. I waited a lot...like 15+ minutes and while the girl I was waiting was still late, 2 girls enter the pizzeria. Now the first thing that happens is they sit very close next to me when again the whole place is empty. They could've sit anywhere and yet sit meter nearby??

It gets worse: At the beginning I'm acting as if I am not noticing them but they kind of "eye rape" me while not saying nothing. I called the girl I was waiting for to see what happens...it turns out she's on her way etc. Then the waiter comes (to them - I've already ordered). So, after a small chat I hear them saying they're from America, Georgia and it's their first time in Greece, so on. However the waiter had a very funny accent so I just smiled and laughed a bit when he was flirting with them like: "What aRe you doing heRe giRls". Then...those girls noticing me laughing and they start looking at each other with faces like "omg that creepy guy".


^ and yeah this is where the story ends . I know it's super boring thing to have spent telling it but notice the flow of events again:

1. 2 american girls sit next to me in an empty restaurant.
2. eye-rape me for 5 minutes.
3. act as if I am total creep when I show signs that I finally notice them.

Post: #12

(09-13-2015 10:51 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 08:58 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  Frankly speaking western women aren't that bad. I would really want to score a slim western women on a regular basis, but its too hard, you gotta put in some decent effort unless you're very good looking. A western 7 has too many options, and the competition is fierce. Since this is a manosphere site, no one wants to settle for a 5 or 6. Asians 7's and 8's are much easier to score, but none of them can hold a proper intellectual conversation so after a while it gets boring. I'd definitely prefer a western women for a LTR.

I'm curious. What do you mean by that?

I DON'T want to bash the TurkishRepublican guy but it's often namely Western feminazis who say things like that "western women have personality unlike Russian women".

O yeah...those dumb Eastern European women who read Pushkin, Nietzsche and listen to Filip Kirkorov. What do they understand of culture, they don't even know who Wiz Khalifa is! (sarcasm).

Post: #13

(09-13-2015 10:51 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 08:58 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  Frankly speaking western women aren't that bad. I would really want to score a slim western women on a regular basis, but its too hard, you gotta put in some decent effort unless you're very good looking. A western 7 has too many options, and the competition is fierce. Since this is a manosphere site, no one wants to settle for a 5 or 6. Asians 7's and 8's are much easier to score, but none of them can hold a proper intellectual conversation so after a while it gets boring. I'd definitely prefer a western women for a LTR.

I'm curious. What do you mean by that?

They don't have any opinions about current matters, at least the ones I've met were like that. One of the girls I dated in Thailand worked in Deloitte as an auditor, but she didn't even know about the Enron accounting scandal.

Post: #14

(09-13-2015 11:02 AM)kral_belial Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:51 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 08:58 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  Frankly speaking western women aren't that bad. I would really want to score a slim western women on a regular basis, but its too hard, you gotta put in some decent effort unless you're very good looking. A western 7 has too many options, and the competition is fierce. Since this is a manosphere site, no one wants to settle for a 5 or 6. Asians 7's and 8's are much easier to score, but none of them can hold a proper intellectual conversation so after a while it gets boring. I'd definitely prefer a western women for a LTR.

I'm curious. What do you mean by that?

I DON'T want to bash the TurkishRepublican guy but it's often namely Western feminazis who say things like that "western women have personality unlike Russian women".

O yeah...those dumb Eastern European women who read Pushkin, Nietzsche and listen to Filip Kirkorov. What do they understand of culture, they don't even know who Wiz Khalifa is! (sarcasm).

I despise feminism and the SJW attitude. Russian women are very intellectual. A girl can be intellectual and feminine at the same time. I have huge experience with dating asian women, none of them struck me as being smart or intellectual. I felt like a dumb rock when I dated them.

Post: #15

(09-13-2015 11:06 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 11:02 AM)kral_belial Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:51 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 08:58 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  Frankly speaking western women aren't that bad. I would really want to score a slim western women on a regular basis, but its too hard, you gotta put in some decent effort unless you're very good looking. A western 7 has too many options, and the competition is fierce. Since this is a manosphere site, no one wants to settle for a 5 or 6. Asians 7's and 8's are much easier to score, but none of them can hold a proper intellectual conversation so after a while it gets boring. I'd definitely prefer a western women for a LTR.

I'm curious. What do you mean by that?

I DON'T want to bash the TurkishRepublican guy but it's often namely Western feminazis who say things like that "western women have personality unlike Russian women".

O yeah...those dumb Eastern European women who read Pushkin, Nietzsche and listen to Filip Kirkorov. What do they understand of culture, they don't even know who Wiz Khalifa is! (sarcasm).

I despise feminism and the SJW attitude. Russian women are very intellectual. A girl can be intellectual and feminine at the same time. I have huge experience with dating asian women, none of them struck me as being smart or intellectual. I felt like a dumb rock when I dated them.

And the Asian girls who are intellectual or smart tend to be westernized.
Eastern European or Russian women are the most pleasant, as long as they are not cock teasing or overly materialistic.
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Post: #16

I think this thread seems fit for the newbie area.
http://www.rooshv.com/the-7-stages-of-being-a-player

Lots of generalizations and assumptions bases on what looks like a lack of experience in the game.
Solution. Get out and game more.

Post: #17

(09-13-2015 11:06 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 11:02 AM)kral_belial Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:51 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 08:58 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  Frankly speaking western women aren't that bad. I would really want to score a slim western women on a regular basis, but its too hard, you gotta put in some decent effort unless you're very good looking. A western 7 has too many options, and the competition is fierce. Since this is a manosphere site, no one wants to settle for a 5 or 6. Asians 7's and 8's are much easier to score, but none of them can hold a proper intellectual conversation so after a while it gets boring. I'd definitely prefer a western women for a LTR.

I'm curious. What do you mean by that?

I DON'T want to bash the TurkishRepublican guy but it's often namely Western feminazis who say things like that "western women have personality unlike Russian women".

O yeah...those dumb Eastern European women who read Pushkin, Nietzsche and listen to Filip Kirkorov. What do they understand of culture, they don't even know who Wiz Khalifa is! (sarcasm).

I despise feminism and the SJW attitude. Russian women are very intellectual. A girl can be intellectual and feminine at the same time. I have huge experience with dating asian women, none of them struck me as being smart or intellectual. I felt like a dumb rock when I dated them.

Like I said: Sorry, I didn't want to troll, it's just my personal experience that whenever someone on the net says that non-western women lack personality and are boring it's always women from America/England who claim such things.

Now about Asian women specifically: Never dated nor banged one but I've talked to many. They just aren't my thing but the only thing I've noticed is that they're more emotional and such...but can't call them stupid.
The last Asian girl I talked to was a surgeon who spoke fluently English, German and her native Japanese. Solely based on that won't call her without personality.
Before her it was a Philipina with some sense of humour who also worked as a nurse I think or so...in Japan again. It never occurred to me that they're dumb compared to American women.

But MAYBE I need larger "sample size" to be sure. Like I said...I am not that much into Asian women.

Post: #18

(09-13-2015 11:14 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  I this that seems fit for the newbie area.
http://www.rooshv.com/the-7-stages-of-being-a-player

I'm not sure the OP is a player yet.
That story didn't make much since.
Go out and game some not my friend

Show me the sentence where I claim to be a "super playa"? How is this related to the topic here? Please stick to my topic or...well post in another thread about players (...or start one yourself).

Post: #19

Guys, as much as I feel you all on the unattractiveness of general western girl's attitudes and behaviours, a big part of this is our own damn fault. Our fellow men's behavior.

I remember one time looking at my gf's phone and she has accidentally left her location services on in her massaging app and in the span of a few hours, there were at least 10-20 dudes all saying hi to her with a few dick pics thrown in. And you know her picture wasn't sexy at all. It was maybe just her eye and nose as it was an artsy pic. Imagine what girls who actually show their face and especially body go through.

I also remember one time this girl who was dressed nice and I was about to say hello when all of a sudden, this group of guys who walked by her said "i love you" and tons of dudes were oggling her and you could see she was just trying to cross the street.

Lastly, that video of the chick in NY that got all the publicity. Personally I thought the chick was unattractive and fat but she got all that attention and lame ass game thrown at her. If you were a girl in this environment, you would act the same way.

It's just as much western guy's faults as it is the girls faults.

Post: #20

Yes the thirst is sneaking up everywhere. It is not just western guys. It is the majority of countries in the world now.

Post: #21

(09-13-2015 12:26 PM)fucksong Wrote:  Guys, as much as I feel you all on the unattractiveness of general western girl's attitudes and behaviours, a big part of this is our own damn fault. Our fellow men's behavior.

I remember one time looking at my gf's phone and she has accidentally left her location services on in her massaging app and in the span of a few hours, there were at least 10-20 dudes all saying hi to her with a few dick pics thrown in. And you know her picture wasn't sexy at all. It was maybe just her eye and nose as it was an artsy pic. Imagine what girls who actually show their face and especially body go through.

I also remember one time this girl who was dressed nice and I was about to say hello when all of a sudden, this group of guys who walked by her said "i love you" and tons of dudes were oggling her and you could see she was just trying to cross the street.

Lastly, that video of the chick in NY that got all the publicity. Personally I thought the chick was unattractive and fat but she got all that attention and lame ass game thrown at her. If you were a girl in this environment, you would act the same way.

It's just as much western guy's faults as it is the girls faults.

Here is the thing. Whenever someone complains of Western women the conclusion immediately is that "he must be a western guy who can't get laid...". Newsflash: I am 100% from Eastern Europe. I've never even visited an English speaking country, and I hope never to do so. I've been to 6 countries by now - not a single one of them was really "western".

My concern is more about 'westernization' and not about my interactions with women from the west...I'll explain:

Consider the book "50 shades of gray". It's written by...you guess: Western woman. That book was described as a "perfect book" namely by the Israeli girl I was talking about in my previous message. So what gives?? I'm trying to avoid WWs and yet they spread propaganda which wants to show that average woman should go for young handsome billionaires.

If women from EE/middle east continue their exposure to western media they will eventually start believing into this feminist propaganda and the result will be bad for everyone - it doesn't matter if you're living in America or Russia then.

Post: #22

(09-13-2015 12:44 PM)kral_belial Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 12:26 PM)fucksong Wrote:  Guys, as much as I feel you all on the unattractiveness of general western girl's attitudes and behaviours, a big part of this is our own damn fault. Our fellow men's behavior.

I remember one time looking at my gf's phone and she has accidentally left her location services on in her massaging app and in the span of a few hours, there were at least 10-20 dudes all saying hi to her with a few dick pics thrown in. And you know her picture wasn't sexy at all. It was maybe just her eye and nose as it was an artsy pic. Imagine what girls who actually show their face and especially body go through.

I also remember one time this girl who was dressed nice and I was about to say hello when all of a sudden, this group of guys who walked by her said "i love you" and tons of dudes were oggling her and you could see she was just trying to cross the street.

Lastly, that video of the chick in NY that got all the publicity. Personally I thought the chick was unattractive and fat but she got all that attention and lame ass game thrown at her. If you were a girl in this environment, you would act the same way.

It's just as much western guy's faults as it is the girls faults.

Here is the thing. Whenever someone complains of Western women the conclusion immediately is that "he must be a western guy who can't get laid...". Newsflash: I am 100% from Eastern Europe. I've never even visited an English speaking country, and I hope never to do so. I've been to 6 countries by now - not a single one of them was really "western".

My concern is more about 'westernization' and not about my interactions with women from the west...I'll explain:

Consider the book "50 shades of gray". It's written by...you guess: Western woman. That book was described as a "perfect book" namely by the Israeli girl I was talking about in my previous message. So what gives?? I'm trying to avoid WWs and yet they spread propaganda which wants to show that average woman should go for young handsome billionaires.

If women from EE/middle east continue their exposure to western media they will eventually start believing into this feminist propaganda and the result will be bad for everyone - it doesn't matter if you're living in America or Russia then.

Yes, Kral. Just having a nice pad in the best part of the city and taking some girl to a nice bar or restaurant is not enough to impress anymore. Game is required everywhere.

Post: #23

(09-13-2015 09:51 AM)Teutatis Wrote:  Anyway, unlike others I don't think the problem is the western woman herself but female nature, it's just that due to a confluence of many difference reasons, the west makes it easier than other places in the world for women to display their worst traits and let their best ones lay dormant.

I agree. It's mostly about the environment a woman lives in and also the environment she was raised in, that determines her attitude to men. Notice how quickly Czech and Polish women have adjusted to their new economic and legal environment.

I also think that "western" is too vague a group to be useful for discussion. The Anglosphere is quite homogenous, but the situation there isn't similar to that of Latin Europe. Italian women outside the largest few cities, for example, don't show a lot of entitlement and disdain for men. The problem in that country is mostly a demographic one - that ratio of women to men is too high. I've also met plenty of French women who I found pleasant enough.

Post: #24

(09-15-2015 07:15 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 09:51 AM)Teutatis Wrote:  Anyway, unlike others I don't think the problem is the western woman herself but female nature, it's just that due to a confluence of many difference reasons, the west makes it easier than other places in the world for women to display their worst traits and let their best ones lay dormant.

I agree. It's mostly about the environment a woman lives in and also the environment she was raised in, that determines her attitude to men. Notice how quickly Czech and Polish women have adjusted to their new economic and legal environment.

I also think that "western" is too vague a group to be useful for discussion. The Anglosphere is quite homogenous, but the situation there isn't similar to that of Latin Europe. Italian women outside the largest few cities, for example, don't show a lot of entitlement and disdain for men. The problem in that country is mostly a demographic one - that ratio of women to men is too high. I've also met plenty of French women who I found pleasant enough.

I agree that putting all "Western" women into one basket isn't too useful.

While women who were born in Anglosphere countries tend to show very similar traits, you will still find a lot of variety both in the Anglosphere and between the Anglosphere and other developed Western nations.

That being said, if you're stuck in the developed Western world, just use the women for what they are useful for - easy sex. This includes one night stands and short flings.

If you want a long-term meaningful relationship, or marriage, go to South America, Eastern Europe or Asia.