Where are the stats on Germany being 60% against the migrants from? It's very promising if true.

(09-11-2015 11:18 PM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  Where are the stats on Germany being 60% against the migrants from? It's very promising if true.

The figure is on a map somewhere in the middle of the page.
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50253-page-35.html

Shits heatin up!

Has any of the no-refuge countries called the bluff yet? Have they asked how the EU, or Germany, or UN (or whoever made the threat) will 'force' them to accept refugees?

(09-11-2015 05:15 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  "Conspiracy theory" has become a pejorative term, often used to shut down discussion. Ruling elite is a term used in the study of history, to refer to the elite of society who rule, or hold power(obviously).

The current ruling elite do not care if the immigrants are good or bad. Their motives for mass immigration are purely economic, it's been said by many of us here in this thread and in the other immigration thread.

It is not wild speculation to consider that the ruling elites of Europe(the un-elected bureaucrats, most of whom are ex-employees of Goldman Sachs) have an interest in the continuation of migration to Europe.

I started looking up a bunch of these names and I came across a document, something like "Society for European Progress" or something along those lines, and the advisory committee was a who's who of Goldman-Sachs advisors, ex-employees, and IMF associates (including Tony Blair and Peter Sutherland and the guys on that infographic). There was a section on immigration and how the general consensus is that sustained migration is desirable.

I accidentally deleted the window and can't find it, can anyone else pull it up?

In bringing up that document, I don't see how anyone can possibly see this as any sort of humanitarian crisis.

(09-11-2015 01:33 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  



The original video had 600,000+ views and was taken down due to copyright claims over the music. This is a reupload without copyrighted music. Who knows how long it'll stay up, though.

Looks like a Donald Trump political ad.

(09-11-2015 03:36 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  What's weird is Merkel's complete 180 on the issue. Didn't she say a few years back how multiculturalism was a failure? And now she's cucking for the migrants. My guess is she's getting marching orders from the higher-ups of the Euro/NATO elite. No way she actually believes any of the bullshit she's spewing at the moment.

It wasn't just her. Cameron and Sarkozy also said that multiculturalism (remember that it is an experiment that no-one voted for) had failed in 2011. This was the year when London experienced the vibrancy of 'youth' riots. We can assume that Eastern European leaders are even more against it.

Yet the experiment continues...

(09-12-2015 02:44 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 03:36 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  What's weird is Merkel's complete 180 on the issue. Didn't she say a few years back how multiculturalism was a failure? And now she's cucking for the migrants. My guess is she's getting marching orders from the higher-ups of the Euro/NATO elite. No way she actually believes any of the bullshit she's spewing at the moment.

It wasn't just her. Cameron and Sarkozy also said that multiculturalism (remember that it is an experiment that no-one voted for) had failed in 2011. This was the year when London experienced the vibrancy of 'youth' riots. We can assume that Eastern European leaders are even more against it.

Yet the experiment continues...

Merkel was just controlled opposition. A pawn all-along.

If EU decides to invade EU countries who refuse to comply with the immigration quotas, we could have WWIII in a matter of months. It really depends if Obama seizes the opportunity to invade Eastern Europe and suspend American elections "for the war effort," then you will see Civil War in America, and Mass War in Europe.

Let's see if the elites are desperate enough to try such a stunt.

This also shows the EU is a total sham. Once you join, you're in for life? Seriously?

(09-12-2015 02:52 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 02:44 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 03:36 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  What's weird is Merkel's complete 180 on the issue. Didn't she say a few years back how multiculturalism was a failure? And now she's cucking for the migrants. My guess is she's getting marching orders from the higher-ups of the Euro/NATO elite. No way she actually believes any of the bullshit she's spewing at the moment.

It wasn't just her. Cameron and Sarkozy also said that multiculturalism (remember that it is an experiment that no-one voted for) had failed in 2011. This was the year when London experienced the vibrancy of 'youth' riots. We can assume that Eastern European leaders are even more against it.

Yet the experiment continues...

Merkel was just controlled opposition. A pawn all-along.

If EU decides to invade EU countries who refuse to comply with the immigration quotas, we could have WWIII in a matter of months. It really depends if Obama seizes the opportunity to invade Eastern Europe and suspend American elections "for the war effort," then you will see Civil War in America, and Mass War in Europe.

Let's see if the elites are desperate enough to try such a stunt.

This also shows the EU is a total sham. Once you join, you're in for life? Seriously?

I don't think Obama has the authority to suspend American elections. We still had elections during world war 2 and world war 1 and Vietnam.

(09-12-2015 03:15 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 02:52 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 02:44 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 03:36 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  What's weird is Merkel's complete 180 on the issue. Didn't she say a few years back how multiculturalism was a failure? And now she's cucking for the migrants. My guess is she's getting marching orders from the higher-ups of the Euro/NATO elite. No way she actually believes any of the bullshit she's spewing at the moment.

It wasn't just her. Cameron and Sarkozy also said that multiculturalism (remember that it is an experiment that no-one voted for) had failed in 2011. This was the year when London experienced the vibrancy of 'youth' riots. We can assume that Eastern European leaders are even more against it.

Yet the experiment continues...

Merkel was just controlled opposition. A pawn all-along.

If EU decides to invade EU countries who refuse to comply with the immigration quotas, we could have WWIII in a matter of months. It really depends if Obama seizes the opportunity to invade Eastern Europe and suspend American elections "for the war effort," then you will see Civil War in America, and Mass War in Europe.

Let's see if the elites are desperate enough to try such a stunt.

This also shows the EU is a total sham. Once you join, you're in for life? Seriously?

I don't think Obama has the authority to suspend American elections. We still had elections during world war 2 and world war 1 and Vietnam.

(09-12-2015 02:52 AM)Samseau Wrote:  If EU decides to invade EU countries who refuse to comply with the immigration quotas...

Oh please. Everyone knows that you don't invade (European) countries anymore, you just fund color revolutions against "hardline governments" and "autocrats" like *cough* Victor Orban *cough*.

I can't believe i'm saying this, but what if a massive race war starts in eastern europe over this? What if some measure of this spills over into France and the UK?

My ethnic ties are to eastern europe and it depresses me greatly to see Germany and Poland being brown washed. I'm not racist, but i'm watching my cultural heritage get destroyed before my eyes.

The news about arson in eastern europe is only the start. Will I be enlisting in the future to defend my cultural heritage?

I feel like it's pre world war 1 right now.

(09-11-2015 05:15 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 01:24 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 10:19 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  I'm not sure if that makes sense to me.

If the goal is for ultimately for the corporate overloads to profit from a consumerist culture, how would it benefit them to bring in staunch anti-west peoples who, due to their strong religious beliefs will buffer them from assimilating into the original dominant culture?

A lot of the justified fears of these refugees not assimilating into the current culture contradict your theory. It can't be both. Either these people are going to assimilate or they won't. I believe that they won't so that means they won't be part of the consumerist culture.

None of this makes sense to me. These countries are opening a very dangerous pandora's box and I can't see how any of these politicians can think it's a good idea unless they're trying to have some sort of sort term solution to the population replacement problem.

Whilst I don't quite ascribe to the global conspiracy theory, I can see the argument that Teh Elitez are playing the long game. As the population becomes more Islamic, more violent, and more hating of other cultures, it breeds conflict. Arms companies like that. And conflict also provides an excuse to raise surveillance on everyone, since the Left will never accept racial or cultural profiling even when it's apparent a large segment of certain types of crime is being committed disproportionately by certain racial groups. It was not during the Cold War that domestic surveillance on every Western man, woman and child was heavily amped up, but during the war on terror.

The Elitez (the less smart among them, that is) may also be of the view that the "good" immigrants vastly outnumber the bad, and "good" immigrants are much, much less likely to question authoritarian regimes when they've come from such regimes themselves. (Consider the commentary here that the Middle East doesn't shut the fuck up and stop bombing others unless strongmen like Gaddafi or Saddam are in power there.)

"Good" immigrants coming from shitbox countries blasted apart by war also are less likely to form into the sort of bodies demanding wage rises at a macro level; quite the contrary, as education for children around the world heads for the toilet, such ethnic groups are more likely to ghettoise, manipulate the welfare system and pick up any minimum or low wage job around, thus keeping wages lower on sheer supply dwarfing demand.

Just some thoughts. Again, not sure if I buy these as such.

"Conspiracy theory" has become a pejorative term, often used to shut down discussion. Ruling elite is a term used in the study of history, to refer to the elite of society who rule, or hold power(obviously).

The current ruling elite do not care if the immigrants are good or bad. Their motives for mass immigration are purely economic, it's been said by many of us here in this thread and in the other immigration thread.

It is not wild speculation to consider that the ruling elites of Europe(the un-elected bureaucrats, most of whom are ex-employees of Goldman Sachs) have an interest in the continuation of migration to Europe.





Here's the interview with Peter Sutherland, where he claims that migration to Europe is a benefit(it is if you're at the top of the socio-economic pyramid):

Look behind the curtain of a geopolitical, humanitarian and continental crisis and you'll see the usurer pulling the democratic strings of compound interest.

In the age of the central bank and national debt, populations which are the collateral of usury must grow like the cancerous growth of compound interest.

Let's consider the actions of a previous European leader who ruled when the powers of usury ruled over him:

376AD: Emperor Valens invites Hun-pressed German migrants to cross the Danube into the bankrupt Roman Empire hoping to increase tax revenue.

Canada is also talking about taking several thousands migrants. The problem doesn't lie within the number of migrants, it lies in the choice of migrants that the country makes.

I tried, once, to bring in my Thai LTR for a 1-month stay in Canada. The embassy denied her a visa twice, under the generic "not enough ties" reason. We showed up at the land border anyway (from USA), and she got denied access with a 1-year ban from re-entering. Meanwhile the US border prevented me from re-entering in the US, thus separating us right at the border. I got escorted home by the RCMP patrol, the provincial police, and 2 trucks from the US border patrol followed her when she re-entered the US alone to make sure she would never be able to cross. Meanwhile, muslim immigrants come like bedbugs, make their own courts, own laws, and bring nothing that the country could use.

My Thai LTR has a Muslim friend in Thailand, and this girl got the tourist visa on the first try, even with no money. My GF who was buddhist wasn't able to get the visa.

(09-12-2015 03:38 AM)Rawmeo Wrote:  Canada is also talking about taking several thousands migrants. The problem doesn't lie within the number of migrants, it lies in the choice of migrants that the country makes.

I tried, once, to bring in my Thai LTR for a 1-month stay in Canada. The embassy denied her a visa twice, under the generic "not enough ties" reason. We showed up at the land border anyway (from USA), and she got denied access with a 1-year ban from re-entering. Meanwhile the US border prevented me from re-entering in the US, thus separating us right at the border. I got escorted home by the RCMP patrol, the provincial police, and 2 trucks from the US border patrol followed her when she re-entered the US alone to make sure she would never be able to cross. Meanwhile, muslim immigrants come like bedbugs, make their own courts, own laws, and bring nothing that the country could use.

My Thai LTR has a Muslim friend in Thailand, and this girl got the tourist visa on the first try, even with no money. My GF who was buddhist wasn't able to get the visa.

I just got caught up on this thread. Someone a few pages back mentioned a superstate. I hadn't really heard about that before, I don't follow EU politics that much.

It seems likely though. I think there are a lot of parallels between the current EU situation and the USA right before the Civil War. Obviously this isn't about slavery but at the time each state considered itself a separate territory with it's own history. Obvious the EU countries have a much deeper cultural heritage than the states did, but when the states seceded from the union the rallying cry was to keep the union together even if it meant killing large numbers.

What happens when half of the EU countries decide to leave the EU? We might find ourselves witnessing, or living through for my EU brothers, a massive civil war.

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(09-12-2015 04:26 AM)Troll King Wrote:  What happens when half of the EU countries decide to leave the EU? We might find ourselves witnessing, or living through for my EU brothers, a massive civil war.

They aren't allowed to leave the EU.

Look what happened in Greece this year. There was a majority vote by the people to leave the Euro currency, but their politicians buckled under pressure from Germany and EU bureaucrats.

In the UK, prior to the election, there was a concerted effort by the media to portray UKIP(anti-EU party) as racist knuckle-draggers. State owned broadcaster Channel 4 even made a fictional drama about how it would be under UKIP rule. It was blatant propaganda.

If one nation was to leave the Euro currency, it would destroy the Euro. Confidence is everything in the financial markets, and Greece leaving the Euro would have caused a massive slump in the value of the Euro. So the EU rulers had to try everything in their power to maintain the fragile status quo.

I really hoped Greece would carry through with the momentum generated by their referendum, because it would have possibly caused a completed collapse of the EU power hold, and allowed European nations to be individual nations again, instead of serfs to financiers and bankers and un-elected bureaucrats.

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(09-12-2015 05:17 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  But the EU will collapse. They have gone completely crazy. They are like a desperate beta orbiter making an ultimatum to a girl. There's no way the union will stay together now and if one country leaves, it's over.

WW3, here we come.

I believe it will collapse too, it's running on borrowed time. Their currency is being propped up by bankers and false confidence. Their politics are becoming less relevant to the average European(who actually identifies as French, German, Italian, etc, rather than "European").

They're trying to cram in more immigrants, because they know that immigrants won't care for national and social homogeneity. Immigrants won't care if a European nation loses its identity.

Plenty of doubts over here about how does leaving the EU process.

One interprets the potentially unlimited duration of the EU as perpetual, but it is not perpetual and could rather be more adequately defined as indefinite, which is not the same as perpetual. The liquidation of the Union and other european communities is legally possible taking into account the article 48 of the TEU, in which a revision would change the terms and competences of the EU, such possibility is however not likely.

Moreover, opting out clauses are also available to some member states and the Luxembourg accords have also demonstrated this. I could ramble on my Law musings but long story short : The transfer of certain areas of sovereignty and and membership to the EU is not perpetual nor irreversible. Even the Lisbon treaty has some sort of exit clause around. While leaving the EU could be perfectly legal, it would quite likely not be practical at all and other member states would try to make it more difficult. Ideally the EU wouldn't need liquidation, but rather reform... Which I find somewhat unlikely, the tendency is to get worse at the moment.

More Twilight Zone:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...95082.html

#refugeeswelcome rally in London by the Green Party.

For those outside the UK, north Surrey is very well off, upper middle class with a large commuter population who work in London's global financial firms.

In other news, meanwhile Elton John is preaching about gay rights in front of the most powerful people in Ukraine, I just found out I'll soon have Syrian refugees almost as neighbours.

Sounds bizarre when you think about it.
They will live in a nice old mansion built in 1722 for the priest in town. Now it's pretty rundown at current state. We call these big mansions to Priest Mansions. Many different priests have lived there during almost 300years. 5 years ago the current priest built himself a brand new mansion so it has been empty since then.

However this house was built a long time ago with church taxes and is still funded by it.
Pretty ironic, the church is inviting a bunch of Muslims to live in the second holiest building after the church.

Anyways I'm thinking about engaging in this to be sure that the refugees they are bringing to my hood are families with children. I can't accept the idea of bringing in 20 young men. It's possible to integrate a young familly to a small society but 20 young men is impossible and that is comparable to be asking for a ghetto,gang activity,resistment and crime.

Also worth to mention is that during this week, it's happened twice to me that already integrated immigrants have expressed their concerns and worries about this situation.

First the Vietnamese and now this morning a few Ukrainans I train martial arts together with.
"If it continues like this, Whites and Christians will be a minority in the near future

Isn't it strange that I can have more sobering talks about refugees here with old immigrants than I can with most locals?

I still don't get why any country wants to allow this many illegal immigrants. They are invading the country with a charade of peace.

Do the officals ever think, If these people can't possibly be peaceful in their shit hole of a country that constantly is war torn how do you think that would translate to my country.

Well it means they are going to do the same in your country. They are letting them do whatever a country that is occupying another country during a war. Let them change the values, create policies, create neighborhoods, fuck their women, and commit crimes.

The only difference is the host countries can actually do something about it and kick these immigrants out. Instead they would rather have the low class people of these countries stay and lower the standard of living for all the actual citizens.