Post: #26

As far as I'm concerned, what happened with this clerk being jailed is tantamount to fascism or communism.

It's happening before our eyes but many are not realizing it. Many Americans ( read most and some on the forum ) are akin to the proverbial frog who was initially put into a pot of cold water. The heat is slowly turned up and the frog, over time, is boiled to death, without realizing what is happening.

It's their strategy of incrementalism in small doses.

This is fascism/ socialism / marxism and that is happening slowly before our eyes.

What did Stalin do with people who disagreed with his radical ideologies? He jailed them or worse. Same with Pol Pot or Mao.

Obama is the president of executive orders and uses the weapon of prison against those who don't agree with his radical leftist/ socialist / marxist view of this country. He jails them.

This clerk had the courage to stand up to the freak show that the US is becoming. She stood against something that, just a few years back, would have been considered almost incomprehensible. She stood against something that our ancestors and forefathers would have considered a no-brainer to stand up against.

Today, it's all but accepted and in many quarters, celebrated.

For doing this, she was steamrolled. Collateral damage in Obama's quest to "fundamentally change America"

In this he's already succeeded. He has fundamentally changed the country for the worse. Race relations are worse and worsening. Obama's/ Soros' armies are razing cities in Ferguson and other American cities. These armies are his version of the "workers" Marx wrote about in his manifesto. The workers who would rise up against the upper classes and throw off their chains of oppression and take control of the country. Only, Obama's 'workers' aren't workers at all. Their unemployed, and often paid, rioters and community agitators. A dangerous lot.

Gayness prevails in the courts and the laws of the land and those who stand up to this madness are not dismissed for their position, they're not fined or censured. They are jailed.

No fine. Jail.

These fascists don't cut any slack for those who go against their perverted view of where they want to take this country.

How can I use the terms fascist, socialist and communist in the same description you ask? Because, when any of these ideologies go to their common denominator which is Dictatorship, they are one in the same; a state ruled by the elite with the under classes (proles for 1984 buffs) falling in line or else.

Obviously, we're nowhere near the breadth that it was in the former Soviet Union, Mao's China or Orwell's vision, but it is beginning. It's happening. It is happening before our very eyes.

She was jailed for standing up for, what just 15 years ago, would have been considered a no brainer.

It's the marxist's strategy; to take over American through slow, steady incrementalism. Sometimes so slow and steady that the public doesn't realize the way the country is being fundamentally changed into something aberrant and irreversible.

First, one clerk gets jailed for refusing to grant a marriage license to a lesbian couple. Who knows what other anti American laws the administration will pass going forward?

Then, what happens to those who refuse to get in line with them? The precedent has already been set with this clerk. When subsequent Americans are jailed for refusing to step in line with other insane legislation that may be down the line, it won't seem so crazy to most Americans because, "hey remember that upstart clerk who was jailed for disobeying the 'law of the land'? "

Give Obama and his ilk an inch, they will not only take a mile, they will take it all if allowed.

Post: #27

It's attention whoring not to mention self riteousnes. She has no moral position on the matter having multiple divorces and kids out of wedlock.

Post: #28

(09-03-2015 02:14 PM)Cronus Wrote:  There is one thing I do know though, and that is that this will never end. They will never be satisfied.

Exactly. It's not about "gay rights". Hell, it's not even about forcing everyone to embrace homosexuality. It's part of bigger plan to stomp out religion, conservatism, destroy the traditional family. As long as there are conservative/religious/traditional families in the world, these people are going to be unhappy. Personally, I also think there's a certain insecurity/inferiority psychological complex going on with many LGBTQ people. They know deep down that they're messed up, their hate is just the way their envy of straight/traditional people and culture manifests itself. They need to constantly ram it in our faces to make themselves feel better about themselves.

Post: #29

(09-03-2015 05:28 PM)robreke Wrote:  It's happening before our eyes but many are not realizing it. Many Americans ( read most and some on the forum ) are akin to the proverbial frog who was initially put into a pot of cold water.

This is fascism/ socialism / marxism and that is happening slowly before our eyes.

This is the slippery slope people are laughed at for believing. Won't bake a cake? Lose your business. Won't hold a wedding? Lose your church. Won't license a marriage? Go to jail.

The end game is literally the criminalization of Christianity.

Post: #30

(09-03-2015 01:34 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  "The law is the law" is a quaint notion that doesn't exist in America anymore in the first place. We have mayors and governors actively defying federal immigration law and getting away with it because the media agrees with their position. Same with federal drug laws.

I applaud her doing this but she's going to get steamrolled.

Anal marriage is a complete joke and a disgrace.

Nailed it like a boss.

Hillary Clinton broke her oath hundreds of thousands of times over a four year period six years ago, and they still haven't gotten around to actually going through the entire server.

This woman denies to marriage licenses over a two week period, and she is in jail.

This country is fucked.

Post: #31

It's absolutely ridiculous that she is in jail over this. I don't support her taking this stance as a public official but the reaction is disproportionate, and I don't care if it's "easy" or not to handle it another way.

Post: #32

She is denying people's rights by not issuing them marriage licenses in accordnce with the law. Her religious views are immaterial.

Look at it from the other side; If she was allowed to do this, then the citizens of other counties could elect County Clerks to nullify the law of the land.

That would not end well.

Post: #33

I find her marriage/personal history fascinating.

While married to her first husband, she became pregnant by the man who would one day be her 3rd husband. She delivered #3's kids(twins) while married to #2, who adopted the kids. She then dumps #2 and marries #3, who she eventually also leaves for #4 (current).

Post: #34

(09-03-2015 07:18 PM)Mikan Wrote:  I find her marriage/personal history fascinating.

While married to her first husband, she became pregnant by the man who would one day be her 3rd husband. She delivered #3's kids(twins) while married to #2, who adopted the kids. She then dumps #2 and marries #3, who she eventually also leaves for #4 (current).

She loves dick!

Post: #35

(09-03-2015 07:17 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  She is denying people's rights by not issuing them marriage licenses in accordnce with the law. Her religious views are immaterial.

Look at it from the other side; If she was allowed to do this, then the citizens of other counties could elect County Clerks to nullify the law of the land.

That would not end well.

Yeah, but jail !?

Post: #36

(09-03-2015 07:53 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 07:17 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  She is denying people's rights by not issuing them marriage licenses in accordnce with the law. Her religious views are immaterial.

Look at it from the other side; If she was allowed to do this, then the citizens of other counties could elect County Clerks to nullify the law of the land.

That would not end well.

Yeah, but jail !?

Agree.

Hotwheels, for a local example...no one tried to jail Scott Walker and...whats the name of the senate leader?...for allegedly breaking senate procedural law...they went ahead and tried to recall them. Though the Madison liberals would have loved it, it wasn't even an option.

Post: #37

If you break the rules at work you get fired. She didn't commit any criminal offenses (no violation of life or property) yet goes to jail instead of being fired?

The beginning of the fagstapo.

Post: #38

(09-03-2015 05:37 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:14 PM)Cronus Wrote:  There is one thing I do know though, and that is that this will never end. They will never be satisfied.

Exactly. It's not about "gay rights". Hell, it's not even about forcing everyone to embrace homosexuality. It's part of bigger plan to stomp out religion, conservatism, destroy the traditional family. As long as there are conservative/religious/traditional families in the world, these people are going to be unhappy. Personally, I also think there's a certain insecurity/inferiority psychological complex going on with many LGBTQ people. They know deep down that they're messed up, their hate is just the way their envy of straight/traditional people and culture manifests itself. They need to constantly ram it in our faces to make themselves feel better about themselves.

The same cultural conservatism compels men to avoid sex (and even masturbation) before marriage and discourages heterosexual men from choosing alternative sexual strategies (i.e. having a harem as opposed to putting a ring on special snowflake). If we lived under such culturally conservative standards, I'd either be married to or divorced from my HS girlfriend, and I'm happy to neither.

People of all sexual orientations should be granted equal treatment under the law, and due to a unfortunate intertwining of church and state, marriage falls under this category.

In any case, its a great time to be a divorce lawyer

Post: #39

Are her 15 minutes finally up? She's just milking this for publicity now.

Post: #40

She's a dumb bitch. Can we stop talking about her now

Post: #41

(09-03-2015 08:05 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 07:53 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 07:17 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  She is denying people's rights by not issuing them marriage licenses in accordnce with the law. Her religious views are immaterial.

Look at it from the other side; If she was allowed to do this, then the citizens of other counties could elect County Clerks to nullify the law of the land.

That would not end well.

Yeah, but jail !?

Agree.

Hotwheels, for a local example...no one tried to jail Scott Walker and...whats the name of the senate leader?...for allegedly breaking senate procedural law...they went ahead and tried to recall them. Though the Madison liberals would have loved it, it wasn't even an option.

The Dems in both houses ran and hid out of state to avoid being arrested for refusing to show up to "work" IIRC. (In WI a few years ago)

What other option is there other than jail for this broad? She refused to follow a judicial order.

I like her gumption, but she is wrong.

Post: #42

She isn't intimidated by the state and is probably the only man left in America. It's nice to see that there is some push back no matter how little in a country of cuckservatives.

Post: #43

(09-03-2015 04:40 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:49 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Obama refuses to enforce a bunch of laws he doesn't agree with, yet it's this woman going to jail.

I agree, my mind is blown that this woman is locked up in jail with an INDEFINITE sentence. This is political prisoner stuff right there.

If you murder someone, do you have to stay in jail until you apologize to the family? No, you get a set term in jail and then you are done. This woman's only way out of prison is if she recants her religious beliefs. If thats not kicking the constitution in the balls right there, I don't know what is.

edit: It really does seem like an open ended sentence...a statement from one of her lawyers

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Today, for the first time in history, an American citizen has been incarcerated for having the belief of conscience that marriage is the union of one man and one woman, and she’s been ordered to stay there until she’s willing to change her mind, until she’s willing to change her conscience about what that belief is,” he said. “This is unprecedented in American law

EXACTLY. Thank you. To me, that's all this is about. This isn't about homosexuality or gay marriage. Homosexuality/gay marriage = X, whereas X is something the government has decreed. If you disobey X, you will be locked up until you recant.

Contempt is unconstitutional. http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/33422

P.S. http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35243

Edit: For those who don't click on my links, I'll mention that this is not unprecedented. Contempt is just another way to say "fuck you, you will stay in jail until you bow".

Post: #44

I hope she gets reelected in jail.

Post: #45

(09-03-2015 09:35 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 08:05 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 07:53 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 07:17 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  She is denying people's rights by not issuing them marriage licenses in accordnce with the law. Her religious views are immaterial.

Look at it from the other side; If she was allowed to do this, then the citizens of other counties could elect County Clerks to nullify the law of the land.

That would not end well.

Yeah, but jail !?

Agree.

Hotwheels, for a local example...no one tried to jail Scott Walker and...whats the name of the senate leader?...for allegedly breaking senate procedural law...they went ahead and tried to recall them. Though the Madison liberals would have loved it, it wasn't even an option.

The Dems in both houses ran and hid out of state to avoid being arrested for refusing to show up to "work" IIRC. (In WI a few years ago)

What other option is there other than jail for this broad? She refused to follow a judicial order.

I like her gumption, but she is wrong.

Maybe there were limited options except jail given her position, but I doubt it.

Other options would include fines or expulsion from office ( impeachment if that's what it's called for a clerk )

Her incarceration was a big "F" you to traditional conservative values, to what has always been considered normal and decent, and to any and all of Obama's adversaries or would be adversaries. It was a shot over the bow:

"Don't like gay marriage or agree with it? F-You, you're going to jail"

"Your religious beliefs prevent you from issuing a license to lesbians. F-You...jail."

"you want to hold on to the way America used to be? Where marriage was only between a man and a woman? You aren't on board with us for this whole 'fundamentally change American' thing? F-You. It's incarceration time."

"Oh...so, mrs. state clerk official...you have the courage to stand up to something you think is perverted or wrong or anti American ? Get with the times you puritan red neck and all you other red state, gun loving, bible thumping, traditionalists. Gay marriage is here to stay and not only stay but flourish.....we WILL throw you in jail unless you step in line"

The judge furthermore said the woman 'holds the key' to her cell. See what this Obamite is doing?

He's saying "step in line, pledge your allegiance to Big Brother, agree that 2+2 = 5 and we will let you out of prison. Just confess your wrong mindedness and we will consider forgiveness."

The jailing was a statement and, in a sense, a warning from an anti American judge which percolated from an anti American ruling and the administration that supports it to traditionally minded Americans who are trying to keep their country from going to hell in a hand basket.

The liberal courts with the blessing of the administration is trying to nip it in the bud now with the shocking, unprecedented decision to jail this woman, so any would be opponents in the future will step in line. They've got more laws in the works to continue to turn America into more of a freak show and this is a pre-emptive action to scare any future opponents of that.

Post: #46

Arrest her. Also, let's arrest the mayor of San Francisco for obstructing federal immigration law.

Post: #47

(09-03-2015 10:55 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Arrest her. Also, let's arrest the mayor of San Francisco for obstructing federal immigration law.

Exactly, there's no difference between this and a sanctuary city.

Post: #48

(09-03-2015 08:58 PM)ordinaryleastsquared Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 05:37 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:14 PM)Cronus Wrote:  There is one thing I do know though, and that is that this will never end. They will never be satisfied.

Exactly. It's not about "gay rights". Hell, it's not even about forcing everyone to embrace homosexuality. It's part of bigger plan to stomp out religion, conservatism, destroy the traditional family. As long as there are conservative/religious/traditional families in the world, these people are going to be unhappy. Personally, I also think there's a certain insecurity/inferiority psychological complex going on with many LGBTQ people. They know deep down that they're messed up, their hate is just the way their envy of straight/traditional people and culture manifests itself. They need to constantly ram it in our faces to make themselves feel better about themselves.

People of all sexual orientations should be granted equal treatment under the law, and due to a unfortunate intertwining of church and state, marriage falls under this category.

Then how come in the US with it's "unfortunate intertwining of church and state" has legalized gay marriage while no East Asian country has?

Post: #49

(09-03-2015 02:26 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  At best she failed to do her job, at worst she abused her position of authority to deny people their rights. Punishment fits the crime.

(09-03-2015 08:58 PM)ordinaryleastsquared Wrote:  People of all sexual orientations should be granted equal treatment under the law, and due to a unfortunate intertwining of church and state, marriage falls under this category.

Marriage is social recognition. Freedom of association is a right. These are separate things.

I'll have to repeat this again like a broken record, since it seems to bounce off the plate iron around some people's heads. Countries and states which provided all the rights that men and women have under marriage, to gays in the form of 'civil union', did not stop gay marriage campaigners as a result. They didn't even pause, and for a very obvious reason. Gay marriage is an ideological and social imposition; it is a forcible demand that people recognize a gay relationship as being equal to a marriage.

Social recognition of your relationship is NOT a right.

Post: #50

Rosa Parks was also bad and broke the "law."