Post: #26

Looks most important: U.S.
Girls will approach the most: Liberia

Post: #27

Girls also approach in Finland, and they are rather easy lays

Post: #28

Some great points here.

Never ceases to amaze me how many 'game guys' will slog for eight hours a day doing approaches but won't get their hair cut or ditch the baggy Guns N' Roses t-shirt.

Would save so much time. Besides, a huge part of male self-improvement is getting your appearance and confidence sorted. A high-value dude shouldn't need to run around chasing ALL the time.

You wanna be strong enough in your looks that girls are eye-fucking you and their gay friends are calling over to you because the girl is too shy and giggly.

The vast majority of girls won't outwardly approach you, BUT if you look good to them, they will absolutely give you signals. From there, it's the man's job to seal the deal.

When I walk around this city, I see many dudes with piss-poor quality because they're dressed like a backpacker and haven't adapted to a 'clean' style that the hot girls like here. These are guys who look about the same as me face/body-wise. They probably also put a lot more work into approaching that I can be bothered to.

Looks are important in all four of the countries I've lived in. Getting that in check (whether it be by working out or emulating One Direction) is the easiest way of getting nice pussy.

Going somewhere where your looks are wanted/exotic too is also a good hack.

Though in my experience, In my home country (Britain) you'll get a lot of signals in cities outside of London if you're walking around suited up.

I used to go to Basingstoke mall on my lunch break when I worked there, and some of the cashiers can be pretty bloody flirty!

Post: #29

Used to get approached often in high-end London clubs and bars by decent looking girls. Got some make-outs, ons and finger banging on dance floor. In Amsterdam clubs mostly by average looking ones so would politely decline to engage in conversation. Now live in Warsaw Poland. Have the lowest bf% ever and never get approached . I do not even get eye contact. My only lays come from Tinder. So Warsaw is the worst place for me apart from online game

Post: #30

This thread actually reminds me of a funny story. I was at a friend's place and due to the strange attraction animals have towards me his kitten decided my shoulder was the perfect place to perch itself(thankfully the claws were clipped). We decide to leave his place and head in town and go our separate ways to meet up later.

So here I am walking around the city with the usual jacket and tie with a kitten perched on my shoulder. I don't think I've ever been approached so much. I remember getting two bangs in the long run from girls I approached/approached me that day. It was a good day.

Perhaps Zebra game does work.

Post: #31

Most Approaches By Women:
New York & Las Vegas (in the US)
London & Amsterdam (in Europe)

Looks Count The Most:
Everywhere outside of South East Asia

(08-29-2015 07:32 PM)godzilla Wrote:  For approches: philly, chicago or dublin.

Post: #32

with darker features over there I got approched all the time by many cute expats living there, these weren't local women

Post: #33

Whoever says that there is a western country where women approach guys is bullshitting. Unless one is model good looking (which I definitely am not) it just won't happen and strong game will always be required.

I've been to near 60 countries and have had to do almost all first approaches myself. Occasionally a drunk girl will approach me on the dance floor or at the bar but I don't count those examples as it may happen anywhere. Now, in some countries like Russia I got more IOI's than USA but I believe that is strictly due to speaking English and accented Russian in crowded places. Also, everywhere in USA looks matter a lot, especially since no matter what large city one go's out in the ratio will always be a sausage-fest.

Post: #34

(08-30-2015 01:05 PM)godzilla Wrote:  with darker features over there I got approched all the time by many cute expats living there, these weren't local women

Okay, that makes much more sense.

Post: #35

(08-30-2015 01:14 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Whoever says that there is a western country where women approach guys is bullshitting. Unless one is model good looking (which I definitely am not) it just won't happen and strong game will always be required.

I've been to near 60 countries and have had to do almost all first approaches myself. Occasionally a drunk girl will approach me on the dance floor or at the bar but I don't count those examples as it may happen anywhere. Now, in some countries like Russia I got more IOI's than USA but I believe that is strictly due to speaking English and accented Russian in crowded places. Also, everywhere in USA looks matter a lot, especially since no matter what large city one go's out in the ratio will always be a sausage-fest.

I am also skeptical...maybe it applies only to some parts of california? Drunk girls at parties etc?

Otherwise if western women were so friendly, cool and approaching guys this forum won't exist.

Post: #36

(08-30-2015 01:14 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Whoever says that there is a western country where women approach guys is bullshitting. Unless one is model good looking (which I definitely am not) it just won't happen and strong game will always be required.

I've been to near 60 countries and have had to do almost all first approaches myself. Occasionally a drunk girl will approach me on the dance floor or at the bar but I don't count those examples as it may happen anywhere. Now, in some countries like Russia I got more IOI's than USA but I believe that is strictly due to speaking English and accented Russian in crowded places. Also, everywhere in USA looks matter a lot, especially since no matter what large city one go's out in the ratio will always be a sausage-fest.

I don't get approached in Thailand. I do get approached in California.

Last night a girl stopped me as I was leaving and said "Hey, I wanted to tell you that you look really great. I think we've met before a few years ago and you look even better now. You look really great."

It's not bullshit, I get approached in western countries. I also dress well (leather boots, selvedge denim, navy v/crew neck) and have a body that girls like to touch.

Game can be tough for some guys. Not all of us will have the same experiences. So for you to say it's bullshit just means you're not having the same experience that some of us are, and you need to work harder in the gym and on your appearance.

Just like when I was 18/19 and had a friend a couple years older than me who claimed to fuck 100 girls. I told him he was full of shit and there was no way he'd fucked that many girls, because I'd only fucked about 8-10. Turns out he was probably telling the truth, and I couldn't fathom it because I wasn't on his level yet. I still had work to do before I could understand how what he was saying was possible.

Post: #37

It's definitely not bullshit. Especially when you are suited up, it's quite common to get approached at least once a night.

Western girls are more open about speaking with strangers than girls in other cultures, so if they think a guy is cute they will be more likely to approach him. Plus, since these girls are less feminized they feel more comfortable doing something that is traditionally associated with the masculine. But just because a girl approaches you does not mean she will bang you. Your midgame and closing still have to be just as tight, these aspects do not become any easier just because the girl approached you.

I used to have a wing who always bragged about getting approached multiple times a night but it actually hurt his game because he never developed the aggression to seal the deal. Even when girls would approach him he would only get makeouts and never take them home because he relied on his looks completely and never learned how to close properly. He cared more about the ego boost of getting approached than actually getting laid. In order to get laid, you have to lose your ego and be able to pursue girls without fear of rejection, even AFTER the approach (when it comes time to go for the pull). So in this sense I think relying on getting approached is not a good thing.

Although it is a sign that your fashion, looks and vibe are on point, getting approached isn't worth much more than a nice ego boost if you ask me.

Post: #38

(08-30-2015 01:14 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Whoever says that there is a western country where women approach guys is bullshitting. Unless one is model good looking (which I definitely am not) it just won't happen and strong game will always be required.

I've been to near 60 countries and have had to do almost all first approaches myself. Occasionally a drunk girl will approach me on the dance floor or at the bar but I don't count those examples as it may happen anywhere. Now, in some countries like Russia I got more IOI's than USA but I believe that is strictly due to speaking English and accented Russian in crowded places. Also, everywhere in USA looks matter a lot, especially since no matter what large city one go's out in the ratio will always be a sausage-fest.

I pity you man.....I really do. You haven't lived until a random atleast half decent girl comes up to you and tells you that you're attractive. It definitely does happen man. Not often mind you, but all the same. I can definitely say the number is under 12 or 13.

Then again you've probably avoided the displeasure of a beached whale grabbing your ass as well.

We aren't living in an age of "chivalry" anymore. I've seen more than my fair share of girls that happen to be with my crowd flip out over a guy in the club.

Post: #39

(08-30-2015 02:07 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 01:14 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Whoever says that there is a western country where women approach guys is bullshitting. Unless one is model good looking (which I definitely am not) it just won't happen and strong game will always be required.

I've been to near 60 countries and have had to do almost all first approaches myself. Occasionally a drunk girl will approach me on the dance floor or at the bar but I don't count those examples as it may happen anywhere. Now, in some countries like Russia I got more IOI's than USA but I believe that is strictly due to speaking English and accented Russian in crowded places. Also, everywhere in USA looks matter a lot, especially since no matter what large city one go's out in the ratio will always be a sausage-fest.

I don't get approached in Thailand. I do get approached in California.

Last night a girl stopped me as I was leaving and said "Hey, I wanted to tell you that you look really great. I think we've met before a few years ago and you look even better now. You look really great."

It's not bullshit, I get approached in western countries. I also dress well (leather boots, selvedge denim, navy v/crew neck) and have a body that girls like to touch.

Game can be tough for some guys. Not all of us will have the same experiences. So for you to say it's bullshit just means you're not having the same experience that some of us are, and you need to work harder in the gym and on your appearance.

Just like when I was 18/19 and had a friend a couple years older than me who claimed to fuck 100 girls. I told him he was full of shit and there was no way he'd fucked that many girls, because I'd only fucked about 8-10. Turns out he was probably telling the truth, and I couldn't fathom it because I wasn't on his level yet. I still had work to do before I could understand how what he was saying was possible.

For some reason I feel like a lot of guys on these forums have good looks and thus they take girls approaching them for granted. I am already going to the gym 5x a week and any more athletics and it will feel like a full time job. Girls can't see my 6-pack if I have a dress shirt on, all they see is a slim guy. So, the issue is that some of us (including myself) can't change certain things about our appearance. For example, I look older than my age which hurts me in many clubs/bars where the crowd is younger. Also, I have plenty of disposable income to dress well and do but with my mediocre facials aesthetics if I just stood like a wall-flower at a bar or watched ESPN with a drink I would never get any action. Therefore, for those of us with mediocre looks cold approaching is a must.

Post: #40

(08-30-2015 06:50 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 02:07 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 01:14 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Whoever says that there is a western country where women approach guys is bullshitting. Unless one is model good looking (which I definitely am not) it just won't happen and strong game will always be required.

I've been to near 60 countries and have had to do almost all first approaches myself. Occasionally a drunk girl will approach me on the dance floor or at the bar but I don't count those examples as it may happen anywhere. Now, in some countries like Russia I got more IOI's than USA but I believe that is strictly due to speaking English and accented Russian in crowded places. Also, everywhere in USA looks matter a lot, especially since no matter what large city one go's out in the ratio will always be a sausage-fest.

I don't get approached in Thailand. I do get approached in California.

Last night a girl stopped me as I was leaving and said "Hey, I wanted to tell you that you look really great. I think we've met before a few years ago and you look even better now. You look really great."

It's not bullshit, I get approached in western countries. I also dress well (leather boots, selvedge denim, navy v/crew neck) and have a body that girls like to touch.

Game can be tough for some guys. Not all of us will have the same experiences. So for you to say it's bullshit just means you're not having the same experience that some of us are, and you need to work harder in the gym and on your appearance.

Just like when I was 18/19 and had a friend a couple years older than me who claimed to fuck 100 girls. I told him he was full of shit and there was no way he'd fucked that many girls, because I'd only fucked about 8-10. Turns out he was probably telling the truth, and I couldn't fathom it because I wasn't on his level yet. I still had work to do before I could understand how what he was saying was possible.

For some reason I feel like a lot of guys on these forums have good looks and thus they take girls approaching them for granted. I am already going to the gym 5x a week and any more athletics and it will feel like a full time job. Girls can't see my 6-pack if I have a dress shirt on, all they see is a slim guy. So, the issue is that some of us (including myself) can't change certain things about our appearance. For example, I look older than my age which hurts me in many clubs/bars where the crowd is younger. Also, I have plenty of disposable income to dress well and do but with my mediocre facials aesthetics if I just stood like a wall-flower at a bar or watched ESPN with a drink I would never get any action. Therefore, for those of us with mediocre looks cold approaching is a must.

Have you considered growing facial hair? That might hide a lot of unaesthetic features, and has definitely increased responses from the kind of women I want to attract. Has definitely helped my rather pointed jawline and pointy nose.

Post: #41

(08-30-2015 06:50 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 02:07 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 01:14 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Whoever says that there is a western country where women approach guys is bullshitting. Unless one is model good looking (which I definitely am not) it just won't happen and strong game will always be required.

I've been to near 60 countries and have had to do almost all first approaches myself. Occasionally a drunk girl will approach me on the dance floor or at the bar but I don't count those examples as it may happen anywhere. Now, in some countries like Russia I got more IOI's than USA but I believe that is strictly due to speaking English and accented Russian in crowded places. Also, everywhere in USA looks matter a lot, especially since no matter what large city one go's out in the ratio will always be a sausage-fest.

I don't get approached in Thailand. I do get approached in California.

Last night a girl stopped me as I was leaving and said "Hey, I wanted to tell you that you look really great. I think we've met before a few years ago and you look even better now. You look really great."

It's not bullshit, I get approached in western countries. I also dress well (leather boots, selvedge denim, navy v/crew neck) and have a body that girls like to touch.

Game can be tough for some guys. Not all of us will have the same experiences. So for you to say it's bullshit just means you're not having the same experience that some of us are, and you need to work harder in the gym and on your appearance.

Just like when I was 18/19 and had a friend a couple years older than me who claimed to fuck 100 girls. I told him he was full of shit and there was no way he'd fucked that many girls, because I'd only fucked about 8-10. Turns out he was probably telling the truth, and I couldn't fathom it because I wasn't on his level yet. I still had work to do before I could understand how what he was saying was possible.

For some reason I feel like a lot of guys on these forums have good looks and thus they take girls approaching them for granted. I am already going to the gym 5x a week and any more athletics and it will feel like a full time job. Girls can't see my 6-pack if I have a dress shirt on, all they see is a slim guy. So, the issue is that some of us (including myself) can't change certain things about our appearance. For example, I look older than my age which hurts me in many clubs/bars where the crowd is younger. Also, I have plenty of disposable income to dress well and do but with my mediocre facials aesthetics if I just stood like a wall-flower at a bar or watched ESPN with a drink I would never get any action. Therefore, for those of us with mediocre looks cold approaching is a must.

Yeah that's bullshit. Your style probably sucks. Walk around like this guy (if you actually lift) and girls will approach you

https://instagram.com/p/6WDRsovcPP/?take...evecook_32

Post: #42

(08-30-2015 07:15 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 06:50 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 02:07 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 01:14 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Whoever says that there is a western country where women approach guys is bullshitting. Unless one is model good looking (which I definitely am not) it just won't happen and strong game will always be required.

I've been to near 60 countries and have had to do almost all first approaches myself. Occasionally a drunk girl will approach me on the dance floor or at the bar but I don't count those examples as it may happen anywhere. Now, in some countries like Russia I got more IOI's than USA but I believe that is strictly due to speaking English and accented Russian in crowded places. Also, everywhere in USA looks matter a lot, especially since no matter what large city one go's out in the ratio will always be a sausage-fest.

I don't get approached in Thailand. I do get approached in California.

Last night a girl stopped me as I was leaving and said "Hey, I wanted to tell you that you look really great. I think we've met before a few years ago and you look even better now. You look really great."

It's not bullshit, I get approached in western countries. I also dress well (leather boots, selvedge denim, navy v/crew neck) and have a body that girls like to touch.

Game can be tough for some guys. Not all of us will have the same experiences. So for you to say it's bullshit just means you're not having the same experience that some of us are, and you need to work harder in the gym and on your appearance.

Just like when I was 18/19 and had a friend a couple years older than me who claimed to fuck 100 girls. I told him he was full of shit and there was no way he'd fucked that many girls, because I'd only fucked about 8-10. Turns out he was probably telling the truth, and I couldn't fathom it because I wasn't on his level yet. I still had work to do before I could understand how what he was saying was possible.

For some reason I feel like a lot of guys on these forums have good looks and thus they take girls approaching them for granted. I am already going to the gym 5x a week and any more athletics and it will feel like a full time job. Girls can't see my 6-pack if I have a dress shirt on, all they see is a slim guy. So, the issue is that some of us (including myself) can't change certain things about our appearance. For example, I look older than my age which hurts me in many clubs/bars where the crowd is younger. Also, I have plenty of disposable income to dress well and do but with my mediocre facials aesthetics if I just stood like a wall-flower at a bar or watched ESPN with a drink I would never get any action. Therefore, for those of us with mediocre looks cold approaching is a must.

Yeah that's bullshit. Your style probably sucks. Walk around like this guy (if you actually lift) and girls will approach you

https://instagram.com/p/6WDRsovcPP/?take...evecook_32

Tresdus, don't judge too harshly. Getting approached by women does go down with age. 26 to 32 is the prime for that, as a man. I haven't been approached in awhile, but I don't go to clubs anymore or seek women of that age.
And I don't live in the US or Western Europe anymore.

Post: #43

(08-30-2015 07:15 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 06:50 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 02:07 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 01:14 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Whoever says that there is a western country where women approach guys is bullshitting. Unless one is model good looking (which I definitely am not) it just won't happen and strong game will always be required.

I've been to near 60 countries and have had to do almost all first approaches myself. Occasionally a drunk girl will approach me on the dance floor or at the bar but I don't count those examples as it may happen anywhere. Now, in some countries like Russia I got more IOI's than USA but I believe that is strictly due to speaking English and accented Russian in crowded places. Also, everywhere in USA looks matter a lot, especially since no matter what large city one go's out in the ratio will always be a sausage-fest.

I don't get approached in Thailand. I do get approached in California.

Last night a girl stopped me as I was leaving and said "Hey, I wanted to tell you that you look really great. I think we've met before a few years ago and you look even better now. You look really great."

It's not bullshit, I get approached in western countries. I also dress well (leather boots, selvedge denim, navy v/crew neck) and have a body that girls like to touch.

Game can be tough for some guys. Not all of us will have the same experiences. So for you to say it's bullshit just means you're not having the same experience that some of us are, and you need to work harder in the gym and on your appearance.

Just like when I was 18/19 and had a friend a couple years older than me who claimed to fuck 100 girls. I told him he was full of shit and there was no way he'd fucked that many girls, because I'd only fucked about 8-10. Turns out he was probably telling the truth, and I couldn't fathom it because I wasn't on his level yet. I still had work to do before I could understand how what he was saying was possible.

For some reason I feel like a lot of guys on these forums have good looks and thus they take girls approaching them for granted. I am already going to the gym 5x a week and any more athletics and it will feel like a full time job. Girls can't see my 6-pack if I have a dress shirt on, all they see is a slim guy. So, the issue is that some of us (including myself) can't change certain things about our appearance. For example, I look older than my age which hurts me in many clubs/bars where the crowd is younger. Also, I have plenty of disposable income to dress well and do but with my mediocre facials aesthetics if I just stood like a wall-flower at a bar or watched ESPN with a drink I would never get any action. Therefore, for those of us with mediocre looks cold approaching is a must.

Yeah that's bullshit. Your style probably sucks. Walk around like this guy (if you actually lift) and girls will approach you

https://instagram.com/p/6WDRsovcPP/?take...evecook_32

Not everyone who lifts is as big as that guy. That takes years of dedicated lifting + a religious, high calorie diet which would see him eating at least 6 clean meals a day. The fact is most people don't have the time to do all that working out/eating, or they play a sport which requires being able to run, so lift for a nice, lean body instead. This is nowhere near as noticeable when clothed, although you would get some attention at the beach.

You're also underestimating facial attractiveness here. Facial aesthetics will always be number one when it comes to initial attraction and if you're unattractive in that department, you won't get approached no matter how jacked you get. I would advise someone in that position to groom their face to get the most out of their potential. Experiment with facial hair, get an experienced barber to cut your hair so it 100% suits the shape of your face and your features, clean up your skin if need be, get a tan, hell use some moderate make up if you have to. And yes, dress like a model, even if you don't look like one. Lifting is not a magical solution to an otherwise unappealing person, other than in rare circumstances where men dedicate their entire lives to it.

Post: #44

@Tresdus, your home country says Ukraine. That's all I need to know to understand that you can't relate to some of us who live in competitive cities like Washington, DC, Toronto, or London.
When I visited Kiev several years back and later Crimea I did very well in clubs but so do most of the guys from these forums.

Anyways, there is a reason why PUA culture is so big here in the west and that is because average guys need it...it takes more than just style and being built to get noticed, you need to be funny, cocky, interesting, and above all approach. It pisses me off when someone here like yourself says that you just need to look good and girls will approach...that runs contrary to most of the teachings of game and seduction arts, there is a reason why Roosh wrote multiple books on approaching.

Post: #45

Definitely don't need to be anywhere near as big as that guy.

If you're lifting 5x per week and girls still think you're skinny you need to up your calories. Pack on 10-15 pounds and you'll probably see a much better response. If you don't have good facial aesthetics then stay lean, or get leaner, and your face will look much better. So gain the weight slowly so you don't add fat.

You also don't need to lift 5x per week. 3-4 is plenty. PM me if you want some advice.

Post: #46

(08-30-2015 09:37 PM)TripleG Wrote:  @Tresdus, your home country says Ukraine. That's all I need to know to understand that you can't relate to some of us who live in competitive cities like Washington, DC, Toronto, or London.
When I visited Kiev several years back and later Crimea I did very well in clubs but so do most of the guys from these forums.

Anyways, there is a reason why PUA culture is so big here in the west and that is because average guys need it...it takes more than just style and being built to get noticed, you need to be funny, cocky, interesting, and above all approach. It pisses me off when someone here like yourself says that you just need to look good and girls will approach...that runs contrary to most of the teachings of game and seduction arts, there is a reason why Roosh wrote multiple books on approaching.

My home country says Ukraine because I chose one randomly. I've never been there. I live in Canada at the moment and probably a dozen forum members can attest to that, that have met me.

So don't be so quick to say that I can't relate to you.

And concerning @Adrenaline. You are just prioritizing different things in life. Everyone can get that big. I started at 6'2 130lbs. I'm just now up to 190lbs, and I will see 210 by the end of the year. You just have to want it. Do you think I enjoy eating 4500kcal everyday? My evening meal takes me 45min. just to finish. All while working manual labour? No. But I do it anyway, because I enjoy having a great body.

Post: #47

(08-30-2015 09:36 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 07:15 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 06:50 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 02:07 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 01:14 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Whoever says that there is a western country where women approach guys is bullshitting. Unless one is model good looking (which I definitely am not) it just won't happen and strong game will always be required.

I've been to near 60 countries and have had to do almost all first approaches myself. Occasionally a drunk girl will approach me on the dance floor or at the bar but I don't count those examples as it may happen anywhere. Now, in some countries like Russia I got more IOI's than USA but I believe that is strictly due to speaking English and accented Russian in crowded places. Also, everywhere in USA looks matter a lot, especially since no matter what large city one go's out in the ratio will always be a sausage-fest.

I don't get approached in Thailand. I do get approached in California.

Last night a girl stopped me as I was leaving and said "Hey, I wanted to tell you that you look really great. I think we've met before a few years ago and you look even better now. You look really great."

It's not bullshit, I get approached in western countries. I also dress well (leather boots, selvedge denim, navy v/crew neck) and have a body that girls like to touch.

Game can be tough for some guys. Not all of us will have the same experiences. So for you to say it's bullshit just means you're not having the same experience that some of us are, and you need to work harder in the gym and on your appearance.

Just like when I was 18/19 and had a friend a couple years older than me who claimed to fuck 100 girls. I told him he was full of shit and there was no way he'd fucked that many girls, because I'd only fucked about 8-10. Turns out he was probably telling the truth, and I couldn't fathom it because I wasn't on his level yet. I still had work to do before I could understand how what he was saying was possible.

For some reason I feel like a lot of guys on these forums have good looks and thus they take girls approaching them for granted. I am already going to the gym 5x a week and any more athletics and it will feel like a full time job. Girls can't see my 6-pack if I have a dress shirt on, all they see is a slim guy. So, the issue is that some of us (including myself) can't change certain things about our appearance. For example, I look older than my age which hurts me in many clubs/bars where the crowd is younger. Also, I have plenty of disposable income to dress well and do but with my mediocre facials aesthetics if I just stood like a wall-flower at a bar or watched ESPN with a drink I would never get any action. Therefore, for those of us with mediocre looks cold approaching is a must.

Yeah that's bullshit. Your style probably sucks. Walk around like this guy (if you actually lift) and girls will approach you

https://instagram.com/p/6WDRsovcPP/?take...evecook_32

Not everyone who lifts is as big as that guy. That takes years of dedicated lifting + a religious, high calorie diet which would see him eating at least 6 clean meals a day. The fact is most people don't have the time to do all that working out/eating, or they play a sport which requires being able to run, so lift for a nice, lean body instead. This is nowhere near as noticeable when clothed, although you would get some attention at the beach.

You're also underestimating facial attractiveness here. Facial aesthetics will always be number one when it comes to initial attraction and if you're unattractive in that department, you won't get approached no matter how jacked you get. I would advise someone in that position to groom their face to get the most out of their potential. Experiment with facial hair, get an experienced barber to cut your hair so it 100% suits the shape of your face and your features, clean up your skin if need be, get a tan, hell use some moderate make up if you have to. And yes, dress like a model, even if you don't look like one. Lifting is not a magical solution to an otherwise unappealing person, other than in rare circumstances where men dedicate their entire lives to it.

Lifting is probably the single biggest thing a dude with average to subpar facial aesthetics could do to increase his overall masculine attraction to the opposite sex.

Believe it or not many women out there prefer these types to the "pretty" boys, as the latter can be perceived as feminine.

Lifting and getting reasonably big is not the all out en devour you make it out to be. Sure it takes consistency and discipline to stand out from the crowd, but if you aren't getting noticed by the ladies what do you have to lose? 4-6 hours a week total for training 3-4 times during that span? Eating relatively clean and above maintenance level.

After 3- five years your body probably wont look exactly like the chemically assisted professional physique model Steve cook, but your physique will stand out from 90 percent of non trained dudes. So then when you add in your suggestions or grooming and such, yes you will be able to hang with the pretty boys and in many cases outshine them.

Post: #48

It's probably a "culture thing".

In Bulgaria at least even if you're as big as Lazar Angelov (who sometimes gets 100,000 likes on a photo on Instagram) you'd get zero approaches from women.

Another thing: What about quality? I won't be happy if semi-lesbian Latino fatties approach me in say California. I'd prefer doing the approaches myself in Russia on slim women who are 7.5+.

Post: #49

Women approach men everywhere outside of S-E Asia in my experience. The frequency varies (highest in Oz/the US, lowest in Eastern Europe), and its obviously not as common as men approaching women, but it does happen. Not just to model looking dudes either.

I'd consider myself average or below average facially. When I was 'normal' sized I got zero attention from girls, I could go out to bars 3x a week and maybe only makeout with one girl a month - nevermind getting laid. I'm 6ft 220lb now and get approached by women almost every night I go out. My face didn't change, my height didn't change, my clothes didn't change. The only thing that did is I put on a decent amount of muscle. Anyone can make this change.

If women can't tell you lift when you're wearing clothes you are not big enough. Being 'lean' is great and all on a beach, but it does nothing for you in a club. Go do 6-18 months of bulking, put on 10-20lbs of decent weight, and come back to us.

Post: #50

(08-31-2015 04:57 AM)kral_belial Wrote:  Another thing: What about quality? I won't be happy if semi-lesbian Latino fatties approach me in say California. I'd prefer doing the approaches myself in Russia on slim women who are 7.5+.

I've had legitimate runway models approach me and 300 pound D.C. area whales approach me. There is really no way to keep the grenades from approaching. The top quality ones won't approach unless you are in a place that has top quality girls and even then they probably won't approach.