Post: #1

Hello gentlemen,

This coming summer will be the one between finishing college and starting work. This past summer, the government took about $3k from me in taxes, which I'll get back in my refund. In addition, I'm looking at a signing bonus of maybe $5k.

This gives me about $8k to take a summer trip. I've thought about the usual places, SEA and EE, but why do that and pay for the plane tickets when after a few years in consulting I could go for free or maybe even take a project in an office in those regions?

Rather, I'd like to dedicate these precious 10 or so weeks to travelling from one side of the US to the other, hitting the best stops for puss all along the way. From what the forum has revealed, small town and the Midwest are the best option for cute and gameable chicks with relatively less competition, and far more initial ROI on attraction to a more exotic looking guy like me. Combined with my more cosmopolitan sense, sharp style, crazy stories from travels abroad, and possibly accent game, I feel like this will offer me the best return for time and money spent at this point in my life.

I'm trying to plan out my itinerary and figure out stops so that I can start looking at logistics and hit the ground running when the time finally comes.

I will start in Savannah, GA, at one end, go to the West Coast and probably stop by Seattle, then end up in Austin where I start work. My initial strategy will be to get into a city on Friday, then leave on Thursday morning to get to the next place by Friday night, so that I get a full weekend to game in each place I visit.

Some cities that have been suggested by others in the various relevant threads are:
Savannah, GA
Charleston, SC
Wilmington, NC
Lexington, KY
Indianapolis, IN
St. Louis, MO
Kansas City, MO
Minneapolis, MN
St. Cloud, MN
Duluth, MN
Madison, WI
Lacrosse, WI
Sauk City, WI
Spring Green, WI
Eau Claire, WI
Dubuque, IA

This is kind of where the datasheets fall off. I'm curious as to any other suggestions in states like the Dakotas, Kansas, Nebraska, or Colorado.

Hopefully this can also evolve into a comprehensive datasheet on small towns; the threads we do have provide some info but then usually descend into just repeating the merits of small towns and eventually fall off.

Will be posting updates as I plan for this journey, respond to suggestions, and eventually go.

Post: #2

Some hopefully helpful questions:

1) With that pace, I'd imagine you'd be pipelining online, on top of running day or (more likely) night game geared for same-day/night-lays?

2) Or would you be better served by slowing the pace and allowing for a few date lays? Or would it best to simple be flexible and book as you go, leaving or staying only if you like the place?

3) Would it make sense to arrive on Thursday nights instead of Friday nights so you can be fresh for weekend night game (if you run it)?

4) AirBnB over hotels?

5) The boring delayed gratification option - investing this money now so later it's easier to become location-independent?

Post: #3

Really good questions 262, appreciate the thought.

1. I have no idea how good pipelining will be in the smaller towns, but I'm otherwise not expecting much for the bigger cities. This is going to be as much nonstop day and night game, real approaching as I can handle. Hopefully with the amount of approaches and game I put in during this journey, I can really rapidly elevate my skill level. Tinder etc. simply doesn't work well for me as a minority, and if I'm running accent game, the shock factor for the girls will come from me speaking to them.

2. I'll be running every type of game that I can; I'll have dates from daygame during the evenings to convert to lays and maybe then go back out and see if I can do more club pulls. Certainly one of the things that I will look into with additional suggestions is how long to spend in each place. I'm not going to leave a goldmine prematurely, but with flexibility comes added costs, which I'll have to keep in mind.

3. Good suggestion, if I stick to a hard pre-booked schedule than I suppose Thursday to Thursday would be a better arrangement.

4. Most likely. Hotels have a higher trigger of ASD.

5. I've thought about this a lot; I have a decent amount of money in my retirement account now and growing, which puts me ahead of most of my peers, those with trust funds notwithstanding. However, this is a decision very set in my mind. I've worked summer jobs every year since 6th grade, and I need a break. Herein lies a great opportunity to do hundreds of approaches, something that will help me greatly for years to come when I'm working, well worth the opportunity cost to me at this point of having far worse game but then achieving independence sometime slightly later in my 30s.

Post: #4

Are you 100% set on sticking to the US?

I'm not at all convinced that your itinerary will be cheaper or easier than flying to Asia or EE. If you can't find good Airbnb deals, then you will be paying $100 a night for at best a Holiday Inn Express. Honestly I haven't paid less than $100 for a hotel room since a weekend stay next to Dulles. Weekday rates are HIGH right now across the country.

I know that you can fly to Bangkok for $700 from NYC and for around $500 from LAX. In places like Thailand, China, Vietnam, Indonesia, and Cambodia, $30/night is the norm.

Post: #5

I'd be interested in hearing how things are in Savannah. I've only been a handful of times and wonder if the girls down their are more DTF than they would be in the Atlanta. Definitely takes some pictures out there, I'm sure you could use your traveling as a hook for girls as well. It's just something about getting out/exploring that sparks their curiosity.

Post: #6

Go forth, my Asian brother, and good luck. This experience seems like it will serve you well. Your work ethic and intelligence will likely let you tailor a flexible plan into one that's right for you as this journey progresses.

I'm sure the forum will appreciate info on the smaller towns too!

Post: #7

I'm from kansas. We have 2 big party schools (k state & ku) filled with the Midwestern pussy you seek. Your problem is during the summer these small college towns are deserted so you wouldn't find much there.

In kansas city, people will tell you to go to the power and light district, but there is a better bar district called westport. Wesport is better than power and light because it's mostly local girls and less douchey all around.

The end of June there's a huge country music festival called country stampede near the lake outside manhattan (where k state is). It has the hottest young, drunk pussy you can find. Don't worry about the music, the campground is a nonstop party of drunk horny kansas girls. It's definitely the most fun you can have in kansas, far better than any bar you'll find in kc.
Most of the girls are 16 to 21 and walk around drunk, the men set up beer pong and makeshift party areas with their campers. It attracts a huge amount of teenage girls who want to party without bothering to get a fake id. It's uncommon to even see women over 24 there. It's the best ratio of hot pussy you'll find in kansas.
If you wear glow necklaces at night in the campground, drunk girls will show you their tits, make out with you or do pretty much whatever you want them to for a glow stick. You don't even need to know anyone, everyone is so fucked up looking to party and get laid many don't even bother going to the concerts they just stay in the campground cuz it's so fun.

So westport in kc is a decent option, but if you want to party with hundreds of drunk 18yr old kansas girls you gotta buy a campground pass to country stampede. Kc is a bunch of city girls, not really the 'small town' types you are looking for

Post: #8

(08-30-2015 06:04 PM)elcidcampeador Wrote:  Are you 100% set on sticking to the US?

I'm not at all convinced that your itinerary will be cheaper or easier than flying to Asia or EE. If you can't find good Airbnb deals, then you will be paying $100 a night for at best a Holiday Inn Express. Honestly I haven't paid less than $100 for a hotel room since a weekend stay next to Dulles. Weekday rates are HIGH right now across the country.

I know that you can fly to Bangkok for $700 from NYC and for around $500 from LAX. In places like Thailand, China, Vietnam, Indonesia, and Cambodia, $30/night is the norm.

Excellent questions elcid; it's always good to make sure your plans are stress tested and peer reviewed.

My thought process is thus; I am Asian-American- as such, business and personal matters will inevitably draw me to Asia many times for the rest of my life, whether I even like it or not. EE is also a natural draw for me later on when I consider location independent places to live.

I have no idea when else in my life I would even think about visiting these places in the US, much less when I've got as much time and energy to really nail down intermediate game.

Would appreciate any further comments or thoughts you have in response or otherwise. Having to defend one's decision is often the best way to build it up substantively.

Post: #9

I've traveled through Europe and across the USA. My advice would be to buy a one way ticket to Europe and travel that way. Stay in hostels, party with fellow travelers from across the world, and see whats outside of the USA. As long as you stay out of Paris and London for extended periods its probably cheaper. Costs add up quicker in the US because you dont have low cost lodging options (ie hostels). Fortunately gas prices are low so that should help.

On my cross country trip I went from Charleston (recommend) to Tuscaloosa (decent college town). One of my takeaways from driving across the USA is that there is a whole lot of nothing. Just an insane amount of absolutely nothing. There are some cool things to see in the Southwest (national parks). But middle America is a vast wasteland. If you do want to travel across the country and try to bang chicks I'd recommend sticking to the Southern route (Savannah, Florida beach towns, New orleans, Austin, TX, Dallas) and maybe stopping in college towns when you want to break up the drive. But I basically drove from Charleston to Tuscaloosa to Dallas on back to back days and essentially covered about 100 miles. Hung out in Dallas and Austin for a few days, then drove to White Sands, NM (recommend), Grand Canyon, Vegas, and SoCal, then up the coast. Again, all cool things, but if you are traveling solo and staying in hotels you are going to drop alot of cash pretty quickly.

One other point - you will have the opportunity to visit most American cities at some time in the next 10 years of your life - even if its just for a quick weekend getaway. Getting 30 days or more to get over to Europe is probably something you will never have the chance to do again.

Post: #10

(08-31-2015 05:41 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  I've traveled through Europe and across the USA. My advice would be to buy a one way ticket to Europe and travel that way. Stay in hostels, party with fellow travelers from across the world, and see whats outside of the USA. As long as you stay out of Paris and London for extended periods its probably cheaper. Costs add up quicker in the US because you dont have low cost lodging options (ie hostels). Fortunately gas prices are low so that should help.

On my cross country trip I went from Charleston (recommend) to Tuscaloosa (decent college town). One of my takeaways from driving across the USA is that there is a whole lot of nothing. Just an insane amount of absolutely nothing. There are some cool things to see in the Southwest (national parks). But middle America is a vast wasteland. If you do want to travel across the country and try to bang chicks I'd recommend sticking to the Southern route (Savannah, Florida beach towns, New orleans, Austin, TX, Dallas) and maybe stopping in college towns when you want to break up the drive. But I basically drove from Charleston to Tuscaloosa to Dallas on back to back days and essentially covered about 100 miles. Hung out in Dallas and Austin for a few days, then drove to White Sands, NM (recommend), Grand Canyon, Vegas, and SoCal, then up the coast. Again, all cool things, but if you are traveling solo and staying in hotels you are going to drop alot of cash pretty quickly.

One other point - you will have the opportunity to visit most American cities at some time in the next 10 years of your life - even if its just for a quick weekend getaway. Getting 30 days or more to get over to Europe is probably something you will never have the chance to do again.

Thanks for the questions BMan; I have 2 questions re: your comments.

Firstly, are you recommending the classic "backpack across Europe"? And if so, would you start with Western Europe even though it is more expensive, or EE?

Secondly, on the US front, you would recommend just popping into a town for a weekend by plane and then heading right out again at various points in the future?

Thanks for the feedback.

PS: DV, I haven't been ignoring you; I googled pictures of Kansas country stampede.... holy fuck... fantastic intel.

Post: #11

(08-31-2015 04:52 PM)swuglyfe Wrote:  I have no idea when else in my life I would even think about visiting these places in the US, much less when I've got as much time and energy to really nail down intermediate game.

Would appreciate any further comments or thoughts you have in response or otherwise. Having to defend one's decision is often the best way to build it up substantively.

Well, I really think that when it comes down to number crunching, you will have to cut some of these cities, especially if the 8K is a firm limit for expenses. The debate for me is a strictly financial one - I'm sure you can find value in any trip you take.

Accommodations are expensive in smaller cities because of the lack of demand. I would expect to pay $100 a day in all of these places on hotels or Airbnbs in nice places.

Also, I'd imagine you'd be traveling to these places frequently as a consultant. My best friend works for a major consulting firm and he travels to small places in the Midwest all the time. He's not getting sent to exotic locales at all.

That being said, I do not believe that you will never have 30 days off in your life to travel again. You can always travel, so don't take the American mindset that you need one big trip after you graduate because you need to spend the rest of your life working to support an overweight pig (wife) that can barely even cook.

Post: #12

If you need anything on Houston or Austin if you are passing through here(highly recommend Austin as a party city and the UT campus does not disappoint or the off chance you wanna visit my sorry ass) shoot me a PM.


Edit: a poster recommended Dallas,TX you might as well hit Collegestation or Lubbock(college towns for A&M and Lubbock; would recommend Collegestation if you are tall and white) over Dallas. No disrespect to the Dallas folks but that place has the worst logistics known to man even though I have friends out there who can show you a good time.

Post: #13

(09-01-2015 10:16 AM)swuglyfe Wrote:  Firstly, are you recommending the classic "backpack across Europe"? And if so, would you start with Western Europe even though it is more expensive, or EE?

If you do Europe, I'd vote for starting in a 2nd-tier Polish city (though in the summer I'd vote for Sopot or Krakow), with an AirBnB for at least two weeks. Western Europe is expensive in most major cities, plus you won't get a foreigner bonus with the girls, and the girls won't be as pretty. My guess is future consulting gigs will more likely send you there anyways, and you'll have to use frequent flier miles to do side-trips to EE when you're in Western Europe for business.

Post: #14

(09-01-2015 10:16 AM)swuglyfe Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 05:41 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  I've traveled through Europe and across the USA. My advice would be to buy a one way ticket to Europe and travel that way. Stay in hostels, party with fellow travelers from across the world, and see whats outside of the USA. As long as you stay out of Paris and London for extended periods its probably cheaper. Costs add up quicker in the US because you dont have low cost lodging options (ie hostels). Fortunately gas prices are low so that should help.

On my cross country trip I went from Charleston (recommend) to Tuscaloosa (decent college town). One of my takeaways from driving across the USA is that there is a whole lot of nothing. Just an insane amount of absolutely nothing. There are some cool things to see in the Southwest (national parks). But middle America is a vast wasteland. If you do want to travel across the country and try to bang chicks I'd recommend sticking to the Southern route (Savannah, Florida beach towns, New orleans, Austin, TX, Dallas) and maybe stopping in college towns when you want to break up the drive. But I basically drove from Charleston to Tuscaloosa to Dallas on back to back days and essentially covered about 100 miles. Hung out in Dallas and Austin for a few days, then drove to White Sands, NM (recommend), Grand Canyon, Vegas, and SoCal, then up the coast. Again, all cool things, but if you are traveling solo and staying in hotels you are going to drop alot of cash pretty quickly.

One other point - you will have the opportunity to visit most American cities at some time in the next 10 years of your life - even if its just for a quick weekend getaway. Getting 30 days or more to get over to Europe is probably something you will never have the chance to do again.

Thanks for the questions BMan; I have 2 questions re: your comments.

Firstly, are you recommending the classic "backpack across Europe"? And if so, would you start with Western Europe even though it is more expensive, or EE?

Secondly, on the US front, you would recommend just popping into a town for a weekend by plane and then heading right out again at various points in the future?

Thanks for the feedback.

PS: DV, I haven't been ignoring you; I googled pictures of Kansas country stampede.... holy fuck... fantastic intel.

It kind of depends on what you want to do. The great thing about Europe is that everything is so close together and easily connected by discount airlines, trains, or buses. There are some really amazing cities in Europe that you can see back to back to back. When I traveled I hit Madrid, Barcelona, London, Amsterdam, Vienna, Prague, Rome, Sofia, and Brussels. They were all great cities, some I enjoyed more then others. I was gone a month and could have stayed longer. Prague was my favorite, and it was dirt cheap, so I stayed longer. I took my trip between jobs when I was about 30 so I appreciate it a little more, and was fortunate to have the chance to get away for a month. But if you plan on living your life in the US then you can pretty much check out any city you want over the next 10 or so years by making one or two long weekend trips a year. To get the opportunity to spend that much uninterrupted time in Europe is going to be much harder as you get older.

Post: #15

Hey man. If I was you. I would head out to anywhere but the Usa. The posters above have it already..

Despite the Overall cost of living being higher in most parts of western and northern europe, transportation between cities is much easier, cheaper and even better you wont have your car. I think you would be surprised how much driving your doing here. A lot of driving can wear you out fast. Taking the train can be much easier on your mind.

Us hotels prices are also pretty high. I did a hike in PA and Va recently...and the absolute worst hotel still like 50 bucks and there isnt the same hostel system.

Also, the quality of chicks in small towns south and midwest are good for the us
There will be some really sexy ones but theres also a ton of obesity. Also, consider that many college tons will not be as good during the summer.

Lastly, while it Will be harder in the us to game chicks when your older compared to other parts of the world. It will also be the easiest for yo to visit when your older. My parents took me everywhere in the us. If you ever do have a gf/family, you re still going to be able to see the country. If will be much harder to go Poland, Russia, Vietnam, brazil if that happens.

Anyways, good luck, im on a journey myself and wish you well

Post: #16

@hwuzhere, Will absolutely PM you in the near future; looking to start work full-time in Austin after this trip, and would certainly appreciate a good wing and intel on the best places and moves in town. First drink's on me when we meet.

Thanks to all for the comments. There seems to be a lot of love for Europe; as I watch the migrant crisis unfold with disappointment and frustration, would the vets here say it'll be a good environment to make this kind of journey in?

Perhaps EE is indeed the safe zone; intro Russian class is kicking my ass but it'll be so worth it at the end of this year.

Post: #17

(09-03-2015 11:27 PM)swuglyfe Wrote:  Thanks to all for the comments. There seems to be a lot of love for Europe; as I watch the migrant crisis unfold with disappointment and frustration, would the vets here say it'll be a good environment to make this kind of journey in?

Since you don't look like a migrant, my guess is you'll be fine.

Folks gotta remember that the media hypes the news for ad clicks. Recent example: here in Kiev there was apparently a "violent protest" in front of the parliament building a few days ago. Both NomadofEU and I didn't even hear about nor see it until folks from the US messaged us about it the next day!

Post: #18

Driven cross country twice (NJ to CA) and from NJ to FL twice. PM me for more info.

Really depends what you want to see and what route you want to take. When I drove the Southern route, it took me about 2 weeks, and $1200. Keep in mind, I took my time, and drove into FL to visit friends, then back up the coast. I did a combo of hotels, Air BNB and friends.

Ive been to just about every city I want to see in the US, except Austin, TX and I am going there in 3 weeks.

Starting in Savannah, you can go 2 routes obviously, so its really up to how you want to do it.

If you're going in summer, Id avoid college towns. You would have better results hitting tourist cities, festivals, and vacation towns if you are looking for girls.

Post: #19

(09-04-2015 07:59 AM)Philly215 Wrote:  Driven cross country twice (NJ to CA) and from NJ to FL twice. PM me for more info.

Really depends what you want to see and what route you want to take. When I drove the Southern route, it took me about 2 weeks, and $1200. Keep in mind, I took my time, and drove into FL to visit friends, then back up the coast. I did a combo of hotels, Air BNB and friends.

Ive been to just about every city I want to see in the US, except Austin, TX and I am going there in 3 weeks.

Starting in Savannah, you can go 2 routes obviously, so its really up to how you want to do it.

If you're going in summer, Id avoid college towns. You would have better results hitting tourist cities, festivals, and vacation towns if you are looking for girls.

Interesting. This is actually really good intel to start locking down things I could do. Combining advice from multiple posters, I can do things like go to the country stampede as a singular event some point in the future, and perhaps take a southern route. Thing about the southern route is that I'm not sure what the top spots would be there. Visions of obese southern girls are dancing in my head right now.

Post: #20

For a city in south you already got Charleston and Savannah which have some real cute blondes. Both cities are Worth seeing fo tourist purposes. Ive been to both. Savannah can be kinda touristy for old heads.

Check out asheville, really hipster, been twice...got sick one time so cant comment too mu ch on gaming but a bunch of cute chicks like to hit this place up for a bachelorlette parties and its popular for liberal southern girls to go for a weekend.

Never been to Nashville, but know a bunch of people who work or live there...I would say its Worth checking out.

By the way, apologize for the poor spelling, only have the telephone with me (and the autocorrector is in spanish)

Post: #21

Also, Seattle is a very cool city, but there are not many good looking girls.

You definitely want to hit Scottsdale. By far the best looking girls in the most densely populated area in the entire country. There isn't much competition with dudes either. When I lived in Miami and LA, you are constantly competing for girls with guys who are rich or famous. Not the case in Scottsdale.

From there head to San Diego then up the coast to the Bay Area.

Avoid the entire midwest besides Chicago, and only in summer. There is nothing there whatsoever.

If you take the Southern route, I guess you would do Savannah, Tallahassee, New Orleans, Houston/Austin/San Antonio. El Paso is a really weird city, but if you're feeling adventurous you can cross the border to Juarez. Id recommend Lubbock as a stopover instead. From there you're not that far to Arizona.

Tons of cool stuff along the way.

Going back to your original post, avoid all of those cities besides Savannah, Charleston and Madison. Madison is great, but I was only there during fall football. Other than that, none of those cities are worth making an effort to see.

To further answer your question. Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska, Dakotas are just a lot of empty space. The cities are small and spread out, and there is nothing going on other than Friday and Saturday.

Also if you Air BNB, just pick the hottest girl hosting, regardless of location and price in the city. This worked out great for me in New Orleans.

Post: #22

Many thanks for all the feedback gentlemen. Things are starting to crystallize.

Should I take the US route, it's clear I should stick to a particular region, probably the Southeast.

Perhaps something along the lines of
Savannah
Charleston
Raleigh-Durham?
Nashville
Knoxville?
New Orleans
Texas cities, end in Austin

Thanks for the great intel Philly, my plan at this point is to string together a region. I'll visit other highly recommended spots via surgical strike during the school year, aka flying in for a weekend thanks to consulting miles, or staying the weekend in these places if I'm already there. That should let me forego a ton of the driving in empty space, or at least reduce it if I have to drive to it. Wilco re: Scottsdale.