It's so, so difficult to know where you're going to mesh well with the look + personality/culture before going to a place. It's highly individual and subjective. I'd really just advise trying to do a trip where you spend 1-2 weeks each in all the countries you're thinking about in a region, and do that for all the regions you're thinking about, before committing to moving to any of them for an extended period. Sometimes you make a post like OP did here where you try to figure things out entirely before even setting foot in any of the places and you decide to go spend 6 months in the place that seemed perfect on paper, then finally when you go somewhere else you realize its 10x better for you and if you'd gone in without as many preconceived notions you'd have gotten to a better place for you faster. So OP, I highly advise avoiding reading too much into particular suggestions RE: Poland is best, or Vietnam is best, or Colombia is best, and instead try to spend just a week or a month in a few of these places because you'll quickly get a much better idea of how you feel about the looks, whether their personality and sense of humour matches up for you, etc.

(08-25-2015 06:57 AM)Kamaki4 Wrote:  Travesty, I agree with you when it comes to Vietnamese; some of the hottest girls in Asia. Heads up though if you are looking at marriage; Vietnamese are generally very sharp and you will run into a lot of girls who will run game on you if they sense you are looking for a wife.

I also concur.

I found Vietnamese women to be very beautiful, on par with the Japanese or Koreans. They were slim with curves, had soft voices and feminine attitudes. I saw no bitchiness my entire trip. Also, I've never really found women funny but Vietnamese girls had good senses of humor and actually made me laugh (not in the dumb Thai girl kind of way).

With that said, they're sharp and they certainly will run game on you. I never got the gold digger vibe but they are all looking to trap a man. There is no real negative attitude toward locals dating foreigners... but Saigon is the smallest city of 14 million I've ever been to. Even after a week you start seeing the same faces... if you get outted as a player girls will gossip and it'll cramp your game.

IMO, Vietnam is the best place in Asia for a foreigner to find wife material. Sex tourism is very low compared to the other SEA countries and its very rare to see 20+ year age gaps between foreign men and local women and no stigma exists. Finding a 7-7.5 10-15 years your junior is possible, assuming you commit to living there.

(08-22-2015 08:27 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  let me also throw out there a non-abroad suggestion of the rural south for wife hunting, 2nd tier cities and 3rd tier towns with an online pipeline...ie online dating with searches centered on middle of nowhere or small town zip codes. The quality is there and if you move them out of lets say, hazard county and they've never been across state lines you may be able isolate them enough to reduce some attention whoring.

I found my wife in Iowa. Old fashioned girl, grew up with old fashioned parents. Married when she was 25 and I was 34. Not a career girl (when we were dating she was so embarrassed to be working as a receptionist...funny because it was the sexiest thing about her.) Married for many years, with kids. She would not work unless we were desperate, in which case I have no doubt she'd do whatever it took to keep the kids fed and clothed.

So I would suggest: considering making the effort to find an old-fashioned American girl. I know I know...you guys hate western women, for good reason, BUT...

Remember that there are millions upon millions of midwestern and southern girls (and Western cowgirls, and Maine coastal girls, etc etc) still into marriage. They are everywhere. You just don't see them on the media because, guess what, they aren't the attention whores who go for media.

Old fashioned American girls are still smarter, sexier, and have bigger breasts than viet, thai, and columbians. Plus when you have kids, they will be MUCH easier to deal with because you'll have the same cultural roots. When you have kids it's a massive mind-bending burden to deal with multiple cultures. Grandma and Grandpa WILL be heavily involved, and you will be humbly thankful to have them to take the kids for a weekend so you can relax.

Think about it. US is HUGE and has LOTS of submissive sweet girls. Just avoid the coasts and you will find them in abundance. Test carefully to make sure no feminist beliefs (reject instantly if feminism detected).

(08-25-2015 11:31 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  I found my wife in Iowa. Old fashioned girl, grew up with old fashioned parents. Married when she was 25 and I was 34. Not a career girl (when we were dating she was so embarrassed to be working as a receptionist...funny because it was the sexiest thing about her.) Married for many years, with kids. She would not work unless we were desperate, in which case I have no doubt she'd do whatever it took to keep the kids fed and clothed.

So I would suggest: considering making the effort to find an old-fashioned American girl. I know I know...you guys hate western women, for good reason, BUT...

Remember that there are millions upon millions of midwestern and southern girls (and Western cowgirls, and Maine coastal girls, etc etc) still into marriage. They are everywhere. You just don't see them on the media because, guess what, they aren't the attention whores who go for media.

Old fashioned American girls are still smarter, sexier, and have bigger breasts than viet, thai, and columbians. Plus when you have kids, they will be MUCH easier to deal with because you'll have the same cultural roots. When you have kids it's a massive mind-bending burden to deal with multiple cultures. Grandma and Grandpa WILL be heavily involved, and you will be humbly thankful to have them to take the kids for a weekend so you can relax.

Think about it. US is HUGE and has LOTS of submissive sweet girls. Just avoid the coasts and you will find them in abundance. Test carefully to make sure no feminist beliefs (reject instantly if feminism detected).

Thanks Mr. Lemon for the insightful post.

I'm in a similar boat: 36 years old, about to marry a 27-year-old. She's from EE originally, came here when she was 10, so effectively American. Grew up in Midwest so really nice and down-to-earth, but has strong beliefs about family, religion and her place therein that she brought with her from the Old World. She's already planning on "retiring" from her shitty-ass job when the first kid comes. Has taken up cooking with full conviction and has now become a much better cook than me (I was better in the beginning, but now I'm only allowed to help out, but not actually plan or cook the meal).

The one issue for American guys is that our culture still does not accept fully a large age gap between a man and woman. I would think most families would frown on their young daughter dating a man in his early 30s, and that it would take a lot to win them over. I didn't have that problem as my girl's parents are completely used to that age gap.

Also, a lot of young American girls may be intimidated by an older man. There's clearly expert advice how to overcome that, especially from Giovonny, but it's an uphill battle.

Nonetheless, there are a lot of beautiful, young American women out there who just want a home-and-hearth and will overlook age if you can provide it.

(08-25-2015 12:08 PM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 11:31 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  I found my wife in Iowa. Old fashioned girl, grew up with old fashioned parents. Married when she was 25 and I was 34. Not a career girl (when we were dating she was so embarrassed to be working as a receptionist...funny because it was the sexiest thing about her.) Married for many years, with kids. She would not work unless we were desperate, in which case I have no doubt she'd do whatever it took to keep the kids fed and clothed.

So I would suggest: considering making the effort to find an old-fashioned American girl. I know I know...you guys hate western women, for good reason, BUT...

Remember that there are millions upon millions of midwestern and southern girls (and Western cowgirls, and Maine coastal girls, etc etc) still into marriage. They are everywhere. You just don't see them on the media because, guess what, they aren't the attention whores who go for media.

Old fashioned American girls are still smarter, sexier, and have bigger breasts than viet, thai, and columbians. Plus when you have kids, they will be MUCH easier to deal with because you'll have the same cultural roots. When you have kids it's a massive mind-bending burden to deal with multiple cultures. Grandma and Grandpa WILL be heavily involved, and you will be humbly thankful to have them to take the kids for a weekend so you can relax.

Think about it. US is HUGE and has LOTS of submissive sweet girls. Just avoid the coasts and you will find them in abundance. Test carefully to make sure no feminist beliefs (reject instantly if feminism detected).

Thanks Mr. Lemon for the insightful post.

I'm in a similar boat: 36 years old, about to marry a 27-year-old. She's from EE originally, came here when she was 10, so effectively American. Grew up in Midwest so really nice and down-to-earth, but has strong beliefs about family, religion and her place therein that she brought with her from the Old World. She's already planning on "retiring" from her shitty-ass job when the first kid comes. Has taken up cooking with full conviction and has now become a much better cook than me (I was better in the beginning, but now I'm only allowed to help out, but not actually plan or cook the meal).

The one issue for American guys is that our culture still does not accept fully a large age gap between a man and woman. I would think most families would frown on their young daughter dating a man in his early 30s, and that it would take a lot to win them over. I didn't have that problem as my girl's parents are completely used to that age gap.

Also, a lot of young American girls may be intimidated by an older man. There's clearly expert advice how to overcome that, especially from Giovonny, but it's an uphill battle.

Nonetheless, there are a lot of beautiful, young American women out there who just want a home-and-hearth and will overlook age if you can provide it.

Nice!

I've never had any problem whatsoever with the age gap myself. A 36 year old guy marrying a 27 year old girl is completely normal, anybody who worries about that is a REJECT anyway.

(08-25-2015 12:19 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  Nice!

I've never had any problem whatsoever with the age gap myself. A 36 year old guy marrying a 27 year old girl is completely normal, anybody who worries about that is a REJECT anyway.

What about a 30 year old wanting to marry an 18 year old?

G

^ A polite counterpoint to Mr. Lemon:

1) Most guys on this site (never mind outside it) aren't location independent (yet, or ever). So most guys will likely be employed in big cities, due to increasing urbanization in the US (never mind the world). That presents logistical problems if you want to date girls outside said cities. Not impossible to overcome, but quite an investment. You'd essentially run long game on every single prospect.

2) Like the best city girls, the best country girls don't need to do online dating. In your End Game post ( /thread-5661-p...l#pid86547 ), you mention that you met your wife through your social circle - which is powerful anywhere, but obviously requires you to become a local:

Quote:Lo and behold a week later I ran into this girl while hanging with friends, asked her on a date.

3) Assuming a lack of location independence, and thus employment in a big city, bringing prospects back to said city risks increasing the probability of a feminist infection. Said girls are more likely to eventually be infected than foreign girls due to cultural similarities. Note that the forum already advises against bringing foreign girls to the US for said reason. Water takes the shape of the container it fills.

4) If a guy achieves location independence, I'd argue his best bet is to find a country whose culture supports his goals, rather than hope his wife won't be infected. In your End Game post ( /thread-5661-p...l#pid86547 ), you touch on this:

Quote:My wife is surrounded by bitter divorced women who are looking for very sneaky ways to poison her feelings against men. She resists it and I fight it, but she may yet slip and fall.

5) Most guys are attracted to girls that are exotic to them (and vice versa). So chances are they'll find Viet, Thai, Colombian, Brazilian, Polish, or Ukrainian girls more attractive than their American counterparts, depending on their tastes and how they look. Polish girls generally have bigger breasts than American girls, if that's your thing, for instance.

6) I'd argue culture is more about values than geography. I'd rather a wife come from a foreign culture that emphasizes traditional families than one where we happened to entertain ourselves similarly.

7) The US is huge, but the world is bigger.

(08-23-2015 11:18 AM)Travesty Wrote:  I have a knife in my gut that pains me to pass up on places like UA, Russia, Belarus, Baltics....

I think from everything I have read on here though over the years realistically as far as Europe is concerned, it would be significantly more difficult to find a proper girl in these countries and either live in that country or bring her back and have it work out compared to Poland, Romania, and Serbia. Maybe I am wrong?

I'd like to visit all these countries for at least a week scouting trip in the next 2-3 years. I need to cut somewhere.

How are Hungarian girls as far as wife material? I have read Budapest threads, never remember too much about their LTR potential.

I don't know if these girls are the best LTR. I almost married one but I was under no allusion that she had been around.
I would never marry a Pole, just my experience.
In fact I wouldn't marry any girl from countries that produce a lot of porn stars or sex workers. I know it is a bad generalization but better to be safe than sorry.
One thing I liked about the Balkans is that the girls seem to show some class and did not act slutty.

I agree with VP post the most.

Bringing any girl back to America/Canada is playing Russian roulette if you ask me. We live a very different life compared to the rest of the world.

I would marry a girl from a country that I could spend some time in and enjoy the culture.

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Travesty, almost two years ago I went through exactly what you are going through now. And even though I was with a girl that made me confident she was all in with me, I still did some deep searching to be sure I was making the right decision with the right person.

You should have two lists, one for your partner, the second for the mother. She MUST be your partner first, and a mother second. Without this dynamic, the whole house falls apart.

1: Find a partner first

My partner is foreign born, but lived half her life in Canada. Traditional, takes care of herself close with her immediate family, etc. She is close with her mother, but because of time zones cant talk with her about pressing matters. Keep this in mind.

One reason I like Mexico is that if I would have married my Mexican girlfriend years ago I actually liked where she was from. The country is beautiful, food is great and the families are tight. In a best case scenario, you want your partner calling her mother or sister or aunt when she is having problems, not her wine gulping girlfriends.

2: She must have a good relationship with female family members

Mr Lemon mentioned USA. Do not overlook this, in fact I would recommend looking here first. So many things that can stress a relationship come from different cultural norms. Things that are on your side are your experience and level of game. Two things that can raise red flags in women quickly, which is what you want. To 'next' women as quickly as possible. As others mentioned, stay away from the coasts and its surprising the quality women we still have right in our backyards.

3: Similar cultural game plan for the long term

You grew up catholic so looking at catholic (or Christian) countries is a good place to start. There are some gems, but as many of us travelers have found, the 'Double Moral" of most catholic countries make them a bit of a hit/miss. Take Poland and Czech for example. But overlooked is Slovakia. Same with Serbia/Croatia/Bosnia. Bosnia would be a good choice for mother material compared to the other two.

Others are on the right track in regards to Asia (Vietnam) and I havent been there so I will let others speak for itself. But look at Japan. The statistics show that here in Vancouver more than half of Japanese born women marry outside their race. That means that at any Japanese cultural events it will be a mix of people of different races and that family and friends are more open. This is a good environment to raise kids in.

Korea is overlooked because its much harder to get laid than other close by countries, but that does not mean that the women are no good. In fact, I would be more willing to game a Korean Christian woman for long term partner/mother than in other Asian countries. They are loyal, love children, low divorce, kept in line with shame/threats through matriarchal means.

4: Countries with more difficult access to fast sex are often where good partners and future mothers hide

Long post, but having been in your position not long ago I have a lot of thoughts and experience on the subject.

Good luck, its worth the hard work.

(08-25-2015 12:49 PM)262 Wrote:  ^ A polite counterpoint to Mr. Lemon:

1) Most guys on this site (never mind outside it) aren't location independent (yet, or ever). So most guys will likely be employed in big cities, due to increasing urbanization in the US (never mind the world). That presents logistical problems if you want to date girls outside said cities. Not impossible to overcome, but quite an investment. You'd essentially run long game on every single prospect.

2) Like the best city girls, the best country girls don't need to do online dating. In your End Game post ( /thread-5661-p...l#pid86547 ), you mention that you met your wife through your social circle - which is powerful anywhere, but obviously requires you to become a local:

Quote:Lo and behold a week later I ran into this girl while hanging with friends, asked her on a date.

3) Assuming a lack of location independence, and thus employment in a big city, bringing prospects back to said city risks increasing the probability of a feminist infection. Said girls are more likely to eventually be infected than foreign girls due to cultural similarities. Note that the forum already advises against bringing foreign girls to the US for said reason. Water takes the shape of the container it fills.

4) If a guy achieves location independence, I'd argue his best bet is to find a country whose culture supports his goals, rather than hope his wife won't be infected. In your End Game post ( /thread-5661-p...l#pid86547 ), you touch on this:

Quote:My wife is surrounded by bitter divorced women who are looking for very sneaky ways to poison her feelings against men. She resists it and I fight it, but she may yet slip and fall.

5) Most guys are attracted to girls that are exotic to them (and vice versa). So chances are they'll find Viet, Thai, Colombian, Brazilian, Polish, or Ukrainian girls more attractive than their American counterparts, depending on their tastes and how they look. Polish girls generally have bigger breasts than American girls, if that's your thing, for instance.

6) I'd argue culture is more about values than geography. I'd rather a wife come from a foreign culture that emphasizes traditional families than one where we happened to entertain ourselves similarly.

7) The US is huge, but the world is bigger.

These are excellent points. There is no perfect answer. Any man looking for a half-decent wife has a hard road to travel, and I'd never criticize his particular strategy. The odds are always stacked against you. The world will not help you.

But, as a man, that's been true for all of history. Building a stable and happy family is an act of will, takes incredible sacrifice.

Men do it because, well, that's what men do. That's what our fathers and grandfathers have done for a million years. We defy fate and take big risks to leave behind something larger than ourselves.

I know you are interested in women in their early 20s Travesty but for wife material, you might want to consider women in their mid 20s. They are much more likely to be mature and done sowing their wild oats. I've traveled quite a bit and pretty much everywhere I've been women in their early 20s have been prone to falling in and out of love at the drop of a hat.

In my international relationships and relationships in general I have always worked best with women who were educated and intelligent but not as educated and intelligent as me. For me at least I think it just helps me to stay in more of a leading role and mindset. Having said that, personally I would avoid super poor and uneducated girls. because even if they are sweet and sexy it can be very hard to bridge your two worlds.

Also, have you thought about Turkey? I was in Istanbul this summer for about a week and my impression was that it would be an excellent place for wife hunting. The girls are beautiful, educated, seemingly very wholesome and in general don't seem to like the local men so therefore seem to appreciate Western guys. Its also completely off most guy's radar so your competition from other western guys would be almost non-existent.

(08-23-2015 06:58 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  I like this suggestion of Mexico, I'm embarrassed to admit I haven't been there but have been to EE and SEA.

The mentality of Filipinos is definitely more alien than Mexicans as far as I can tell from living in USA and meeting many Mexicans, and coming up on a year here and dealing with Filipinos. I like Filipinos but I have no fucking idea what is going through their minds. It is absolutely opaque to me. I do not feel comfortable marrying someone when I don't know who she is.

VP, great wonderfully plotted out suggestions for getting out of The Cube. I have found part-time life coaching over Skype works great, and even a small amount of money makes a difference when your income is low. I leveraged a skill and license I already had and am making money and not in The Cube.
Living over seas even gives you MORE credibility with a certain market as they can see you are a person who can manage to have an interesting life.

I also agree with VP that most dating site girls have some type of problem, either extreme poverty, personality problems or health problems. It might not be anti-sociality, the ruthless party-girl type, it could also be depression, some level of Aspergers, I even met one girl who was clearly schizophrenic.

VPs idea of social network first and spending at least 6 months seems smart. I could not interpret Filipino social cues for at least that long. When you ask a question and they giggle, it means "no fucking way"; it's how they say "no."

Plus keeping her there ( in Mexico) would be much less deprivation, the flights and jet lag are an order of magnitude less stressful than going to Asia. I've read some of the Mexico threads, but are there any suggestions for locations to hunt with a decent lifestyle for the OP ( who is 30) and sneak some in for me (50s)?

Mexico's proximity may be favorable for several reasons:
-- while you're waiting for her papers to come through so she can come to the US, you can visit her easier
-- when you're married and she's in the USA, she can visit home more easily and cheaply so she won't get homesick
-- there are more resources in USA to make Mexicans comfortable even while they are in the USA....

Another off-the wall type idea is there are some cities in former East Germany that are coming up now and still have cheap housing. I've forgotten where but you can branch out there , go to Poland etc .

(08-23-2015 03:16 PM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ I will probably only end up trying the Phillipines if no other country sticks out to me before then. I think one of the ones I listed will though without a doubt.

In my over decade long observations and questions and conversations with older American guys who are happy with their international wives, the clear uncontested winner is the Philippines.

HOWEVER "Past Performance is Not Necessarily Indicative of Future Results."

Age trolling is the new race trolling and we really need to ease up on it. I'll be the first to say that if you are older than college age, trying to meet college girls on a college campus in the United States can be a struggle. Giovanny, who is older than me, has proven that a guy in his thirties or forties can get quality girls on U.S. colege campuses, but I also understand that he does a lot of approaches to get those results. Beyond that, if you are doing it right and aren't eighty years old or anything, your age should either be a help or shouldn't matter either way. Remember, when I was eighteen, guys were leaner, more masculine, more social, and had higher testosterone. A case can definitely be made that there is much less competition now and things have gotten easier for me with age. Likewise, for guys who are eighteen now, other guys will be even less competition. I'm just not seeing this age problem. The Mexico cakewalk posts, the Miami failure stories, and this age thing are the things I have the hardest time comprehending.

Well looks like Mexico and Vietnam are getting the strongest reviews.

I agree there are some good Southern and Midwestern girls.

Here is the problem with them though. Many many get fat in the late 20s / early 30s. Many. Then, they get REALLY fat. Boner Apocolypse Levels.

If I still in the U.S. I was thinking of a city to move to longterm as a home base that would have the best off chance of finding a good chick.

I am guessing the best U.S. cities for finding a long term chick (sweet not whore 7 in early-mid 20s):

- Chicago
- Minneapolis
- Atlanta
- Texas cities

I know with the Canada fiasco - but for real are Montreal chicks any good for being mothers or are they all quasi french floozies? Montreal seems like an interesting city.

(08-26-2015 04:09 AM)Travesty Wrote:  Well looks like Mexico and Vietnam are getting the strongest reviews.

I agree there are some good Southern and Midwestern girls.

Here is the problem with them though. Many many get fat in the late 20s / early 30s. Many. Then, they get REALLY fat. Boner Apocolypse Levels.

If I still in the U.S. I was thinking of a city to move to longterm as a home base that would have the best off chance of finding a good chick.

I am guessing the best U.S. cities for finding a long term chick (sweet not whore 7 in early-mid 20s):

- Chicago
- Minneapolis
- Atlanta
- Texas cities

I know with the Canada fiasco - but for real are Montreal chicks any good for being mothers or are they all quasi french floozies? Montreal seems like an interesting city.

Don't find a wife in Dallas, lol. Cougars galore.

If it is a Texas chick, move to some place like Colorado, etc where fitness levels are high so she is pressured to not get fat. (Also helps with divorce levels too).

Met a foreign chick who did high school exchange in East Texas. She says many of her friends married but also divorced early too after popping out kids. Something to ponder...

(08-26-2015 04:09 AM)Travesty Wrote:  I am guessing the best U.S. cities for finding a long term chick (sweet not whore 7 in early-mid 20s):

- Chicago
- Minneapolis
- Atlanta
- Texas cities

I know with the Canada fiasco - but for real are Montreal chicks any good for being mothers or are they all quasi french floozies? Montreal seems like an interesting city.

I used to live in Atlanta and Minneapolis. Can't recommend Atlanta for a few reasons:

1) Obesity in the US started in the South: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Obesi...5-2010.gif (also note that Colorado is usually the laggard on increasing obesity as time progresses)

2) Atlanta is heavy on careerist transplants from the rest of the country. If I was told correctly, it's the second largest market for lawyers, after Chicago - and I ran into many female lawyers in Atlanta.

3) With so many transplants, you also won't find many "Southern belles" in Atlanta. They exist, but they tend to live well outside the city and only come in for events. It's a car city. Most Southern former-sorority girls fancy themselves as Southern belles, but their heavy drinking lets you know they said yes to many a cock back in college.

4) The immigrant area - Buford Highway - as its name suggests, is unfortunately not walkable, and consists almost entirely of strip malls. But as this RoK article suggests, if you're stuck in Atlanta, it's your best bet, since it's where you'll find Latinas and Asian girls: /thread-32816.html

Minneapolis isn't bad though. Despite the weather, it's one of the fittest cities in the country. There was even a RoK article bumping it, though for a more traditional culture, Duluth may be better: http://www.returnofkings.com/9082/7-reas...at-for-men

All the above being said, I'd still recommend guys go abroad over staying in the US, for the reasons that have been beaten like a dead horse on this part of the Internet.

(08-23-2015 06:58 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  I like this suggestion of Mexico, I'm embarrassed to admit I haven't been there but have been to EE and SEA.

The mentality of Filipinos is definitely more alien than Mexicans as far as I can tell from living in USA and meeting many Mexicans, and coming up on a year here and dealing with Filipinos. I like Filipinos but I have no fucking idea what is going through their minds. It is absolutely opaque to me. I do not feel comfortable marrying someone when I don't know who she is.

I'm really surprised to hear this, especially coming from you! I don't mean that in a negative way though.

Filipinos are pretty basic in a lot of ways. At their root they are a deeply insecure people who are constantly looking for validation. Any relationship they get into..personal, business, or otherwise is predicated on insecurity.

If you look at modern day Philippines and its pop culture it's essentially some strange 1980's lifted version of what they think the U.S. is. The overdone mall culture, the fast food, the nature of the people..it's 80's.

What i'm pointing out is that Filipinos are a lost culture. They lost their traditional culture a long time ago and they're struggling to figure it out. This means there's a lot of weird mental conflict there with how they perceive the world.

I really like Filipinos too and by far the best lays i've ever had were from pinays. However..I don't think they are unpredictable at all. A lot of what they do is borne out of insecurity..that's why they are so adaptable too.

(08-26-2015 01:11 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  Age trolling is the new race trolling and we really need to ease up on it.

I don't know what you mean by trolling, I'm assuming you know nothing about what it's like being over 40 or 50

Young guys are taller than ever. I'm 5'9" and it was fine in the 70s. When you're next to a guy who's 6'4 (there are a lot more now) he's almost a whole head taller. You get blow out doubly, age and height.

Concur with Brosemite and 262. Be careful with Texas chicks. While they are considerable better, friendlier, more approachable than DC or Toronto, they aren't necessarily better for LTRs than anywhere else:

1. They get fat easily from too much mexican food and the car culture
2. They do try to act masculine out of Texan pride
3. They can drink anyone under the table
4. They ride the carousel hard especially before getting married or soon after a divorce... or worse, DURING marriage.

They can be fun and friendly, but marriage material? Caveat emptor.

(08-29-2015 09:34 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Concur with Brosemite and 262. Be careful with Texas chicks. While they are considerable better, friendlier, more approachable than DC or Toronto, they aren't necessarily better for LTRs than anywhere else:

1. They get fat easily from too much mexican food and the car culture
2. They do try to act masculine out of Texan pride
3. They can drink anyone under the table
4. They ride the carousel hard especially before getting married or soon after a divorce... or worse, DURING marriage.

They can be fun and friendly, but marriage material? Caveat emptor.

I think you could probably say this about many girls from the Deep South now too. They tend to let themselves get really fat after marriage and to generally let themselves go. I don't know too many older Southern white women who are not at least a bit overweight. This has been true for decades now too - so many slim & beautiful girls I knew in college are beasts now.

@Travesty - after seeing the students back in town here in Kiev these past few days I think you really need to put Ukraine on your list. It's one of the last bastions of thin, feminine & sexy women who want a man and to get married & settle down. Yesterday just seemed like an endless procession of 7s, 8s and 9s walking around this place.

^ For all the guys touting Colorado I lived there for 5 years in Boulder and Denver (the two best cities for chicks in the state).

As an example I went to a university Catholic church for a year or so. Out of 100 girls there was maybe 2 or 3 legit 7's and they had attitudes and game playing knowing they are the hottest chicks.

Denver is even worse.

For example in SoCal you can possibly find an a few 8's that act like 7's and 7's that act like 6's. There are so many here girls can act a point below. That said, there are so many male options they can easily give you a shot then move on quickly. California divorce rate is 70%+.

Look up Colorado on in search: Don't Bang Colorado by Hencredible Casanova... Int'l Playboy had another post.

I lived there 5 years and have chosen to write nothing on the state LOL.

Beyond there being a severe lack of 7's the girls dress and style plain as fuck. Also beyond this! Yes there aren't as many fatties it is more like many girls is 5-15lbs overweight instead of 20-40lbs which counts as obese in these studies.

Now on the other hand I think Colorado is an amazing place to raise children with the COL and the mountain/nature activities and outdoor culture. It was a depressing place for me to meet girls though.

I don't want to find one 7 and try to hold on to her for dear life, I like TravelerKai's approach much better go to a place where he had his pick of a handful of good chicks. A play from strength.

I will visit Austin myself to find out. I get along well with Texas girls in general.

Only option I can think of left in the U.S. is somewhere in the Carolinas or as said SLC.

I have been to SLC it has a very small town empty feeling to it. Denver is often a ghost town during the day on weekends. SLC feels like Denver Jr. in that regard to energy.



Anyone have an opinion on Raleigh and Charlotte? Worth visiting?

(08-29-2015 05:11 PM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ For all the guys touting Colorado I lived there for 5 years in Boulder and Denver (the two best cities for chicks in the state).

As an example I went to a university Catholic church for a year or so. Out of 100 girls there was maybe 2 or 3 legit 7's and they had attitudes and game playing knowing they are the hottest chicks.

Denver is even worse.

For example in SoCal you can possibly find an a few 8's that act like 7's and 7's that act like 6's. There are so many here girls can act a point below. That said, there are so many male options they can easily give you a shot then move on quickly. California divorce rate is 70%+.

Look up Colorado on in search: Don't Bang Colorado by Hencredible Casanova... Int'l Playboy had another post.

I lived there 5 years and have chosen to write nothing on the state LOL.

Beyond there being a severe lack of 7's the girls dress and style plain as fuck. Also beyond this! Yes there aren't as many fatties it is more like many girls is 5-15lbs overweight instead of 20-40lbs which counts as obese in these studies.

If Travesty is living in Santa Barbara, everywhere else in the United States may be a step down. For some people, Miami Beach may be on the same level or a step up, but that's about it.

^ Yes I doubt anywhere in the U.S. has as many young 7's on average per capita. Great for banging, bad for relationships. That's why I chose to live here up until now.

LA, OC, SD, NYC high end has more talent no doubt. Those places don't seem the best for a wife of course hah.

I want to find a Santa Barbara place (tons of young 7's) without the party girl side haha.

Chicago has quite a few 7's that are actually more my style than NYC 7's. I am more into the Scandanavian, Anglo-Saxon look which Chicago has and dislike the Italian and Jewish looks which NYC I noticed has a ton of.

I will have to visit Minneapolis myself to see what it has to offer.