Post: #26

(08-18-2015 05:49 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Well gentleman I texted this beauty at 7:58 PM last night (Hey what's up "dream girl" its OGNorCal707, how's it going?) and didn't hear back from her. If a chick doesn't hit me back the same night I usually just completely write it off and charge it to the game, there have been a very few rare occasions when a girl texted me the next day with some lame excuse. My phone just dinged a minute ago (3:40 pm), and I was expecting it to be my bro who is supposed to get back to me, it turned out to be dream girl and she wrote: "It's going well! Looking for another job. How about you?"

Part of me is like , but then another part of me is like


Game on?

Of course Game on my man! She's interested at the moment but not yet fully attracted to you in that way. My advice would be for you to create some comfort while trowing some attraction in there and going back and fort. An example would be: Yeah cool! I'm guessing your new job is ... (say your real first guess and tell her why you said it) It will get the ball rolling and then you can use those responses to go in the direction that you're used to go. Don't wait a day like she did, but maybe 1 or 2 hours to make her feel like you don't need to talk to her, you just want to. Keep us informed OG

Post: #27

"It's going well! Looking for another job. How about you?"

I'd put my money on this winner:

"A job as a stripper?"

Post: #28

A big part of veteran game is knowing how to game; when to push, when to pull and when to step it up or tone it all down. Once guys have this figured out, its only matter of calibration and it happens so subconsciously it comes off as natural (because it is).

OG played it right. These west coast towns are full of talent working shitty jobs like ice cream stands and flag shops. Also as Distant Lights said, treat these small towns like an extended house party. The whole place is your living room, no matter where you go you are exactly where you want to be.

Lots of excellent info already on this thread, heavy hitters already chiming in with solid game.

Damn it feels good.

Post: #29

OP

Do you have an update?

Post: #30

People need to let go of beta and alpha.

I buy girls drinks all the time. I tell girls they look beautiful. I beg girls to go out w/me on a Weds night. beta? alpha?

Its holding people back.

Just do what you want. Try to keep things with good energy. Don't be needy. Have fun.

Its really is that simple. Like anything else simple, I still manage to f-it up often.

Be like water. W/out shape or form. Adapt. Live. Flow.

Post: #31

^ Yeah I think we overthink game sometimes.

Just be a high value guy, work on yourself, get your shit together.

Be willing to approach and talk to girls in common and uncommon situations.

Lead and escalate.

Don't be needy.

Exercise your options.

K.I.S.S.!

Post: #32

Did you go out with her OP?

Post: #33

After wasting a couple of years following PUA advice to be the alpha, don't give a fuck, treat em mean etc I now use nice guy game almost exclusively and get much better results. If the attraction is already there then it builds comfort.

Post: #34

Alpha/beta dichotomies aside, the pedestrianization in this thread is making me cringe. Don't get hung up on this broad. She may be sexy as fuck and hitting all the right notes personality-wise, but always remind yourself there are millions of other girls around just like her and better. Don't rely on her or expect too much - in fact don't expect shit. Keep your expectations low and your options open and you won't be disappointed.

The vibe I'm getting from OP and follow up is that you are already invested far too much into this girl emotionally. Maintain your cool and have that abundance mentality. girls, especially hot ones, will dry up like a desert if they get any whiff of neediness or eagerness.

Just protect your ego bro and don't let some rando broad get you all bunched up. She's just another girl.

Post: #35

(08-28-2015 10:28 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  Alpha/beta dichotomies aside, the pedestrianization in this thread is making me cringe. Don't get hung up on this broad. She may be sexy as fuck and hitting all the right notes personality-wise, but always remind yourself there are millions of other girls around just like her and better. Don't rely on her or expect too much - in fact don't expect shit. Keep your expectations low and your options open and you won't be disappointed.

The vibe I'm getting from OP and follow up is that you are already invested far too much into this girl emotionally. Maintain your cool and have that abundance mentality. girls, especially hot ones, will dry up like a desert if they get any whiff of neediness or eagerness.

Just protect your ego bro and don't let some rando broad get you all bunched up. She's just another girl.

You're absolutely right I did pedestalize her hard, I even was conscious that I was doing it, but I guess she just hit all the right "attraction buttons" so the neurons in my brain were firing off full speed. It was like some dream sequence from Saved by the Bell, when Lisa enters the room, the cheesy music comes on and Screech goes into a dream state.

Ha all jokes aside, at this point I've basically failed with this chick, this may partially due to me acting a little overly interested, needy, and dare I say "beta." For the record my use of beta in the thread was mostly in jest.

I guess the post-script of what has happened or more like didn't happen is this, as I mentioned earlier in the thread she did reply to my initial text the next day in the afternoon.... I waited a couple hours and replied to her text, my text was a little long, but I was trying to create some banter, make some witty comments, and then I asked her another question.

That was on a Tuesday afternoon that I sent the second text, she never replied, and I figured that was that, then it was Thursday night (college night) and I was over at a buddy's place getting ready to head to the bars around 10 PM when I get a little Facebook notification. I got a friend request and I open it up to see that it's from "dream girl", at this point I'm pretty surprised, and kind of wondering what the deal is. I don't use Facebook really (only started it for Tinder), and I know Facebook requests don't mean jack shit, but I figured if she looked me up on there at 10 in the evening that can't be a bad sign?

Anyway I had this feeling that I was going to run into her at the bar, (it's a small town, she's a party girl, and she told me she likes to do Thursday college night). So anyway I get to the bar around 11 with my bros and sure enough she's there with her girls. The bar is packed, I was intentionally not trying to have more than 2 drinks, since I wanted to go to the gym and train hard the next day, and I hadn't been out to the bars in weeks. In other words to make excuses for myself I was feeling kind of out of my element, and was feeling a bit of approach anxiety.

It kind of felt like I was back in high school with a girl I like, where I didn't have the confidence to go in or know what to say when I did. I was trying to play it cool, but I would break my next every 5 minutes to get a glimpse at her. Basically she was sitting at the bar and had two big pretty boy frat boy jock types vying for her attention.

I kept telling myself I had to go in and run game, but I knew that I would be entering "enemy territory" and if I went in then I'd immediately have to battle with the other two guys for her attention, and they would certainly try to pull some B.S. AMOG shit on me.

So I ended up basically bitching out till the end of the night when I finally saw her free and standing by herself for a moment, I slid in and talked to her for about 10-15 minutes, and the conversation wasn't bad, but it was too little too late. The bar was closing soon, I couldn't get her a drink, and there wasn't enough tension or attraction for me to try to bounce her to another spot to chill.

The next day I kind of pulled another "beta" move out of my playbook, and while I again consciously knew it wasn't a strong move, I still decided to go through with it, against the little voice in my head that knew better.

I sent her a long winded text, basically trying to be humorous, joking about her being my Facebook friend and how I need more since I only have a total of like 8 friends on there, then I joked about how awesome my profile is (it's literally empty aside from a couple pics), and told her my friend's girlfriend started it to make me a tinder because she thought it would be fun.

I went on to say that it was nice seeing her at the bar and complimented her on looking good. She of course didn't reply at all to the text, which is basically what I was expecting anyway. I basically texted her to joke around and let her know I'm interested, and with the idea that it would keep her thinking about me in her head.

Anyway I ended up seeing her out again on Saturday (two night later), again I was out with the same group of guys, she was out with the same group of girls, except this time I did the opposite, I basically made it a point to ignore her. I decided I had acted too needy and needed to come off like I don't really care that much. I saw her when I walked into the bar she smiled and said hi to me, she was sitting at the bar with her two friends, I just nodded my head and walked by.

I made it a point to talk to other girls and have her see me, my buddies were claiming she was breaking her neck to look at me, but who knows if they were just trying to give me a confidence boost since they know I like her. Basically nothing happened that night, I just ignored her and I don't know if she was ignoring me, but she stayed on the other side of the bar.

So at this point, I'm considering it a more or less dead prospect, although I'll probably eventually run into her at the bars or around town, so there is always that slight hope that the door is still cracked and I can open it and go in.

I did some creeping on her instagram page and it appears that she does have a dude that she's involved with, from what I can gather he's some hippy surfer bro who's most likely growing weed on a farm somewhere out in the hills. Not to be a hater, but he's not your typical good looking dude, (he looks like Blake from Workaholics), but he does have swag and apparently has landed one of the hottest girls in this county.

Looking through her instagram I got a good idea of what this chick is like, and even though I still find her hot as hell, she's definitely not a chick that i would be compatible with for a long term relationship, so at least I've come back to earth in that regard, at this point I just want to ravage her body, because her body was built to be fucked.

It's funny how much she reminds me of my ex girlfriend she's a total hippy festival chick, and I'm so over that type. I get so annoyed with all the hippy bullshit about "the universe, and energy and vibrations aligning, etc." She's a total festival chick so along with that of course comes the drugs and the riding of the cock carousel. People like that try to act all spiritually inclined and deep, but just below the surface their just as self absorbed and narcissitic or more than most people in society.

So sorry for the long winded break down of basically what hasn't happened for me with this chick, my point was to give you guys an update and say I agree with General Stalin's post. Even though I still get that tingly feeling when I see her, I know that she's not a special snow flake and thoughts of us skipping hand in hand on a tropical beach into the sunset have subsided. Now I know that she's just meant to be a fuck doll whose body I must ravish if I am ever so lucky to have my chance.

Post: #36

Why don't you just ask her out?

OG: Hey there's a XX down in town X next Friday you down?

Post: #37

Don't beat yourself up too much about this, it can and does happen to the best of us. I went back through the whole thread and I don't remember seeing anything about you specifically asking her out on a date. It seems like you sent her some texts, tried to banter but never pulled the trigger. Just out of curiosity why didn't you get her on the phone and try to make specific plans with her?

Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole thing came off as you being just another orbiter who didn't want to directly ask her out. Am I missing something here?

Post: #38

the first time you saw her at the bar you needed to go over and say hi, use the false time constraint, don't be an orbiter. The old stuff is still good.

I feel you on how when you see a 'dream girl' it screws you all up though.

Post: #39

(08-28-2015 12:57 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  I sent her a long winded text, basically trying to be humorous, joking about her being my Facebook friend and how I need more since I only have a total of like 8 friends on there, then I joked about how awesome my profile is (it's literally empty aside from a couple pics), and told her my friend's girlfriend started it to make me a tinder because she thought it would be fun.

I went on to say that it was nice seeing her at the bar and complimented her on looking good. She of course didn't reply at all to the text, which is basically what I was expecting anyway. I basically texted her to joke around and let her know I'm interested, and with the idea that it would keep her thinking about me in her head.

Chalk it up to experience and take it as a lesson in frame control.

She could sniff your thirst and neediness like a bloodhound. I'm not gonna clown on you because we've all been there, and a lot of us are till there. Shit I had chump-tastic oneitis relapse just a couple months ago myself and got slapped for it - as I should have been.

Take these experiences as sobering realizations. It sounds depressing, but you really can't hang with a chick that you like too much - or on the flipside - you can't allow yourself to like a chick too much. A female has to be more interested in you than you are in her. It's one of the many burdens of being a man.

Post: #40

Yeah bad move on that long winded text, it was cool catching her by herself, sucks it was at the tail end.

Honestly Mech's right, I would've cut through all the BS strategy and straight up ask her out.

Obviously it probably was a no since she's already involved with some dude.

Post: #41

(08-28-2015 03:14 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Yeah bad move on that long winded text, it was cool catching her by herself, sucks it was at the tail end.

Honestly Mech's right, I would've cut through all the BS strategy and straight up ask her out.

Obviously it probably was a no since she's already involved with some dude.

Also you should've NEVER of added her on facebook and if she said something about it just blow her off like I don't use that dumb shit or something.

OG you've been here a long time you know better.

Post: #42

Part of the reason why I went "off script", knowing that I was violating vital game tenets is because I'm kind of getting tired of being so robotic and calculating about how I "run game." On the flip side of that there are tenets to game that amount to good game for a reason, because they are time tested formulas that have proven to work, whereas showing over eagerness, "neediness", or caring too much have also proven not to work.

That said part of me wants to just return to the old days when guys were just true to themselves and put themselves out on a limb, told a woman she's attractive, showed that they care, at the risk of seeming vulnerable, and not like the "aloof alpha" archetype that women are attracted to nowadays.

Before you guys jump to attack me I'm not trying to defend any missteps or mistakes I've made, or make excuses for having bad game, it's just that I find that "gaming women" in this current age is like running down a check list of moves. Waiting 2-3 days to text, waiting 30 minutes to reply to her text, acting like you don't care, etc. A lot of it also can feel incongruent to how I am actually feeling. This girl was inspiring my inner romantic beta who wanted to idealize her, maybe it wasn't correct to allow that part of me out while trying to run the proper game, but that's the part of me that wanted to come out, because that's the authentic feeling was at the time.

Not sure if I'm really making any sense or just talking in circles here, I guess a lot of what I'm feeling runs afoul of modern game dogma. It's kind of like the feeling I think Roosh tries to articulate about how the modern woman wants a "clown or a bad boy" not a genuine nice guy, and therefore a lot of "nice guys" have to put on a facade to be or act like someone they are not.

The sexual marketplace dictates the proper game, you can't really argue with what works. If I guy wants to go full 1950's beta with his game, he can expect a lot of disappointment and loneliness.

Anyway I guess this devolved into a bit of a rant, but to address some of the guys on here, yes I should have just asked her out, but considering she was ignoring my texts I figured she wasn't really that interested or giving me a lot to work with. She's officially a cold prospect, but I know I will cross her path sooner or later and who knows how either of us will be feeling at that point, I don't think it's a stretch to think I can possibly rekindle things again.

Post: #43

It might be robotic but you have to admit that it works !

Violate the tenets and you'll fail.

You got sprung man, and that happens. You see a dime piece and your jaw drops.

Gotta learn from it man.

I wouldn't hold out any hope, you know she's around town, you'll see her around.

Post: #44

Even the best players get hit hard by a smoking hot chick now and again. Live and learn.

Post: #45

(08-28-2015 03:30 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Part of the reason why I went "off script", knowing that I was violating vital game tenets is because I'm kind of getting tired of being so robotic and calculating about how I "run game." On the flip side of that there are tenets to game that amount to good game for a reason, because they are time tested formulas that have proven to work, whereas showing over eagerness, "neediness", or caring too much have also proven not to work.

That said part of me wants to just return to the old days when guys were just true to themselves and put themselves out on a limb, told a woman she's attractive, showed that they care, at the risk of seeming vulnerable, and not like the "aloof alpha" archetype that women are attracted to nowadays.

Before you guys jump to attack me I'm not trying to defend any missteps or mistakes I've made, or make excuses for having bad game, it's just that I find that "gaming women" in this current age is like running down a check list of moves. Waiting 2-3 days to text, waiting 30 minutes to reply to her text, acting like you don't care, etc. A lot of it also can feel incongruent to how I am actually feeling. This girl was inspiring my inner romantic beta who wanted to idealize her, maybe it wasn't correct to allow that part of me out while trying to run the proper game, but that's the part of me that wanted to come out, because that's the authentic feeling was at the time.

Not sure if I'm really making any sense or just talking in circles here, I guess a lot of what I'm feeling runs afoul of modern game dogma. It's kind of like the feeling I think Roosh tries to articulate about how the modern woman wants a "clown or a bad boy" not a genuine nice guy, and therefore a lot of "nice guys" have to put on a facade to be or act like someone they are not.

The sexual marketplace dictates the proper game, you can't really argue with what works. If I guy wants to go full 1950's beta with his game, he can expect a lot of disappointment and loneliness.

Anyway I guess this devolved into a bit of a rant, but to address some of the guys on here, yes I should have just asked her out, but considering she was ignoring my texts I figured she wasn't really that interested or giving me a lot to work with. She's officially a cold prospect, but I know I will cross her path sooner or later and who knows how either of us will be feeling at that point, I don't think it's a stretch to think I can possibly rekindle things again.

Right now there seems to be a fight going on in your inner game my friend! You already know all the game theory, but knowing them is not enough, you've got to internalize them as well. Judging by how you described your bar night, I'm guessing that you're probably a Good looking college athlete since your writing is giving me that vibe.

And there's nothing wrong with that, it's just that if you are in fact a college kid, you can afford and get by with so-so game in a college town. You seem to be getting by on looks primarily and I always advice guys who are into game to get out of that zone because after college this will lead you to the city known as Oneitis with a chick that won't be good for you. I hope I'm not being to harsh, but with your posting history and rep on here you've made Gaming mistake that you knew you were making, so deep down, you did want them to work.

You did want to have that idyllic relationship with this chick, even though you had the knowledge that it can't work in our times, especially for young hot college chick. I suggest that you leave Game alone for a little bit while you decide what exactly do you want from the Game? If you were a newbie no big deal because you live and you learn right, but from a 40 Rep point guy... it's clearly an Inner game issue and nothing else. I went through this fight myself and it's only when I decided what I wanted from the Game that Pedestalization and anxiety were taken care of. I suggest you do the same.

Post: #46

Bro I know you are a good dude, but WTF. That whole post was cringeworthy.

- Keep texts short. Logistics only esp for hot girls. Or picture texts and little blurbs.
- Date on a weekday night
- Date = light food +drinks or drinks only.
- Keep it local near you.
- Uber home
- Smash

If you happen to see her at a bar, go up and say hi IMMEDIATELY!!!!! You are her BEST FRIEND. You don't give a flying F-CK about her loser hanger-on try-hard b-tch boys. Vibe is like she is your best friend and she should be instantly happy to see you. Reality bubble distortion jedi-mind warp trick.

Introduce yourself to the guys too. Be cool. They will vanish in a instant if you stay around for over 30 seconds.

If not, grab her say "hey come here" Grab her hand and lead her away to the bar. Chat it up w/her solo.

At this point, Id just keep it casual and say hi to her everything you see here, then chit-chat for a bit then leave. See if her vibe changes.

Its truly harder to fix something than to do it right from the start.

Please don't f-ck w/biology and bio-mechanics.

The game owes you nothing, even if your EGO thinks that you deserve it. Everybody struggles the same.

Post: #47

OG's expectations best case scenario..

Post: #48

The only thing I would add is, you should have used Roosh's texting guide. It's really straightforward and would have saved you time and emotions.

Post: #49

I know the more experienced guys say hey there aren't any rules don't feel the need to not do this or that.

From someone worked up the ranks I would never recommend that to anyone that hasn't gone through the stage of being an absolute killer animal for a long stretch.

Sure when you know deep down from dozens of experiences when a chick is so attracted to you, you can show the confidence to be a little nice.

If a guy is learning and has ANY doubt about the attraction level or what is said in a chick's body language stick to the rules your odds are better.

It's like telling a guy to improv and change up the important solo of a song when he can only play the song in the first place with perfect concentration. You can't give that guy the same rules as a guy that could play the song blacked out up behind his neck.

OG's first mistake was making this post before he banged her. That's the truth.

What has me laughing, also sad at the same time is posts that at first said "do what you feel, do whatever!"

Now after result... "what the fuck!? here are rules to follow!"

I also want to say this: guys with the game level high enough to be nice, be romantic... LINUX, BlurredSevens, DVY, McQueens deep conversation stuff and so on these guys are the biggest killer animals of all. They build a girl up with this stuff and rip through them one after the other! Sure the girl may like and never forget them etc... but this game is for guys that usually have no qualms with doing this stuff with many many women over a year. Many usually at the same time.

It is another level of game and the skill to do it. It is still killer though in my book you are just adding a deeper comfort and attachment on top of the charm and game.

Many going this route tend to say things "I left a girl better than I found her", "I love all girls", "I want to bang and romance every girl in this city", "I fall in love all the time". The game and abundance is just so high they can do this... but come on...

This is the ultimate level of not caring about any single girl. It is the game version of female love greed, money making money for you piling up.

I am not hating I try to learn from these guys all the time.

Post: #50

Here's a brief outline I see of guys' mentality of how they deal with hotter chicks as they progress with game:

1) Oh God I hope she likes me!

2) How can I make her like me?

3) What can I do to have sex with this girl?

4) How can I fuck this chick as quick as possible?

5) What is there to like about this chick besides being able to fuck her?

6) Damn I hope there is at least something to like about this piece of ass! My time's important!

7) You know what I go for the ass I want that clicks with me and I love each and every one I tap!

OG was stuck on level 1 in this saga.

The guys in the last post I mentioned operate on level 7.