Rudebwoy, what I meant was that a hot girl that grows up around lots of white people with interest and hobbies that are white, she would have a preference for white guys. And if a hot girl grew up around blacks with interest in rap/hiphop music then she would prefer black guys. Hopefully this puts a better perspective on what I'm trying to say.

Coverdoc, this is not an argument about getting girls but about their preferences which is what I am arguing about with apollo. Now for example a woman prefers a tall guy but that doesn't mean a short can not pull her. Again were not talking about pulling here, were talking about their preferences just to keep things into perspective here.

Also are you still in mexico?

Also to your question, I think Mexican girls aren't really as color conscious as other race girls.

Blacktree - I totally disagree with that statement you made. A white girl who grows up around white people will on average date a white guy, that is who is in her social circle. That does not discount the fact that if a black guy is in that same circle, I can guarantee you one or more of those girls are going to be into him.

Recently, one of the daughters of the Rothschild family left her husband and started to date a black rapper by the name of Jay Electronica. The funny thing is that another relative of the same family did the same in the 50s, she "hung" out with Coltrane the jazz musician.

I have a Nigerian friend who lived in a country which I will not disclose. He had the opportunity to bang the Prime Minsters daughter.

I myself am speaking to a girl who drives a very expensive luxury car and I guess comes from money, she prefers to keep things very discreet and close to her chest.

If you have the mindset that hot white girls only want white guys then you are defeated already.

Girls are girls at the end of the day.

On a side note: hip hop music is so mainstream these days. In Suburbia where I live, it is usually everyone but black folks that plays that music loud in their cars.

Damn bro got banned already. Yes i'm still in Mexico but, my chick is from Germany. Some mexican girls are color consciousness but it's a small amount and usually the ones who spent a good amount of time in the U.S

@rudebwoy Ha so true, mostly in interracial dating people's mindset defeats themselves. And so funny, was with this rich dude and his GF they were blasting rap music like it was nobody's business.

-CD

(08-23-2015 01:23 PM)coverdoc Wrote:  Damn bro got banned already. Yes i'm still in Mexico but, my chick is from Germany. Some mexican girls are color consciousness but it's a small amount and usually the ones who spent a good amount of time in the U.S

@rudebwoy Ha so true, mostly in interracial dating people's mindset defeats themselves. And so funny, was with this rich dude and his GF they were blasting rap music like it was nobody's business.

-CD

Hey coverdoc, which city in Mexico are you in? I'm planning to do a 3-4 month language exchange this winter just outside of Mexico City if all goes well. Maybe this has been asked already but are you there for work?

(08-23-2015 04:43 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  From the looks of it, he's clearly enjoying himself. He doesn't need "game". All he needs
to do is be a cool brotha and keep throwing that ball to those sorority girls. That's his world
for the next four years.

SECURITY, ESCORT THIS MAN FROM THE PREMISES.

Guys who get sex EASILY because of status need game the most.


Rich and Famous Men Still Get Played: The Omarion Story

Rich and Famous Men Still Get Played Volume II: The Chris Brown Story

Rich and Famous Men Still Get Played Volume III: The Terrence Howard Story

Rich and Famous Men Still Get Played Volume IV: Rewinding The Donald Sterling Story

Rich and Famous Men Still Get Played Volume V: The Amir Johnson Story

Has Jariel taught you people nothing?

Remember this dude?

Russell Wilson



Look at the wife. Now look at the video.

Dude in the video could be Russell.

Now look at gameless Russell

He taking care some thug dude's kid



And he's not getting none of that used up single mom pussy...by choice

"Of paramount importance for the couple is their connection to God, and part of that includes their shared decision to remain celibate. "For me, I knew that God had brought me in her life to bless her and for her to bless me," Wilson said at a July 5 appearance at The Rock Church. "We're not going to be perfect, by any means. But He's anointed both of us and He's calling for us to do something special."

You young dudes think the game is all about getting the chick in the sack as fast as possible. Thinking you can pump and dump.

As Ice Cube once said, "You can't love em and leave em AND stay above em". A chick is at her most powerful when she is giving you the good sex. She gets you with your eyes, sometimes your ears - then she draws you into that box. At best you're banging out 60-90 minutes, but more like 25. Night and morning at the beginning. So drained, that you might not have it in you to go look for more. Probably don't have the coldness to kick the chick to the curb immediately. You're gonna wait till she fucks up to fade out on her.

Accept that it never goes according to plan, UNLESS you have game.

The more chicks you slay, the more you deal with - you are going to think it's really about them - when all the time it's been about you. You coulda been fucking these Alabama Sorors YEARS AGO, but your mind held you back. With a a couple dozen notches under your belt - you think you got it figured out - then you meet your match - a chick who's gonna make you go the distance. Call her a 9, call her a 10.

She might make you wait on the pussy, but that's amateur hour. Intermediate dude can wait any chick out, cause he's a dozen on his doorstep.

She might give it up fast, but you'll end up giving up more - cause you think the game is over - when after you fuck her, she starts fucking you.

The game has only just begun.

Game is from the second they lay eyes on you to the second you close your eyes for the last time.

How many pussy getters, famous, rich and powerful men have fallen victim to a smart bitch? She might not even be that book smart. She might not even be that people smart to be honest, but once she gets her hooks in you....

How you gonna be a business cutthroat, NFL hitman, people know your face in China and still get fucked by a chick? Men that men look up to, follow, depend on, inspired by - real alphas - often can't handle the woman in their lives.

Why?

Lack of game.
Thinking they know everything.

Gets em, every time.

WIA

(08-23-2015 03:19 PM)GranMarnier Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 01:23 PM)coverdoc Wrote:  Damn bro got banned already. Yes i'm still in Mexico but, my chick is from Germany. Some mexican girls are color consciousness but it's a small amount and usually the ones who spent a good amount of time in the U.S

@rudebwoy Ha so true, mostly in interracial dating people's mindset defeats themselves. And so funny, was with this rich dude and his GF they were blasting rap music like it was nobody's business.

-CD

Hey coverdoc, which city in Mexico are you in? I'm planning to do a 3-4 month language exchange this winter just outside of Mexico City if all goes well. Maybe this has been asked already but are you there for work?

Hey i'm in DF currently, will be here for at least another month. I'm actually in school, but on a break right now. I have a savings and trade some stock options on the side so no working for me.

-CD

When it comes to the question of interracial dating, I think two languages are being spoken on this thread: The "Normal Real World" perspective vs the "Lopsided Anti-Black Male America" perspective. I notice that a lot of the black guys who are saying "the majority of non-black women will give black men a chance" are either from Canada, the UK, or somewhere else not in the States. So at this point, we can conclude that the world outside the USA is more of a fair playing ground for black men.

To be honest, these international reports are good and I look forward to more. But to be honest, they all seem to dwindle down to "It's better for black men them America". Reports about where black men, particularly non-stereotypical ones, would do well within the United States would be slightly more useful at this point. Personally, I'm trying to pay off all my debts before I spend thousands of $$$ to travel internationally, but am willing to do some inexpensive domestic travel in the meantime just to maintain my sanity from and escape the overt racism and intraracial prejudice (yes, hood culture is the dominant and ruling subculture of Black America) of the region I currently live in. And as for the Alabama sorority video where the black guy is throwing a football, that just convinces me even more that the South isn't the most racist region like the Northeast-based MSM wants you to believe. Where I live, we get a lot of transplants who bring their racist ways with them. A lot of them have licenses from a particular part of the country, and it isn't the South.

Sus, the most important thing to be gleaned from these podcasts is a mindset. Gain an abundance mentality and to stop worshipping lizards of any race. Deploy a strategy to insert oneself in the best locations to start reaping from whichever lizards you desire but the mindset is the most important.
I think possibly that in America, a lot of lizards associate the black mentality with this hip hop loving, pants saggin, blunt smoking movement and therefore try and limit black men to this. They think that black men are either goons or geeks. Most of the men on this forum fall towards what they consider geeks since I can imagine that the heavy use of ebonics is not dispensed in every day life.

I, myself, fall into what lizards assume to be geek. Most American lizards can't figure me out as there is not enough of my kind on BBC America for them to get a trace on how I think and behave. Even if there is, I still don't fall under one umbrella as I did not spend my entire life in the UK so I am a mish mosh of different things.

So even if you are homegrown black American, well spoken, well travelled, well read/educated, you can use the art of subterfuge to wrangle some fanny. With the white lizards in America, they may only have hip hop figures as a reference to how they imagine you to behave. You can play hot and cold with them and hit them with some nerd references (travel, places you would like to travel, hobbies outside of 'black hobbies') which would be COLD and then hit em up with some HOT (passion for hip hop, NFL excitement, boxing, basketball whatever is more stereotypical).
I only imagine that black guys on here who are homegrown Americans and want something new DO have those experiences which I gather just from the interviews and just general posts that I have read. This, in combination, with going to spots off of the beating track can only add to how much you reap in your quest.

Do bear in mind that there is only so much water you can get from a stone and this is why guys do recommend that unnu haffi get your gwap up and just do some small travelling.

Regarding the nerd methods, I have knocked down some hood pu$$y in the subterfuge method and they have been surprised as they tease me about my enunciation to find me pulling those thongs to the side to access the slit.

Do please bear in mind that I cannot pull true hood rats who like their men ignorant and have no interest in the outside. I am not willing to compromise who I am to that degree to get that kind of ass. All the lizards I have gotten have some interest in foreigners and a desire to travel. This is where I pique interest. If they find black dudes with no ebonics in their accent the bane of existence, I can not get water from that particular stone.

This goes back to game...knowing when to pull out, cut your losses and move on to other territory. This will be covered along with posted questions in our next podcast.

(08-24-2015 09:13 AM)Moma Wrote:  I think possibly that in America, a lot of lizards associate the black mentality with this hip hop loving, pants saggin, blunt smoking movement and therefore try and limit black men to this. They think that black men are either goons or geeks. Most of the men on this forum fall towards what they consider geeks since I can imagine that the heavy use of ebonics is not dispensed in every day life.

If I have to change myself to fit some silly cartoon stereotype, I'll happily stay single. Can't deal with people who can't separate pop culture from reality. What's next, women won't talk to Asian guys because they flunked math in high school? And yes, I'm agreeing with you, you'll see a lot of that here in the United States. And I like hip-hop (more of the underground kind) and the NFL, but don't speak ebonics and prefer college basketball to NBA.

I'm glad this is being spoken about more--and I'm glad guys are stepping up and realizing we can date whoever we want. It simply doesn't do for black american men to limit themselves to one race of women. Never had the belief that my skin made the game harder for me.

(08-24-2015 09:43 AM)Fortis Wrote:  I'm glad this is being spoken about more--and I'm glad guys are stepping up and realizing we can date whoever we want. It simply doesn't do for black american men to limit themselves to one race of women. Never had the belief that my skin made the game harder for me.

It really doesn't. I live in the D.C area, where the hate for it is unparalled on this forum, and I see black men involved in interracial relationships almost daily with beautiful women. Maybe a decade ago it was a problem, but things are changing for the better.

Good points Moma. With that being stated, I just find that on the East Coast/Northeast, unless you're a walking stereotype, you're battling an uphill battle for any play from females. I'm more of a mix between a jock and a nerd with my interests, but society has a strict threshold when it comes to black men and masculinity; either you're an All-Out-Gangsta/Trap King/Swag Master or you're a dweeb beta eunuch. There's no such thing as an "in between" for black men according to society over here. Now I know for a fact there's more leeway out West and definitely once you leave the USA, but I don't have a _________ Engineering degree where I can just up and move to wherever I want and get a job within 1-2 weeks, lol. But that's my bad, which is why I'm being a miser with my money to be debt-free before going back to college. Nonetheless, I honestly can't wait for your next podcast about strategizing on locations and cutting your loses.

(08-24-2015 09:49 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 09:43 AM)Fortis Wrote:  I'm glad this is being spoken about more--and I'm glad guys are stepping up and realizing we can date whoever we want. It simply doesn't do for black american men to limit themselves to one race of women. Never had the belief that my skin made the game harder for me.

It really doesn't. I live in the D.C area, where the hate for it is unparalled on this forum, and I see black men involved in interracial relationships almost daily with beautiful women. Maybe a decade ago it was a problem, but things are changing for the better.

Then I really need to move Outside of the Beltway where the real integration is (at least for now). Because Inside the Beltway, with the exception of perhaps Silver Spring and the surrounding towns, DC's racial attitudes are a bastardized combination of Atlanta and Boston. For me, I've just had a very bad upbringing in the DC Area being stuck with a typical Black DC provincial family and community that ostracizes anything and anyone who wants to do better for themselves. So between that and the general intense segregation that is the rule of the day in and around the city, I've just had it up to here and the mental scars are more than evident. I'll admit that like Moma said, I need to change my mindset, but the people around here make having an "abundant mindset" very difficult.

@Moma

Like we touched on in our podcast, I would say NOT fitting into one of those nice, neat boxes actually adds to your appeal and mystique with many women across the spectrum

We live in a society of categorization, where everything is placed into definable categories/sub-categories for easier digestion and qualifying/disqualifying purposes.

If you don't play within these parameters you will be seen as a threat to some, but deeply intriguing to others.

(08-24-2015 11:18 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  @Moma

Like we touched on in our podcast, I would say NOT fitting into one of those nice, neat boxes actually adds to your appeal and mystique with many women
across the spectrum

We live in a society of categorization, where everything is placed into definable categories/sub-categories for easier digestion and qualifying/disqualifying purposes.

If you don't play within these parameters you will be seen as a threat to some, but deeply intriguing to others.

MDP - this is so true.

People feel comfortable around "coons" who are shucking and jiving.

But like you said, once you act out of those parameters, you are a threat in the workplace and in society. This is some deep stuff which I am not sure a lot of guys realize how deep this goes.

(08-24-2015 10:31 AM)SuS Wrote:  Then I really need to move Outside of the Beltway where the real integration is (at least for now). Because Inside the Beltway, with the exception of perhaps Silver Spring and the surrounding towns, DC's racial attitudes are a bastardized combination of Atlanta and Boston. For me, I've just had a very bad upbringing in the DC Area being stuck with a typical Black DC provincial family and community that ostracizes anything and anyone who wants to do better for themselves. So between that and the general intense segregation that is the rule of the day in and around the city, I've just had it up to here and the mental scars are more than evident. I'll admit that like Moma said, I need to change my mindset, but the people around here make having an "abundant mindset" very difficult.

I grew up with the exact same stuff in Baltimore. Sadly I don't know how urban black people's attitudes took such a turn for the worse after the 1960s. I enjoy the company of older blacks from the Korean War/Vietnam War eras who grew up in a generation of two parent homes and where the women loved sharp dressed men who were educated and well spoken. Dealing with many American blacks (outside of this forum of course) under 50 years of age is a pain. From many of the youth that embrace thug culture to the middle aged crab-in-the-barrell, always crying about racism types, it can be hard sometimes. My grandfather grew up in Mississippi and saw black bodies being hung from trees in the 1950s and he doesn't bitch half as much about 'The Man' as many blacks do today. I noticed I like being around Southern blacks a lot more than the ones in the Northeast (I know D.C and Baltimore are technically considered the South but they are culturally and economically Northeastern).

As for dating in D.C, I know what you mean, but I have seen things improve interracial wise a bit in the last ten years. I only say that because I went to College Park a decade ago during the Republican Bush II presidency, where it seemed like white girls in the area were acting like wanna-be rednecks blasting their country music and pretending they were from the "South" while real Southerners were laughing at them. I remember the sneers I would get in college trying to talk to white women which bordered on outright hate. Now with a Liberal mixed-race President, they thought "well I can pop out little Obamas too!" and are jumping on the swirling bandwagon. Goes to show you women just follow trends and go with the flow. With a Hillary presidency expect a rise in bitchier attitudes and pantsuits at D.C happy hours.

(08-24-2015 12:06 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  But like you said, once you act out of those parameters, you are a threat in the workplace and in society. This is some deep stuff which I am not sure a lot of guys realize how deep this goes.

Would be a nice topic to go more in depth on during a podcast. It is true that few are really aware of how deep this goes, but more dialogue online about the dynamic might go a ways toward solving that problem.

I feel as though a majority of non-black women will date only date outside of their race if there is a significant SMV imbalance. Ultimately, I think any non-black girl is going to be attracted to a black guy if the SMV imbalance makes up for any negative preconceived notions she may have about his race. Of course, not too great (Idris Elba could approach the hottest girl in (x) small town in Texas, and she would reject him on principle). With that being said, where I am from, I have seen A LOT of interracial relationships involving black men, and know a lot of mulatto girls. I don't think it's as difficult to get girls of other races as some of the more self-defeating of us may think. However, I think we have it a bit harder than white guys when it comes to batting above our SMV (though we're still second compared to other races, IMO).

(Obviously this could apply to ALL relationships, but in my experience, it has most exemplified itself in interracial couples.)

Also, just in case this hasn't been posted here.

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(08-26-2015 07:45 AM)dads Wrote:  I feel as though a majority of non-black women will date only date outside of their race if there is a significant SMV imbalance.

This is especially true during marriage, which I dub de facto wealth transfers in many cases. One needs to look no further than the many rich Black athletes like Tiger, that marry women way below their new found social standing, only to get taken to the cleaners later.

(08-26-2015 07:45 AM)dads Wrote:  I feel as though a majority of non-black women will date only date outside of their race if there is a significant SMV imbalance. Ultimately, I think any non-black girl is going to be attracted to a black guy if the SMV imbalance makes up for any negative preconceived notions she may have about his race. Of course, not too great (Idris Elba could approach the hottest girl in (x) small town in Texas, and she would reject him on principle). With that being said, where I am from, I have seen A LOT of interracial relationships involving black men, and know a lot of mulatto girls. I don't think it's as difficult to get girls of other races as some of the more self-defeating of us may think. However, I think we have it a bit harder than white guys when it comes to batting above our SMV (though we're still second compared to other races, IMO).

(Obviously this could apply to ALL relationships, but in my experience, it has most exemplified itself in interracial couples.)

Also, just in case this hasn't been posted here.

And that is the problem with the SMV metaphor. It limits your thinking, which then limits your actions, which then limits your results.

If you want your game to be good, you have to reject
- sexual market place value
- alpha/beta dichotomies
- the determinative aspects of the red pill

You seriously think that Heidi Klum couldn't find a white guy that looks better than Seal? Richer? More famous? More talented? She was a Victoria's Secret Angel - arguably the top of the attractive white woman food chain. Objectively, it'd be harder to find a woman that is more attractive than her.



But destructive ideas like SMV, Alpha Beta, Evo-Psych, et cetera says this is not possible.

Yet I see these kinds of pairings fairly regularly.

Who am I to believe, my eyes or some wacky internet theory?

The guys really pushing the SMV idea look like trolls under the bridge. Thin, sickly, pale, goofy looking faces....yet their results don't match up with the theory. So if these guys are objectively 4's, you should never see them with 7's

WIA

Archie coming in hard for the win!

I had a friend in London who worked with Heidi way before she married Seal. He mentioned how "cool" she was and seemed really impressed by her personality.
She went on live TV after she married Seal and said what attracted her was when she saw his package. I think deep down she had a preference for black men or should I say she was pre-disposed to liking Black men.
In her case it was a money/status thing, she had already popped out a child for Flavio Briatore former F1 Boss and head of Beneton Clothing line.

I stumbled across this musician Gary Clark Jr.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/art...azaar.html

(08-26-2015 12:53 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 12:06 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  But like you said, once you act out of those parameters, you are a threat in the workplace and in society. This is some deep stuff which I am not sure a lot of guys realize how deep this goes.

Would be a nice topic to go more in depth on during a podcast. It is true that few are really aware of how deep this goes, but more dialogue online about the dynamic might go a ways toward solving that problem.

Glad you are listening.
In the next podcast we will delve more into this topic. This is a tough question but one that needs to be answered.
Feel free to PM us if you have any more.

@WIA: Preach brudda

some girls are with it, some aren't.

neither of those things really stop a man from spitting game.

Latest podcast with Rudebwoy and Moma:

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Also we would like more feedback, whether negative or positive. We are big men and can handle a little criticism, you can email us your thoughts.

Also add us on Twitter, we would like to connect with a lot of you out there. (LizardHunters13)

Lastly, we would love to connect with brothas that are outside of North America. It doesn't have to be about game/chicks, we would like to hear about your experiences living in certain countries. At the end of the day, we are all looking for a place with the right balance.