Post: #26

At some point you should move past clubs and meet girls in other places.
Especially if you're over 35. There are just better places to meet girls at
where you can have real conversations.

Private parties and events attract girls that are much better quality
in just about every single category. Plus they tend to be more genuine
and available.

Post: #27

I'm in the UK and Clubs for listening/dancing to good music are declining and have been for years. Clubs for looking good and meeting members of the opposite sex are going as strong as they've always been. Its about finding the right venues at the right time.

Post: #28

(08-22-2015 12:26 PM)lush1 Wrote:  Its about finding the right venues at the right time.

99% of the clubs are hit-and-miss propositions.

You can go one night and it's dead, one night and it's poppin' and full of available girls, one night and it's poppin, but full of couples, one night and it's a sausage fest, one night and there are girls, but you're not really feelin' anybody.

It's just like a sporting event; until you step in the arena, and the ball goes up, you don't know how the game is going to play out.

Post: #29

(08-22-2015 12:40 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 12:26 PM)lush1 Wrote:  Its about finding the right venues at the right time.

99% of the clubs are hit-and-miss propositions.

You can go one night and it's dead, one night and it's poppin' and full of available girls, one night and it's poppin, but full of couples, one night and it's a sausage fest, one night and there are girls, but you're not really feelin' anybody.

It's just like a sporting event; until you step in the arena, and the ball goes up, you don't know how the game is going to play out.

Indeed, finding the right venue at the right time often involves sheer luck regarding ratios etc, but I think thats always been the case.

Post: #30

(08-22-2015 12:26 PM)lush1 Wrote:  I'm in the UK and Clubs for listening/dancing to good music are declining and have been for years. Clubs for looking good and meeting members of the opposite sex are going as strong as they've always been. Its about finding the right venues at the right time.

I'm assuming you mean bar lounges? You need to rely on gamemanship and social proof there along with your look. The women hanging around these lounges are usually a mixed bag of ages and career stages with the occasional 18/19 year old party entourage.

Pulling them out of their group setting is difficult as the drunkenness level isn't the same as full-on clubs or bars.

Post: #31

The better looking you are the better you will do at bars, the more game you have the better you will do with day game.

Post: #32

(08-22-2015 02:03 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 12:26 PM)lush1 Wrote:  I'm in the UK and Clubs for listening/dancing to good music are declining and have been for years. Clubs for looking good and meeting members of the opposite sex are going as strong as they've always been. Its about finding the right venues at the right time.

I'm assuming you mean bar lounges? You need to rely on gamemanship and social proof there along with your look. The women hanging around these lounges are usually a mixed bag of ages and career stages with the occasional 18/19 year old party entourage.

Pulling them out of their group setting is difficult as the drunkenness level isn't the same as full-on clubs or bars.

No I mean clubs, but the type of clubs where people go to look good rather than get hammered and dance to crap muisc.

Quote:Posted by Natural Born Gyalist - Today 08:27 PM
The better looking you are the better you will do at bars, the more game you have the better you will do with day game.

If you are good looking clubs are the most efficient use of your time rather than bars or lounges. Just go caveman an play the numbers game.

Post: #33

(08-19-2015 01:01 PM)jariel Wrote:  
Being able to dance is a great skill, I can pretty much go anywhere and ask a girl to dance with me, and I'll make her look good, but you need an environment where girls actually want to dance and not just sit around and bullshit, and you have to understand that being able to dance more often than not gets you a "thank you" at the end and not much more.

I love jariel's superbly-placed humblebrags in all of his posts.

Post: #34

(08-22-2015 12:40 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 12:26 PM)lush1 Wrote:  Its about finding the right venues at the right time.

99% of the clubs are hit-and-miss propositions.

You can go one night and it's dead, one night and it's poppin' and full of available girls, one night and it's poppin, but full of couples, one night and it's a sausage fest, one night and there are girls, but you're not really feelin' anybody.

It's just like a sporting event; until you step in the arena, and the ball goes up, you don't know how the game is going to play out.

Yep, and usually they charge cover just to check what's inside so it's almost never worth it. Like buying scratch tickets.

I seriously prefer street game to club game nowadays. That's how bad I think most clubs are.

Post: #35

Quote:Yep, and usually they charge cover just to check what's inside so it's almost never worth it. Like buying scratch tickets

Persinally if I go to a club I have someone gettin me in for free, or heavily discounted with drink tickets worth more than what I paid in amission.

Before that tho, id play the my friend said hed be inside can I go check for him real fast trick to scout before my buddies and I would go in. That may not work in anything outside a major city tho.

Post: #36

The ratios at the bars near me seem to get worse and worse every time I go - and this is in a city notorious for bad ratios already. I am finding day game to be more generally productive.

Gotta get into some social circle game once I get off the night shift and can actually have a substantial social life again.

Post: #37

I think the so called decline is more of an issue in English speaking countries. What I am interested about is how it's outside the Anglosphere. For example,just saw this...http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.co.at/2015/08/die-night-club-industry-die.html



Issues like parking fees ,extremely high covers aren't an issue everywhere. Also I know that due to restrictions as well as cultural forces on when bars and pubs are allowed to operate in the UK,Ireland and pretty much everywhere in the US,Canada and Australia leads to people clubbing and girls feeling creeped out by dudes who are clearly waisted at 10pm significantly raising their bitch shields.


Any input from anywhere else in the world,especially continental Europe,that's more of what I was trying to find out.

Post: #38

Decline? Nope!!! In terms of actual good venues and parties YESSSSSSS...

I am a guy who loves nightlife overall...
- The music is #1 (which has sunk to an all time low)
- Fun & Interesting SOCIAL PEOPLE (Hit or miss...Which is why private parties are so much more common and "lounging" hospitality is making a comeback as it creates that living room feeling more than a loud club)
- Hot chicks (Always go to high end venues or edgy hipster spots anywhere else should be just to chill and hang with your social circle)
- Social Endurance (Most people aren't used to going out much far less those who can party all night hitting day parties, going hard back to back to back nights, inviting people to do dinners at restaurants)

For me nightclubs are turkey shoot ESPECIALLY shitty venues because no one really is being social or having fun. Men are working there mental processes to hit on chicks and women are taking IG pictures hoping FINALLY some cool shit happens in a club since they aren't going to "work the room"

For me I am hating NY Nightlife due to the music...Gives me no incentive to truly DO IT UP as there is no energy in shit-hop

On a more topic friendly note EDM trend in high end venues fucked up there EXCLUSIVE BIZ MODEL when what is called "general pop" shows up complaining that some PRIVATE PARTY has there fav DJ is in there and its obvious it isn't PRIVATE just they are trying to maintain that old "models n bottles" formula.

I now must adapt ACCEPTING music is shit now and gone back to shit-hop along with celebs. EVERY WEEK some rapper is at the club and is being used as the attraction as opposed to back in the day you were thinking "where is the venue with the toughest door?" If you do a Google search of "NY toughest nightclub doors" they STOPPED with such articles. (As they did with the dynamic of men bringing hot women to rich men for the sake of them spending more money and potentially getting laid. Think tiger woods incident, the Rachel chick used to be a VIP host in NY prior to moving to las Vegas working for the same NY company.)

Anyone who has a tough time in clubs simply are just 1 of the better "nightcrawlers" who are just there to potentially get there dick wet. I dropped that years ago and just focused on having a solid social life which resulted in me making many connections and able to dictate my nightlife experience in a way where 99% of the time I am amongst an amazing ratio. Were talking as high as 10 to 1 girl guy ratio to a rare minimum of 2 to 1. (Some of my natural friends would consider 2 to 1 ratio as abad night in terms of the crowd)

For me personally only because I have lots of friends in those realms I keep 1 foot in...HOWEVER, I surely will be going to more underground stuff as I need GOOD MUSIC its the main reason I like going out. I could be in a 95% filled venue and will still have a blast...

Actually in 2012 for a good 3 months I was going to a lot of hipster/gay parties. On top of that...
1. A gay party run by an ex party monster club kid used to be my spot literally only 1-8 girls max BUT some of the most mind blowing music. (Adding a gay crowd to the mix in a venue will 100% make it a better atmosphere) I have pulled chicks in bathroom at these parties.

2. One of my fav social circles was this gay connector who was AMAZING!!! if he were straight he would KILL IT no doubt. He is who introduced me to drinking and partying hard. Usually I was the only straight guy minus a few shady drug dealers. HOWEVER, I once brought my military friend to join me and he too seen what actually having fun could cause. We've double pulled model chicks (this was only gay guy in high end scene at the time who brought a solid gay/hipster crowd. Olsen twins is one of his close friends and Lindsay Logan is part of that social circle)

Posting too much as I get nostalgia just talking about it. NOWADAYS, I tend to just want to go out solo and just have fun as its tougher to find actual social people who like to let loose.

P.S...I watched videos of me at one of my fav venues in 2011-2012 compared to 2014-2015 its like seeing 2 different people. 2011-2012 you woulda thought it was my bday everyday.

Post: #39

I think no question clubs have been declining, but you can still have a great night there.

Private parties, lounges, day game, street game are all better I think.

Post: #40

(08-26-2015 08:36 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  ...For me personally only because I have lots of friends in those realms I keep 1 foot in...HOWEVER, I surely will be going to more underground stuff as I need GOOD MUSIC its the main reason I like going out. I could be in a 95% filled venue and will still have a blast...

We're on the same page about the music. I've touched briefly on this before, but it can be a deal breaker for me. Nothing worse than getting your eardrums blown out by some stupid shit, surrounded by people who either don't/can't dance or are probably on their phones, and simply aren't fun. Call me a snob, it's all good, but mainstream venues are playing mainstream shit and everything else falls in line. Being discerning about the music actually makes it easier in a sense, because if you know the right spots/parties/deejays you can pass on the bullshit and head directly for better vibes and more interesting and fun crowds.

Post: #41

Club life has definitely gone downhill here in Finland mostly for these reasons; people's lives revolve more around the Internet, women are much fatter than 15 years ago (I mean it's almost night and day), people have less money to spend because of the tough economy here, there are much more immigrants (pretty much exclusively men) from Africa and Turkey in the nightlife, and young people also drink less alcohol in general than before!

Of course the Internet and obesity epidemic are pretty much universal phenomenons affecting most countries around the world. North Korea is excluded... For now.

Post: #42

Club game is all about looks. I am rubbish at daygame, streetgame, social circle game, i literally have no game but i am very good looking and i get tons of pussy in clubs. I mean if you have game you can get results as well, but if you are really hot you need absolutely no game to pull like crazy

Post: #43

(09-11-2015 06:34 AM)esermon Wrote:  Club game is all about looks. I am rubbish at daygame, streetgame, social circle game, i literally have no game but i am very good looking and i get tons of pussy in clubs. I mean if you have game you can get results as well, but if you are really hot you need absolutely no game to pull like crazy

Pretty much. I've noticed a trend that good looking and/or built people prefer the bar/club environment while people who aren't as attractive would prefer to game in an environment where their other qualities can shine through. I've never made a single day game approach because if I go out 2-3 times a week I have the opportunity to pull with little to no effort. So why make something harder than it has to be? Maybe when I'm looking for something more serious than a one night stand that will change because you won't find interesting girls with morals in a club. All down to what you want out of game.

Post: #44

(09-11-2015 09:08 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  Pretty much. I've noticed a trend that good looking and/or built people prefer the bar/club environment while people who aren't as attractive would prefer to game in an environment where their other qualities can shine through. I've never made a single day game approach because if I go out 2-3 times a week I have the opportunity to pull with little to no effort. So why make something harder than it has to be? Maybe when I'm looking for something more serious than a one night stand that will change because you won't find interesting girls with morals in a club. All down to what you want out of game.

Totally agree with that. I've never understood day game, it always seemed counter-intuitive to me to go out with your sole purpose being to score. Almost that its a waste of time, considering day time is much better used for professional improvement or sports/exercise.

I've always had the best results (and most fun) when I just go out with the guys for drinks, then go to a busy bar / nightclub later on in the night and hit on the girls there. That way youre actually having fun with your mates, as well as getting laid. A much better use of time.

It doesn't take much to have passable club game, either. Just go workout consistently for a year or two and then wear fitted clothes that show off your body - anyone can do it.

Post: #45

(09-12-2015 01:08 PM)zatara Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 09:08 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  Pretty much. I've noticed a trend that good looking and/or built people prefer the bar/club environment while people who aren't as attractive would prefer to game in an environment where their other qualities can shine through. I've never made a single day game approach because if I go out 2-3 times a week I have the opportunity to pull with little to no effort. So why make something harder than it has to be? Maybe when I'm looking for something more serious than a one night stand that will change because you won't find interesting girls with morals in a club. All down to what you want out of game.

Totally agree with that. I've never understood day game, it always seemed counter-intuitive to me to go out with your sole purpose being to score. Almost that its a waste of time, considering day time is much better used for professional improvement or sports/exercise.

I've always had the best results (and most fun) when I just go out with the guys for drinks, then go to a busy bar / nightclub later on in the night and hit on the girls there. That way youre actually having fun with your mates, as well as getting laid. A much better use of time.

It doesn't take much to have passable club game, either. Just go workout consistently for a year or two and then wear fitted clothes that show off your body - anyone can do it.

Daygame doesn't have to be a concentrated effort where you set aside a couple of hours to run up and down the main shopping street spamming approaches. That's one way to do it, but it can also just be saying hi to a cute girl you see in the supermarket or on your way to somewhere, and having a brief conversation and getting a number or setting up a date.

Priorities also change for many people as you get older. Nightgame was all I did in my late teens and throughout my twenties, but as I got past 30 (and now getting very close to 40) my desire for going out on a regular basis - aside from a couple of beers or dinner with friends or dates - took a nosedive.
I forced myself to keep doing it at least a couple of times a month in the first half of my 30s (it was really the only way I knew how to meet women, and my dwindling social circle from my younger years and freelancing job that gave me no new contacts, left me feeling with few other options to meet women than continuing to hit up the bars and clubs), but I was rarely enjoying it very much.

I've been to clubs maybe 8-10 times - mostly with a friend or two - in the two and a half years since I relocated to another country. And I still have to be in a very rare and special mood these days to enjoy it.
I'll take conversation options in quieter locations almost any time these days. Hell, even in Bangkok last year where I was 100% certain I would be having sex on any given day or night if I wanted to, three short club visits in six weeks (excluding more common bars for beer and a meal) was all I could work up enough enthusiasm for.
I'm not saying that I couldn't have had a better time if I'd had good local connections and gone to an upscale club (a Thai girlfriend in Chiang Mai took me to a cool restaurant/club with mostly locals, that was pretty fun), but those are not the circumstances for me so I instead gravitate to what I like in my situation. For me it was much more enjoyable to meet girls during the day, or outside on the busy downtown streets in the evenings and early nights.

Post: #46

10 years ago online dating was the quarter of the maimed, divorced and the outcasts. Now it is probably the most common way for people to meet, especially in western countries.

The fact that maybe 80% of single and looking people are dabbling if not exclusively using online dating for their search would indicate a similar percentage not using clubs for that same reason. People are still going out but on tinder dates and shit like that. This changes the dynamics significantly.

I honestly think online dating is here to stay as a mainstream and perhaps most prominent form meeting new people, however the fad is bound to die down and its usage will taper and club game will probably bounce back a bit

Post: #47

(09-11-2015 06:34 AM)esermon Wrote:  Club game is all about looks. I am rubbish at daygame, streetgame, social circle game, i literally have no game but i am very good looking and i get tons of pussy in clubs. I mean if you have game you can get results as well, but if you are really hot you need absolutely no game to pull like crazy

This.

Post: #48

(09-13-2015 02:25 PM)jake1720 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 06:34 AM)esermon Wrote:  Club game is all about looks. I am rubbish at daygame, streetgame, social circle game, i literally have no game but i am very good looking and i get tons of pussy in clubs. I mean if you have game you can get results as well, but if you are really hot you need absolutely no game to pull like crazy

This.

Nah, Club game is still way less looks dependent than Online game.

Post: #49

(09-13-2015 04:56 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 02:25 PM)jake1720 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 06:34 AM)esermon Wrote:  Club game is all about looks. I am rubbish at daygame, streetgame, social circle game, i literally have no game but i am very good looking and i get tons of pussy in clubs. I mean if you have game you can get results as well, but if you are really hot you need absolutely no game to pull like crazy

This.

Nah, Club game is still way less looks dependent than Online game.

Being 6' 2" (or taller) and good looking. == Easymode. You still need some semblance of game however.

Though I have been hanging out at better lounges recently. Higher quality girls, But you need better game. Interesting tradeoff.

Post: #50

(09-12-2015 02:27 PM)MikeS Wrote:  [snip]

Thats an entirely fair post/point actually - I wasn't thinking of the 35+ age guys at all. It's interesting to see a point of view from a different age group.

I stand by the "go workout, then you'll find clubs easy" gist of my post for anyone under 30, though.