Post: #26

No point arguing with a rabid dog. Interactions with feminists ought to be limited to mocking them and or spitting in their eye.

And yeah, they'll always fall back on the "but how can you be opposed to equality?" argument.

Post: #27

I suppose you can call it dorky, but I like knowing statistics about things, so for me it wouldn't be looking up information just to argue with feminists, it would just be me seeking out information for my own benefit. That I can make feminists rage is an added benefit.

Post: #28

(01-17-2015 09:26 PM)booker.t Wrote:  I would like to see a nice, clean simple guide with citations on how to argue against, and defeat, feminists. Not the feminists who ramble on about nonsense (although the vast majority of them do), but those who appear to possess some sort of actual argument. Some sort of "Handbook to Dismantling Feminism" or ""Guide to Arguing with Feminists and Winning."

I think this would be great for all of us to have on our computers, laptops, and phones. Not only so we could quickly dismiss feminist arguments, but pass it on to our male friends as well, so they too could see the failure of feminists to present any sort of rational argument.

Think of videos like:
Alain Soral on Feminism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do5zrdTb-yI
That Guy T on Feminism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSyrFey9Dbk

Both videos deal with feminist arguments and use logic to explain how they fail.

If no such thing exists, I will be working on this in the near future.

How to deal with a bitch

Post: #29

Here's a telling Twitter exchange, courtesy of Vox Day's blog Alpha Game Plan. This is often what happens when you try to debate with feminists:

Post: #30

This guy is always knocking down feminist "arguments" in a rather entertaining way:

https://www.youtube.com/user/SparkyFister/videos

Post: #31

While it's not a debate guide, Jack Donovan's No Man's Land effectively deconstructs feminist's arguments for repurposing traditional masculinity into one where men's only purpose is to serve women's interests.

He effectively shows how feminists try to portray traditional masculinity not only as toxic, but also as a constraining set of rules no man could ever realistically live up to. Buy setting up this false notion, they can portray themselves as liberators of men, who in fact care so much about men that they want to offer them a more "liberated" definition of manhood, that "frees" men from having to be stoic, strong, etc.

It also, coincidentally, happens to make working on behalf of the Feminine Imperative it's new litmus test for manhood.

Anyway, the whole book is a good read. It gets a lot less attention than his Way Of Men book. But I think it actually serves as a good groundwork for tearing apart the basis of a lot feminists' arguments that they're trying to help men (by turning them into emasculated pussies who kowtow to women).

Post: #32

My favourite is to simply quote the "biology trumps ideology" statement, whilst working a little amused mastery.

Nothing logical is going to work, what with them being feminists 'n all.

Post: #33

Just had an experience of arguing with a feminist.

Background:
Yesterday, vacation my my 2 daughters. Had a few minutes to kill, so I engage a man and a women who have also kids.
Told the women that she probably does not appriciate her man.
She actually agreed.

We had a chat about male-female. She claimed that she was an "Advance Women" (Read: Independent). She told her husband to do stuff. Yes, very independent.
I showed her that the western life style is in decline. She agreed . So I asked: "how is it advanced, if your children or grand children cannot live like you do?"
The answer: "I'm advanced because it makes me happy".



She kept saying that men did not evolve. When trying to understand what it means, she kept refering to herself as advanced, and that she does not need a man.
I told her I don't need a women in my life, and I do just fine as a divorce person. She was not sold, so I told her I also spin plates. That meant "I was not advanced" as it is a sign of Patriarchy.

Even when show that her way of life is not sustainable, and will damage her offsprings she was not shaken.
Talk about a monster size hamster

Post: #34

Have kids and raise a lovely traditional family.

Post: #35

(08-14-2015 12:07 PM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  Just had an experience of arguing with a feminist.

Background:
Yesterday, vacation my my 2 daughters. Had a few minutes to kill, so I engage a man and a women who have also kids.
Told the women that she probably does not appriciate her man.
She actually agreed.

We had a chat about male-female. She claimed that she was an "Advance Women" (Read: Independent). She told her husband to do stuff. Yes, very independent.
I showed her that the western life style is in decline. She agreed . So I asked: "how is it advanced, if your children or grand children cannot live like you do?"
The answer: "I'm advanced because it makes me happy".



She kept saying that men did not evolve. When trying to understand what it means, she kept refering to herself as advanced, and that she does not need a man.
I told her I don't need a women in my life, and I do just fine as a divorce person. She was not sold, so I told her I also spin plates. That meant "I was not advanced" as it is a sign of Patriarchy.

Even when show that her way of life is not sustainable, and will damage her offsprings she was not shaken.
Talk about a monster size hamster

"She kept saying that men did not evolve."

This is a cliche women's magazines. Instead of arguing against it, it's better to explain that it's projection. It's women who didn't evolve.

Who are women breeding with? Not Silicon Valley geniuses who can't get dates. Those are, after all, the brilliant men who have definitely evolved and dragged the whole human race forward.

No, women are breeding a lot of the time with tattooed thugs who can't raise their own kids. As such, women are bringing lesser and lesser evolved people into the world. It's women who decide who gets born, right? They have abortion, the morning after pill, etc.

As such, women are the ones who didn't evolve and are making the country a fatherless, low IQ trailer park. You breed with morons you get morons.

How is that for a counter-argument?

Post: #36

(08-14-2015 12:17 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  This is a cliche women's magazines. Instead of arguing against it, it's better to explain that it's projection. It's women who didn't evolve.

Who are women breeding with? Not Silicon Valley geniuses who can't get dates. Those are, after all, the brilliant men who have definitely evolved and dragged the whole human race forward.

No, women are breeding a lot of the time with tattooed thugs who can't raise their own kids. As such, women are bringing lesser and lesser evolved people into the world. It's women who decide who gets born, right? They have abortion, the morning after pill, etc.

As such, women are the ones who didn't evolve and are making the country a fatherless, low IQ trailer park. You breed with morons you get morons.

How is that for a counter-argument?

I know
I told her that she can look around, and nothing she sees was invented or developed by females. That shook something, but she regain her frame.
As per that thought, the thread was cut when she said "I don't know anyone like that" and would not continue on it (Hamster, as I said before).

Post: #37

You know that moment when you're arguing with someone and you realize "holy shit, this person is batshit crazy"? That's my take on arguing with a feminist.

It's like arguing with a blind person about the colors in a box of crayons. It really doesn't matter how well thought out, logical, or eloquent your arguments are, they won't see it. The day I meet a feminist that says "You know, I totally understand what your saying but because of my beliefs and upbringing, I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree" is the day my brain implodes on itself. Is that impossible to say? I say that all the time, just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean I can't see where they're coming from. If the person your arguing with can't, do yourself a favor and walk away.

Post: #38

I would say you should thank them for freeing men from the burden of having to father and raise a family. For men's only desire is to spread their seed, and the patriarchy used to force men settle down and get married and have stress in return for getting sex. Today, thanks to feminist, men can have all the sex they want and never get married. Sure this might be worse for women, but it would not be possible without feminists.

Post: #39

I'll tell you what I do - while I would never actually argue with them, I certainly know how to beat them. I have my own small business and the service I provide (without giving it away) is something all of us are required to do but most women are simply unwilling and unable to do themselves. I'd say a good 60% of my clients are female, and a healthy 10-15% of them would consider themselves staunch feminists based on the things they say to me and what their social media accounts convey.

So guess what? I often charge these feminists more than I do my other clients (males and non-feminist females) because they are too stupid to know the difference and would never be able to figure it out anyway due to the subjectivity of my fees. That gross single mother who man-bashes at every opportunity on Facebook? 10% premium. The filthy, disgusting self-boasting "proud feminist artist" hippie who can barely put two dimes together yet desperately needs a professional to take care of what's required from her? I hiked hers up 15% this year. That "Women's Studies" college student who tweets rape culture articles every other day from Jezebel? Let's tack on an extra 20% for her.

Payment is always required before I complete my work for them, of course. If I get too expensive for them, no big loss

Post: #40

That would be like a Vulcan using logic on some Klingon she-bitch who fucked everything with two legs on the way up to bridge.

I wouldn't bother. If she doesn't blow you then just blow her off.

Post: #41

No. This is the thing...

Feminism has become a "religion" to the SJWs. It's beyond criticism. It's a universal truth. If you aren't on board hook, line, and sinker, then you're a heretic and should be punished by the law. That is what the SJWs believe.

Frankly, that's what scares the shit out of me. We've turned political ideologies into ideas beyond question and criticism.

Post: #42

OP do you also want to argue with kids, drunks and/or crazy people?

Post: #43

Feminists are little children. They don't listen to adults like us and think they know everything.

Remember when we were a child and our parents made a point. What did we do, we kicked and screamed just like Feminists do today!

Post: #44

There is a way, and that's, you have to be completely sarcastic. Take this for example:

Feminist: Do you believe that no means no?
Dude: Yes, of course! ...... But that's not enough. [with a self assured voice] To protect women against sexual harassment we must reach the understanding that even yes means no. [Looking into her eyes with an expectation of confirmation]

Just watch for the stuff that's gonna be thrown at you. There was an article on ROK about using the "double blue pill" which had a similar idea.

Post: #45

Say for some reason you find a chick that is of good family upbringing, somewhat conservative in how she was raised, low notch count, under 25, and pretty, and for some reason she likes you and you like her, but shes a feminazi. what do you do? Plow. Get her pregnant and keep her pregnant. Make her stay at home and raise the kids, homeschool and whatnot. If shes ugly, why bother... No need to argue with leftists, they are destroying themselves by not making enough offspring. They would all be gone in a generation if enough conservative/liberty minded people had enough children and kept the leftys away from the children.

Post: #46

(01-18-2015 12:29 AM)iamdegaussed Wrote:  I think dissuading the OP is probably right, but there can be benefits to making a feminist look like a fool, especially if you're doing it online. If you get into an argument with one on social media and you have statistics to back you up (1 in 5 is a lie, wage gap is a myth) you can embarrass the feminist. And while you may never win her over as she cries about misogyny, you may win over neutrals that you didn't even know were reading. I've been thanked over private message several times by people who felt how I did but were never given statistics to back up their thoughts.

So yeah, it can often be fruitless, but there's ways to do it. I like to use stats + ridicule. Stats + ridicule = feminist rage. I think Matt Forney called it hi-jacking their amygdala. Once you do that, they will embarrass themselves.

...you may win over neutrals...

Great post. I agree with the general sentiment that a feminists will never ever concede to an argument....ever. However, on places like Twitter, it's not about convincing them that you're "right", it's about convincing the people that are watching and listening. Also, I've had conservative-republicans regurgitate feminist's propaganda as fact simply because they didn't know any better. There are neutrals - moderates - and fellow anti-feminists that really just need to be educated with the right facts and tools, for one - to get there head in the right place, but also so they can point out faulty propaganda, and pass along the correct information themselves.

Post: #47

(01-18-2015 12:02 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Here's a telling Twitter exchange, courtesy of Vox Day's blog Alpha Game Plan. This is often what happens when you try to debate with feminists:

Well, I would call this a "win".

Post: #48

Upset them, archive their response. Post to youtube. Get anti-feminist e-cred.

Post: #49

Post: #50

Feminists be like...



How could you possibly even feel the slightest bit of desire to argue with somebody like that?