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Hopefully not posting a duplicate. Just saw that on Gavin McInnes' twitter

Student Wrongfully Expelled for Rape Triumphs in Court: Due Process Beats 'Yes Means Yes'

A judge overturned the expulsion of Corey Mock—a University of Tennessee at Chattanooga student and star wrestler—after determining that UT’s administration had improperly required Mock to prove that he was innocent of sexually assaulting another student.

The decision is a significant blow to the concept of affirmative consent. According to Judge Carol McCoy, UT’s consent standard wrongfully shifted the burden of proof and violated Mock’s due process rights.

Wait, did due process just win over yes mean yes? This is going to hurt some fiifiis.

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So many reasons to find this interesting.

So a student's constitutional rights say one thing: that he is entitled to due process before an agent of the state can shut down his academic career (I happen to agree with this wholeheartedly by the way), and the Obama Administration says another: that Title IX funding is linked to shuttering due process.

What's a state school to do?

In the end, they will always choose money over individual rights. They are not going to give up their access to big daddy government's wallet. They can;t afford to. The schools will reason that not every individual (read: male student) who gets rail-roaded by the reverse onus will have the time, resources and ability to sue. Sadly, that supposition would likely be correct.

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It might be a little bit easier for other students now that there is legal precedent.

SJWs typically push someone into a lawsuit (like that gay couple suing a baker for not wanting to provide for their wedding) so that they have a legal precedent to launch a Blitzkrieg from. The case above may work to make new cases easier and cheaper.

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(08-13-2015 11:44 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  So many reasons to find this interesting.

So a student's constitutional rights say one thing: that he is entitled to due process before an agent of the state can shut down his academic career (I happen to agree with this wholeheartedly by the way), and the Obama Administration says another: that Title IX funding is linked to shuttering due process.

What's a state school to do?

In the end, they will always choose money over individual rights. They are not going to give up their access to big daddy government's wallet. They can;t afford to. The schools will reason that not every individual (read: male student) who gets rail-roaded by the reverse onus will have the time, resources and ability to sue. Sadly, that supposition would likely be correct.

Well, it's going to cost the state a lot more money if they have to payout millions to every student they deny due process towards.

Fact is, most lawyers will work for free on these cases with the proviso of taking 30% of the winnings or something like that. Schools have the deepest pockets of them all.

I already see the lawyers smelling blood in the water after this case.

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The hardest hit victims of the yes means yes policy are not simply men but specifically men who can't afford to lawyer up with daddy paying all the bills. How many college kids have been kicked out unfairly due to this policy and not been able to challenge it before Corey Mock came around and took it to court? I can name 1 close friend from my own experience. Fucking disgusting and even though you'll find all kinds of college-aged men fall victim to these policies, it more drastically affects those who can't battle in court due to a lack of funds.

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The frightening thing is, Houellebecq's book comes true every day.

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It's nice to see to see some justice for the manosphere. I'm tired of these females feeling they need to call somebody out for rape because they threw pussy at somebody and/or had a few too many. Meanwhile the betas who get their hearts broken and/or friend zoned aren't entitled to anything.

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(08-13-2015 12:26 PM)SexualHarrasmentPanda Wrote:  The hardest hit victims of the yes means yes policy are not simply men but specifically men who can't afford to lawyer up with daddy paying all the bills. How many college kids have been kicked out unfairly due to this policy and not been able to challenge it before Corey Mock came around and took it to court? I can name 1 close friend from my own experience. Fucking disgusting and even though you'll find all kinds of college-aged men fall victim to these policies, it more drastically affects those who can't battle in court due to a lack of funds.

From his dads' blog:

Quote:A judge advocate from UTC held a hearing involving all parties; we had to hire an attorney, his accuser was represented by a UTC attorney at no cost to her. The Judge Advocate found my son “not responsible”. Two weeks later, with no additional evidence or fact findings, the Judge Advocate reversed her decision. This was the moment when we realized that regardless of the facts, regardless of a fair hearing, UTC was clearly motivated to find my son guilty. It felt like we were in Russia or China.

A State Appeals Court Judge recently overturned that decision a year later and my son is now a student “in good standing”. In the meantime, my family has spent over $40,000 on attorney fees, my son has lost his last year of competing in the sport he has worked his entire life for, my son’s reputation has been eternally impaired, and his dream of being a college coach as a career is gone. People are saying we “won”, somehow it doesn’t feel that way.

His accuser on the other hand has had to pay no attorney fees (UTC provided all her legal arguments and lawyers), she had enjoyed the sympathy of being a “victim” for a year in the public domain, and she walks away from this with little if any accountability. She could turn around tomorrow and do the same thing to another young man in college and have no accountability for it again.

The mere accusation is easily enough to damage one's life, no matter what happens afterwards, and even with rulings like this that won't change.

Also, this is another loss for Anna Merlan, who if you remember, tried to shit on Richard Bradley for saying that the UVA case was a hoax. She then had to backtrack. Here, she wrote a chest thumping piece at Jezebel earlier this year criticizing Mock's father for starting a blog to defend his son.

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Positive first step, but a "triumph" would be if UT had to pay a huge settlement and all of the responsible personnel were fired without pensions. Not sure what to do about the girl in question, but there's no way her claims should have been taken this far with no evidence.

All rape claims should be a police matter, the university should only take action once the criminal trial has determined guilt.

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This is key. From article above:

"UTC hadn’t adopted a “yes means yes” policy, but Angle inferred it through various provisions in the school’s code, and in other writings."


The "victim" not only had to fabricate the rape, she actually had to fabricate the policy.

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Here is another recent case in California where the judge ruled that UC San Diego failed to provide a fair process for the accused. In addition to the lack of due process, the college also added sanctions in order to punish the student for exercising his right to appeal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morni...isconduct/

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(08-13-2015 01:14 PM)Dismal Operator Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 12:26 PM)SexualHarrasmentPanda Wrote:  The hardest hit victims of the yes means yes policy are not simply men but specifically men who can't afford to lawyer up with daddy paying all the bills. How many college kids have been kicked out unfairly due to this policy and not been able to challenge it before Corey Mock came around and took it to court? I can name 1 close friend from my own experience. Fucking disgusting and even though you'll find all kinds of college-aged men fall victim to these policies, it more drastically affects those who can't battle in court due to a lack of funds.

From his dads' blog:

Quote:A judge advocate from UTC held a hearing involving all parties; we had to hire an attorney, his accuser was represented by a UTC attorney at no cost to her. The Judge Advocate found my son “not responsible”. Two weeks later, with no additional evidence or fact findings, the Judge Advocate reversed her decision. This was the moment when we realized that regardless of the facts, regardless of a fair hearing, UTC was clearly motivated to find my son guilty. It felt like we were in Russia or China.

A State Appeals Court Judge recently overturned that decision a year later and my son is now a student “in good standing”. In the meantime, my family has spent over $40,000 on attorney fees, my son has lost his last year of competing in the sport he has worked his entire life for, my son’s reputation has been eternally impaired, and his dream of being a college coach as a career is gone. People are saying we “won”, somehow it doesn’t feel that way.

His accuser on the other hand has had to pay no attorney fees (UTC provided all her legal arguments and lawyers), she had enjoyed the sympathy of being a “victim” for a year in the public domain, and she walks away from this with little if any accountability. She could turn around tomorrow and do the same thing to another young man in college and have no accountability for it again.

The mere accusation is easily enough to damage one's life, no matter what happens afterwards, and even with rulings like this that won't change.

Also, this is another loss for Anna Merlan, who if you remember, tried to shit on Richard Bradley for saying that the UVA case was a hoax. She then had to backtrack. Here, she wrote a chest thumping piece at Jezebel earlier this year criticizing Mock's father for starting a blog to defend his son.

This is a tragic story. There but for the grace of God go I.

Where is the outcry? Where are the people fighting against this injustice?

It seems as though the College people just wash their hands of it. They are just as much a part of the problem as that disgraceful false rape accuser.

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When will one of the accusers get expelled instead?

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That sucks and that is why plus ridiculous student loan rates is why I never studied at college and went there on weekends to party instead lol. I was 30 minutes drive from University California Santa Barbara (UCSB). Fuck college you'll learn more reading at a public library and with an obsessive amount of motivation.

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(08-13-2015 02:28 PM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  When will one of the accusers get expelled instead?

It's nearly impossible to prove the girl was lying as long as she sticks to her story. I'd be fine with just not indulging her if the police say there isn't enough evidence. Certainly not allow her to carry a mattress around campus as a protest...er, "art piece".

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(08-13-2015 02:28 PM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  When will one of the accusers get expelled instead?

When the pattern of falsely accusing one person leads to institutions losing multi-million dollar payouts to the men who were subjected to their kangaroo courts.

And hopefully criminal proceedings against the accuser and said kangaroo court.

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Tennessee fuck yea.

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Were I caught in a similar situation, I'd promise the Lawyer 50 percent or more of winnings, all the more to see the school bleeeeed.

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(08-13-2015 12:08 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Well, it's going to cost the state a lot more money if they have to payout millions to every student they deny due process towards.

Fact is, most lawyers will work for free on these cases with the proviso of taking 30% of the winnings or something like that. Schools have the deepest pockets of them all.

I already see the lawyers smelling blood in the water after this case.

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I don't recall seeing this posted here;

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015...sed-sexual

Congressional Republicans on Wednesday introduced legislation designed to strengthen the due process rights of students accused of sexual assault and to prevent campus investigations from taking place unless a victim also reports the allegations to law enforcement. The bill would make it tougher to kick a fraternity or sorority off campus without a proper hearing, and bar colleges from forcing Greek organizations to become coeducational.

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That's what I'm talking about dawg!!!!