Post: #651

I can still compete because with a comparable body, I've at least covered that attribute. With game awareness, I'm aware of conscious tweaks needed to be made. It's a bit like having an all round game as opposed to a specialist game. Aren't those goons the same type of cats that tend to pull a certain type of lizard? The stockbroker cats in NYC will have more money but then will tend to attract the gold digger type, right? Taking it back to working out, by not working out and being around those guys, you don't even give yourself a fighting chance. If you go out ready, you've done the best you can.

Post: #652

I want to caution guys to not allow what they see in nightclubs to be the foundation for their view of the world or on a lesser level, their immediate environment.

It is imperative that one understands and accepts that nightclubs are arenas for attractive and other higher-value individuals.

Men who go to nightclubs tend to be taller and more physically attractive because they know that's what women are looking for out of their experience since it is given that they don't go to nightclubs to meet "Average Joes".

The only places I regularly see tall and/or well-built men are nightclubs and gyms; that is not a coincidence.

Neither men nor women go to nightclubs looking for relationships, the nightclub experience is all about having fun in a particular moment, ideally, that fun in that moment leads to some no strings attached sex either on that night or on a night shortly afterwards.

Women have their arenas were they can meet average guys who would be potential candidates for relationships, and that arena is not one where they make a concerted effort to look their absolute best and assembly a team of bitches to hit the streets on Friday and Saturday nights.

Post: #653

(08-04-2015 10:39 AM)jariel Wrote:  I want to caution guys to not allow what they see in nightclubs to be the foundation for their view of the world or on a lesser level, their immediate environment.

It is imperative that one understands and accepts that nightclubs are arenas for attractive and other higher-value individuals.

Men who go to nightclubs tend to be taller and more physically attractive because they know that's what women are looking for out of their experience since it is given that they don't go to nightclubs to meet "Average Joes".

The only places I regularly see tall and/or well-built men are nightclubs and gyms; that is not a coincidence.

Neither men nor women go to nightclubs looking for relationships, the nightclub experience is all about having fun in a particular moment, ideally, that fun in that moment leads to some no strings attached sex either on that night or on a night shortly afterwards.

Women have their arenas were they can meet average guys who would be potential candidates for relationships, and that arena is not one where they make a concerted effort to look their absolute best and assembly a team of bitches to hit the streets on Friday and Saturday nights.

Exactly. Less attractive guys self-select themselves out. And given that a lot of guys work out to be more attractive to girls, it's not a surprise that they end up in night clubs.

Post: #654

(08-01-2015 02:38 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 01:27 PM)ComebackKid Wrote:  

Do you think this guy is too big?
Do you think girls would find this physique attractive?

Is that you?

I would say he's not too big, albeit he's at the point where getting bigger would result in him being less attractive. And I think he would do very well with girls. If I didn't know who he is, I would think he is american football / rugby player.

I posted this an example to people here who are worried about getting too big. There is no way you will end up too big without touching AAS, albeit you can certainly be too fat. If 3-time Mr. Olympia winner and steroid user is not too big, then it is laughable that you can be too big as a natty.

Post: #655

Interestingly, I had a frank conversation with a fitness model. I knew that they are on gear, but I was shocked to find out how many drugs and what dosages he uses. Basically "blasts" of 4-5 different compounds - test, tren, mast, superdrol, anavar , winstrol, etc. and then cruises with TRT dosages. This is on top of training 4-6 times a week and looking over diet. So the general public knows that pro bodybuilders are not natural, but they underestimate how much it takes to get shredded fitness model physique like this



For a record, the mentioned fitness model does very well with girls, has >1000 matches on tinder and girls open him on tinder / in real life based on physique. He's 5'7" with decent looking face.

Post: #656

(08-04-2015 02:21 AM)zatara Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 09:18 PM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  I'm 6"2, 180lbs about 7-8% bodyfat. I've been up to 210 at similar leanness back in the bodybuilding days. I don't even lift much anymore - mainly callisthenics.

I get approached way more often now than back then. It's night and day.

You're 7% bodyfat? Thats competition bodybuilding level. Like the other posters, I would have serious doubts of this. How are you measuring your bodyfat? Its rare to find anyone whos not a professional athlete with sub 10% bf for any duration of time - it requires completely controlling your diet AND exercising excessively.

The level of bro science in this thread...

Competitive bodybuilders are walking on stage at between 3-4% bodyfat (basically with just their vital fat stores). It's not sustainable - and nigh on impossible to achieve natty.

There's a world of difference between 4 and 8% bf. Obviously, you've never been there.

Quote:If you were 30lbs of muscle heavier "in your bodybuilding days" than now you would have noticed a night and day difference in attention from women. Between the above two points and your ignorance on Miami...

I've got no reason to spin a story here. I did well with women at 210lbs but I was the one approaching. Now - it's pretty often for me to get approached at night (which is nice). If I were to speculate, I'd say women found me too intimidating at that weight.

On your last point - you're French according to your profile. Yea, I'm sure you know more about Miami than a guy who spent 25 years there...

Post: #657

@Moma

I think you accidentally answered the question.

You have a *comparable* frame, but it's not at the same level as a typical club night full of goons. (At least where I've been)

So you're not willing to go that extra length, you've reached the point of diminishing returns. ?

Outside of the night game context, you're getting looks of interest and good reactions.

It doesn't sound like you want to get on all kinds of drugs, drastically change your diet and workout routines.

You're good enough, right?


WIA

Post: #658

WIA, The extra length or state achieved by those cats doesn't yield enough to compensate for any extra effort beyond what I am currently giving. As long as I'm in the range then the lizardly gains are down to my personal game rather than looks. My whole issue is that guys are talking about physical states when they haven't even turned the game on to select a character for combat. That's like me saying that dressing well is unimportant when I show up to the club only wearing some soiled and tattered boxer shorts.

Post: #659

(08-04-2015 11:53 AM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  The level of bro science in this thread...

Competitive bodybuilders are walking on stage at between 3-4% bodyfat (basically with just their vital fat stores). It's not sustainable - and nigh on impossible to achieve natty.

There's a world of difference between 4 and 8% bf. Obviously, you've never been there.

I've seen people win competitions @ 7%, 3% is not common. More to the point, I will completely stand over my disbelief that you're at 7% bodyfat at a maintenence level while living any sort of normal life. To quote one of your other posts from another thread directly:

"I look younger than my friends and have better bod...despite being a big drinker, eating a ton of junk food, and using recreational drugs on occasion. "

( /thread-49524-...pid1079974 )

Nobody is both a "big drinker" and eating "a ton of junk food" @ 7% bodyfat. So you're either lying in that thread or in this one. I note you didn't answer my question as to how you've been measured, or provide any pictures for proof as other posters requested...

Quote:I've got no reason to spin a story here. I did well with women at 210lbs but I was the one approaching. Now - it's pretty often for me to get approached at night (which is nice). If I were to speculate, I'd say women found me too intimidating at that weight.

On your last point - you're French according to your profile. Yea, I'm sure you know more about Miami than a guy who spent 25 years there...tard

I made no claims whatsoever about Miami in my post - I've only ever been for brief visits, so I don't feel I have the knowledge to mouth off about it. Your claims however go completely against what the other Miami based respected posters in this thread say, and what countless posts elsewhere on the forum reiterate. This combined with your questionable bodyfat claims is what would make me dubious about your posting veracity.

Post: #660

Post: #661

WIA - I am not threatened by them because quite frankly their style sucks, I am taking into consideration that they are at a hip hop club. Their garments don't look "fresh" to me. They also look a bit old to be dressing like that, but again I don't want to be too hard on them as I understand that is the "look"
For me, I am a chameleon. I can go to a salsa club, a EDM club, a cocktail lounge, a black tie event (wearing my own tux) and feel comfortable.
I can also drop a few words in many languages.
I am more worldly and my style I think reflects that.
I can also converse with different people from different backgrounds, on different topics.
Again I don't want to stereotype those guys in the pic, they do look a bit cliché.
I have said a good body adds to the arsenal, but you must know how to dress it up.

Post: #662

I hit the free weights during lunch today. Do you bros even lift?

Post: #663

(08-04-2015 02:57 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  I hit the free weights during lunch today. Do you bros even lift?

I hit the weights whilst eating lunch today.

Amateur.

Post: #664

(08-04-2015 01:01 PM)zatara Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 11:53 AM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  The level of bro science in this thread...

Competitive bodybuilders are walking on stage at between 3-4% bodyfat (basically with just their vital fat stores). It's not sustainable - and nigh on impossible to achieve natty.

There's a world of difference between 4 and 8% bf. Obviously, you've never been there.

I've seen people win competitions @ 7%, 3% is not common.

You're just way off base here. Maybe some sort of natty "Men's Physique" contest would have guys in the 7% range.

But in any mainstream BB contest - every guy on stage will be <4%.

Quote:More to the point, I will completely stand over my disbelief that you're at 7% bodyfat at a maintenence level while living any sort of normal life. To quote one of your other posts from another thread directly:

"I look younger than my friends and have better bod...despite being a big drinker, eating a ton of junk food, and using recreational drugs on occasion. "

( /thread-49524-...pid1079974 )

Nobody is both a "big drinker" and eating "a ton of junk food" @ 7% bodyfat. So you're either lying in that thread or in this one. I note you didn't answer my question as to how you've been measured, or provide any pictures for proof as other posters requested...

Everybody's got different genetics, bud.

I'm a natural ecto - never been over 10% in my life. Plus, I bust ass in my workout 5-6 times a week. Don't be jelly.

As for pics, I don't generally post effeminate selfies at the request of strange men on the internet.
Is that a French thing?

Quote:I made no claims whatsoever about Miami in my post - I've only ever been for brief visits, so I don't feel I have the knowledge to mouth off about it. Your claims however go completely against what the other Miami based respected posters in this thread say, and what countless posts elsewhere on the forum reiterate. This combined with your questionable bodyfat claims is what would make me dubious about your posting veracity.

I never said muscles hurt you in Miami. I'm better built than 98% of the male populace. But I'm not a juice monkey either.

My point was - even in miami - women prefer a guy who looks lean/built as opposed to a guy who's so big he waddles around with his roid gut sticking out.

That's Miami, which as other guys mentioned, is probably the fitness capital of the world.

Elsewhere in the world, women don't go for that look AT ALL.

You can definitely be too big. It's not a concern for most natty guys. But I've had a lot of friends who went crazy with AAS and the results weren't pretty.

Post: #665

Chick, we were using Frank Zane as an example of what lizards like and he doesn't have a roid gut. It 'twas I that asked for thou body pics avec ton visage and willie blurred out of course ( sans homo)

Post: #666

Zatara - don't sweat it, dude is trolling.

Post: #667

(08-04-2015 05:47 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Zatara - don't sweat it, dude is trolling.

Says the man who claimed 155lb Brad Pitt was juicing - and linked to a roid site to back his claim?

Post: #668

(08-04-2015 04:45 PM)Moma Wrote:  Chick, we were using Frank Zane as an example of what lizards like and he doesn't have a roid gut. It 'twas I that asked for thou body pics avec ton visage and willie blurred out of course ( sans homo)

Well, we can all fill this thread up with shirtless selfies to your hearts content. It's just not my style.

But I'll do you one better. I'm actually in the midst of setting up a youtube channel for calisthenics stuff.

Will add the link to my sig in the next few days...

Post: #669

Hell, I want to know where these competitions are where guys are winning at 7% body fat. Because the guys at my gym who compete (mostly physique competitons) are all well below that. Seeing a picture of someone significantly below 7% body fat just doesn't do it justice. The muscles at that point are so well defined and the skin is so tight it seriously looks like the muscles are made of plastic. They usually walk around normally in the 7% range (even in the natural competitons their still on juice), and then cut to well below that.

Post: #670

No they don't Repo. People think they are 7% when they are really 10 or more typically. People are not very aware in regard to body fat levels. You are shredded with extreme vascularity at 7%. Thats the type of body fat level some of those guys who are most motivational members on bodybuilding.com are.

If you look like some of the most motivational members you may be http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/member-search

Post: #671

The last 3 pages:

Post: #672

(08-04-2015 05:47 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Zatara - don't sweat it, dude is trolling.

Ah, I think he seemed to care too much to be trolling. Looks like he was trying desperately to be an internet superstar - from his posts here, claiming to be making $82,000 a year working 25 hours a week elsewhere etc. Oh well, good to see hes banned anyway!

Post: #673

(08-04-2015 06:14 PM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 04:45 PM)Moma Wrote:  Chick, we were using Frank Zane as an example of what lizards like and he doesn't have a roid gut. It 'twas I that asked for thou body pics avec ton visage and willie blurred out of course ( sans homo)

Well, we can all fill this thread up with shirtless selfies to your hearts content. It's just not my style.

But I'll do you one better. I'm actually in the midst of setting up a youtube channel for calisthenics stuff.

Will add the link to my sig in the next few days...

Chick Magnet=SpecialEd

Post: #674

Sorry for the bump, but I've just realised recently that if you want chicks, being ripped is better than being 'jacked'. As in if you take the same guy, at 9% BF at 180lbs and 16% BF at say 205lbs, the 9%BF will do better almost always.

His face will be leaner and more defined, so he will be possibly 1 or 2 points higher /10 on facial attractiveness. 16% BF guy is unlikely to be showing lots of tone or vascularity, will just look 'big'.

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh, but I'd like to hear other's opinions on this.

Post: #675

Brit, are you ripped?